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Is Bangladesh really the second best team in Asia?

Even at their very best form they are not a good T20 side. They don't have the ingredients even with their best players to succeed consistenty well in T20. But in one dayers they have a decent side.
 
This series will prove that in t20 format, not only is Bangladesh second best in asia currently but possibly even 1st. Also goes to show the flaws in t20 team rankings

Bangladesh possibly the best in Asia? I mean, really? :shezzy
 
Pak vs BD is a close call. Whoever wins the toss and bat's first will win. Neither can chase. In limited overs cricket BD have the better and more experienced batting line up, while Pakistans bowling is better by far.
 
Pak vs BD is a close call. Whoever wins the toss and bat's first will win. Neither can chase. In limited overs cricket BD have the better and more experienced batting line up, while Pakistans bowling is better by far.
Bangladesh are better chasers with rahim and mahmudullah.
Its just that Bangladesh bottle up against India.
 
If Pakistan gets back its "real" home games and gets to play more against India, I think it can definitely become a stronger team than Bangladesh! Its just the interest & rhythm that's lost! Bangladesh have a long way to go to become that formidable (at least 5 to 10 years till they develop a lot of talent pool, bench strength & varieties!)
 
India B team without Bumrah, Kohli, bhuvi, pandya defeated this so called 2nd best team in Asia
 
India B team without Bumrah, Kohli, bhuvi, pandya defeated this so called 2nd best team in Asia

Bangladesh played without Tamim, Shakib, Sabbir, and Saifuddin. Both sides fielded B teams.

Having said that, Bangladesh is definitely not second best in Asia.
 
Bangladesh played without Tamim, Shakib, Sabbir, and Saifuddin. Both sides fielded B teams.

Having said that, Bangladesh is definitely not second best in Asia.
Tamim would have made this side weaker.
Shakib deserved to be left out .
Only Saifuddin is quality.
 
Can any other asian team dismiss Kohli for a second ball duck in his own backyard? Highly doubt it.
 
what is big deal ?pakistan have not played any test series in india last 12 year while sl pacer lakmal have done it in 2017 test series in india.:yk

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thats not a second ball duck :P, if you had read my comment properly, i did say second-ball duck, not just any duck, although golden duck would obviously be even more impressive
 
thats not a second ball duck :P, if you had read my comment properly, i did say second-ball duck, not just any duck, although golden duck would obviously be even more impressive

what a absurd logic .What does a second ball duck or 11 back duck makes any difference? though the above scorecard test match was drawn by sl while your team far from drawing the test let alone winning
 
what a absurd logic .What does a second ball duck or 11 back duck makes any difference? though the above scorecard test match was drawn by sl while your team far from drawing the test let alone winning

Firstly difference between 2nd ball and 11 ball duck is clearly that second one lasted more deliveries. Secondly, just to expose your bias against Bangladesh: "Only 11.5 overs were bowled on day 1 and 21 overs on day 2 due to rain and bad light. Play also ended early on days 3, 4 and 5 due to bad light." You really think Sri Lanka could have got 155 more runs with only 3 wickets remaining against India? Not to forget India declared second innings early with kohli still not out on 104 to try to force some result. You have clearly jumped over these facts just to try to belittle bangladesh.
 
Firstly difference between 2nd ball and 11 ball duck is clearly that second one lasted more deliveries. Secondly, just to expose your bias against Bangladesh: "Only 11.5 overs were bowled on day 1 and 21 overs on day 2 due to rain and bad light. Play also ended early on days 3, 4 and 5 due to bad light." You really think Sri Lanka could have got 155 more runs with only 3 wickets remaining against India? Not to forget India declared second innings early with kohli still not out on 104 to try to force some result. You have clearly jumped over these facts just to try to belittle bangladesh.

which law in cricket state that 11 ball duck is different from 2nd ball duck ?:))):)) both are same in cricket rule and you would have any point if that dismissal was changing the complex of match which it is clearly not .

You can fool any other person but not me who knows the result of each test match in that series .They also draw last test match fair and square so please don,t downgrade other team success when your team can barely won a seasion in entire test match

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please don.t disrespect sl test side they are far superior than bd and pakistan who recently won a test series in sa which not a single asian team could do in their entire history
 
which law in cricket state that 11 ball duck is different from 2nd ball duck ?:))):)) both are same in cricket rule and you would have any point if that dismissal was changing the complex of match which it is clearly not .

You can fool any other person but not me who knows the result of each test match in that series .They also draw last test match fair and square so please don,t downgrade other team success when your team can barely won a seasion in entire test match

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please don.t disrespect sl test side they are far superior than bd and pakistan who recently won a test series in sa which not a single asian team could do in their entire history

First I am not disrespecting Sri Lankan test side, I am huge fan of Sri Lankan cricket and loved to see how they annihilated Pakistan and South Africa in their own backyards by whitewashing them in test series. I have literally just exposed your bias against bangladesh cricket in my previous comment and would not like to indulge in further discussion with you. Accepting the achievements of Bangladesh cricket clearly hurts your ego, but thats okay, because you are not the only one in that position.
 
They (U19s) deserved it

Congrats
 
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This BD u19 team is top class, they probably have a better bowling attack than their national team, very disciplined and methodical in approach.
 
2nd best after India in terms of producing talented batsmen, it is just their fast bowling is a disappointment.
 
The batsmen were demolished by Pakistan’s mediocre attack tho

You were unlucky not to see PAK batting on that track - would have been a treat to watch.

That day, there was another game scheduled in same town, 1.5 KM away .... and that was called off within 30 minutes; but ICC tried it's best to start this game for the expectations - and there were at least 4 stop-start. I am not sure if you had seen BD batting in two KO games - do you really think this batting line-up would be blown away by the same PAK attack we saw against India, if the condition wasn't almost unplayable?
 
You were unlucky not to see PAK batting on that track - would have been a treat to watch.

That day, there was another game scheduled in same town, 1.5 KM away .... and that was called off within 30 minutes; but ICC tried it's best to start this game for the expectations - and there were at least 4 stop-start. I am not sure if you had seen BD batting in two KO games - do you really think this batting line-up would be blown away by the same PAK attack we saw against India, if the condition wasn't almost unplayable?

Were the conditions as difficult as 105/9 reflect? As said in another thread congrats on BD reaching the finals but this is pretty poor excuse from you.
 
Were the conditions as difficult as 105/9 reflect? As said in another thread congrats on BD reaching the finals but this is pretty poor excuse from you.

Thanks, for congrats.

What excuse - I actually haven't even tried to give one. You missed my first line in that post - the condition could have been even more difficult than 106/9 - you could only know that if PAK batted on that track on same day. Your No. 3 gave a good glimpse of the batting .... and I hope you did watch BD's No. 3 yesterday.

That's why, they say wait for both innings on a track. You have been in cricket long enough and have seen BD batting, and PAK bowling as well against AFGs & IND - if you think, that 106/9 was for the bowling pace & talent of PAK bowlers - then surely everything must be in place for PAK cricket. I have seen BD boys batting in two games, particularly against 3 SAF pacers batting first on same track - enough for me.
 
Thanks, for congrats.

What excuse - I actually haven't even tried to give one. You missed my first line in that post - the condition could have been even more difficult than 106/9 - you could only know that if PAK batted on that track on same day. Your No. 3 gave a good glimpse of the batting .... and I hope you did watch BD's No. 3 yesterday.

That's why, they say wait for both innings on a track. You have been in cricket long enough and have seen BD batting, and PAK bowling as well against AFGs & IND - if you think, that 106/9 was for the bowling pace & talent of PAK bowlers - then surely everything must be in place for PAK cricket. I have seen BD boys batting in two games, particularly against 3 SAF pacers batting first on same track - enough for me.

Even the great batting lineups in history of cricket faltered on occasions, for an U19 team to falter doesnt need extreme situations to become a reality. Same is the case with Pak bowlers, one match shouldnt define them.

Anyways, no point in discussing this. BD batting has been doing well throughout and good luck to the boys for the finals.
 
Impressed with Bangladeshi talent, I hope they are able to turn them into players that can actually perform. Litton Das is a good talent but he can't convert into runs. Talent is not Bangladesh's problem unlike SRL where none of their u19 players looked liked they ever deserved to be there. I hope Bangladesh in few years becomes what Pakistan and Srilanka of 90s and 80s were.
 
Impressed with Bangladeshi talent, I hope they are able to turn them into players that can actually perform. Litton Das is a good talent but he can't convert into runs. Talent is not Bangladesh's problem unlike SRL where none of their u19 players looked liked they ever deserved to be there. I hope Bangladesh in few years becomes what Pakistan and Srilanka of 90s and 80s were.

They are feisty. They have to learn the rat of batting for hours. That can happen only in domestic.
 
2nd best after India in terms of producing talented batsmen, it is just their fast bowling is a disappointment.

Hahahaha, really!!!
Why did'nt they select one for the Pakistan series? They must have one player who have good defence and ability to wait out the good bowlers and score.

On this Rawalpindi pitch they played horrendous cricket. Extremely shocked and disappointed.
 
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2nd best after India in terms of producing talented batsmen, it is just their fast bowling is a disappointment.

Can you give us the name of some of these talented batsmen who have done well.
 
It is quite evident when you have to depend on Hafeez and Malik for T20 series

No idea what they have got to do with talented batsmen from Bangladesh. Please name us some talented batsmens from Bangladesh?
 
No idea what they have got to do with talented batsmen from Bangladesh. Please name us some talented batsmens from Bangladesh?

Wait for some time. It takes times for a garden to prosper:faf
 
Wait for some time. It takes times for a garden to prosper:faf

You said they are second best team producing batting talent. Surely they must have produced some? Name few. You have digged yourself a whole hence saying wait for some time. Anything can change is future no denying that. Name few please?
 
You said they are second best team producing batting talent. Surely they must have produced some? Name few. You have digged yourself a whole hence saying wait for some time. Anything can change is future no denying that. Name few please?

Forget about producing Kohlis, Smiths. They are yet to produce players who can match their own 2007 world cup batch players. They are still the best in the team. Their first goal should be to produce batsmen better than Shakib, Tamim, Rahim. I thought Mominul was turning a new page. It was not to be.
 
I don't think the second best team in Asia would put a performance like this in the scorebooks. Shocking
 
This thread was made quite a while ago (back when BD was doing better than this). It has become an irrelevant thread now.

Truth be told, BD are probably behind Afghanistan right now. That's how much things have fallen.
 
Tests and t20
India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh

Odi
Swap afghans and Bangladesh
 
Their Test ranking is #9, ODI ranking is #7, T20 ranking is #9

Why does such a thread exist?

21st September 2018 --> this was the date when thread was created. Different time and different scenario. Question is why are you digging up 2 years old thread?
 
21st September 2018 --> this was the date when thread was created. Different time and different scenario. Question is why are you digging up 2 years old thread?

They weren't really world-beaters back then either tbh
 
Their Test ranking is #9, ODI ranking is #7, T20 ranking is #9

Why does such a thread exist?

This thread exits because few trolls bump it time to time - often when BD loses a game and today is for opposite reason.

This thread was created on 21st Sep 2018, the day AFGs won a dead rubber .... and if you go through the first pages, it was created for a purpose .... until God decided to put a spanner in the trolling on 26th.

And, this thread might live for long for either of the reasons - the day BD plays or the day PAK plays. Someone has learned to live in PP style.
 
They weren't really world-beaters back then either tbh

It was a period when Pakistan and SL were struggling. I am referring to 2015 to 2018. Pakistan were actually behind BD in ODI ranking for like a year or so.

BD are now #4 or #5 in Asia but they were definitely at least #3 during that period. SL were so bad that they even lost an ODI series at home against Zimbabwe.
 
They weren't really world-beaters back then either tbh

Not world-beaters but also weren't a pushover. BD achieved these things during that period:

- Drawing Test series against a full-strength Aussie side at home (1-1).
- Drawing Test series against a full-strength England side at home (1-1).
- Drawing an away Test series against a full-strength SL side in SL (1-1).
- Beating Pakistan (3-0), India (2-1), and South Africa (2-1) at home in ODI.
- Drawing Test series against a full-strength South Africa side at home (0-0).
- Reaching finals of Asia Cup 2016 and Asia Cup 2018.
- Reaching semi-final of CT 2017.

As you can see, it was a period when we did much better and we were definitely not pushovers (specially at home). So, this thread was fine at that time but not fine now.
 
Not world-beaters but also weren't a pushover. BD achieved these things during that period:

- Drawing Test series against a full-strength Aussie side at home (1-1).
- Drawing Test series against a full-strength England side at home (1-1).
- Drawing an away Test series against a full-strength SL side in SL (1-1).
- Beating Pakistan (3-0), India (2-1), and South Africa (2-1) at home in ODI.
- Drawing Test series against a full-strength South Africa side at home (0-0).
- Reaching finals of Asia Cup 2016 and Asia Cup 2018.
- Reaching semi-final of CT 2017.

As you can see, it was a period when we did much better and we were definitely not pushovers (specially at home). So, this thread was fine at that time but not fine now.

Fair play to you for giving proper evidence for your claim.
Most people don’t bother.
So respect to you for that.

I’d say around that time, Pakistan and BD were probably joint 2nd and after the 2018 asia cup, i think BD were slightly ahead
 
Fair play to you for giving proper evidence for your claim.
Most people don’t bother.
So respect to you for that.

I’d say around that time, Pakistan and BD were probably joint 2nd and after the 2018 asia cup, i think BD were slightly ahead

Thanks. I try to write based on facts and not emotions.

I say Pakistan were ahead of BD in Test but BD were probably slightly ahead in LOI. I am only referring to the period from 2015 to 2018 and not any other period.
 
Thanks. I try to write based on facts and not emotions.

I say Pakistan were ahead of BD in Test but BD were probably slightly ahead in LOI. I am only referring to the period from 2015 to 2018 and not any other period.


Yeah nicely put. I however believe that was purple patch. Current BD team at full strength is lot stronger. Once BD find those pace bowlers they are looking for, they will look much better.

Problem is BD players have poor work ethic. Someone always goes on vacation. In contrast, look at Kholi. He even plays silly T20 match and gives his 100 percent.
 
If anything, the manner of Pakistan's recent victories over Bangladesh in all formats shows how far the Pakistan team has come up - from the time this thread was created.

Sterner tests remain - but a lot of credit has to go to everyone associated with the team including, and I hesitate to say it but will - PCB.

Let's see what happens when Pakistan tour SENA.
 
Not sure where he is getting this confidence from? Even their best players are wrong side of 30s now and won nothing. Darker days are ahead once Shakib and Co decide to retire.

His confidence is from his country's economy. Economic success will give rise to sporting success. That's what he says.
 
The ranking among Asian teams is:-

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Pakistan

The same guy who also rates Mohammad Yousuf to be equal to Mohammad Azharuddin.

You view cricket differently mate.
 
Bangladesh seemed to be improving back when their golden generation was clicking and they also had some U-19 success.

It is perplexing how a cricket loving nation should be so poor at the game. Time and time again their patient fans are let down.

The way Bangladesh played today was like how Habibul Bashar and co would play when they first started playing test match cricket. The team seems to have gone back to square one.

But they are a growing economy and massive supporters of Pakistani cricket. They can be a real ally for us in the game. I hope for some more links to develop between Pakistan Cricket and Bangladesh Cricket, perhaps even some small scale cross over between the PSL and BPL.
 
His confidence is from his country's economy. Economic success will give rise to sporting success. That's what he says.

Does it? Is he implying Bangladesh economy is 100 times worst than Pakistan right now? that they folded in 2 days at home against them? There resources are so bad compared to Pakistan that they have such bad head to head numbers against Pakistan?
 
We are storming ahead of India in economic terms as well. Miles ahead of India now in per capita income.

You have folded in 2 days at home, how bad is your economy currently? how bad are your cricketing resource compare to Pakistan? stop embarrassing yourself and admit Pakistan has out played Bangladesh and is a miles better team.
 
Better economy= 152-0 as well.

The most ridiculous argument ever lol.
 
We are storming ahead of India in economic terms as well. Miles ahead of India now in per capita income.

I wouldn't say miles ahead:srt

But yeah, Bangladesh should have a higher per capita income than India in the longer run. India has more than 8 times the population of Bangladesh and therefore that much more poor people to pull out of poverty than BD. So the smaller countries would usually end up having a higher gdp per capita compared to the really big countries, unless they're really failing.

India has regions that are richer than Bangladesh, like south India, west India, Punjab, Haryana, etc., but it also has regions that are much poorer than Bangladesh (northern belt and eastern India). So the average per capita would be near to the median value of all these states which is slightly lesser than Bangladesh's.
 
I wouldn't say miles ahead:srt

But yeah, Bangladesh should have a higher per capita income than India in the longer run. India has more than 8 times the population of Bangladesh and therefore that much more poor people to pull out of poverty than BD. So the smaller countries would usually end up having a higher gdp per capita compared to the really big countries, unless they're really failing.

India has regions that are richer than Bangladesh, like south India, west India, Punjab, Haryana, etc., but it also has regions that are much poorer than Bangladesh (northern belt and eastern India). So the average per capita would be near to the median value of all these states which is slightly lesser than Bangladesh's.

None of the subcontinental countries are likely to become first world countries in our life time so not sure whats the point of bringing economies into this. domestic leagues yes we can talk about it but national team?
 
You have folded in 2 days at home, how bad is your economy currently? how bad are your cricketing resource compare to Pakistan? stop embarrassing yourself and admit Pakistan has out played Bangladesh and is a miles better team.

I am projecting long term here. How will Pakistan compete with us when only Chittagong has more wealth than Pakistan?

As for India, they took aid from Kenya so cannot talk here either.
 
None of the subcontinental countries are likely to become first world countries in our life time so not sure whats the point of bringing economies into this. domestic leagues yes we can talk about it but national team?

He kept saying that economic success would lead to sporting success, which is not entirely wrong btw. When you have more money, you can invest more in sports, training and infrastructure, and would lead to more success. But the issue is BD isn't translating its success in economy to success in sport. The poster here says BD has a tiger economy but it plays like it has the economy of Sudan.
 
I am projecting long term here. How will Pakistan compete with us when only Chittagong has more wealth than Pakistan?

As for India, they took aid from Kenya so cannot talk here either.

You are embarrassing other Bangladeshi fans.

Economy is not the only thing that makes a sport team better. If that was the case, China or USA could've been #1 in cricket.
 
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I am projecting long term here. How will Pakistan compete with us when only Chittagong has more wealth than Pakistan?

As for India, they took aid from Kenya so cannot talk here either.

Are you going to somehow buy World class cricketers? You have enough money and resources to cultivate them now. The future, rich Bangladeshi player will not suddenly grow up to become big and strong like the South Africans, English, Australians and the Kiwis. It hasn’t enabled India to produce Athletic specimens like that either even though the IPL is over 10 years old. India have used the money to make their own resources better to produce more skillful and fitter cricketers as compared to those in the past.

And cricket inflation doesn’t work like that. If Bangladesh will become richer and more able to invest in its structure, you can bet Pakistan will not remain static in its own development. Until and only until you do not improve the standard of your domestic cricket through ‘skill’ and not through severe investment, until then Pakistan will keep sending a Qaid e Azam wickets chart topper into Bangladesh to run through the side and make a name for himself in world cricket.

Cricket. Focus on cricket only pal. Money is just there to fill up the pockets of those who will take you for a joy ride until your cricket isn’t good enough.
 
He kept saying that economic success would lead to sporting success, which is not entirely wrong btw. When you have more money, you can invest more in sports, training and infrastructure, and would lead to more success. But the issue is BD isn't translating its success in economy to success in sport. The poster here says BD has a tiger economy but it plays like it has the economy of Sudan.

You need a sporting culture first. Bangladesh doesn't have it. Ind/Pak had hockey, sprinting, amateur wrestling and various other sports since early 1900s. Players don't know what it means to win. It's not just 1 match, it's the desire to win every match. Since Bangladesh never had success in any sport, fans are happy even if team wins a match once a year.
 
I am projecting long term here. How will Pakistan compete with us when only Chittagong has more wealth than Pakistan?

As for India, they took aid from Kenya so cannot talk here either.

He kept saying that economic success would lead to sporting success, which is not entirely wrong btw. When you have more money, you can invest more in sports, training and infrastructure, and would lead to more success. But the issue is BD isn't translating its success in economy to success in sport. The poster here says BD has a tiger economy but it plays like it has the economy of Sudan.

You must be joking or trolling? By your theory Bangladesh currently playing like a failed state country with an economy of a war torn country.
 
I don't know why people keep bragging about the Bangladeshi economy - yes, they've made many strides and have a relatively better economy than other South Asian countries but it's just relative and their economic growth is based off exports like garments and agrilcutural stuff, Bangladesh isn't some high value exporter like Japan and South Korea that exports automobiles, electronics, microchips etc nor are they an exporter of a high value natural resource like Oil and minerals the way Kuwait and Australia are, so their economic growth is not that impressive in that sense and it makes sense why it hasn't translated into success in professional sports. Bangladesh is on the right path though but even then it's gonna take them another decade or two to be close what Vietnam and Thailand are right now and neither of those countries are anywhere near Japan and China economically.
 
I don't know why people keep bragging about the Bangladeshi economy - yes, they've made many strides and have a relatively better economy than other South Asian countries but it's just relative and their economic growth is based off exports like garments and agrilcutural stuff, Bangladesh isn't some high value exporter like Japan and South Korea that exports automobiles, electronics, microchips etc nor are they an exporter of a high value natural resource like Oil and minerals the way Kuwait and Australia are, so their economic growth is not that impressive in that sense and it makes sense why it hasn't translated into success in professional sports. Bangladesh is on the right path though but even then it's gonna take them another decade or two to be close what Vietnam and Thailand are right now and neither of those countries are anywhere near Japan and China economically.

It's a coping mechanism for the fans. Money can't make better players; you need to setup a proper infrastructure first. Pakistan/Ind/Sl all have established school and first-class cricket unlike Bangladesh. Since the team can't win a single match, economy is the only thing to brag about.
 
It's a coping mechanism for the fans. Money can't make better players; you need to setup a proper infrastructure first. Pakistan/Ind/Sl all have established school and first-class cricket unlike Bangladesh. Since the team can't win a single match, economy is the only thing to brag about.

I don't know why people keep bragging about the Bangladeshi economy - yes, they've made many strides and have a relatively better economy than other South Asian countries but it's just relative and their economic growth is based off exports like garments and agrilcutural stuff, Bangladesh isn't some high value exporter like Japan and South Korea that exports automobiles, electronics, microchips etc nor are they an exporter of a high value natural resource like Oil and minerals the way Kuwait and Australia are, so their economic growth is not that impressive in that sense and it makes sense why it hasn't translated into success in professional sports. Bangladesh is on the right path though but even then it's gonna take them another decade or two to be close what Vietnam and Thailand are right now and neither of those countries are anywhere near Japan and China economically.

I agree with you.

Bragging about economy in a cricket forum is illogical. Economy is not related to sports.

China is a pretty rich country but they suck at all major sports. Money can't make you a better team. Skills and good system do.
 
Well this thread has certainly aged well.

Think the time when this thread was created make sense. BD had whitewashed Pak in 2015 home series, beaten SL & Pak to reach Asia cup final 2016, beat Afg & Pak in 2018 Asia cup etc. Though they could never breach the fortness named India but was beating other Asian sides pretty regularly in 2015-2018 period.

Mashrafe's retiement has derailed their cricket and Pakistan cricket only improved post Sarfraz Ahmed being removed. So current Pakistan team has left Bangladesh to the dust but at the time when this thread was created - MADE SENSE :shakib
 
Tests

India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Afghans
Bangladesh

Odi/t20
Pakistan
India
Sri Lanka
Afghans
Bangladesh
 
Think the time when this thread was created make sense. BD had whitewashed Pak in 2015 home series, beaten SL & Pak to reach Asia cup final 2016, beat Afg & Pak in 2018 Asia cup etc. Though they could never breach the fortness named India but was beating other Asian sides pretty regularly in 2015-2018 period.

Mashrafe's retiement has derailed their cricket and Pakistan cricket only improved post Sarfraz Ahmed being removed. So current Pakistan team has left Bangladesh to the dust but at the time when this thread was created - MADE SENSE :shakib

Lol, they beat India in a bilateral series too , during that period. Funny you don't remember that one.
 
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