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India v Australia, 2nd Test, Day 2 18/10/08 Mohali

Mathew Hayden aka Zaheer's Bunny going to him 7 times :D... In all reality is it time for Hayden to hang up his boots ? he looks out of sorts....
 
jusarrived said:
laxman and hayden continue to have a poor series against their fav teams !
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Mmm hmm hadn't thought of that. Laxman has contributed a little more than Hayden though, who has contributed almost nothing.
 
Originally Posted by Caved12
Mr. Lee is supposed deliver every game, quite disappointed stuff by him so far.


This is what I keep telling everyone had Lee been playing in Zaheer's place he would have one of the most horrific stats ever. He is just an avg bowler who had an awesome team to play with and that too in bowler friendly conditions...
 
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Romali_rotti said:
Mathew Hayden aka Zaheer's Bunny going to him 7 times :D... In all reality is it time for Hayden to hang up his boots ? he looks out of sorts....
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Hard to tell when you go out in the first over if you are batting well or not.

But at some stage Hayden will have to be realistic, I don't know if he will make the Ashes tour.

And getting out continually to Zaheer Khan is pretty embarassing.
 
Random Aussie said:
Hard to tell when you go out in the first over if you are batting well or not.

But at some stage Hayden will have to be realistic, I don't know if he will make the Ashes tour.

And getting out continually to Zaheer Khan is pretty embarassing.
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Mate, if Zaheer was playing for Australia he would be have taken out Dennis Lillee record long time ago....
 
Romali_rotti said:
Originally Posted by Caved12
Mr. Lee is supposed deliver every game, quite disappointed stuff by him so far.


This is what I keep telling everyone had Lee been playing in Zaheer's place he would have one of the most horrific stats ever. He is just an avg bowler who had an awesome team to play with and that too in bowler friendly conditions...
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What worse than Zaheer's career stats? Lee may be overrated (by others, he is certainly not overrated by Australians) but he is still a far better bowler than Zaheer Khan.

58 Tests, averages 33.5 at just 3 wickets per game.
 
Random Aussie said:
What worse than Zaheer's career stats? Lee may be overrated (by others, he is certainly not overrated by Australians) but he is still a far better bowler than Zaheer Khan.

58 Tests, averages 33.5 at just 3 wickets per game.
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Mate, read my post above had Zaheer been bowling in conditions which Lee has gotten with a team like that, it is flat out scarey to see what my man Zaheer would achieve :D.. Lee is just a home track bully mate, thats all he is..
 
Random Aussie said:
What worse than Zaheer's career stats? Lee may be overrated (by others, he is certainly not overrated by Australians) but he is still a far better bowler than Zaheer Khan.

58 Tests, averages 33.5 at just 3 wickets per game.
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Infact, I think its only the Indians who seem to love Lee. Which is somewhat ironic.

I've been pretty harsh on Brett in the past, but in fairness this is the first time he's been this awful for awhile. I'm surprised he managed to keep that form up for as long as he did post-warne/mgrath.
 
Savak said:
He is over rated. Even Random Aussie admitted it. Frankly i just dont rate him as a bowler. He doesnt do anything with the ball and most of the wickets he has picked have been in supportive Australian wickets. Seeing him for the first time in conditions which do not support him, he cuts a pathetic figure bowling at 60-70% effort. Actually this isnt his first time on flat pitches he played against Pakistan in Colombo and Sharjah in 2002 where there was a world of a difference between him and Akhtar.

I really wanted him to do well but he has just dissapointed me for someone who everyone thinks is unbelievably fit. Well if your fit your supposed to be bowling at your 100% when you play for your country and Lee i cannot say he is putting in a 100% when he continues to bowl at 131 km/hr to 139-140 km/hr when he is easily capable of bowling at 154-155 km/hr.

Talk about surrender.
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Agree. Lee should not have any excuse of bowling slow.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Mate, read my post above had Zaheer been bowling in conditions which Lee has gotten with a team like that, it is flat out scarey to see what my man Zaheer would achieve :D.. Lee is just a home track bully mate, thats all he is..
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See you sort of had me going there but the bolded bit gives you away :))
 
Romali_rotti said:
Mate, read my post above had Zaheer been bowling in conditions which Lee has gotten with a team like that, it is flat out scarey to see what my man Zaheer would achieve :D.. Lee is just a home track bully mate, thats all he is..
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Wait, so why can't Zaheer perform on pancakes under a blazing sun? I'll name a handful of Pakistani bowlers that consistently dismantled batting orders on flat wickets. Why can't Zaheer do the same?
 
Anyways, this is going to be another draw. Unless some truly awful pitches are produced, I could easily see this series ending 0-0.
 
Sheikh said:
Wait, so why can't Zaheer perform on pancakes under a blazing sun? I'll name a handful of Pakistani bowlers that consistently dismantled batting orders on flat wickets. Why can't Zaheer do the same?
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Umm comparing Zaheer to a supposed to be 'world class' bowler Lee.. So no, this not your chance to come running for an anti-India movement to rescue RA, Soo Shoooo off you goo!!!!!!!...
 
Boooooring match btw, i always hate these 450+ scores matches.

Not going to stay home for this, hope India can nail them here, that would make it more exciting for the 3rd and 4th day :D
 
Romali_rotti said:
Umm comparing Zaheer to a supposed to be 'world class' bowler Lee.. So no, this not your chance to come running for an anti-India movement to rescue RA, Soo Shoooo off you goo!!!!!!!...
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Hey man Lee is not world class. Has been for the past 18 months only. Seems to have reverted to the old Lee again.
 
Caved12 said:
The link is quite hot :P . Good job brother, we have got to mix cricket with some beauty, keeps the eyes cool.
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Deepike Dhoni's 'supposed' to be Gf would knock this buck tooth silly blonde off the floor anyday :D...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Deepike Dhoni's 'supposed' to be Gf would knock this buck tooth silly blonde off the floor anyday :D...
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But she is Indian so would spend all the time whining and complaining :)))
 
Romali_rotti said:
Umm comparing Zaheer to a supposed to be 'world class' bowler Lee.. So no, this not your chance to come running for an anti-India movement to rescue RA, Soo Shoooo off you goo!!!!!!!...
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Wow you have some insecurities eh? Just intimating that Zaheer is as average as they come. Take out his record against the minnows (ZIM and Bang) and he averages over 35. But hey, believe what you want, as long as it makes you happy.
 
Sheikh said:
Wow you have some insecurities eh? Just intimating that Zaheer is as average as they come. Take out his record against the minnows (ZIM and Bang) and he averages over 35. But hey, believe what you want, as long as it makes you happy.
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Yeah I will believe what I want, and I sure believe that both your Shoib & our boy Zaheer has very similar records against OZ :D....

Oh wait isnt Shoib supposed to be like a thousand times better than Zaheer ???
 
^plz stop making a fool out of yourself :P U really believe ZAK is a world-class bowler???
 
Romali_rotti said:
Deepike Dhoni's 'supposed' to be Gf would knock this buck tooth silly blonde off the floor anyday :D...
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oh man Deepika is to die for :P
 
And btw Romali, you're not comparing Lee and Zaheer; you're comparing the conditions in which they operate in. On that comparison I raised the point about other bowlers form the subcontinent that have done fantastically well in unhelpful conditions. Why can't Zaheer do the same? Because he's not good enough that's why.

You don't even know the point that your argument is trying to make.
 
Sheikh said:
And btw Romali, you're not comparing Lee and Zaheer; you're comparing the conditions in which they operate in. On that comparison I raised the point about other bowlers form the subcontinent that have done fantastically well in unhelpful conditions. Why can't Zaheer do the same? Because he's not good enough that's why.

You don't even know the point that your argument is trying to make.
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Umm ok you got me now..... :raja ..
 
This indian guy on SkySports is annoying...

Blaming Teenda for not getting a 100, there are other players who shouldve played better and put India on 500+
 
Romali_rotti said:
Yeah I will believe what I want, and I sure believe that both your Shoib & our boy Zaheer has very similar records against OZ :D....

Oh wait isnt Shoib supposed to be like a thousand times better than Zaheer ???
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Once again changing the emphasis of your point about conditions and bringing a completely different aspect into the equation.

To focus on your point, what does Shoaib average in India, the same conditions where poor Zaheer has to ply his trade?

Go on mate, avoid giving me an answer.
 
Ok now i dont see much wrong with comparing Zaheer Khan and Lilee. Lilee performed in only Australian and helpful conditions, he did have his experience in Pakistani pitches where he swore never ever to come back again and that it was a bowlers graveyard and Imran Khan had always performed for Pakistan on such wickets. Zaheer Khan has played most of his test matches in India so he does deserve credit for the wickets he has picked but Lee has played most of his tests in Australia. So on the whole aggregate Zaheer has been worse of than Lee.

Give a seaming pitch to Zaheer Khan and he will wreck havoc.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Mate, read my post above had Zaheer been bowling in conditions which Lee has gotten with a team like that, it is flat out scarey to see what my man Zaheer would achieve :D.. Lee is just a home track bully mate, thats all he is..
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It is pretty scary, Zaheer averages 40 in Australia.

He would never of played Test cricket if he was Australian.
 
Criticism aside, but Lee is still a great bowler. You see the thing is Bowlers like Lee promise you a great show and when they don't deliver, viewers get little disappointed.
 
It's just a matter of time before Hayden gets back into his groove. He was in super tremendous form until he suffered the injury. Also, he was unlucky to be given out in the 1st innings of the 1st Test.

It's reasons like these that makes me sick. I hate it when an a particular undeserving innings of a player gets glory cuz of umpiring mistakes. Likewise, it annoys me to watch a player get snubbed by the umpire for no fault of his. Ganguly was out stumped for about 35, but Rudi didn't even refer it to the third umpire, and he went on to score a century. It completely changed the context of the game altogether. It helped India (Ganguly) to pile heaps of extra runs in the form of partnerships with Tendulkar and Dhoni. It annoys me to watch such silly mistakes made by umpires.
 
Romali Roti when you compare Akhtar and Zaheer, you forget that the Later plays for a team which has a much better, powerful and reliable batting line up. Akhtar can only do so much if his team mates do not step upto the plate. Averages and Statistics at time do not tell you the whole story.
 
Savak said:
Romali Roti when you compare Akhtar and Zaheer, you forget that the Later plays for a team which has a much better, powerful and reliable batting line up. Akhtar can only do so much if his team mates do not step upto the plate. Averages and Statistics at time do not tell you the whole story.
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Well if it is Zaheer vs Shoaib stats will do just fine.

One averages mid twenties the other averages mid thirties.
 
Well played Dhoni and Ganguly:14::14:!!!
 
Random Aussie said:
Well if it is Zaheer vs Shoaib stats will do just fine.

One averages mid twenties the other averages mid thirties.
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Not against your side :D...
 
bublubhuyan said:
It's just a matter of time before Hayden gets back into his groove. He was in super tremendous form until he suffered the injury. Also, he was unlucky to be given out in the 1st innings of the 1st Test.
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I don't know yar. The guy is 37 and his reflexes are not getting any better. Sure, he may have a few more good knocks but for him to get back into a groove for an extended period of time? I don''t see that happening. I think it's becoming more and more obvious that next years ashes will be his last series.
 
Savak said:
Romali Roti when you compare Akhtar and Zaheer, you forget that the Later plays for a team which has a much better, powerful and reliable batting line up. Akhtar can only do so much if his team mates do not step upto the plate. Averages and Statistics at time do not tell you the whole story.
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Nope not quite, how much your batsmen put up doesnt reflect your individual bowling figures, so Akhtar cant be excused...
 
Caved12 said:
Criticism aside, but Lee is still a great bowler. You see the thing is Bowlers like Lee promise you a great show and when they don't deliver, viewers get little disappointed.
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Can a bowler be considered great it has been proven he is one dimensional, performs only in one set of conditions which is when the pitches are bouncy, seaming, swinging. This was one of the rare occasions that Lee was not going to have anything easy and he has failed.

He is lucky he is playing for a team which had so many great players that the onus was never single handedly on him to deliver, he played for a team with reliable batters, a team which is one of the best fielding units in the world and a team which had in form bowlers. Finally once again a team which plays most of its games on bouncy, seaming, swinging pitches for most of the year.

I challenge Lee to bowl in the Lahore pitch, Multan and Faislabad pitches where Akhtar had to bowl in the Nov- Dec England home series of 2005 and where Akhtar picked 17 wickets in that series on the most docile, dead pitches.
 
bublubhuyan said:
It's just a matter of time before Hayden gets back into his groove. He was in super tremendous form until he suffered the injury. Also, he was unlucky to be given out in the 1st innings of the 1st Test.

It's reasons like these that makes me sick. I hate it when an a particular undeserving innings of a player gets glory cuz of umpiring mistakes. Likewise, it annoys me to watch a player get snubbed by the umpire for no fault of his. Ganguly was out stumped for about 35, but Rudi didn't even refer it to the third umpire, and he went on to score a century. It completely changed the context of the game altogether. It helped India (Ganguly) to pile heaps of extra runs in the form of partnerships with Tendulkar and Dhoni. It annoys me to watch such silly mistakes made by umpires.
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He wasnt :)

The bails werent completely dislodged
 
Romali_rotti said:
Not against your side :D...
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And one of those bowlers single handed destroyed one of our all time greatest batting line ups in about 3 overs. The other bowler single handedly gave us the World Cup by conceding 9 runs an over as the opening bowler in a final.

:D
 
Sheikh said:
I don't know yar. The guy is 37 and his reflexes are not getting any better. Sure, he may have a few more good knocks but for him to get back into a groove for an extended period of time? I don''t see that happening. I think it's becoming more and more obvious that next years ashes will be his last series.
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Don't know that he will make it that far Sheikh.
 
7.2 Ishant to Ponting, no run, good length delivery on the stumps, jabs back into the right hander a long way, Ponting gets forward to defend, rapped on the pads and a big big appeal, turned down by umpire Rudi Koertzen, that was very very close, looked out to me, only the long stride could have saved him or perhaps the bounce on this pitch too
 
Ishant without any doubt has been the best bowler of the series ....troubling batsmen even on this pitch !

any one still disagree with me ?
 
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Romali_rotti said:
Meanhwile PLUMB LBW against Ponting turn down by RUDI 2-1 in favour to Aus so far...
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Even Cricindia says it looked like missing leg Romali, but keep trying.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Nope not quite, how much your batsmen put up doesnt reflect your individual bowling figures, so Akhtar cant be excused...
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Hmm, so you dont agree that pressure plays a huge role in this game? You dont agree runs on the board make a difference to how the bowlers bowl? Are you that blind and stubborn?

What were Zaheer Khan figures on this Sri Lankan tour where the Indian batting failed for the majority of the series?

I look at Zaheer's record and his most succesful moments as a bowler only came at a time when the Indian batting was in full form for e.g. the tour to England recently.
 
Random Aussie said:
And one of those bowlers single handed destroyed one of our all time greatest batting line ups in about 3 overs. The other bowler single handedly gave us the World Cup by conceding 9 runs an over as the opening bowler in a final.

:D
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Result all same = Both sides lost against your side, but not a bad effort considering the other one Shoib is supposed to be a 1000 times better than Zaheer ;)P...
 
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Savak said:
Romali Roti when you compare Akhtar and Zaheer, you forget that the Later plays for a team which has a much better, powerful and reliable batting line up. Akhtar can only do so much if his team mates do not step upto the plate. Averages and Statistics at time do not tell you the whole story.
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The most important thing to be noted between them is their fitness levels and their level of controversies. Akhtar's fitness level is way below that of Zaheer (not to say Zaheer have a good fitness level). Also, Akhtar's controversies an and off the field have done a hell lot of harm to him. In my opinion, Akhtar haven't been able to utilize even 10% of his potential.

I can bet my last dime, if he were as dedicated and disciplined as someone like Akhtar or Waqar or Alan Donald, he would have been easily one of the best fast bowlers of this era (maybe even the one and only best since the quality of fast bowling have declined since the start of this era).
 
Good stuff from Ishant and Zaheer. They've really got to go for the kill here. This is their chance, this session could swing the series their way.
 
That... was a very very good delivery from Sharma.

3 months to go... until our batsmen can face him. I hope it goes well, as many of PAK batsmen struggle against some movement, which Sharma is getting very easily
 
bublubhuyan said:
The most important thing to be noted between them is their fitness levels and their level of controversies. Akhtar's fitness level is way below that of Zaheer (not to say Zaheer have a good fitness level). Also, Akhtar's controversies an and off the field have done a hell lot of harm to him. In my opinion, Akhtar haven't been able to utilize even 10% of his potential.

I can bet my last dime, if he were as dedicated and disciplined as someone like Akhtar or Waqar or Alan Donald, he would have been easily one of the best fast bowlers of this era (maybe even the one and only best since the quality of fast bowling have declined since the start of this era).
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Ok now that was just a cheap shot and nothing else. Please stick to the topic, we are talking about cricket and cricket only and we are talking of skills and abilities so controversies and of the field issues have nothing to do over here.

And care to enlighten me on Zaheer's super fitness over Akhtar. Zaheer has been injured a lot in his career as well and many instances are available when Zaheer himself has not been able to complete a series. But anyways, lets stick to Akhtar's and Zaheer's skills on the field shall we.
 
Savak said:
Hmm, so you dont agree that pressure plays a huge role in this game? You dont agree runs on the board make a difference to how the bowlers bowl? Are you that blind and stubborn?

What were Zaheer Khan figures on this Sri Lankan tour where the Indian batting failed for the majority of the series?

I look at Zaheer's record and his most succesful moments as a bowler only came at a time when the Indian batting was in full form for e.g. the tour to England recently.
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Akhtar with his speed and talent should come to the party easily regardless of what his batsmen have put up, cant be excused when compared to a lesser bowler like Zaheer. However if you checks both of their records against OZ the best side of the era, it is identical when it shouldnt be..Both are there to take wickets not to under perform physically when looking at the quality of the batsmen in your side or how much they have put up....
 
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Savak said:
Can a bowler be considered great it has been proven he is one dimensional, performs only in one set of conditions which is when the pitches are bouncy, seaming, swinging. This was one of the rare occasions that Lee was not going to have anything easy and he has failed.

He is lucky he is playing for a team which had so many great players that the onus was never single handedly on him to deliver, he played for a team with reliable batters, a team which is one of the best fielding units in the world and a team which had in form bowlers. Finally once again a team which plays most of its games on bouncy, seaming, swinging pitches for most of the year.

I challenge Lee to bowl in the Lahore pitch, Multan and Faislabad pitches where Akhtar had to bowl in the Nov- Dec England home series of 2005 and where Akhtar picked 17 wickets in that series on the most docile, dead pitches.
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Hey Savak, It is just that my definition of great is just a bit different than others. ;-)
 
Guys the real test is going in Chittagong. NZ is in deep trouble . 100/7 in reply to Bangladesh 245
 
So, how good is this Amit Mishra? And why not Piyush Chawla?
 
SRK saying that the wickettaking delivery of Sharma was reverse swing???? lol???
 
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