INDIA Vs AUSTRALIA - DLF CUP

[akram_rejuvinated]

Dude, first of all, who talks like that anymore? Oh wait... I guess YOU do. And Navjot Sidhu.
Secondly all ur assertions are false. You said he got "tonked" on debut when infact he took 2/14 on debut against England. You said that he dominated SL, and called SL "lesser mortals", when a) his record against SL is slightly worse than his overall record and b) SL is actually a very good ODI team. You said he failed to win Pakistan the series against England, which I conceed is true, but it was not due to Asif but despite of Asif's brilliant bowling(8 wickets at 22). You said he failed against India in ODIs, but surely going at around 4 an over against the "mighty" Indian batting is hardly a failure.

If Asif is a "bee without a stinger" in ODIs, which of your bowlers has outstung him? Pathan? The only reason we give Asif so little credit for his ODI performances is because he is so d*mn exceptional in test cricket.

usually not one to bother myself with records, but asif versus india piqued my attention. and for a change i did bother to look up his stats, so here goes: (this is the bee with no stinger against india)
the first match 9.4 - 2 - 30 - 3
the second 6 - 1 - 28 - 0
third 10 - 0 - 47 - 2
fourth 8 - 1 - 35 - 0
fifth 9 - 0 - 48 - 0
dlf cup match 1 8 - 1 - 24 - 0
dlf cup match 2 10 - 2 - 57 - 1

overall showing against india in ODIs
matches over maidens runs wickets econ strikerate
7 60.4 7 269 6 4.43 44.83
whereas in close comparison, agarkar who has a better overall record against pakistan as compared to asif's against india, in the last seven matches against pakistan in which asif has represented pakistan, here is where he stands:
matches over maidens runs wickets econ strikerate
7 60 3 292 9 4.86 32.44
hopefully that answers one of your querries...

true his econ is around 4.5, but that is a miserable strikerate. and not to mention that if you notice a trend, he becomes rather impotent a bowler as the series progresses. people get the better of him with time. and that is my point. play asif today, he will make you rue the day you were born, play him thrice in quick succession, he is as incisive as a cold blunt knife through sheetrock (thats another sidhuism for you, but i just made it up).

 

[Uzzy]

in ODIs asif has been as benign as a bee without its stinger. he might have tormented lesser mortals such as sri lanka (especially when they were low on confidence and had been softened to a pulp by india less than a month earlier), he failed against india (again in the ODI not the tests that i am talking about here), could not win pakistan the series against england and well was tonked about on his debut. he might have improved, but in the shorter version of the game, he is not quite as dangerous.

Rubbish. On his debut he recorded match figures of 2\14. I dont know how you define the word tonking but those match figures are excellant.

He didnt do too badly against India in the ODIs, granted he didnt pick up many wickets but he was economical throughout. There was a certain ODI cant remember which venue where Asif was making both Tendulkar and Dravid dance with the ball, literally.

Sri Lanka are a top ODI side and formiddable oppenets at home. Asif did exceptionally well in both the ODIs and Tests in their own backyard. Not many people can say the same.

You say Asif is not quite as dangerous, well he was a success against England and made certain top-class batsman look clueless MORE than once ala Kevin Pietersen, Tresco and Strauss.

I bet the scars suffered at the hands of Asif at Karachi still haunt you. Shame.

 

[Uzzy]

by debut i implied his disasterous tour of australia, dont really care much for him so i did not bother to run a search on his exact debut. sri lanka are indeed a very good side but had a terrible run last year till they routed england 5-0. since then, or just before that they have been downright unstoppable. and yes, sri lanka did take on pakistan after the mauling we gave them and were seriously low on confidence.

Apart from that 6-1 thrashing India gave SL, they have been a top side. They did extremely well in the VB series and were 2nd best afrer Australia in the tournament. Also i dont see how you can put Asif doing well against SL down to SL being low on confidence. What was SLs next series after India? VB series correct? They turned themselves around at that tournament, then thrashed Bangladesh and came up against Pakistan after. So i dont see how this low on confidence excuse comes into play.

and for a change i did bother to look up his stats, so here goes:
the first match 9.4 - 2 - 30 - 3
the second 6 - 1 - 28 - 0
third 10 - 0 - 47 - 2
fourth 8 - 1 - 35 - 0
fifth 9 - 0 - 48 - 0
dlf cup match 1 8 - 1 - 24 - 0
dlf cup match 2 10 - 2 - 57 - 1

overall showing against india in ODIs
matches over maidens runs wickets econ strikerate
7 60.4 7 269 6 4.43 44.83
whereas in close comparison, agarkar who has a better overall record against pakistan as compared to asif's against india, in the last seven matches against pakistan in which asif has represented pakistan, here is where he stands:
matches over maidens runs wickets econ strikerate
7 60 3 292 9 4.86 32.44
hopefully that answers one of your querries...

true his econ is around 4.5, but that is a miserable strikerate. and not to mention that if you notice a trend, he becomes rather impotent a bowler as the series progresses. people get the better of him with time. and that is my point. play asif today, he will make you rue the day you were born, play him thrice in quick succession, he is as incisive as a cold blunt knife through sheetrock (thats another sidhuism for you, but i just made it up).

Right...And what about KP? Tresco? Strauss even to some extent. By your logic those 3 top-class players would have figured him out and made him look useless yet its the other way around.

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

Rubbish. On his debut he recorded match figures of 2\14. I dont know how you define the word tonking but those match figures are excellant.

He didnt do too badly against India in the ODIs, granted he didnt pick up many wickets but he was economical throughout. There was a certain ODI cant remember which venue where Asif was making both Tendulkar and Dravid dance with the ball, literally.

Sri Lanka are a top ODI side and formiddable oppenets at home. Asif did exceptionally well in both the ODIs and Tests in their own backyard. Not many people can say the same.

You say Asif is not quite as dangerous, well he was a success against England and made certain top-class batsman look clueless MORE than once ala Kevin Pietersen, Tresco and Strauss.

I bet the scars suffered at the hands of Asif at Karachi still haunt you. Shame.

confused his ODI debut with his test match debut.

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

Apart from that 6-1 thrashing India gave SL, they have been a top side. They did extremely well in the VB series and were 2nd best afrer Australia in the tournament. Also i dont see how you can put Asif doing well against SL down to SL being low on confidence. What was SLs next series after India? VB series correct? They turned themselves around at that tournament, then thrashed Bangladesh and came up against Pakistan after. So i dont see how this low on confidence excuse comes into play.



Right...And what about KP? Tresco? Strauss even to some extent. By your logic those 3 top-class players would have figured him out and made him look useless yet its the other way around.

dude trescothick has been in torrid form and there is a reason he was dropped. pietersen did fall prey repeatedly to asif, but for all his antics and his power dominance over the bowlers, i rate him inferior to aussie batsmen. ponting will have asif with salt and pepper and maybe cough out the bones for the ground staff to gather.

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

Rubbish. On his debut he recorded match figures of 2\14. I dont know how you define the word tonking but those match figures are excellant.

He didnt do too badly against India in the ODIs, granted he didnt pick up many wickets but he was economical throughout. There was a certain ODI cant remember which venue where Asif was making both Tendulkar and Dravid dance with the ball, literally.

Sri Lanka are a top ODI side and formiddable oppenets at home. Asif did exceptionally well in both the ODIs and Tests in their own backyard. Not many people can say the same.

You say Asif is not quite as dangerous, well he was a success against England and made certain top-class batsman look clueless MORE than once ala Kevin Pietersen, Tresco and Strauss.

I bet the scars suffered at the hands of Asif at Karachi still haunt you. Shame.

what youre using my line now? and if i recall it was shoaib and razzaq who were the boogey men, after the **** batting had some net practise...

that victory was forget around the same time as the 4th ODI at Multan where pakistan was bundled out for 161 (of which inzi made 49 and after him, yousuf and extras were the highest scorers). believe me we indians are quite myopic about recalling cricket matches and outstanding debuts. no scars here, just giggles at the pancake tossers.

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

Rubbish. On his debut he recorded match figures of 2\14. I dont know how you define the word tonking but those match figures are excellant.

He didnt do too badly against India in the ODIs, granted he didnt pick up many wickets but he was economical throughout. There was a certain ODI cant remember which venue where Asif was making both Tendulkar and Dravid dance with the ball, literally.
Sri Lanka are a top ODI side and formiddable oppenets at home. Asif did exceptionally well in both the ODIs and Tests in their own backyard. Not many people can say the same.

You say Asif is not quite as dangerous, well he was a success against England and made certain top-class batsman look clueless MORE than once ala Kevin Pietersen, Tresco and Strauss.

I bet the scars suffered at the hands of Asif at Karachi still haunt you. Shame.

that was the third odi at lahore, after which game we would go wicketless save for a consolitary wicket in the depth of the innings at abu dhabi in the second match of the DLF cup by bowling dravid at 95 in the 40th soemthing over with the scorecard at 200+ for 2. and this match, where he presumably made dravid and sachin dance, dravid made 20, sachin 95 (and later dhoni and yuvraj made 70s).

 

[Uzzy]

dude trescothick has been in torrid form and there is a reason he was dropped. pietersen did fall prey repeatedly to asif, but for all his antics and his power dominance over the bowlers, i rate him inferior to aussie batsmen. ponting will have asif with salt and pepper and maybe cough out the bones for the ground staff to gather.

Tresco may have been out of form but Asif still has the wood over him going back all the way to Englands tour of Pakistan. In the tour match and Asifs ODI debut he completely had the wood over him, so i wouldnt just relate it to tresco being out of form.

KP, well i dont think much needs to be said. Asif made him his bunny and the times he didnt get him out he sure as hell made a fool of him, also Strauss to some extent has fallen prey to Asif a few times.

So really i dont buy your logic in batsman finding him out after a few games as that hasnt really been the case.

I find it amusing how you rate him inferior to the aussie batsman when he hasnt played them since improving from the Australian tour of 2005. We just have to wait till the Champions Trophy to gauge how good he is against the best.

 

[Uzzy]

what youre using my line now? and if i recall it was shoaib and razzaq who were the boogey men, after the **** batting had some net practise...

that victory was forget around the same time as the 4th ODI at Multan where pakistan was bundled out for 161 (of which inzi made 49 and after him, yousuf and extras were the highest scorers). believe me we indians are quite myopic about recalling cricket matches and outstanding debuts. no scars here, just giggles at the pancake tossers.

Right and what of Sehwag, Laxman and Tendu when Asif humiliated them?

 

[Uzzy]

that was the third odi at lahore, after which game we would go wicketless save for a consolitary wicket in the depth of the innings at abu dhabi in the second match of the DLF cup by bowling dravid at 95 in the 40th soemthing over with the scorecard at 200+ for 2. and this match, where he presumably made dravid and sachin dance, dravid made 20, sachin 95 (and later dhoni and yuvraj made 70s).

I know what they made but the fact is he was beating the edge and bat numerous times and making the best in the business dance with the ball all by a rookie!

And what does the DLF matches have to do with the ODI series prior to it. The tournament was most probably fixed anyway.

 

[WIW_SRT]

The Indians returning home bare handed.

http://www.zippyvideos.com/4268079276027226/budhu_laut_ke_ghar_aaye/*arijit

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Uzzy and M_B.....Post here!
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=27554&page=3

 

[fun]

in here we olny talk about pak team why bother seeing other macths