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India vs South Africa | 3rd Test | Nagpur | Nov 25-29, 2015 | Match Thread

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Passionate Observer said:
Saha has such an ugly vocal tone, his constant rambling behind the stumps is nauseating. So frustrating to listen to his non-stop verbal diarrhea, if I was the batsman, I would have a stern word with him. His mediocre hackifying batting doesn't help either, how the hell did he make his way into the test squad? If this the replacement we had in mind for Dhoni, he shouldn't have retired.
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He might have missed a catch and a stumping, but I like his glove work. This pitch is not the easiest to keep to, and if you look at his feet movement, its pretty spot on. He anticipates well, even if the ball is going down the leg side. We need such specialists like him for such turners. I reckon Dhoni would have spilled more chances.
 
Pakcricket89 said:
Pitches is a big excuse, SA have been pathetic and deserve every bit of the battering they are getting

May be with Kallis and Smith in team they could have coped better
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And how about the Indian batsmen in that case. Yes you are right there is absolutely nothing wrong with the pitches been produced in this series these all batsmen from both the camps are utter garbage...

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Saffer_XIII said:
It's Elgar and he's been the 2nd best opener on show this series. Always shows grit even though he has a tendency to brain fade.
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Agree. Certainly been impressed by his fighting attitude. The only Saffa who has defended well against our spinners.
 
These are 250-300 run wickets. 215, 79 and 173 happened because the batsmen were either scared or incompetent.
 
India will win match by 200+ runs, S.A wont make double figures on 2nd inns team total.
 
JaDed said:
Relax mate the jinx might backfire.
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Its not a jinx, S.A batsmen are that poor again spin they cant even keep standard deliveries out. Unless AB and Amla all off a sudden play inns of their lives they wont make double figure team score.
 
#GreenRoars said:
I also think some thing wrong gonna happen tomorrow :) But i hope not
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SA always bring out their best when their back is against the wall. When their 9 year away record was threatened in the UAE, they somehow conjured up a fantastic performance in the 2nd test to square the series against Pakistan and kept their record intact. I somehow feel Amla and ABD and the rest will bring out their absolute best and defy India to chase the target. Let's see.
 
street cricketer said:
SA always bring out their best when their back is against the wall. When their 9 year away record was threatened in the UAE, they somehow conjured up a fantastic performance in the 2nd test to square the series against Pakistan and kept their record intact. I somehow feel Amla and ABD and the rest will bring out their absolute best and defy India to chase the target. Let's see.
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That UAE series was possible only because of a couple of ferocious spells upfront by Steyn in Dubai. He bowled much quicker and swung the ball and Tahir then spun his web around pakistan. SA don't have Steyn or a graeme Smith as an opener. Massive diffrence imo.
 
street cricketer said:
SA always bring out their best when their back is against the wall. When their 9 year away record was threatened in the UAE, they somehow conjured up a fantastic performance in the 2nd test to square the series against Pakistan and kept their record intact. I somehow feel Amla and ABD and the rest will bring out their absolute best and defy India to chase the target. Let's see.
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I too have a feeling SA will somehow pull the rabbit out of hat..
 
I would expect SA to pull out a rabbit on another occasion, but not on this wicket. Infact I won't be surprised to see them getting bowled out for 100 again. Getting 309 on this wicket is like chasing 600 on a phatta, you need to produce an ATG knock (something comparable to Dravid-Laxman at Kolkata) to even consider that possibility.
 
IndianWillow said:
I would expect SA to pull out a rabbit on another occasion, but not on this wicket. Infact I won't be surprised to see them getting bowled out for 100 again. Getting 309 on this wicket is like chasing 600 on a phatta, you need to produce an ATG knock (something comparable to Dravid-Laxman at Kolkata) to even consider that possibility.
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I like your confidence :)

I just feel while this pitch is difficult, it's not impossible as it made out to be. Batsman crumbling is more of a psychological factor than anything else
 
Pathetic batting performance by South Africa in India under Amla. They weren't so poor during their last visit to India

By & large SA bowlers did their job. It is not like India have been posting huge totals but South Africans have been struggling to make even 200 in this series!

Amla lacks leadership skills. He may be a good batsman but he is not captaincy material imo

I think SA should make De Villiers both test and ODI captain
 
Some indian fans been ultra defensive here, lets look at reality here S.A would need 2 batsmen to score big 100s to chased this down and only 2 players capable of that are Amla and AB and Amla is woeful out of form, India will win this match with ease, id bet my house on it!
 
Chrish said:
I like your confidence :)

I just feel while this pitch is difficult, it's not impossible as it made out to be. Batsman crumbling is more of a psychological factor than anything else
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The pitch has variable pace, variable bounce and variable turn. Any team that can chase 300 here must feel extremely proud of itself. Someone with Jadeja's pace will be unplayable tomorrow. 150 is a tough enough chase on this wicket. If SA get 200, full credit to them for pressing India hard.
 
You would have said the same thing when SA was bowled out below 100 in match against Australia in 1st inning
 
Some of the above guys are scaring me. LOL.

So I dug in to see how much is it possible from a logical standpoint.

1. The highest chase ever in India has been around 270 odd as someone pointed out. Next highest is 200 odd.
2. But those mean nothing in modern context. So let's look at the trends here.

First innings - India

They were 90/2 and then the 3rd wicket fell and soon they were 120/6 before Jaddu got them to 170/7 and they limped to 200.

Saffers crumbled. Can't see any trends here.

3rd Innings India

Again India was 97/2 before 3rd wicket fell and we got reduced to 120/6 but no jaddu saving this time so 120/7 and some cameo by Rohit and a few runs here and there got us to 170.

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Same trends can be seen in Mohali pitch.

First innings - India 97/3 to 140/6 and then limping to 200.

2nd innings - SA 85/3 to 136/6 before limping to 180.

3rd innings - India went from 161-2 to 200 all out (pitch turned rogue around that time with ball old enough)

4th innings - SA collapsed but did a bit of rebuilding but were 102-6 when pitch turned rogue. 109 all out.

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So as per the trends, its important to cash in before the ball gets old enough (its tough now but will progressively get tougher). Also one issue that goes against SA is that they are amazing to bat out time in those tracks that have eased out. But this is a pitch where its raging turner and its hard to bat out time or go slow in it.

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So what they need is an Amla-ABD-FAF-Duminy combo to really take it to the deep end.Facing 3 different spinners in Ash, Jaddu and Mishra....that's hard.

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So let's see. If India screws this up, it would be the most brutal loss EVER in our history. If SA win this, it would be the greatest win in their history.
 
Chrish said:
You would have said the same thing when SA was bowled out below 100 in match against Australia in 1st inning
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Capetown test? These are conditions in which the Saffers are born and brought up, and their batsmen had the required skill to play on those tough wickets. But this is India, those skills aren't useful here. Unless you have a couple of world class batsmen against spin you have no chance chasing 300 here. If batsmen like Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, Lara,Sanga, YK etc were yet to bat in the game, there is always the chance of winning. Amla is out of form and AB is not known for playing a grinding knock on a turner. Rest of the team is fragile against spin on these wickets.
 
IndianWillow said:
Capetown test? These are conditions in which the Saffers are born and brought up, and their batsmen had the required skill to play on those tough wickets. But this is India, those skills aren't useful here. Unless you have a couple of world class batsmen against spin you have no chance chasing 300 here. If batsmen like Sehwag, Sachin, Dravid, Lara,Sanga, YK etc were yet to bat in the game, there is always the chance of winning. Amla is out of form and AB is not known for playing a grinding knock on a turner. Rest of the team is fragile against spin on these wickets.
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Wasn't directed toward you
 
Ashwin in press conference says there are some areas you can score and some areas you can't.....wicket is slowly getting sluggish and if you defend well its still tough to get through the defense.

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You dopplers better not screw this up. lol.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Some of the above guys are scaring me. LOL.

So I dug in to see how much is it possible from a logical standpoint.

1. The highest chase ever in India has been around 270 odd as someone pointed out. Next highest is 200 odd.
2. But those mean nothing in modern context. So let's look at the trends here.

First innings - India

They were 90/2 and then the 3rd wicket fell and soon they were 120/6 before Jaddu got them to 170/7 and they limped to 200.

Saffers crumbled. Can't see any trends here.

3rd Innings India

Again India was 97/2 before 3rd wicket fell and we got reduced to 120/6 but no jaddu saving this time so 120/7 and some cameo by Rohit and a few runs here and there got us to 170.

----

Same trends can be seen in Mohali pitch.

First innings - India 97/3 to 140/6 and then limping to 200.

2nd innings - SA 85/3 to 136/6 before limping to 180.

3rd innings - India went from 161-2 to 200 all out (pitch turned rogue around that time with ball old enough)

4th innings - SA collapsed but did a bit of rebuilding but were 102-6 when pitch turned rogue. 109 all out.

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So as per the trends, its important to cash in before the ball gets old enough (its tough now but will progressively get tougher). Also one issue that goes against SA is that they are amazing to bat out time in those tracks that have eased out. But this is a pitch where its raging turner and its hard to bat out time or go slow in it.

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So what they need is an Amla-ABD-FAF-Duminy combo to really take it to the deep end.Facing 3 different spinners in Ash, Jaddu and Mishra....that's hard.

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So let's see. If India screws this up, it would be the most brutal loss EVER in our history. If SA win this, it would be the greatest win in their history.
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That is the point. Even if RSA get to 200/2 they are not safe, they can't relax till they hit the goalpost. India can rout them out for another 50 runs on this wicket which won't ease out. As the ball gets older this wicket will be unplayable.
 
What does Indias stock of spin look like? Any impressive ones in domestic ?
 
Junaids said:
Well done India.

I love lively pitches. And India are taking advantage of a mediocre South African team under an unsuitable skipper who is only the skipper because he isn't white.
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What a meaningful contibution.
So a South Afican captain must be white, and all its players too right?
:smh
 
soso_killer said:
What a meaningful contibution.
So a South Afican captain must be white, and all its players too right?
:smh
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His some comments are beyond ridiculous. Criticizing Amla for his captaincy is one thing, but bringing the race card is pathetic.
 
Buffet said:
His some comments are beyond ridiculous. Criticizing Amla for his captaincy is one thing, but bringing the race card is pathetic.
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SA cricket is known for racial quota's..not sure they want a Non white Captain...but its strange they have 3 different captains for different formats, when all 3 play all formats.
 
Chrish said:
What does Indias stock of spin look like? Any impressive ones in domestic ?
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Jayant Yadav. Played in tour game against SA and did well.

Apart from him...Pragyan Ojha.

Rest are developing. Jalax Saxena has been getting results but watching his video...I didn't get the wow factor. But he could develop.
 
dandapinda said:
SA cricket is known for racial quota's..not sure they want a Non white Captain...but its strange they have 3 different captains for different formats, when all 3 play all formats.
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AB is actually the worst captain I have seen from SA. Did I hear anyone saying that he was made captain due to being a white?
 
dandapinda said:
SA cricket is known for racial quota's..not sure they want a Non white Captain...but its strange they have 3 different captains for different formats, when all 3 play all formats.
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Why not have AB as the T20 captain as well then?
Is Faf captain coz he's white? Why not bring that up?
This is the same dude who accused Vern of being a quota player, which is ridiculous. He maybe limited but plays his role in the side. At least before he got injured he played his role in this tour and bowled well in the 1st test.
Vern has been accused of being a "green tack bully" but that doesn't make a quota player
On that basis a guy like Faf who will do well in countries like SA, NZ, Eng and Aus but struggle in Asia is no different to Vern. Why not drop Faf in such conditions or accuse him of being a white benefactor and AB's buddy? That will never happen will it? that's coz some brown men are nothing more than brainless and ignorant farts who feel inferior to whites. That's what Hollywood movies and society tries to teach us from a young age, white is pure and superior anything else is not. How stupid to be trapped in that mindset.
 
Buffet said:
AB is actually the worst captain I have seen from SA. Did I hear anyone saying that he was made captain due to being a white?
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Of course not, they wouldn't dare make such assertions against a person from a 'superior' race.
I would bet 95% of PP members are non white, and would never dare bring such a debate.
Why? Coz they've been taught to be good boys, keep your mouth shut and accept the superior race.
Most grow up thinking white institutions etc are corruption free, I don't.
There is nothing more annoying than adults lap dancing and being puppets to 'masters'. Which is exactly what Junaid is doing, yapping about stuff he knows nothing about and trying to look smart to the minority.
 
South Africa would be lucky to get to 150. Having said that, these pitches have been brutal for batting. Custom made for Indian spin bowling. Man of the series should be the pitch curators. That's what is home advantage is all about.
 
soso_killer said:
Of course not, they wouldn't dare make such assertions against a person from a 'superior' race.
I would bet 95% of PP members are non white, and would never dare bring such a debate.
Why? Coz they've been taught to be good boys, keep your mouth shut and accept the superior race.
Most grow up thinking white institutions etc are corruption free, I don't.
There is nothing more annoying than adults lap dancing and being puppets to 'masters'. Which is exactly what Junaid is doing, yapping about stuff he knows nothing about and trying to look smart to the minority.
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Relax mate.. He is trolling and you are taking the bait
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Jayant Yadav. Played in tour game against SA and did well.

Apart from him...Pragyan Ojha.

Rest are developing. Jalax Saxena has been getting results but watching his video...I didn't get the wow factor. But he could develop.
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I see.. How did ohjas remodeled action go?
 
Slightly unexpected.. not the dismissal itself but the scratchiness
 
The bite that spinners got on the 1st day wicket is largely gone now. Ball is coming at a somewhat comfortable pace to the batsmen and there aren't any vicious spinning deliveries either.

May be its time to try Ishant again for some reverse swing.
 
Amla is slowly getting back his lost form.

Mishra's pace appears to be too slow for this wicket.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
True.

But Amla teaching everyone in the field how to survive and play. Runs are coming for him now.
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Runs would come faster if he had AB's release shots. It takes a lot more determination when you aren't as gifted and continuously defending can get you in a tangle.
 
Just have to be patient. Let the ball get old enough. There will come a point when pitch turns rogue (due to oldish ball).

So need to keep it tight.

Nothing much to it. A bit more flight and guile would be useful.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Runs would come faster if he had AB's release shots. It takes a lot more determination when you aren't as gifted and continuously defending can get you in a tangle.
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I agree. But Amla is trusting his defense here which makes logical sense considering he doesn't have the offensive game like ABD.

Slowly once you get in....run scoring becomes easy. Dravid used to strike in 30s in India most of the 90s.
 
On another note, I hope the Indian batting lineup is watching Amla bat. Soft hands resulting in edges not carrying etc. This is how you bat.
 
are spinners just amazing or pacers just useless?
 
It would be a massive achievement, a moral victory of sorts, if Saffers achieve 50% of the target.

Its impossible wicket to bat on, against quality spin and a hairy, creepy bowler
 
Wicket as eased up quite a bit. Barring Ashwin none seemed effective, this inning.

On the stroke of lunch, Ashwin's back
 
Du Plessis moving his feet well and finally getting down to smother the ball.

You just can't stand still and defend on these pitches. Head still, pick up length, move forward or deep in the crease.
 
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Amla's technique and temperament is excellent in this innings. Batting is not easy at all, he is defending with lot of concentration. He is up for the challenge. Getting forward and meeting the ball under his nose and killing it there. Its not easy to do every ball for hours. Looks like he is listening to Gavaskar on how to play on rank turners. Our players surrender too early in alien conditions. Kudos to Amla, he is truly leading from the front!!
 
This is the way you bat rather than play T-20 here. It's not an unplayable pitch and most batsmen are simply panicking to not trust themselves. Furious with AB here. He should have batted for a period here.
 
From ABD wickets its pretty clear, he was not paying attention to the hand of Ashwin. That is surprising, he is one of the best batsman of this generation, how he cannot read Ashwin from hand. Caram ball has visibly different release, he should have red it.
 
Well....50 more runs and Indians would feel a touch concerned...100 more and they would be jittery.

Good news for India is Ash still looks very threatening. He was taken off from the attack for half the session. Others are threatening in parts. Jaddu not so much.

Rahane should have taken Amla's catch.
 
Just shows the pitch doesnt have demons in it. Modern day batsmen lack the technique to score runs on these kind of surfaces.
 
Well faf is a fourth innings specialist ;) will be the greatest run chase ever but its not possible unfortunately. Dunno if itll reach tea even
 
ChachaCricket said:
Lol the pitch is turning square. The ball couldn't possibly grip more.
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So what? Amla, Vijay, Duminy and Pujara have shown that you can score runs on this pitch if you apply yourself. India should have scored 300 runs in the first innings. Role of pitch has been exaggerated because of ineptness of batsmen from both teams.
 
LastManstanding said:
So what? Amla, Vijay, Duminy and Pujara have shown that you can score runs on this pitch if you apply yourself. India should have scored 300 runs in the first innings. Role of pitch has been exaggerated because of ineptness of batsmen from both teams.
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Yes but the pitch does have 'demons.'
 
Ashwin's control over his flight has been amazing (there is that offspinenr's dip, he gets more often these days). Since OZ tour he has improved leaps and bounds on that aspect of his bowling.
 
ChachaCricket said:
No pitch is unplayable then.
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Even cricinfo reported the turn has been slow pre lunch barring few balls. Only Ashwin got it to really turn consistently. Others got turn but not vicious ones barring the odd balls.

Of course, super hard pitch but not unplayable. When it turns rogue (due to old ball) then it will be unplayable.
 
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