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India v New Zealand | 1st Test | Kanpur | Sep 22-26, 2016 | Day 3

An off spinner getting that much turn on day 3.. damn..
 
[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] Jeet Raval, Neesham (promote Ronchi or KW up the order), Corey Anderson (promote Ronchi or KW up the order), Michael Bracewell and Ryder (unlikely because of attitude issues).
 
Jeetay ga Bhai jeetay ga!

New Zealand jeetay ga!
 
Was only a matter of time, this pitch is becoming a nightmare to bat on.
 
Latham is a solid opener.

As good as Vijay.

A solid future prospect for NZ.He gives more assurance than Ross Taylor.
 
Aman said:
Was only a matter of time, this pitch is becoming a nightmare to bat on.
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lol...it turned WAY MORE yesterday (last 30 mins) dude.

Today was ok barring a few balls.

But yeah...the pitch is starting to get tougher and tougher.
 
Gah, no chance of a lead.

Going to be hard for new batsmen to get in here.
 
Toss was way crucial here, India had a big advantage avoiding batting last and getting the best of the conditions on day 1.
 
Ab Fan said:
How did Latham missed that?
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Understating the psychological side of seeing a ball turning that sharply. Last two wickets were good deliveries as the batsmen were expecting the ball to go away and played for the turn.
 
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Double strike. Taylor looked a bit hard done by tho. All of a sudden 300+ looking a fair way out for NZ.
 
The thing is even Jaddu doesn't have an idea about which ball will turn and which ball won't.

So you can get a fair idea on how hard it is for the batsmen.
 
Garbage pitch.

Really should let away sides choose whether to bat/bowl first if you're going to have the toss give that much of an advantage.
 
Aman said:
Garbage pitch.

Really should let away sides choose what to do if they're going to have tosses have that much an influence.
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So Lord's green in 2014 was a fair track where we batted on green track and Eng on a brown track.

It happens.

I agree we got lucky but if you use that to call this pitch garbage, then rank turners are the way to go.

But then when we prepare rank turners, the other set starts crying.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
So Lord's green in 2014 was a fair track where we batted on green track and Eng on a brown track.

It happens.

I agree we got lucky but if you use that to call this pitch garbage, then rank turners are the way to go.

But then when we prepare rank turners, the other set starts crying.
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I'd take rank turners (turns from ball 1) over a pitch where there's such a huge advantage of winning the toss.

You literally folded on an easy pitch, we batted well on the same pitch only for it to turn around circles 40 overs in.

We'll be batting again when literally every ball will be unplayable in the last innings.
 
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Lol at the Kane Williamson dismissal
 
Aman said:
Garbage pitch.

Really should let away sides choose whether to bat/bowl first if you're going to have the toss give that much of an advantage.
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Oh please Aman, you wanted a rank turner from the first ball.

You atleast got a pitch that stayed largely true for 2 days.:msd
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
So Lord's green in 2014 was a fair track where we batted on green track and Eng on a brown track.

It happens.

I agree we got lucky but if you use that to call this pitch garbage, then rank turners are the way to go.

But then when we prepare rank turners, the other set starts crying.
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Actually the 14' Lord's pitch was also green for the English but they negotiated much better same as the case with the Australian 60 all out test. Here this is nearly unplayable. If you want to create turning pitches, learn from Sri Lanka if the uae doesn't fit your style of play.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Actually the 14' Lord's pitch was also green for the English but they negotiated much better same as the case with the Australian 60 all out test. Here this is nearly unplayable. If you want to create turning pitches, learn from Sri Lanka if the uae doesn't fit your style of play.
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Not true at all. There is a picture out there which shows day 1 and day 2 pitch.

Green vs brown.

Literally.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Actually the 14' Lord's pitch was also green for the English but they negotiated much better same as the case with the Australian 60 all out test. Here this is nearly unplayable. If you want to create turning pitches, learn from Sri Lanka if the uae doesn't fit your style of play.
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The grass dried out in the first day.
 
Ashwin ruthlessly using the rough by bowling wide over the wicket.

Like Warne used to around the wicket.

This is gonna be fun.
 
Aman said:
I'd take rank turners (turns from ball 1) over a pitch where there's such a huge advantage of winning the toss.

You literally folded on an easy pitch, we batted well on the same pitch only for it to turn around circles 40 overs in.

We'll be batting again when literally every ball will be unplayable in the last innings.
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NZ vs Aus 2nd test this year.You served green pitch and that backfired you when Aus won toss and opted to bowl.

It happens everywhere,everytime and with everyone.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ashwin ruthlessly using the rough by bowling wide over the wicket.

Like Warne used to around the wicket.

This is gonna be fun.
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Difference is Warne got the chance to use the rough on second half of day 4 and in day 5.
 
Aman said:
Rank turners turn from day 1.

They don't start turning 40 overs into the 2nd innings.
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I was expecting the pitch to deteriorate on the 2nd day and was actually surprised when it stayed true until tea.
 
Ab Fan said:
NZ vs Aus 2nd test this year.You served green pitch and that backfired you when Aus won toss and opted to bowl.

It happens everywhere,everytime and with everyone.
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We prepare 1 day green tops because we can't get a result otherwise.

There's no advantage either for us as we ALWAYS end up batting first on them anyway.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Not true at all. There is a picture out there which shows day 1 and day 2 pitch.

Green vs brown.

Literally.
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That's an unsubstantiated claim until I see evidence. However even if it were the case, it just supports my point because rahane managed a century on that wicket. However, here in these rank turners you can't score 100s like that. Hence why there's always a vocal crowd against such tracks more so than green ones.
But even aside from that, on a green track side batting first doesn't get all the advantages that a side does on these turners as they have to negotiate with the swing, but on other hand they don't Bat last so it's more balanced that way. If they stick it out first few sessions leaving bank outside off, they can make hay. Here's it's pretty much win toss and win match.
 
NZ still in the game cos as I said, barring the odd one, its not turning big.

Santner and Ronchi actually look good.

Dunno why we are bowling vijay and also giving them singles.
 
IcedCoffee said:
That's an unsubstantiated claim until I see evidence. However even if it were the case, it just supports my point because rahane managed a century on that wicket.
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lol at unsubstantiated.

Ask anyone who watched that game.

I watched the match ball by ball.

And there are pics out there,. Someone can find it and post them.

In rank turners, the disadvantage comes last. In greeen track, it comes first.
 
Aman said:
We prepare 1 day green tops because we can't get a result otherwise.

There's no advantage either for us as we ALWAYS end up batting first on them anyway.
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The advantage is for one who wins toss in those games and so is the case here.If NZ won the toss, they would had advantage.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
lol at unsubstantiated.

Ask anyone who watched that game.

I watched the match ball by ball.

And there are pics out there,. Someone can find it and post them.

In rank turners, the disadvantage comes last. In greeen track, it comes first.
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Green track has disadvantage towards the end too. Maybe not as much as these turners but again it's more balanced for both sides with less reliance on the toss.
 
IcedCoffee said:
That's an unsubstantiated claim until I see evidence. However even if it were the case, it just supports my point because rahane managed a century on that wicket. However, here in these rank turners you can't score 100s like that. Hence why there's always a vocal crowd against such tracks more so than green ones.
But even aside from that, on a green track side batting first doesn't get all the advantages that a side does on these turners as they have to negotiate with the swing, but on other hand they don't Bat last so it's more balanced that way. If they stick it out first few sessions leaving bank outside off, they can make hay. Here's it's pretty much win toss and win match.
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You can make a century on rank turners. Ask Pietersen, Cook, Clarke, Pujara, etc.

It's just that the newer generation are so incompetent against spin (our team being the chief culprits). Sachin, Laxman, Dravid, etc., would've made 400 on this pitch.
 
Ab Fan said:
The advantage is for one who wins toss in those games and so is the case here.If NZ won the toss, they would had advantage.
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If we didn't do it, we would rarely get results in NZ, so it's justified.

We're giving away any home advantage by batting in worst of the conditions.
 
street cricketer said:
You can make a century on rank turners. Ask Pietersen, Cook, Clarke, Pujara, etc.

It's just that the newer generation are so incompetent against spin (our team being the chief culprits). Sachin, Laxman, Dravid, etc., would've made 400 on this pitch.
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From the highlights I see of that test where pietersen scored 186, it wasn't turning as viciously as here and especially not as it was during the saf series. I do think it's possible for some greats like srt and dravid and co to score on turners but it's a lot harder than negotiating some swing on a green track especially in a test match.
 
Either way I still think this is better than the saf series pitches. Here you can still manage runs and it's not a mockery of the records or the format with horrendous pitches.
 
Barring a few early in the day, its not turning big or crazy.

These 2 look good.

NZ still can match our score.

India should remain patient and keep up intensity.

Can we get reverse?
 
Aman said:
If we didn't do it, we would rarely get results in NZ, so it's justified.

We're giving away any home advantage by batting in worst of the conditions.
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OK.I got it as the pitches gets eased out and is flat on 2nd and 3rd day in NZ and then provides some assistance to spinners on last two days.
 
IcedCoffee said:
From the highlights I see of that test where pietersen scored 186, it wasn't turning as viciously as here and especially not as it was during the saf series. I do think it's possible for some greats like srt and dravid and co to score on turners but it's a lot harder than negotiating some swing on a green track especially in a test match.
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Mumbai 2012 was a rank turner. I know because Dhoni asked for it and got done by a Pietersen masterclass. This one isn't even a rank turner.
 
IcedCoffee said:
Either way I still think this is better than the saf series pitches. Here you can still manage runs and it's not a mockery of the records or the format with horrendous pitches.
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This I agree with. I was very disappointed with the Nagpur pitch in that series and Mohali wasn't too better as well. I was hoping the wickets could be better this series and this one is much better than the Nagpur dustbowl. I don't mind one rank turner in a series but it becomes a farce when all the matches are like that.
 
This pitch is good as far as batting conditions are concerned.Much better than Mohali where India played SA.

Its more like the Delhi test where Rahane scored twin centuries and AB and Amla faced 300 and 250 balls in process to save the match.

It will help spinners a lot in 4th inning though.
 
Ab Fan said:
OK.I got it as the pitches gets eased out and is flat on 2nd and 3rd day in NZ and then provides some assistance to spinners on last two days.
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Nope, our pitches are flat from 2 day on wards.

If they didn't have grass, they'd be roads from day 1.
 
There was this series in 2002 when there was hardly any difference between the pitch and the outfield when we toured New Zealand. It was a very low scoring series and sometimes both sides got skittled within a day. But India were demolished in that series. Apparently John Wright, who was the then Indian coach, had a rude shock when he came to the ground only to find the groundsmen nicely watering the pitch a day before the match.
 
[MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]...still unfair pitch bro?

Are you watching the game?

Pitch has settled down.

I have no idea what will happen now.
 
That didn't look close to being out live.

Waiting on hawkeye..
 
Doully being very careful with he says so he doesn't lose his IPL contract.

That Watling delivery didn't look like hitting live... then again bringing up KW when there was no evidence to suggest he hit it.
 
Holy crap!
DRS strikes again, it's like traveling on carts because "cars are not 100% safe" what a disgraceful and foolish stance india have on this. Now wait untill this farce create some big mess, such a clowns
 
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