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India's refusal to play Pakistan should cost ranking points

cricketjoshila said:
No team has been docked points like that.Not in a bilateral tournry.Were Aus and Eng docked points for refusing to play in Zim?
So thats not gonna happen.

They should continue to try and hold a series.AFAIK BCCI is trying for a odi series in march end.

Politics will always govern all issues in indopak relations
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Both England and Australia were banned from touring Zimbabwe by their governments not cricket boards. If the Indian government actually bans India from playing then this thread is moot. But if the BCCI refuse to the tour then they should be docked points.
 
Fair point and very justifiable.

I say all of us should start sending emails to Pakistani media outlets to raise this issue. Actually best one would be Indian one "Aaj Tak." They will stir the hek out of it :)))
 
Following Pakistan's tour to India in 2007, it is India's turn to tour Pakistan but Shukla made it clear that a series on neutral territory - where Pakistan have hosted four of their 'home' series since the Lahore attack - is not an option for the moment. "We feel that it is no use if both countries play at a neutral venue. It serves no purpose. If we play, it must be in each other's countries. We have no problems touring Pakistan but first the PCB needs to win the confidence of the ICC and member boards."
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india/content/story/560482.html

Pakistan have played Australia, England, Sri Lanka, West Indies, South Africa, and New Zealand at neutral venues but India has a problem with it?

I think the OP has a great point and I trust this chairman more than Ijaz Butt to make a strong case to the ICC over this.
 
Indians can be rather petulant. If you dont want to play, atleast come out and say so.
 
Lol at this idea. You think BCCI is afraid of that?

If PCB even thinks of proposing that, next thing right away on the meeting agenda will be making FTP completely optional or scrapping it altogether. :P

Never ever try with a bully, you will always end up with a black eye. :46:
 
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Would be fairly straightfoward for the govt to come out and make the ban official, everyone knows there is an implied ban on cricketing ties with Pak. But it ends up undoing whatever good work(if any..) has happened behind the scenes with Zardari's visit and now Ashraf's negotiation to hold it in India.
 
Random Aussie said:
Both England and Australia were banned from touring Zimbabwe by their governments not cricket boards. If the Indian government actually bans India from playing then this thread is moot. But if the BCCI refuse to the tour then they should be docked points.
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What about Bangladesh mayyyte?

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April 2006 to October 2015 - no tests in between?? neither home nor away! :21:

banned by Government of Australia? :)

http://static.icc-cricket.yahoo.net...A9CF9040AF280F792D82DCC_1334658390769_259.pdf
 
Not going to happen, No way, Not happening. The clout that the BCCI has would throw any rational or anti Indian arguments out the window, DRS etc included
 
this is old thread no idea whats the reason behind bump...

Does you guys really think if India docked few points things will ever going to improve? i really not worried about the rankings..

unlike OZ or WI teams of old days now we dont have any single dominant team so this ranking will change hands frequently which make it less appealing

just imo
 
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ozymandias said:
Lol at this idea. You think BCCI is afraid of that?

If PCB even thinks of proposing that, next thing right away on the meeting agenda will be making FTP completely optional or scrapping it altogether. :P

Never ever try with a bully, you will always end up with a black eye. :46:
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Thats the Indian way.

Pakistanis like to tackle the bully in most cases and make it a mess for everybody involved. :)
 
Stewie said:
Thats the Indian way.

Pakistanis like to tackle the bully in most cases and make it a mess for everybody involved. :)
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enter false bravado :facepalm:.. that'd be like a frog "tackling" an elephant, there'd be a mess alright :yk
 
musaarthali said:
this is old thread no idea whats the reason behind bump...

Does you guys really think if India docked few points things will ever going to improve? i really not worried about the rankings..

unlike OZ or WI teams of old days now we dont have any single dominant team so this ranking will change hands frequently which make it less appealing

just imo
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It makes no difference if things improve or not. The point here is simple. Pakistan should not be held back because India is refusing to play. Ranking points should be given to Pakistan so they can climb the ladder. If Pakistan never plays India again it won't change Pakistan's goal of becoming test champions and no.1 ranked team.

BCCI continue to hide the truth, which is their government has ordered them not play a bilateral series because they are trying to sideline Pakistan politically in every which way they can. If a nation wants to be pathetic and mix sport with politics it can but this shouldn't affect the sport itself.
 
So where can PCB arrange the matches?As neutral territory like UAE is out of the question.

If PCB can try arranging matches of Pakistan in India why not hold the homer series versus India in India.
 
Gattuso said:
Would be fairly straightfoward for the govt to come out and make the ban official, everyone knows there is an implied ban on cricketing ties with Pak. But it ends up undoing whatever good work(if any..) has happened behind the scenes with Zardari's visit and now Ashraf's negotiation to hold it in India.
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Isnt that India's problem though? Whether ban or not ban, at the moment Pakistan are due to host India, they have a venue (UAE) and India are refusing to play. Its pretty simple in terms of logic - at this point in time.
 
Random Aussie said:
Are we refusing to play Bangladesh? If we are, then yes we should be docked those points. Your argument fails.
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Not refusing but "postponing" it each time. From 2008 to 2010, to 2015.

Different words, same meaning.
 
Statsman said:
Not refusing but "postponing" it each time. From 2008 to 2010, to 2015.

Different words, same meaning.
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And if we are refusing to play Bangladesh and they want to make an issue out of it, we should lose the ranking points.

I already said that.

What exactly is your point?
 
Random Aussie said:
Isnt that India's problem though? Whether ban or not ban, at the moment Pakistan are due to host India, they have a venue (UAE) and India are refusing to play. Its pretty simple in terms of logic - at this point in time.
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i think someone pointed it out.UAE is banned for India by Indian govt.
 
Random Aussie said:
And if we are refusing to play Bangladesh and they want to make an issue out of it, we should lose the ranking points.

I already said that.

What exactly is your point?
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Ya fine I know you said that, was just pointing out that India is not the only country which is doing this. :)
 
Statsman said:
Ya fine I know you said that, was just pointing out that India is not the only country which is doing this. :)
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We don't play the Desh for commercial reasons, nobody wants to watch us play them. The Desh don't argue with that.

Not the same at all. India Pak has venues, massive interest and India are currently refusing to play. Points should be surrendered to Pakistan they are ready to play.
 
I agree with RA on this one.. can't make them pay for damages honestly. I don't give a crap about rankings either but the truth is that the Test Championship is something that the ICC are serious about introducing and if it happens based on rankings, Pakistan suffers. So as far as rankings are concerned, India should be notified and given a chance to adjust their schedule and fulfill their commitment, otherwise forfeit.

Sensible post by OP; most will agree.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Actually.the govt. asked Bcci to avoid UAE altogether after India played cpl of matches in abu dhabi.
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Havent the Indian goverment suggested stopping all bi-lateral cricket tours with Pakistan for the moment?
 
Indiafan said:
Havent the Indian goverment suggested stopping all bi-lateral cricket tours with Pakistan for the moment?
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Suggested is not banned. If the indian government bans them from playing then that is that.

At the moment there is no ban, therefore India are obligated to play.

Pakistan have the venues to host the tour outside Pakistan, India have no valid reason to refuse the series IMO. There is massive commercial appeal in the series so losing money isnt an issue. Play or forfeit.
 
Can I ask a question (am too young to know)- wasn't a similar tactic employed in the Cold War re:sports? Trying to isolate another country?
 
Random Aussie said:
Suggested is not banned. If the indian government bans them from playing then that is that.

At the moment there is no ban, therefore India are obligated to play.

Pakistan have the venues to host the tour outside Pakistan, India have no valid reason to refuse the series IMO. There is massive commercial appeal in the series so losing money isnt an issue. Play or forfeit.
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Hear hear!

India shouldn't have a holier than thou attitude. Personally, I like India's cricket team and have given them a lot of respect since Ganguly became their captain.

Their tactics are quite baffling when the Pakistani players can play in World Series Hockey (and Pak umpires are in IPL) yet India do not play Pakistan in test series.

Either their government has banned them (which it does not appear to have) or they are being plain daft. They can still play in multi-national tournaments (if they had a stand, then surely they should forfeit those games too).

RA has a point.
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

When Inzamam walked off the pitch at the Oval, the match was automatically forfeited in England's favour as a punishment for refusing to participate. This result stood as such even though it was Hair that was ultimately reprimanded.

Should India be reprimanded for persistent stance on refusal to play Pakistan in Test cricket, irrespective of the reasoning behind it? Should Pakistan be "awarded" an automatic 3-0 win in Tests?
 
Kiddish reasoning . You cannot penalize any one for a non event .
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

There is no sound sporting reason why India isn't playing Pakistan. It's akin to walking off the pitch. In football that's an immediate 5-0 defeat, in cricket it's a forfeited result. The unchanged Indian stance penalises cricket fans worldwide, the cricketers themselves, as well as sponsors etc Perhaps the threat of a 3-0 forfeit damaging their ranking would force them to play.
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

I should add, this is not unprecedented in Sport. In 1996-97, Middlesborough FC were unable to field a team against Blackburn due to player shortages. They forfeited the game and lost the points and were relegated that season.
 
Yes. If any team refuses to play unless it's due to safety reasons, they should be docked with penalty points. I am not sure how much this penalty point will change behavior in world cricket. Many teams have refused to play cricket due to non-safety reasons in past.
 
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Totally reasonable.

Either India play Pakistan in Pakistan or agree to play in a 3rd country.
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

India are refusing to invite Pakistan or play at a neutral venue. That is akin to refusing to play without, what is apparent, a valid reason. Is that a forfeit worth a 3-0 defeat?
 
MenInG said:
Totally reasonable.

Either India play Pakistan in Pakistan or agree to play in a 3rd country.
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That's not reasonable at all. Playing in Pakistan should not be even an option for any team. Pakistan is not in position to provide safety to visiting teams.

Pakistan should simply ask everyone to play in 3rd country for the next 3-4 years.
 
India will not visit Pakistan and UAE is a banned venue by the Govt. of India.So unless Pakistan can find a third venue i dont see a series.
 
The Thrifty Doosra said:
India are refusing to invite Pakistan or play at a neutral venue. That is akin to refusing to play without, what is apparent, a valid reason. Is that a forfeit worth a 3-0 defeat?
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UAE is a banned venue for India by the Govt of India.So BCCI cannot play there.
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

cricketjoshila said:
India will not visit Pakistan and UAE is a banned venue by the Govt. of India.So unless Pakistan can find a third venue i dont see a series.
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That still doesn't explain why they won't invite Pakistan for Tests. They finally did so for ODI, so why not tests?
 
indeed a very good idea, if one country refuses to play other even in some other country they should be penalized
 
MenInG said:
Totally reasonable.

Either India play Pakistan in Pakistan or agree to play in a 3rd country.
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Miggy , please list the last 5 international teams who played in PK in last 3 years .
 
MenInG said:
Totally reasonable.

Either India play Pakistan in Pakistan or agree to play in a 3rd country.
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Is there an ICC rule regarding teams playing each other or on where such bilateral series should be held?

AFAIK, ICC doesn't play a role in scheduling of bilateral series.
 
Pretty sure if Pakistan hadn't messed up their relation with ECB, we could've seen an India vs Pakistan in England.
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

Ok even if Pakistan is not an option just now, why not in India or another neutral venue?? Why has not one sledger above been able to give an answer?!
 
The Thrifty Doosra said:
When Inzamam walked off the pitch at the Oval, the match was automatically forfeited in England's favour as a punishment for refusing to participate. This result stood as such even though it was Hair that was ultimately reprimanded.

Should India be reprimanded for persistent stance on refusal to play Pakistan in Test cricket, irrespective of the reasoning behind it? Should Pakistan be "awarded" an automatic 3-0 win in Tests?
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Try making PCB speak the same words & the mighty BCCICC will arm twist cricketing world & force them to not play with Pakistan :P
 
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Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

What would happen in the Future Tours programme? If anyone refused to play would that result in a forfeit?
 
India never refused to play Pakistan in an ICC event or multi-nation tournament like ASIA CUP...so ur THREAD doesn't have any sense .... A bilateral series or tri-nation tournament is done under mutual understanding btw participating countries ....
So no one can force India too ....
 
The Thrifty Doosra said:
I'm not sure if you know, (but seems like you don't from your comment) Pakistan actually played an ODI and T20 series in India in January.
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& probably wat u dunno is dat , "India squeezed in a week" inbetween a home series against England ,to accommodate the series with Pakistan ..
Check if u want ... Immediately after TEST series with England,they went back for Christmas break ..then returned back after 10 days to resume with the ODI series .... :msd
V r/were jam packed ... No doubt any more I guess ?
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

No the reason YOU gave for the refusal to play was some jazz about security. Clearly that's not an issue else that series wouldn't have happened at all. The refusal to play TESTS is something else altogether.
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

They only refused to play IN Pakistan, not refusal to play at all like India. Pakistan did play a full series in Bangladesh. And even in Sri Lanka.
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

Unless someone comes up with some up with a decent plausible explanation, the conclusion must be that the decision is unjustified and thus tantamounts to a refusal to play. In any other sport that would be interpreted as a forfeit.
 
The Thrifty Doosra said:
Unless someone comes up with some up with a decent plausible explanation, the conclusion must be that the decision is unjustified and thus tantamounts to a refusal to play. In any other sport that would be interpreted as a forfeit.
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please explain me one thing.

how is refusing to play = forfeit if an event hasn't even been scheduled?
 
http://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/46683/

"The Board of Control for Cricket in India has sent a letter to Zaka Ashraf inviting him to visit India in the first week of December where bilateral cricket ties between the two countries will be discussed," PCB chief operating officer Subhan Ahmad said....
 
Should India get penalty points for refusing to play Pakistan?

And the progress on that?? That news is so out of date , Zaka Ashraf isn't even the Chairman any more!
 
The Thrifty Doosra said:
And if that happens, then great, I'll be a happy cricket fan. But based on the past , there is a strong possibility it won't. Then what? Will it then be a forfeit?
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which past are you talking about? didn't they play an ODI series very recently against Pak? If an ODI series can happen, so can the test series in the near future.
 
The Thrifty Doosra said:
And if that happens, then great, I'll be a happy cricket fan. But based on the past , there is a strong possibility it won't. Then what? Will it then be a forfeit?
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You seem too desperate for easy points. Give it a break dude. Pakistan toured India in Jan, and there is no reason they can't tour India next year.

Tours did not happen earlier, because believe it or not, situation was such that majority of Indians did not want Pakistan to tour India. Even I was one of them. It's not the same now, and Pakistan's tour to India earlier this year is a proof of that.

Unless you can see the future, this thread is utterly pointless from every way possible,
 
Good point, i think the ICC needs to enforce a rule that the top 5/6 teams must meet atleast once every 4 years.
If both teams have not played each other in a 4 year cycle you make them play 4 Tests.
(this means the ICC will need to have a say in the scheduling of bilateral tours going forward. India, England and Australia cant play each other every other year thats ridiculous)

I see no reason for India not to host Pakistan, after all they just played meaningless ODI's last December. Pakistan can host India at a neutral venue or 3rd venue. There are lots of Pakistan and Indian supporters in South Africa. We'll be more than happy to bail them out.The time zone will not be much of an issue as well.
Sport fixing will not be tolerated though not on our yard.
 
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soso_killer said:
good point, i think the icc needs to enforce a rule that the top 5/6 teams must meet atleast once every 4 years.
If both teams have not played each other in a 4 year cycle you make them play 4 tests.
(this means the icc will need to have a say in the scheduling of bilateral tours going forward. India, england and australia cant play each other every other year thats ridiculous)

i see no reason for india not to host pakistan, after all they just played meaningless odi's last december. Pakistan can host india at a neutral venue or 3rd venue. There are lots of pakistan and indian supporters in south africa. We'll be more than happy to bail them out.the time zone will not be much of an issue as well.
sport fixing will not be tolerated though not on our yard.
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soso_killer said:
Good point, i think the ICC needs to enforce a rule that the top 5/6 teams must meet atleast once every 4 years.
If both teams have not played each other in a 4 year cycle you make them play 4 Tests.
(this means the ICC will need to have a say in the scheduling of bilateral tours going forward. India, England and Australia cant play each other every other year thats ridiculous)

I see no reason for India not to host Pakistan, after all they just played meaningless ODI's last December. Pakistan can host India at a neutral venue or 3rd venue. There are lots of Pakistan and Indian supporters in South Africa. We'll be more than happy to bail them out.The time zone will not be much of an issue as well.
Sport fixing will not be tolerated though not on our yard.
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This looks good.Pakistan will tour India i guess,but i wont be surprised if the next PCB President suddenly asks India to tour first.And then we can forget about all this.

SA will be a good place to tour.Next IPL may be played there as well,if the Lorgat saga is resolved.

Btw i requested you to visit the Football leagues section and see if you can participate.
 
The Thrifty Doosra said:
Poor excuse. Lots of countries have been at war with each other yet maintained sporting ties: West Germany for example, won the world cup in 1954, less than a decade after world war II.

Disappointing that a fan of cricket would be happy to NOT to see such a brilliant contest.
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Trust me my friend I am as eager to see an Ind - Pak series as you are..but current situation is just not right. Hopefully after election in India next year, things might change.
 
India will be the first to visit Pakistan when you will have a respectable board and decent security situation.
 
cricketjoshila said:
This looks good.Pakistan will tour India i guess,but i wont be surprised if the next PCB President suddenly asks India to tour first.And then we can forget about all this.

SA will be a good place to tour.Next IPL may be played there as well,if the Lorgat saga is resolved.

Btw i requested you to visit the Football leagues section and see if you can participate.
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i already replied mate
 
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