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India shot down six Pakistani military aircraft in May, indian air force chief says

Look, let’s be sensible here and not get emotional. Nation states act in both rational and irrational ways and Pakistan is of course no exception, where it has made stupid decisions. But it has also acted with calculated strategic aims such as the deep alliance it has formed with China. Cherry picking failures skews the picture and all states have failures. Look at the US with its foreign wars resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of civilians.

Nothing emotional there ... these are all well known facts. Only a crazy nation can even consider the option of hopping in bed with the worlds most wanted terrorist and that too by their own Ally !!

And regarding China .... you are practically a Colony for them. They will squeeze every ounce of your usability and hang you dry while selling you snake oil. This is a well known trait of China. You wont realize it now ... time will tell.
 
Nothing emotional there ... these are all well known facts. Only a crazy nation can even consider the option of hopping in bed with the worlds most wanted terrorist and that too by their own Ally !!

And regarding China .... you are practically a Colony for them. They will squeeze every ounce of your usability and hang you dry while selling you snake oil. This is a well known trait of China. You wont realize it now ... time will tell.
And what do you call a nation that trained the LTTE terrorists and then those terrorists ended up killing more than thousand of their soldiers?
 
Which is why specifics are important .. was it a runway, was it a Hangar, was it a building, was it a C2/C4, etc etc. So unless you have evidence to show the extent of the damage this is a pointless discussion. Because like I said time is the most important resource in combat situation, therefore if the damage is not extensive then it means nothing. And so far there is absolutely no evidence that suggests severe damage like what the Indian missiles did to numerous Pak air bases.




there is no trust-me-bro involved here as the Hangars are meant to house fighter jets and most importantly they are staffed with specialized personnel and equipment that is hard to replace at short notice ( even if we assume that all the jets were out doing sorties which is highly improbable in a Hangar of that size which can hold atleast 12 jets.




Again you overlook the fact that your Air defense was severely degraded ... without that your jets are blinded ... the evidence is in the fact that IAF could fire 19 Brahmos and other missiles and drones ... most of it was not intercepted.




these cannot be considered as a like-for-like substitute for a Hangar as they are at best temporary stop gap measures. At a highway FARP, only very basic servicing is possible ... like refuelling, loading munitions, topping off fluids, changing simple components. No heavy repairs, avionics swaps, or structural fixes and if a jet takes even moderate damage, it can’t be made combat-ready at the FARP. Therefore your abilities are severely downgraded and whatever functionality is available is not sustainable for long.

They have actually given specifics on area they have targeted. This includes the airbases and locations above which is even confirmed by your own wing commander. The only thing I will agree as a shortcoming on the Pakistan side is to provide satellite images to dispel all the confusion going on. But my point is different than what you are interpreting from words. My point is to show that India's bases isn't exactly fool proof in its defence and it can be targeted too. Then again, India's chain of command is so messed up, you guys couldn't even agree to accept fallen aircrafts. Your IAF chief moweven boldly claiming to shoot down 6 PAF aircrafts after waking up from his slumber. My conclusion is that accepting damages on your base is equivalent to political suicide for Modi. It's the only way Indians can prove that they have succeeded to teach Pakistan a lesson is through your Brahmos attacks, which at most tactically disrupt Pakistan's operations. The planes that shot down including Rafale created a strategic psychological impact that it is not the best in Asia, as what the Indian masses would like to believe.


The point where of showing you in my previous post is to show you that aircraft operations can still carry on even if an airbases is temporarily out of action. You cannot completely destroy an airbase. You are assuming that bases will be taken out and be completely out of action for the duration of the war. That's untrue, and I will go further to say that airbases are designed for such events and even to withstand nuclear impacts. Again you come to assumption of " Pakistan will definitely keep their aircrafts in hangars" hence F-16s destroyed. I am using your own words on you and calling your source out as "trust-me-bro". No pictorial evidence of damage aircrafts, no talk.

Please spare the comment on severely degraded. Drones were still knocked out of the sky and Brahmos missiles were also disabled by soft-kills. No air defence is perfect and this includes India. Even Israel with such a highly dense air defence network combined with USA and European defences could not fully stop ballistic missile strikes yet their planes were still operational and launching strikes on Iran. Remove the Indian lenses. I understand Brahmos being an Indian pride here, but Pakistan also have the CM -400 AKG that can be used. It's not a magic bullet here.

Look at Ukraine. Their airbases have been bombed from hell to back. And they are still operating aircrafts and even F-16s recently. Do you really think a handful of Brahmos and drones is going to destroy airbases? The least I can accept is them being temporarily down at most with their fighter aircrafts and logistics being transferred around. That's the purpose of mobile logistics. And if that is not enough, Pakistan has around 40 airbases to rotate it's aircrafts around with long network of highways in the worst case scenario. Skip the word severely degraded here, it may work on the Indian masses, but not to neutrals let alone Pakistanis here.
 
Have a look at the Rafale engine on the field and let me know your thoughts on it.

Do you really want me to believe a no name Pakistani YouTube channel ? Has this been carried in any media . Surely this YouTuber has infinitely less resources than global media networks or your country or Chinas military.
 
Have a look at the Rafale engine on the field and let me know your thoughts on it.

You yourself had doubts over s400 and didn't share. I respect that even though I misread your comments initially.

This guy is a Paksitani YouTube.r
He has four videos of crashes.
These videos are not carried by any respected media house. You might wonder why.

Now just for the video that you shared. You have a engine..notice there is nothing burnt or not even a screw nearby..I could only see one or two person standing their nonchantly.. there is also background music playing as the video is taken..fine let's say thats celebration music. Please Google and compare actual crash site images with the clean presentation...



I don't have the patience to do a reverse image search.
 
So now you are going to openly pretend that he did not use the N word ?



So who initiated three wars for Kashmir and the numerous terror attacks if it is just symbolic ? Both sides cannot afford a full blown war especially when we hold the most strategically important part of Kashmir. Nothing much to gain other than a lot of headaches in going for PoK.

Speaking of Plebiscite whats stopping Pakistan from confirming to the UN agreeement and vacating PoK as first step ?

No Im going to Pretend that you did call out our Nuclear Bluff .. Now Skip the Good Boy act in the region , And take action.. we all know that you would like to break Pakistan into 4 Pieces and Liberate Baluchistan and Get Rid of Pakistan Problem Permanently so what could be more opportune time to do that? Do not pretend that its a hassle , Not worth the effort..its been your long term strategic objective..you had the Opportunity
in 1971 to Intervene in Pak’s Civil war and you did because there was no nuclear umbrella , You ended up creating another Muslim country on your Bengal Border which is also hostile now.. and now its time to take your land back that you have made part of Indian Federation after revoking article 370.. plebiscite is Pak’s Demand , Lets Reject that.. now what you are going to do about an occupied Indian Land by Pak? You have called out bluff by throwing brahmos at our bases right? you did make an effort to do that by endangering millions of life by taking risk of plunging them into Nuclear war .. so now you are going to pretend its not worth the effort? that sounds like self defeating endeavor if it ends at That,, Yes Pakistan did start war with bigger country in Past even with Nuclear umbrella , Question is when are you going to do that? you have removed nuclear umbrella and you have Justification as well.. POK
 
Strategic weapons in agni..Brahmos is a cruise missiles..which is used in opening salvo by many militaries like USA ..tomahawk..Iran etc

Make up your Mind.. Indian Posters here believe that we should have responded Brahmos with Nuclear strikes ..they have more knowledge about our Nuclear doctrine on how we should manage escalation ladder .. So yes by logic of Indian Posters , Brahmos is strategic weapon.. so you cant have it both ways just to win argument
 
You yourself had doubts over s400 and didn't share. I respect that even though I misread your comments initially.

This guy is a Paksitani YouTube.r
He has four videos of crashes.
These videos are not carried by any respected media house. You might wonder why.

Now just for the video that you shared. You have a engine..notice there is nothing burnt or not even a screw nearby..I could only see one or two person standing their nonchantly.. there is also background music playing as the video is taken..fine let's say thats celebration music. Please Google and compare actual crash site images with the clean presentation...



I don't have the patience to do a reverse image search.
You misunderstand the whole point.

Look closely at the video and see the engine lying around. It is eerily similar to the M88 engine of the Rafale. This video was taken from villagers and has been floating around and reposted many times. I just scan through briefly and took one of it. The purpose of this video was to show you image of Rafale engine lying around randomly.

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If you are expecting neutral sources to report on losses, I can refer you to French intelligence and US news channels confirming the loss of IAF jets that day as well.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/31/...pmETK7ueD_Z2pHSnZ0_aem_Il83oAAxqmUzSTyTzHT92g


My purpose here is not to rub salt on your wounds. It's to remain open to different views. Finally the source above with your Indian military chief admitting to the losses should be the final take of it with the source coming from CNN.

If the source does not even convince you that you lost jets, nothing will.
 
You yourself had doubts over s400 and didn't share. I respect that even though I misread your comments initially.

This guy is a Paksitani YouTube.r
He has four videos of crashes.
These videos are not carried by any respected media house. You might wonder why.

Now just for the video that you shared. You have a engine..notice there is nothing burnt or not even a screw nearby..I could only see one or two person standing their nonchantly.. there is also background music playing as the video is taken..fine let's say thats celebration music. Please Google and compare actual crash site images with the clean presentation...



I don't have the patience to do a reverse image search.
Please refer to this for the source with admission from your military chief.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/31/asia/india-pakistan-kashmir-conflict-jets-intl
 
Do you really want me to believe a no name Pakistani YouTube channel ? Has this been carried in any media . Surely this YouTuber has infinitely less resources than global media networks or your country or Chinas military.

https://vocal.media/theSwamp/bbc-ve...the-story-of-the-bathinda-you-tuber-l77690fsb


Final one. Read this from BBC Verify. As neutral as it can get. If anything, they have already verified videos of Rafale downing.

"BBC Verify confirmed the authenticity of three videos claimed to show the wreckage of a French- made Rafale fighter jet, used by the Indian Air Force."

Once again , these are the best that I can show you. But if you really chose to believe otherwise, then I cannot assist you further.
 
You misunderstand the whole point.

Look closely at the video and see the engine lying around. It is eerily similar to the M88 engine of the Rafale. This video was taken from villagers and has been floating around and reposted many times. I just scan through briefly and took one of it. The purpose of this video was to show you image of Rafale engine lying around randomly.

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If you are expecting neutral sources to report on losses, I can refer you to French intelligence and US news channels confirming the loss of IAF jets that day as well.


https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/31/...pmETK7ueD_Z2pHSnZ0_aem_Il83oAAxqmUzSTyTzHT92g


My purpose here is not to rub salt on your wounds. It's to remain open to different views. Finally the source above with your Indian military chief admitting to the losses should be the final take of it with the source coming from CNN.

If the source does not even convince you that you lost jets, nothing will.
See these are the facts on the ground..

Pak claimed 6 jets down. Showed inconclusive proof.of audio recording and radar blips. Fine .wreckage is in India side

No wreckage pic shown that has been carried by respectable media...except the bs001 small piece. Several people have pointed out issues with it. Fuel tank jettison is not proof of crash. But I agree they have been carried by international media.

Pics you shared just hereare not from reputed .media house..so..I cannot accept it. You can and that's your prerogative.

Our CDS admitted to losses and said they are much less than 6.

Our air marshall is on record saying 6 Pak jets have crashed. No evidence provided.

Im not denying what our CDS mentioned. I'm simply saying it's strange that no wreckage pics have surfaced and no videos in night sky is available.
 
https://vocal.media/theSwamp/bbc-ve...the-story-of-the-bathinda-you-tuber-l77690fsb


Final one. Read this from BBC Verify. As neutral as it can get. If anything, they have already verified videos of Rafale downing.

"BBC Verify confirmed the authenticity of three videos claimed to show the wreckage of a French- made Rafale fighter jet, used by the Indian Air Force."

Once again , these are the best that I can show you. But if you really chose to believe otherwise, then I cannot assist you further.
See this is where I have a problem...share the bbc verify link ..why are you sharing a Pakistani influencer or whatever claim that bbc verify has said so. If bbc verify has said so..where is the link in the document you shared here . I am open minded..I can accept BJP lying..but if you are trying to share proof..it would really help if it is the bbc verify link and not the Swamp link.
 
Make up your Mind.. Indian Posters here believe that we should have responded Brahmos with Nuclear strikes ..they have more knowledge about our Nuclear doctrine on how we should manage escalation ladder .. So yes by logic of Indian Posters , Brahmos is strategic weapon.. so you cant have it both ways just to win argument
No that's not what Indian posters are claiming .they are pointing out that your pm called the nuclear council meeting..as per your country policy that is only when grave damage is inflicted or if they feel that grave damage could be intlicted by enemy if they choose. In this case obviously the damage was not grave but the sheer inability of hq9 to protect any of the air bases showed your leadership that if the war escalates...PAF wouldnt have working. Airbases...hence the meeting was called and request for ceasfire was made.
 
See these are the facts on the ground..

Pak claimed 6 jets down. Showed inconclusive proof.of audio recording and radar blips. Fine .wreckage is in India side

No wreckage pic shown that has been carried by respectable media...except the bs001 small piece. Several people have pointed out issues with it. Fuel tank jettison is not proof of crash. But I agree they have been carried by international media.

Pics you shared just hereare not from reputed .media house..so..I cannot accept it. You can and that's your prerogative.

Our CDS admitted to losses and said they are much less than 6.

Our air marshall is on record saying 6 Pak jets have crashed. No evidence provided.

Im not denying what our CDS mentioned. I'm simply saying it's strange that no wreckage pics have surfaced and no videos in night sky is available.
I told you before. Numbers are subjective. But then again, CNN has confirmed that you do suffer losses and Rafale is one of them. Most likely the other is a Mirage-2000 at least based on visual evidence. And I mentioned this, for debate purpose we will use neutral sources and in this case, it mentioned at least 2 down.

If you are going to deny the picture of an engine randomly appearing on a field, then I can't help you. Even the BS 001 is going to be refuted as fake so it's best to show the engine in my opinion.

The pictures are there. The videos of fireballs in the sky and it's via OSINT. That's the only way you are going to see. Media and evidence have evolved rapidly to social media and that's the fastest way ( X, tiktok and even Reddit). However I have not included this and did my best to include resources to suit this discussion.

If you have admitted to your planes falling off the sky and acknowledge your Indian military acceptance of plane losses, that's good enough for me to see that you are open to views and therefore there is no loss of hope.

As for the numbers game, it's up to you decide. For me it's four based on 4 different locations I have viewed. But it's not up for discussion as authenticity of images and sources will be questioned. I prefer to keep this away.
 
See this is where I have a problem...share the bbc verify link ..why are you sharing a Pakistani influencer or whatever claim that bbc verify has said so. If bbc verify has said so..where is the link in the document you shared here . I am open minded..I can accept BJP lying..but if you are trying to share proof..it would really help if it is the bbc verify link and not the Swamp link.
Agreed with this. However take note it's not easy finding a neutral source displaying images of the wreckages. Hence the only way is to refer to OSINT and admission by military leaders.

You can view it to see the images. Refer to my previous post to see my objective.
 
No that's not what Indian posters are claiming .they are pointing out that your pm called the nuclear council meeting..as per your country policy that is only when grave damage is inflicted or if they feel that grave damage could be intlicted by enemy if they choose. In this case obviously the damage was not grave but the sheer inability of hq9 to protect any of the air bases showed your leadership that if the war escalates...PAF wouldnt have working. Airbases...hence the meeting was called and request for ceasfire was made.

These are hilarious assumptions.. There was news that PM called a meeting on a news channel but later Defense Minister denied that.. You do not want to quote your media as source of information but presenting a news item as fact and then making assumptions based on that from Pakistan.. Thats convenient .. you are talking about NCA meeting , Others are not.. They are making wild claims that Pakistan’s Nuclear bluff has been called out because Brahmos is nuclear capable missile and our minister in interview said Pak had very short window to decide whether it carried N warhead or not..which is rational thought.. He was making assertion that India acted irresponsibly by choosing a weapon whose use can be misinterpreted in fog of war.
HQ 9 is not fool proof system.. like every other system its interception rate cannot be 100%.. You are assuming that Indian army fired limited quantity of Brahmos and message is that they can do more of that and Pakistan is not capable of responding hence Pak needed Ceasefire.. 😂😂😂 i can only laugh at this story though.. First you cant tell us how many brahmos you fired.. and you do not know whats the interception rate of HQ 9.. who knows you might have fired muti dozens of them and we did intercept awful lot of those.. Second Pakistan did not even begin using its own form of cruise missiles as a counter attack.. So unless Pak exhausted all its option to counter the Brahmos attack at ground targets.. you cannot claim that Pakistan cannot do that and needed ceasefire..

Messaging is also odd.. You Share border with us and targets are at very short ranges.. India can reach our heartland is not a message that needed to be conveyed.. everyone already knew this .. you did nt use ground breaking tech here hence all the jumping with joy and continuous harp about it.. a cruise missile which you chose to use and we did nt.. We used 3rd tier Missile for response.. Even those did damage according to Col Sofia.. so get down from that band wagon that you caused some serious crippling damage to our bases and brought us down.. calm down.. It was 4 day conflict .. Nothing is proven except that Pak counter attacked and shot down your prized Jets
 
Still waiting for answers which I asked on post #33

1. What happened to Operation Bunyan Marsoos, and why was it called off within just 4 hours?

2. If your claim is true—that many Indian jets were down and Pakistan was “on top”—then why did Ishaq Dar tell Prince Faisal on the phone: “If they stop, we stop”? If you’re truly winning, wouldn’t you press the advantage and destroy your enemy?

3. How many airbases were actually attacked, and why have we never seen a single credible image of Nur Khan base?

4. Why did Trump and Vance say on 7th May that they didn’t want to interfere in the war, but then call for an immediate ceasefire on 10th May? What changed in those three days? And what exactly happened at 2:30 AM on 10th May?


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Still waiting for answers which I asked on post #33

2. If your claim is true—that many Indian jets were down and Pakistan was “on top”—then why did Ishaq Dar tell Prince Faisal on the phone: “If they stop, we stop”? If you’re truly winning, wouldn’t you press the advantage and destroy your enemy?
Still waiting for answers which I asked on post #33

2. If your claim is true—that many Indian jets were down and Pakistan was “on top”—then why did Ishaq Dar tell Prince Faisal on the phone: “If they stop, we stop”? If you’re truly winning, wouldn’t you press the advantage and destroy your enemy?
Neither sides jets entered the other’s airspace. Everything that happened in the air was BVR. Why would Pakistan be stupid enough to enter Indian airspace without SEAD/DEAD? It’s suicide. India wouldn’t do that either.

Dumb question.
 
Agreed with this. However take note it's not easy finding a neutral source displaying images of the wreckages. Hence the only way is to refer to OSINT and admission by military leaders.

You can view it to see the images. Refer to my previous post to see my objective.
OSINT if verified is reported by mainstream media.. in the mainstream media..there is ana admission by our CDS, BS001 part and the mirage fuselage
Fuselage is jettisoned and is not evidence of crash. I think you would agree to that.

BS001 ..I have questions. But if our CDS accepted it there is no reason for me to debate that. I do think 1-2 aircrafts might have been hit but no pilots were harmed. I also think that is not surprising as the planes were put at risk to achieve mission goals

Coming to your post...the article you shared is fake ...not blaming you but blaming the plethora of fake propaganda on both sides. There is no BBC verify ..so the article is taking BBC name to legitimize the said OSINT sources that you are relying on. Here in lies the problem.

Our media and social media is equally guilty but our military atleast has not lied. They provided evidence of terror sites hit and airbases hit. They accepted losses. The only thing they have so far not provided evidence is the number of Pak jets shot down.
 
OSINT if verified is reported by mainstream media.. in the mainstream media..there is ana admission by our CDS, BS001 part and the mirage fuselage
Fuselage is jettisoned and is not evidence of crash. I think you would agree to that.

BS001 ..I have questions. But if our CDS accepted it there is no reason for me to debate that. I do think 1-2 aircrafts might have been hit but no pilots were harmed. I also think that is not surprising as the planes were put at risk to achieve mission goals

Coming to your post...the article you shared is fake ...not blaming you but blaming the plethora of fake propaganda on both sides. There is no BBC verify ..so the article is taking BBC name to legitimize the said OSINT sources that you are relying on. Here in lies the problem.

Our media and social media is equally guilty but our military atleast has not lied. They provided evidence of terror sites hit and airbases hit. They accepted losses. The only thing they have so far not provided evidence is the number of Pak jets shot down.

Fair enough with your assessment. And fair enough about the article that is not neutral. We can ignore that.

But I have to disagree with the Indian military telling the truth especially with regards to 6 Pakistani aircrafts shot down. I am not sure how you want to take it, but with OSINT and social media so widespread, loss of fighters would have been reported. However, I believe the news is broadcasted in light of the recent political events in India.
 
Nothing emotional there ... these are all well known facts. Only a crazy nation can even consider the option of hopping in bed with the worlds most wanted terrorist and that too by their own Ally !!

And regarding China .... you are practically a Colony for them. They will squeeze every ounce of your usability and hang you dry while selling you snake oil. This is a well known trait of China. You wont realize it now ... time will tell.
If you are referring to OBL, there was a very good reason for why he was being kept under watch in Pakistan. There is plenty of discussion on YouTube on the subject if you are willing to dig for the truth.

The convenient propaganda for India to make is that Pakistani establishment was somehow in bed with Al Qaeda. There is no logic, rhyme or reason behind such a claim. Pakistan was watching out for their own interest because they didn't trust the Americans and Al Qaeda and Taliban and OBL was supposed to be an ace up the sleeve as a negotiating tool.
 
Fair enough with your assessment. And fair enough about the article that is not neutral. We can ignore that.

But I have to disagree with the Indian military telling the truth especially with regards to 6 Pakistani aircrafts shot down. I am not sure how you want to take it, but with OSINT and social media so widespread, loss of fighters would have been reported. However, I believe the news is broadcasted in light of the recent political events in India.
I think lot of Indian citizens are asking for evidence from IAF...but the claims are equally credible as Paksitanis claim of 6indian jets down. Not a lot of evidence was provided. You can say our CDS admitted to a loss..so there is a loss. I don't disagree with it but regarding losses there is no evidence from either side. India has a satellite image of a jet in Bholari and your ex AirMarshall is on record on TCM admitting to a loss. Our CDS has admitted to much less than 6 loss and the only maybe credible image is the BS001 part. I personally consider it fake for the two reasons: where is the rest of the wreckage and the RAFALE is inclined and not in the right position.
 
@ameer219 I have been stating that the BS001 image has serious discrepancies without sharing any proof. Most of the proof I knew was from Indian social media users that I didn't trust. So I did a Google search and found a neutral source

 
I think lot of Indian citizens are asking for evidence from IAF...but the claims are equally credible as Paksitanis claim of 6indian jets down. Not a lot of evidence was provided. You can say our CDS admitted to a loss..so there is a loss. I don't disagree with it but regarding losses there is no evidence from either side. India has a satellite image of a jet in Bholari and your ex AirMarshall is on record on TCM admitting to a loss. Our CDS has admitted to much less than 6 loss and the only maybe credible image is the BS001 part. I personally consider it fake for the two reasons: where is the rest of the wreckage and the RAFALE is inclined and not in the right position.

That's not true.

Pakistan claims were actually shown in a briefing including the whole incident that took place including locations, type of kills and even audio conversations. This itself held some credibility even if you want to dispute the evidence.

This is much stronger than the current IAF chief which just claim 6 downed planes without any further description. No locations, no description. Just a bare annoucement with credits to S-400.

Hence the quality of the briefing is important in giving credibility evidence and plays an even greater role in information warfare. If India had provided proof of the shot down, you can mark my words, Pakistanis will start questioning their army which has already been a bad show since Imran Khan debacle.
 
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That's not true.

Pakistan claims were actually shown in a briefing including the whole incident that took place including locations, type of kills and even audio conversations. This itself held some credibility even if you want to dispute the evidence.

This is much stronger than the current IAF chief which just claim 6 downed planes without any further description. No locations, no description. Just a bare annoucement with credits to S-400.

Hence the quality of the briefing is important in giving credibility evidence and plays an even greater role in information warfare. If India had provided proof of the shot down, you can mark my words, Pakistanis will start questioning their army which has already been a bad show since Imran Khan debacle.
Yes there was a briefing..issue is the evidence is just circumstantia and not irrefutable. I will explain.

1. Can the Godzilla audio track be created sitting in studio. Has that been digitally audited. Go to YouTube there are so much fake audios of celebrities ..that it is hard to trust it

2. Radar blips can be due to decoys, can be recreated synthetically, and can also be due to loss of radar contact or coverage.

Let's look back at 2019.

1. Dgispr claimed two planes and three pilots. Then said one pilot died in hospital. Then said no only one pilot.

2. There is video images of two parachutes..irrefutable.

3. These two claims are evidence a second plane went down and lends credence to India's claim that f16 was shot down along with mig21.

4.ofcourse Pakistan has stronger evidence..wreckage and Abhinandan himself. So there is 0 doubt about that but some doubt about Indian claims.

What Pakistan presented is at best circumstantial and at worst doctored evidence. However you can say when our CDS accepted losses then there has been at least one loss..which is irrefutable.
 
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https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-attack-kashmir-tourists-intl-hnk@ameer219 I have been stating that the BS001 image has serious discrepancies without sharing any proof. Most of the proof I knew was from Indian social media users that I didn't trust. So I did a Google search and found a neutral source
I read the article.

The only evidence that I actually agree seems a tad possible of fabrication is BS-001. The image seems too perfect.

The engine lying on the field however, that doesn't seems doctored if you look at the whole video. And it greatly resembles Rafale engine.

Yet my confirmations were ultimately reinforced after the CNN news article when they quoted French officials. That was good enough to show that Rafale jet was indeed shot down.

 
Yes there was a briefing..issue is the evidence is just circumstantia and not irrefutable. I will explain.

1. Can the Godzilla audio track be created sitting in studio. Has that been digitally audited. Go to YouTube there are so much fake audios of celebrities ..that it is hard to trust it

2. Radar blips can be due to decoys, can be recreated synthetically, and can also be due to loss of radar contact or coverage.

Let's look back at 2019.

1. Dgispr claimed two planes and three pilots. Then said one pilot died in hospital. Then said no only one pilot.

2. There is video images of two parachutes..irrefutable.

3. These two claims are evidence a second plane went down and lends credence to India's claim that f16 was shot down along with mig21.

4.ofcourse Pakistan has stronger evidence..wreckage and Abhinandan himself. So there is 0 doubt about that but some doubt about Indian claims.

What Pakistan presented is at best circumstantial and at worst doctored evidence. However you can say when our CDS accepted losses then there has been at least one loss..which is irrefutable.
Like I said, I won't engage with you on the specifics of the briefing on the air war briefing.

My focus is how it was conducted. Even if you claim it to be circumstantial , it was carried out in a detailed manner with findings provided and then explaining their point of view

Now see how India's air chief did his briefing and it left not just neutral people speechless, but even some Indians questioning it e.g Pravin Sahwney. If he had put more effort to his claims, it would have had at least even Pakistanis looking into his claims. To be honest, he sounded like an intern making such big claims without any form of proof. The fact that I expected better showed that I have high regards for IAF.
 
Can’t wait for the day the IAF chief holds a press conference and forced to say, “Yeah, that jet? It wasn’t a pilot, it was Sri Modi himself. Flew it straight into the narrative.

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- Thiis just in: Singh says winter is coming.
Experts predict it might arrive… last December.

-Amar Preet Singh has just confirmed… Michael Jackson has released Thriller.
 
I read the article.

The only evidence that I actually agree seems a tad possible of fabrication is BS-001. The image seems too perfect.

The engine lying on the field however, that doesn't seems doctored if you look at the whole video. And it greatly resembles Rafale engine.

Yet my confirmations were ultimately reinforced after the CNN news article when they quoted French officials. That was good enough to show that Rafale jet was indeed shot down.

The BS-001 image is real. I was reading a thread on Reddit about it where non Indian and non Pakistanis were discussing it and a guy with a military background analysed the image and said it’s real. The claim that it’s an older pic is false as the image doesn’t exist prior to the recent fight and if it’s older then when did the first Indian Rafale went down? The image isn’t photoshopped either or AI generated.
 
The funniest claim Tom Cooper has made is that India captured a Pakistani pilot called Chahat Fateh Ali Khan 🤣🤣🤣🤣

From his substackIMG_6911.png

No such pilot exists.

And here is the real Chahat Fateh Ali Khan.

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The BS-001 image is real. I was reading a thread on Reddit about it where non Indian and non Pakistanis were discussing it and a guy with a military background analysed the image and said it’s real. The claim that it’s an older pic is false as the image doesn’t exist prior to the recent fight and if it’s older then when did the first Indian Rafale went down? The image isn’t photoshopped either or AI generated.
I remember having a discussion with an Indian on Reddit. He showed me a reverse image of it appearing in 2023 which left me speechless and questioning the authenticity. But the video of the engine definitely is a stronger evidence in my view.

This is not to discount that Rafale was shot down. In fact I do believe at least 1 was shot down.
 
Haha you can only laugh at these bhakt clowns. So much macho chest thumping and came down crashing and got the beating of a lifetime. Their Terorrist army bases, jets, Hindudva government and reputation all took a heavy embarrassing epic beating of a lifetime from a nation 1/7th of its size so they will need to cope with this for generation to come. Gave up within 4 days and were even seen running away from stadiums faking light issues when Pakistani missles were dropping left right and center lol.

Just like how they got humiliated in 2019 through Abhinandan, this was a much bigger phainty at a much bigger scale.

Following article with evidence is what genuine claims look like, not the bollywood usuals fantasies. Just laugh at Indians and move on lol:
 

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Do you really want me to believe a no name Pakistani YouTube channel ? Has this been carried in any media . Surely this YouTuber has infinitely less resources than global media networks or your country or Chinas military.

How's this for a claim where BBC and numerous western media neutral outlets verified videos of Indian army debris picking being Rafaels? You still haven't admitted whats been proven by actual footage. Funny how Indians are back at it after 3 months as all the taunting and humiliation was really getting you guys good, it's okay you started a war and you miserably lost it within 4 days.

I posted numerous articles in threads where Indians eventually stopped showing up as there were too many evidences and footage of Pakistani army making a meal out of Bharti aggressor Terrorists who bombed mosques and homes to start a senseless war
 

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What did pakistan hit?

Bharti jets, Bharti bases, Bharti terror camps, and the best of all Bharti bhakts fragile little egos came down crashing when they kneeled within four days:
 

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Last I checked ( Proper NOTAM) Pakistan Airbase unavailable for service unlike Pakistan fake propaganda 🤣🤣

We have proof with fact 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

:kp

Posting all the neutral articles confirming humiliation of India is what you call proof with facts which are based on ground realities fact checks. It's fun revisiting Bharti miserable humiliation after 3 months :)
 

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I remember having a discussion with an Indian on Reddit. He showed me a reverse image of it appearing in 2023 which left me speechless and questioning the authenticity. But the video of the engine definitely is a stronger evidence in my view.

This is not to discount that Rafale was shot down. In fact I do believe at least 1 was shot down.
Yeah so this is the claim being made that if you reverse image search it, it is an old pic. However, the older images aren’t actually old, it’s just that the date shown is of the account and not the pic itself. The pic does not exist prior to Pakistani claim of it being shot down. But even if let’s agree that it is an older image, then the reverse claim is tell us when the BS-001 went down since the image itself is real and not photoshopped or gen AI.
 
How's this for a claim where BBC and numerous western media neutral outlets verified videos of Indian army debris picking being Rafaels? You still haven't admitted whats been proven by actual footage. Funny how Indians are back at it after 3 months as all the taunting and humiliation was really getting you guys good, it's okay you started a war and you miserably lost it within 4 days.

I posted numerous articles in threads where Indians eventually stopped showing up as there were too many evidences and footage of Pakistani army making a meal out of Bharti aggressor Terrorists who bombed mosques and homes to start a senseless war
You aren't very bright.. . Share the actual bbc verify link ..dnt share a fake article quoting fake BBC stories trying to authenticate fake videos as evidence. Baki enjoy taking processions hailing your victory...
While you search for the bbc story..search for satellite images of damaged Indian bases damaged s400 destroyed Brahmos depot..
 
Yeah so this is the claim being made that if you reverse image search it, it is an old pic. However, the older images aren’t actually old, it’s just that the date shown is of the account and not the pic itself. The pic does not exist prior to Pakistani claim of it being shot down. But even if let’s agree that it is an older image, then the reverse claim is tell us when the BS-001 went down since the image itself is real and not photoshopped or gen AI.
How do you know it's not doctored image...truth is neither of us know it conclusively but an independent news portal has this to say



Truth is no one knows for sure..neither I nor you. But the points raised by this guy in flight global of all places..need to have a satisfactory answer before we can consider it to be in doctored.

However I will say this is moot as our CDS has confirmed a loss much below the 6 number ..but it may not be Rafale . It is not surprising for Pakistan to make such claims but they have failed to provide any conclusive evidence.
Of s400 hits
Brahmos depot
Airbase damages
6 wreckages
India hitting Afghanistan per dgispr
India bombing Amritsar
 
Yeah so this is the claim being made that if you reverse image search it, it is an old pic. However, the older images aren’t actually old, it’s just that the date shown is of the account and not the pic itself. The pic does not exist prior to Pakistani claim of it being shot down. But even if let’s agree that it is an older image, then the reverse claim is tell us when the BS-001 went down since the image itself is real and not photoshopped or gen AI.
It's my own anecdotal experience in the end.

But whether it's engine or the tail, one thing we can agree on us that Rafale is shot down as confirmed by French officials on CNN. It's as legit as it can get.
 
Bharti jets, Bharti bases, Bharti terror camps, and the best of all Bharti bhakts fragile little egos came down crashing when they kneeled within four days:
Who is bharti?

Indian missiles stuck wsy inside Pakistani territory while all **** has is unsubstantiated claims
 
Pakistan pulled India’s pants down before the world to reveal a reality which is well known & they are trying their best to control the damage from their humiliation.
 
All I know is that if I were and Indian I would be extremely embarrassed right now.

Of their government, their media and the Indian trolls like the ones that buy in to the extremism and come to sites like PP to pedal their nonsense
 
All I know is that if I were and Indian I would be extremely embarrassed right now.

Of their government, their media and the Indian trolls like the ones that buy in to the extremism and come to sites like PP to pedal their nonsense

James Herbert wrote a famous novel about them, I wonder if you’ve read it :yk
 
All I know is that if I were and Indian I would be extremely embarrassed right now.

Of their government, their media and the Indian trolls like the ones that buy in to the extremism and come to sites like PP to pedal their nonsense
The fact that being a Pakistani you didnt felt embarrassed for so long when there are plenty of substance, chance of that happening is very slim.
 
The fact that being a Pakistani you didnt felt embarrassed for so long when there are plenty of substance, chance of that happening is very slim.
which substance?

I don't believe what the Pakistani Government or Military say, I go by what is said by the International Media and experts and the voice of the people living in Pakistan whom I can trust...

But there are some things that are just laughable and have to be pointed out..
The most important one being the need for certain posters to defend their Government about each
and every single thing no matter what and the inability to criticise their own Government; this shows massive insecurity on their part.

Then you have media restrictions, not being open about losses they sustained, the mere fact that they started a war without any evidence, lying about how many and which jets they lost, claiming they captured the perpetrators three months later hiding out in IOK and then stating they downed Pakistani jets, again three months later...
 
which substance?

I don't believe what the Pakistani Government or Military say, I go by what is said by the International Media and experts and the voice of the people living in Pakistan whom I can trust...

But there are some things that are just laughable and have to be pointed out..
The most important one being the need for certain posters to defend their Government about each
and every single thing no matter what and the inability to criticise their own Government; this shows massive insecurity on their part.

Then you have media restrictions, not being open about losses they sustained, the mere fact that they started a war without any evidence, lying about how many and which jets they lost, claiming they captured the perpetrators three months later hiding out in IOK and then stating they downed Pakistani jets, again three months later...
That is simply because you, like others, know the credibility of the Pakistani government and its military. The entire world saw it when your defence minister humiliated himself on Sky News and then on CNN, saying his “proof” was social media. Or when your PM gave a fake image as gift to Asim Munir while promoting to Failed Marshal post. LMAO

However, just because you don’t trust your own government doesn’t mean we have to feel the same way. The Indian government and military have an impeccable record of being honest with their citizens. We are a proper democracy with a strong human rights record. So anything our Air Force chief says, we will, of course, trust. This is why, during this war, every Indian and politicians from every party stood tall with the Indian government and army. I know you feel Indian muslims like Pathan brothers and Owaisi is supporting India just to stay safe but that is your mindset.

The point is simple: you carry out a terrorist attack, India will strike back. No international power, nor its baap, can save. This international drama will not work. Trump aaj hai...kal nehi, yaad rakhna dost.
 
You aren't very bright.. . Share the actual bbc verify link ..dnt share a fake article quoting fake BBC stories trying to authenticate fake videos as evidence. Baki enjoy taking processions hailing your victory...
While you search for the bbc story..search for satellite images of damaged Indian bases damaged s400 destroyed Brahmos depot..

This was actually posted on BBC and I took a snap of it. Fake article using fake stories? We are not Bhartis to rely on that. You guys got humiliated and it's been a tough one to accept it, no wonder 3 months ago you celebrated Lahore port takeover and now after 3 months you are celebrating fake claims of shooting down Pakistani jets :)

Miserable bunch, rona dhina hindustanio ke kismat mein likha hai against Pakistan
 
All I know is that if I were and Indian I would be extremely embarrassed right now.

Of their government, their media and the Indian trolls like the ones that buy in to the extremism and come to sites like PP to pedal their nonsense

The hard on literal tamacha they received through destruction of their jets, bases and kneeling within 4 days, all this after a decade long brainwashing and fake machoness they were being fooled with by the Gujrat butcher has indeed been a very tough one to swallow for Bharti Bhakts so them relying on nonsense is all they are left with
 
That is simply because you, like others, know the credibility of the Pakistani government and its military. The entire world saw it when your defence minister humiliated himself on Sky News and then on CNN, saying his “proof” was social media. Or when your PM gave a fake image as gift to Asim Munir while promoting to Failed Marshal post. LMAO

However, just because you don’t trust your own government doesn’t mean we have to feel the same way. The Indian government and military have an impeccable record of being honest with their citizens. We are a proper democracy with a strong human rights record. So anything our Air Force chief says, we will, of course, trust. This is why, during this war, every Indian and politicians from every party stood tall with the Indian government and army. I know you feel Indian muslims like Pathan brothers and Owaisi is supporting India just to stay safe but that is your mindset.

The point is simple: you carry out a terrorist attack, India will strike back. No international power, nor its baap, can save. This international drama will not work. Trump aaj hai...kal nehi, yaad rakhna dost.

BBC and other sources used the footage posted on social media to ensure the debris being picked up by Indian army were "actually Rafaels". There is a reason why India went media blackout because your own citizens were exposing and posting your humiliation on social media. Your coward army wasn't admitting anything, that's why they were lost on words and giving riddles in response like "losses are part of war" when inquired Indian jets going down.

Go make a bollywood flick of Mission Tandoor and celebrate it with a few thumka and item songs in it, that's the best you guys could do
 
BBC and other sources used the footage posted on social media to ensure the debris being picked up by Indian army were "actually Rafaels". There is a reason why India went media blackout because your own citizens were exposing and posting your humiliation on social media. Your coward army wasn't admitting anything, that's why they were lost on words and giving riddles in response like "losses are part of war" when inquired Indian jets going down.

Go make a bollywood flick of Mission Tandoor and celebrate it with a few thumka and item songs in it, that's the best you guys could do
Are you okay? We have accepted that one Indian Rafael Jet was down on the same day itself (7th may). I have even posted about it here. Show me where BBC said it were Rafael(s) in plural? LOL

Pakistan's fake news about 5 Indian jets down, 10 down and at one point it went to 20 jets down was noted by all. When CNN asked your defence minister from where he is getting these news, his response was 'its all over social media'.

Having said all that, jets will go down in a war and soldiers will die. India scored a massive victory on this war due to their Op Sindoor aur Pakistanis planes ginte reh gaye.

As far as Bollywood is concerned, I dnt even see that crap. It is you guys and Pakistanis & BD people who crowd the theatres here in Cineworld and Odeons. Ask them to stop watching it first.
 
That is simply because you, like others, know the credibility of the Pakistani government and its military. The entire world saw it when your defence minister humiliated himself on Sky News and then on CNN, saying his “proof” was social media. Or when your PM gave a fake image as gift to Asim Munir while promoting to Failed Marshal post. LMAO

However, just because you don’t trust your own government doesn’t mean we have to feel the same way. The Indian government and military have an impeccable record of being honest with their citizens. We are a proper democracy with a strong human rights record. So anything our Air Force chief says, we will, of course, trust. This is why, during this war, every Indian and politicians from every party stood tall with the Indian government and army. I know you feel Indian muslims like Pathan brothers and Owaisi is supporting India just to stay safe but that is your mindset.

The point is simple: you carry out a terrorist attack, India will strike back. No international power, nor its baap, can save. This international drama will not work. Trump aaj hai...kal nehi, yaad rakhna dost.
See you just can't help yourself....

IN order to propagate your agenda you always have to have the last word, reply no matter what like a soldier of Bharat (albeit an internet one).

Do you really not see the fallacy?
 
BBC and other sources used the footage posted on social media to ensure the debris being picked up by Indian army were "actually Rafaels". There is a reason why India went media blackout because your own citizens were exposing and posting your humiliation on social media. Your coward army wasn't admitting anything, that's why they were lost on words and giving riddles in response like "losses are part of war" when inquired Indian jets going down.

Go make a bollywood flick of Mission Tandoor and celebrate it with a few thumka and item songs in it, that's the best you guys could do
I give then ample opportunity to grow a spine and its not even difficult, all they have to do is show some self respect and move on with their lives and discuss other things. BUT you can't reason with them, their minds are too clouded by RSS Extremism .
 
BBC and other sources used the footage posted on social media to ensure the debris being picked up by Indian army were "actually Rafaels". There is a reason why India went media blackout because your own citizens were exposing and posting your humiliation on social media. Your coward army wasn't admitting anything, that's why they were lost on words and giving riddles in response like "losses are part of war" when inquired Indian jets going down.

Go make a bollywood flick of Mission Tandoor and celebrate it with a few thumka and item songs in it, that's the best you guys could do
Also, as far as international media is concerned, why doesn’t Pakistan grant access to the same outlets for the 11 airbases that India claims to have destroyed? India has listed the names of these 11 airbases (including Nur Khan) and provided satellite images clearly showing the damage caused by the BrahMos strikes. Allow international media to visit and verify them.

If India is lying, it will be proven, na? Normally, you guys shout “international, international” 24/7 — so why not demand the same from your own government this time?
 
See you just can't help yourself....

IN order to propagate your agenda you always have to have the last word, reply no matter what like a soldier of Bharat (albeit an internet one).

Do you really not see the fallacy?
I have one agenda - stand with truth always, as uncomfortable it can be. Prove me wrong if #HaiHimmat.

Start from questions raised in post#33 or atleast the previous post. Thanks
 
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