Is Bangladesh really the second best team in Asia?

[a_tahir]

you're about 5 years too late for this statement.

Clearly if the odds are 4/1 of you winning and you still win then it WILL be an upset.
So i'm not wrong.

 

[light]

Clearly if the odds are 4/1 of you winning and you still win then it WILL be an upset.
So i'm not wrong.

I think you're mistaken about my nationality ... my team's chances of winning are always with us, not against us. However, you're still 5 years too late for this statement that you made.

 

[RainMan_]

How can one be so delusional?
Out of the 4 consecutive wins u have over us, 3 have come the 2015 series. The asia cup match was just a fluke. We all know what happened when u went to south africa lol.

What has Bd's SA tour got to do here?

Absolutely nothing.

In recent times BD have been playing a different level of cricket especially in Asian conditions which is exactly why they have hammered Pak every time they have played against them in last 3/4 years.

BD lost 3 odis against NZ but PAK got whitewashed against the same opposition and lost lost 5 Odi in a row. So I don't know what point r u trying to make here.

Also keep in mind that Pak lost odi series against NZ in UAE whereas BD smashed NZ and beat them in a humiliating fashion and whitewashed them the last two times they toured BD. NO MATTER how u look at it my friend, BD will easily come out as the second best odi team.

 

[Chokli]

What has Bd's SA tour got to do here?

Absolutely nothing.

In recent times BD have been playing a different level of cricket especially in Asian conditions which is exactly why they have hammered Pak every time they have played against them in last 3/4 years.

BD lost 3 odis against NZ but PAK got whitewashed against the same opposition and lost lost 5 Odi in a row. So I don't know what point r u trying to make here.

Also keep in mind that Pak lost odi series against NZ in UAE whereas BD smashed NZ and beat them in a humiliating fashion and whitewashed them the last two times they toured BD. NO MATTER how u look at it my friend, BD will easily come out as the second best odi team.

exactly.

but what you fail to mention is the core players that make up the bangladesh team have been around for more than a decade tamim, mushy, shakib, mashrafe etc and they still put up minnow like performances overseas.

pakistani team is relatively new with only hafeez/malik/sarfraz being the experienced campaigners.

your team will be worse than zimbabwe when your core players retire...

i'd say this is the best bangladesh will ever be and they need to make the most of it.

 

[BDfanforever]

[MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] what do you got to say about SRL whooping RSA both home and away? This made me realize how overrated BD cricket team is.

 

[a_tahir]

What has Bd's SA tour got to do here?

Absolutely nothing.

In recent times BD have been playing a different level of cricket especially in Asian conditions which is exactly why they have hammered Pak every time they have played against them in last 3/4 years.

BD lost 3 odis against NZ but PAK got whitewashed against the same opposition and lost lost 5 Odi in a row. So I don't know what point r u trying to make here.

Also keep in mind that Pak lost odi series against NZ in UAE whereas BD smashed NZ and beat them in a humiliating fashion and whitewashed them the last two times they toured BD. NO MATTER how u look at it my friend, BD will easily come out as the second best odi team.

So u can refer to the 4 consecutive wins again and again and i can't talk about the bangladeshi defeat that happened barely 1 and a half years ago.
The hypocrisy.

 

[a_tahir]

I think you're mistaken about my nationality ... my team's chances of winning are always with us, not against us. However, you're still 5 years too late for this statement that you made.

Did u even understand what my statement meant??

If odds are 4/1 for u to win then that means that u're massive underdogs. Unlikely to win. If a team proceeds to win from their then obvs it will be an upset. No need to get emotional i'm just stating the facts.

 

[a_tahir]

What has Bd's SA tour got to do here?

Absolutely nothing.

In recent times BD have been playing a different level of cricket especially in Asian conditions which is exactly why they have hammered Pak every time they have played against them in last 3/4 years.

BD lost 3 odis against NZ but PAK got whitewashed against the same opposition and lost lost 5 Odi in a row. So I don't know what point r u trying to make here.

Also keep in mind that Pak lost odi series against NZ in UAE whereas BD smashed NZ and beat them in a humiliating fashion and whitewashed them the last two times they toured BD. NO MATTER how u look at it my friend, BD will easily come out as the second best odi team.

"BD lost 3 odis against NZ but PAK got whitewashed against the same opposition and lost lost 5 Odi in a row. So I don't know what point r u trying to make here."

I think u should go and read what he said before butting in. He said pakistan lost 5-0 in nz while bangladesh only lost 3-0. To which i responded by saying pakistan lost 3-2 against sa in sa however Bangladesh got absolutely destroyed 3-0 in sa in 2017.
So u can't compare.

Stop butting in and trynna comment on something that wasn't even intended towards you without knowing the context

 

[a_tahir]

Why would we keep living off the win vs Pak in Asia Cup. No, we would not.

It's a well known fact that current Bangladesh team is a far better odi team than Pakistan especially in Asian conditions. The way Bangladesh hammered and destroyed Pakistan in the last 5/6 matches they played against Pakistan suggests that Bangladesh is clearly the better team and would beat Pak/Sl/Zim 8 out of 10 times in odis.

This is what i'm talking about. The IGNORANCE.

Out of the 4 matches, 3 were IN THE SAME SERIES in 2015 which u managed to win.

I wouldn't say the asia cup win was a hammering u only won by like 30 runs.

U can easily settle this case by asking people who they think will win in the pak-ban wc match. 9/10 would say pakistan. So that should tell u who is better.

 

[light]

Did u even understand what my statement meant??

If odds are 4/1 for u to win then that means that u're massive underdogs. Unlikely to win. If a team proceeds to win from their then obvs it will be an upset. No need to get emotional i'm just stating the facts.

Once again, you're mistaken about my nationality. However, I stand firm with what I stated. Around 2011, it was an upset, no one says it's an upset anymore. WI's chances are pretty crappy these days too, when they win, people don't call it an upset.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think now India and SL are comfortably the top Asian sides at present in tests. No doubts about this. Pakistan and BD should have a series to determine who the 3rd best asian test team.

 

[rhony]

I think now India and SL are comfortably the top Asian sides at present in tests. No doubts about this. Pakistan and BD should have a series to determine who the 3rd best asian test team.

Ind, SL in tests. Heck, I'd even call SL as No.1 in tests if they didnt crash 0-3 to Eng at home. SL have won against in Eng not too long ago. That's 2 out of 4 in SENA in the last 4 years.

Ind/Pak in T20s. Difficult to see who's No.1 in this format

Ind/Pak in ODIs.

BD fans talk about Asian conditions. If I were a BD fan, I would be doubtful of my chances of beating AFG in a 3 game series in Asian conditions.

 

[jnaveen1980]

There is something called ICC ranking used to judge who is better. Selective relative performances are suitable only for arguments in forums. If we want to exclude other teams and talk only about Asian teams, you have to check head-to-head recent performance.

 

[RainMan_]

So u can refer to the 4 consecutive wins again and again and i can't talk about the bangladeshi defeat that happened barely 1 and a half years ago.
The hypocrisy.

That defeat did'nt come against PAK. Hence, its pointless to discuss it here.

In cricket if x beats y and y beats z doesn't necessarily mean z won't be able to beat x. So, it's better to ebaluate x and and z based on their head to head battle instead of bringing in a third variable in the equation.


In recent times Pakistan couldn't even manage to compete against Bangladesh leave alone beating them. The level of dominance that BD have had over Pak for last 3/4 years is remarkable.

If an odi match is held tomorrow either in UAE or BD there's 80% of chance that BD will smash Pakistan like the way they have been doing it for last 3/4 years. Until Pak manage to change that Pak will remain as the 3rd or 4th best team in Asia.

 

[RainMan_]

Stop butting in and trynna comment on something that wasn't even intended towards you without knowing the context

I will start my post by responding to this point. First of all try to act maturely and make ur points in a better way. Otherwise u will become a laughing stock of everyone else.

Why I m saying this is because u were the one one who actually interrupted the conversation between me and "HappyWarFan" by quoting me. In response I just quoted u and made some relevant points so that u can come to ur senses.

But here u r accusing me of butting in when in reality it was exactly the opposite. People generally considers a post is intended towards them when it's made by quoting them. Anyway, I will not make u any more uncomfortable by expanding this point any further. Oh.... one more thing, u can quote me anytime u want even when I m in Conversation with someone else. I won't mind it at all.

"BD lost 3 odis against NZ but PAK got whitewashed against the same opposition and lost lost 5 Odi in a row. So I don't know what point r u trying to make here."

I think u should go and read what he said before butting in. He said pakistan lost 5-0 in nz while bangladesh only lost 3-0. To which i responded by saying pakistan lost 3-2 against sa in sa however Bangladesh got absolutely destroyed 3-0 in sa in 2017.
So u can't compare.

What Pakistan has done against NZ in NZ or in UAE and What Bangladesh has done against NZ in NZ or in BD has got nothing to do here.

Over the last 3/4 years Bangladesh have shown that they r easily the second best Asian team especially in Asian condition by becoming the runners up of Asia Cup on multiple occasions( could've become the champion on multiple occasions but couldn't do so due to bad luck and biased umpiring) and by hammering Pakistan on a consistent basis.

 

[RainMan_]

[MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] what do you got to say about SRL whooping RSA both home and away? This made me realize how overrated BD cricket team is.

Not really. They r just at the right place at the right time.

Look at how WI smashed ENG in ENG but that same WI got blown away against us. Also dont forget the fact that we r not getting any service from our ATG allrounder due to his finger injury.

 

[MMHS]

I will start my post by responding to this point. First of all try to act maturely and make ur points in a better way. Otherwise u will become a laughing stock of everyone else.

Why I m saying this is because u were the one one who actually interrupted the conversation between me and "HappyWarFan" by quoting me. In response I just quoted u and made some relevant points so that u can come to ur senses.

But here u r accusing me of butting in when in reality it was exactly the opposite. People generally considers a post is intended towards them when it's made by quoting them. Anyway, I will not make u any more uncomfortable by expanding this point any further. Oh.... one more thing, u can quote me anytime u want even when I m in Conversation with someone else. I won't mind it at all.




What Pakistan has done against NZ in NZ or in UAE and What Bangladesh has done against NZ in NZ or in BD has got nothing to do here.

Over the last 3/4 years Bangladesh have shown that they r easily the second best Asian team especially in Asian condition by becoming the runners up of Asia Cup on multiple occasions( could've become the champion on multiple occasions but couldn't do so due to bad luck and biased umpiring) and by hammering Pakistan on a consistent basis.

First you qualify your statement with "ODI" and then replace the bold part with "only", then we can have a discussion. Outside Asia, our attack will struggle to match ZIM.

 

[a_tahir]

not really. They r just at the right place at the right time.

Look at how wi smashed eng in eng but that same wi got blown away against us. Also dont forget the fact that we r not getting any service from our atg allrounder due to his finger injury.

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[a_tahir]

I will start my post by responding to this point. First of all try to act maturely and make ur points in a better way. Otherwise u will become a laughing stock of everyone else.

Why I m saying this is because u were the one one who actually interrupted the conversation between me and "HappyWarFan" by quoting me. In response I just quoted u and made some relevant points so that u can come to ur senses.

But here u r accusing me of butting in when in reality it was exactly the opposite. People generally considers a post is intended towards them when it's made by quoting them. Anyway, I will not make u any more uncomfortable by expanding this point any further. Oh.... one more thing, u can quote me anytime u want even when I m in Conversation with someone else. I won't mind it at all.




What Pakistan has done against NZ in NZ or in UAE and What Bangladesh has done against NZ in NZ or in BD has got nothing to do here.

Over the last 3/4 years Bangladesh have shown that they r easily the second best Asian team especially in Asian condition by becoming the runners up of Asia Cup on multiple occasions( could've become the champion on multiple occasions but couldn't do so due to bad luck and biased umpiring) and by hammering Pakistan on a consistent basis.

Read what i wrote.
"stop butting in WITHOUT KNOWING THE CONTEXT"

I'm not saying you can't respond to my quotes but u need to know the context before you do respond.

 

[MMHS]

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This wasn't necessary. These sort of reference pulling from past can go either way. Click this link and take a notice of one particular innings 119, than add the 2 innings of other team in that game - this happened once in history.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...of-sri-lanka-and-united-arab-emirates-2002-03


SRL has played exceptionally well and it's also true that they have got a SAF side at their weakest point. Instead of spending your energy in this thread put it at right place, it might open some eyes. SRL has beaten a SAF side 2-0 in total 6 days work - the same team won 3-0 against PAK a month back with total 10 days work. And, instead of trolling around in PLs & SLs, had AB been in that SAF team - PAK would have bowled 3 times in total in that series.

This thread is opened by a troll and few others are fueling it to keep alive. Just for a record, it was always meant to be ODI and BD indeed had a claim for that. In Test, there was absolutely no doubt ever that SRL is by far better Test team than both PAK & BD, but having said that they did draw last home series with BD 1-1, and won 2-0 in UAE.

 

[Darkrai]

NO. I think India is the second best.

 

[Stalin]

NO. I think India is the second best.

Yes. Coz Mongolia is right up there.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ind, SL in tests. Heck, I'd even call SL as No.1 in tests if they didnt crash 0-3 to Eng at home. SL have won against in Eng not too long ago. That's 2 out of 4 in SENA in the last 4 years.

Ind/Pak in T20s. Difficult to see who's No.1 in this format

Ind/Pak in ODIs.

BD fans talk about Asian conditions. If I were a BD fan, I would be doubtful of my chances of beating AFG in a 3 game series in Asian conditions.

SL got thrashed by India, England at home , lost to India away and then lost to NZ, drew with windies and got smashed in OZ. Their overall results are not impressive enough to be number 1. India have absolutely monstered Asian conditions , won in windies comfortably, won in OZ comfortably (3-1 if not for rain ) . Easily the best side in the world and certainly the best in Asia .

 

[Mahee]

1 India
2 SL
3 BAN
4 PAK

 

[jnaveen1980]

Afghanistan vs Bangladesh series will be interesting. So far Afghanistan has bossed BD in T20.

T20 Afghanistan vs BD 3-1
ODI Afghanistan vs BD 3-4

 

[RainMan_]

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Doesn't change the fact that Pak got obliterated in their adopted home ground, in front of their own crowd by a second string BD side.

Just Imagine what would've happend if BD fielded their main team. Haha.....

 

[RainMan_]

Afghanistan vs Bangladesh series will be interesting. So far Afghanistan has bossed BD in T20.

T20 Afghanistan vs BD 3-1
ODI Afghanistan vs BD 3-4

T20 is an irrelevant format. It's played fir fun only. The main purpose of t20 is trying out new players.

Baring wt20 tournament, international t20 and its ranking is absolutely meaningless.

 

[saeed5646]

T20 is an irrelevant format. It's played fir fun only. The main purpose of t20 is trying out new players.

Baring wt20 tournament, international t20 and its ranking is absolutely meaningless.

And what about odi ranking?

 

[saeed5646]

Doesn't change the fact that Pak got obliterated in their adopted home ground, in front of their own crowd by a second string BD side.

Just Imagine what would've happend if BD fielded their main team. Haha.....

Scotland have beaten England recently does that mean they are better than england heck even Afghanistan have tie with india in asia cup which latter on smash bd if you want to know how much relevant your team is please listen to excricketer and experts before worldcup they will tell you about who are favourites i bet bd will be not in there top 4

 

[a_tahir]

Doesn't change the fact that Pak got obliterated in their adopted home ground, in front of their own crowd by a second string BD side.

Just Imagine what would've happend if BD fielded their main team. Haha.....

Obliterated???

U beat us only by 30 runs.
Don't fly too high. U haven't even won a significant test or odi series in the SENA countries. U haven't even come close.

Where is this arrogance coming from??

I can understand why some Indians or Sri lankans may be a bit arrogant but Bangladeshis are the last people that should be arrogant.
U've won nothing significant.

 

[a_tahir]

Scotland have beaten England recently does that mean they are better than england heck even Afghanistan have tie with india in asia cup which latter on smash bd if you want to know how much relevant your team is please listen to excricketer and experts before worldcup they will tell you about who are favourites i bet bd will be not in there top 4

Top 4 is too far.
It would be an achievement if they even win more than a match.

 

[RainMan_]

Scotland have beaten England recently does that mean they are better than england heck even Afghanistan have tie with india in asia cup which latter on smash bd if you want to know how much relevant your team is please listen to excricketer and experts before worldcup they will tell you about who are favourites i bet bd will be not in there top 4

U need to understand that BD is a new in international arena. Reputation is built over time.

But the improvement that BD have shown within a very short period of time and the way they have revolutionised themselves as a cricket team is truly remarkable, something which no other cricket team has manged to do barring perhaps Srilanka.

I m not saying tha BD is better than Pak just because they have smashed Pak in Asia Cup. I m saying it because of the way BD have been performing in recent times especially in Asian condition.


The way BD has smashed WI in WI, the way we beat WI in Bangladesh, the way they played in Asia cup where they almost won the cup but couldn't do so due to biased umpiring clearly states that they r definitely a strong contender for the second positioning Asian team.

 

[a_tahir]

U need to understand that BD is a new in international arena. Reputation is built over time.

But the improvement that BD have shown within a very short period of time and the way they have revolutionised themselves as a cricket team is truly remarkable, something which no other cricket team has manged to do barring perhaps Srilanka.

I m not saying tha BD is better than Pak just because they have smashed Pak in Asia Cup. I m saying it because of the way BD have been performing in recent times especially in Asian condition.


The way BD has smashed WI in WI, the way we beat WI in Bangladesh, the way they played in Asia cup where they almost won the cup but couldn't do so due to biased umpiring clearly states that they r definitely a strong contender for the second positioning Asian team.

Firstly, the world cup is in England so those performances in the SENA countries should be used to back your point.
Secondly, u didn't "smash" the windies it was an equal contest.
Thirdly, u weren't going to win the Asia Cup no matter what. The biased umpire theory is just being to troll u guys even more. So it's better u accept defeat instead of coming up with excuses.

 

[Ab Fan]

The ranking among Asian teams is:-

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Pakistan

 

[RainMan_]

Obliterated???

U beat us only by 30 runs.
Don't fly too high. U haven't even won a significant test or odi series in the SENA countries. U haven't even come close.

Where is this arrogance coming from??

I can understand why some Indians or Sri lankans may be a bit arrogant but Bangladeshis are the last people that should be arrogant.
U've won nothing significant.

Yes, BD smashed Pak with their second string team. Glad to know that u finally realised it. Its 4-0 till now which is likely to become 5-0 in next wc. Don't forget that BD will play their full strength team in WC, not the second string team that hammered Pak in UAE.

AS for winning in SENA, it will eventually happen. But for now we want to build our base first and make it stronger before advancing further.

Do u know that even though Pak have been playing test for close to 80 years they still haven't managed to win a single test series in SA or Australia? That's how difficult it is to win series in SENA.


Compared to that BD is totally new in international areana. Even 20 years haven't passed since we have started playing international test cricket. But BD have already whitewashed WI in WI both in tests and ODIS AND have become a fearsome opposition in Asian condition. Within next 5/10 years we will win in NZ and ENG as well.

 

[RainMan_]

The ranking among Asian teams is:-

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Pakistan

Afg has done nothing significant to be considered better than BD. Yes, I expect them to surpasses Pak in next 4/5 years but as of now correct ranking would be something like this.

Ind
BD
Sl
Afg/Pak

 

[SportsWarrior]

U need to understand that BD is a new in international arena. Reputation is built over time.

But the improvement that BD have shown within a very short period of time and the way they have revolutionised themselves as a cricket team is truly remarkable, something which no other cricket team has manged to do barring perhaps Srilanka.

I m not saying tha BD is better than Pak just because they have smashed Pak in Asia Cup. I m saying it because of the way BD have been performing in recent times especially in Asian condition.


The way BD has smashed WI in WI, the way we beat WI in Bangladesh, the way they played in Asia cup where they almost won the cup but couldn't do so due to biased umpiring clearly states that they r definitely a strong contender for the second positioning Asian team.

By the same time in their cricketing history srilanka had won multiple Asia cups and a world cup. India won their first world cup after 50 odd ODIS and T20is world cup after playing few t20is. I am not even considering test matches. And unlike other countries who started decades back in the ameture Era when the teams didn't have access to either money or to modern coaching methods which BD has from day one.

BD also has third or fourth best T20 league and still struggle to best top teams and it is not for lack of trying. Even AFG seems to have overtaken them in T20s and despite protests by you T20I is a legetimate format. I understand when you say not many teams take it seriously which is true and is a platform for experimentation. But there is no excuse to be ranked so badly and fair so poorly against all teams.

Core of BD team is still the same that beat india in 2007. No superstars after that. BD has to do much better. Only format where they are decent anywhere is ODI and that too barely outside BD. At home they are a decent test side and that's about it.

 

[a_tahir]

Afg has done nothing significant to be considered better than BD. Yes, I expect them to surpasses Pak in next 4/5 years but as of now correct ranking would be something like this.

Ind
BD
Sl
Afg/Pak

Why did i even bother??

People like u just never want to know the truth.
Afg in the same category as pak ROFL.
u must be a troll.

 

[a_tahir]

Yes, BD smashed Pak with their second string team. Glad to know that u finally realised it. Its 4-0 till now which is likely to become 5-0 in next wc. Don't forget that BD will play their full strength team in WC, not the second string team that hammered Pak in UAE.

AS for winning in SENA, it will eventually happen. But for now we want to build our base first and make it stronger before advancing further.

Do u know that even though Pak have been playing test for close to 80 years they still haven't managed to win a single test series in SA or Australia? That's how difficult it is to win series in SENA.


Compared to that BD is totally new in international areana. Even 20 years haven't passed since we have started playing international test cricket. But BD have already whitewashed WI in WI both in tests and ODIS AND have become a fearsome opposition in Asian condition. Within next 5/10 years we will win in NZ and ENG as well.

There is no such thing as a "second string team" for a team like ban.

You're "A" team is already a b standard team.
U can't get lower than that

 

[a_tahir]

There is no such thing as a "second string team" for a team like ban.

You're "A" team is already a b standard team.
U can't get lower than that

Your*

 

[RainMan_]

By the same time in their cricketing history srilanka had won multiple Asia cups and a world cup. India won their first world cup after 50 odd ODIS and T20is world cup after playing few t20is. I am not even considering test matches. And unlike other countries who started decades back in the ameture Era when the teams didn't have access to either money or to modern coaching methods which BD has from day one.

BD also has third or fourth best T20 league and still struggle to best top teams and it is not for lack of trying. Even AFG seems to have overtaken them in T20s and despite protests by you T20I is a legetimate format. I understand when you say not many teams take it seriously which is true and is a platform for experimentation. But there is no excuse to be ranked so badly and fair so poorly against all teams.

Core of BD team is still the same that beat india in 2007. No superstars after that. BD has to do much better. Only format where they are decent anywhere is ODI and that too barely outside BD. At home they are a decent test side and that's about it.

I have made many posts addressing this particular point in the past and i obviously have no problem repeating it once again.

If tomorrow FIFA decides to shorten the length of the football match from standard 90 minutes to 50 minutes, neither India will start playing football like Brazil nor Brazil will regress overnight and start playing like india. India will still remain at the position where it is now in football and concede a dozen goal against quality oppositions regardless of the length of the match.

Same thing in cricket as well. Odi is just a format in cricket, nothing more than that. The basics of the game is still more or less the same.


As for India, i think they lie at the bottom of the table as far as the speed of the growth of a cricket playing nation is concerned. India have won the odi WC after playing international cricket for 50 long years.

As a matter of fact India was nothing short of miserable in its initial period as a cricket playing nation. IND could not even manage to draw a single test series leave alone winning one in their first 20 years of cricket. This was the level of their mediocrity. They were the whooping boys of world cricket and got smashed like a nobody for decades after decades.


India started playing first class cricket almost 90/100 years ago and finally managed to win a test series in Aus in 2019. On the other hand we have Bangladesh whose first class structure was established in 2000 which means even 20 years haven't even passed since BD has started playing test cricket professionally both at national and international level but they have already hammered world class teams in tests, odis and won series against them both at home and away.


By the time BD will complete its 50 th anniversary it will definitely have multiple ICC trophies in its trophy cabinet. BD have already produced players of Shakib, Tamim and Mushy's caliber. Just imagine the type of player who will come through once its first class structure will get even more mature.

BD is undoubtedly one of the very few teams that have improved leaps and bounds within a very short span of time especially compared to teams like India or NZ.

 

[SportsWarrior]

I have made many posts addressing this particular point in the past and i obviously have no problem repeating it once again.

If tomorrow FIFA decides to shorten the length of the football match from standard 90 minutes to 50 minutes, neither India will start playing football like Brazil nor Brazil will regress overnight and start playing like india. India will still remain at the position where it is now in football and concede a dozen goal against quality oppositions regardless of the length of the match.

Same thing in cricket as well. Odi is just a format in cricket, nothing more than that. The basics of the game is still more or less the same.


As for India, i think they lie at the bottom of the table as far as the speed of the growth of a cricket playing nation is concerned. India have won the odi WC after playing international cricket for 50 long years.

As a matter of fact India was nothing short of miserable in its initial period as a cricket playing nation. IND could not even manage to draw a single test series leave alone winning one in their first 20 years of cricket. This was the level of their mediocrity. They were the whooping boys of world cricket and got smashed like a nobody for decades after decades.


India started playing first class cricket almost 90/100 years ago and finally managed to win a test series in Aus in 2019. On the other hand we have Bangladesh whose first class structure was established in 2000 which means even 20 years haven't even passed since BD has started playing test cricket professionally both at national and international level but they have already hammered world class teams in tests, odis and won series against them both at home and away.


By the time BD will complete its 50 th anniversary it will definitely have multiple ICC trophies in its trophy cabinet. BD have already produced players of Shakib, Tamim and Mushy's caliber. Just imagine the type of player who will come through once its first class structure will get even more mature.

BD is undoubtedly one of the very few teams that have improved leaps and bounds within a very short span of time especially compared to teams like India or NZ.

Fifty years after playing international cricket india won a world cup. WI did it after playing 47 years and Australia did it after a century. SL did after playing for 13 years and they should be the best ever. What a dumb thing to say. Yeah right for the first forty years there was no world cup or ODIs. May be you are too young to know that. By the same standard Australia won after a century of playing international cricket and England have not do so even after 130 years. Same with south africa and new zeland. Really dumb criteria when the format didn't even exist.

Wow the length that BD fans to.go to support the delusional grandeur about their team. India itself was hardly great team in its early days but most of it were even before it gained Independence and even much later mostly was an amateur sport. BD started playing when cricket was fully commercialized and the coaching standards were better. Even with that they are yet win anything. Forget ICC trophies first win a tri series which you couldn't do at home against Zimbabwe and SL who were at their worst. First win something before beating your chest.

 

[Stalin]

I have made many posts addressing this particular point in the past and i obviously have no problem repeating it once again.

If tomorrow FIFA decides to shorten the length of the football match from standard 90 minutes to 50 minutes, neither India will start playing football like Brazil nor Brazil will regress overnight and start playing like india. India will still remain at the position where it is now in football and concede a dozen goal against quality oppositions regardless of the length of the match.

Same thing in cricket as well. Odi is just a format in cricket, nothing more than that. The basics of the game is still more or less the same.


As for India, i think they lie at the bottom of the table as far as the speed of the growth of a cricket playing nation is concerned. India have won the odi WC after playing international cricket for 50 long years.

As a matter of fact India was nothing short of miserable in its initial period as a cricket playing nation. IND could not even manage to draw a single test series leave alone winning one in their first 20 years of cricket. This was the level of their mediocrity. They were the whooping boys of world cricket and got smashed like a nobody for decades after decades.


India started playing first class cricket almost 90/100 years ago and finally managed to win a test series in Aus in 2019. On the other hand we have Bangladesh whose first class structure was established in 2000 which means even 20 years haven't even passed since BD has started playing test cricket professionally both at national and international level but they have already hammered world class teams in tests, odis and won series against them both at home and away.


By the time BD will complete its 50 th anniversary it will definitely have multiple ICC trophies in its trophy cabinet. BD have already produced players of Shakib, Tamim and Mushy's caliber. Just imagine the type of player who will come through once its first class structure will get even more mature.

BD is undoubtedly one of the very few teams that have improved leaps and bounds within a very short span of time especially compared to teams like India or NZ.

How do you come up with these masterpieces from time to time ?

 

[RainMan_]

Fifty years after playing international cricket india won a world cup. WI did it after playing 47 years and Australia did it after a century. SL did after playing for 13 years and they should be the best ever. What a dumb thing to say. Yeah right for the first forty years there was no world cup or ODIs. May be you are too young to know that. By the same standard Australia won after a century of playing international cricket and England have not do so even after 130 years. Same with south africa and new zeland. Really dumb criteria when the format didn't even exist. .

How many years later have Aus or Eng won the wc isn't the point of discussion here. U claimed that India have won WC after playing 50 odis when in reality their wc victory was the result of the experience they have accumulated and the types of players who have come through over 50 years of their international career.

By the time India won the wc they already had years of experience of playing the sport and had a first class structure that was over 50 years old. Otherwise India never could've won the cup.

ow the length that BD fans to.go to support the delusional grandeur about their team. India itself was hardly great team in its early days but most of it were even before it gained Independence and even much later mostly was an amateur sport. BD started playing when cricket was fully commercialized and the coaching standards were better. Even with that they are yet win anything. Forget ICC trophies first win a tri series which you couldn't do at home against Zimbabwe and SL who were at their worst. First win something before beating your chest.

That's exactly my point as well. Glad u finally managed to see the light. Of course India had a mediocre team with mediocre players in its initial years and got hammered for decades. That's why they couldn't draw a single test series in their first 20 years. I totally agree with u.

As for cricket being an amateur sport back then, well no disagreement there either. I agree with the fact that situation was quite easy for India when they started playing international cricket but still they failed to perform.

India made their debut during a time when most of their competitors were mediocre and cricket wasn't played professionally. Bur even after having comparatively easir opposition they took 20 years to draw their first test series.

Then compare that with the time when Bangladesh debut. The situation was extremely tough but they still managed to overcome it. When BD debuted they had to compete against teams who already had decades of experience of playing international cricket. Its like a first grade student being asked to compete against 10th grade student.


Just imagine if they found things as easy as India found during its period and got the chance to compete against teams of similar strength. These r the reasons why I consider BD as one of the fastest improving cricket teams in the history of cricket.


As for srilanka, of course they r the best team when it comes to showing tremendous growth within a short span of time. Why r u even doubting that. Its a well established fact.

Forget ICC trophies first win a tri series which you couldn't do at home against Zimbabwe and SL who were at their worst. First win something before beating your chest.

Just because u aren't aware of it doesn't necessarily mean it hasn't happened yet my friend. Bangladesh has already become the champion of a tri series jointly with NZ. What makes it more significant is the fact it came outside Asia.

 

[Napa]

Of course India had a mediocre team with mediocre players in its initial years and got hammered for decades. That's why they couldn't draw a single test series in their first 20 years.

You should make a little bit of research before you post. It is not that hard. India drew 2 series and won 2 series in its very first decade (1947 to 1957).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;type=team

If you believe that India's Test history stretches back to 1932, that is also Pakistan's and Bangladesh's histories.

 

[Hitman]

Fifty years after playing international cricket india won a world cup. WI did it after playing 47 years and Australia did it after a century. SL did after playing for 13 years and they should be the best ever. What a dumb thing to say. Yeah right for the first forty years there was no world cup or ODIs. May be you are too young to know that. By the same standard Australia won after a century of playing international cricket and England have not do so even after 130 years. Same with south africa and new zeland. Really dumb criteria when the format didn't even exist.

Wow the length that BD fans to.go to support the delusional grandeur about their team. India itself was hardly great team in its early days but most of it were even before it gained Independence and even much later mostly was an amateur sport. BD started playing when cricket was fully commercialized and the coaching standards were better. Even with that they are yet win anything. Forget ICC trophies first win a tri series which you couldn't do at home against Zimbabwe and SL who were at their worst. First win something before beating your chest.

I'm surprised he hasn't claimed Bangladesh to be the best Test in Asia currently

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

The ranking among Asian teams is:-

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Pakistan

Absolutely appalled at the wrong rankings. The accurate ranking standing without a shadow of doubt and completely factually accurate is

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Nepal
UAE
Day light
Pakistan

 

[Khan12]

Absolutely appalled at the wrong rankings. The accurate ranking standing without a shadow of doubt and completely factually accurate is

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Nepal
UAE
Day light
Pakistan

No you forgot PNG, bermuda, Italy etc.

 

[Ahmed216]

No you forgot PNG, bermuda, Italy etc.

Italy is not in Asia lol.
This thread is about asian teams.

But yes he did forget hong kong , china etc.
Ignorance!!

 

[Khan12]

Italy is not in Asia lol.
This thread is about asian teams.

But yes he did forget hong kong , china etc.
Ignorance!!

I know italy is not. But, they are better then Pakistan.

 

[Ahmed216]

The ranking among Asian teams is:-

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Pakistan

This thing made my day

 

[Ahmed216]

I know italy is not. But, they are better then Pakistan.

Italy is miles ahead of Pakistan.
So what if Pakistan has the best win percentage in test cricket's history among Asian teams.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Italy is not in Asia lol.
This thread is about asian teams.

But yes he did forget hong kong , china etc.
Ignorance!!

I didn't, but because of our long-lasting deeper than oceans higher than Himalaya friendship with China, we'd manage to convince them to lose to us. And since they still have plenty of influence on Hong Kong, we'll hopefully manage to scrap a win over there as well.

So we good!

 

[Ahmed216]

I didn't, but because of our long-lasting deeper than oceans higher than Himalaya friendship with China, we'd manage to convince them to lose to us. And since they still have plenty of influence on Hong Kong, we'll hopefully manage to scrap a win over there as well.

So we good!

Ohh i see

 

[Joseph Gomes]

The ranking among Asian teams is:-

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Pakistan

Lol man I don't see you trolling often XD

 

[SportsWarrior]

I'm surprised he hasn't claimed Bangladesh to be the best Test in Asia currently

Yup. And I personally am a big supporter of BD cricket and believe that they have the best opportunity to follow india lead as far as locally groomes talenta are considered. If you look at Pak super stars of 80s and 90s they mostly used England/County as their finishing school. PCB or its previous incarnations cannot fully take the credit for producing such wonderful products. Many of those superstars even played domestically once they broke into international cricket. Whereas in India most of the superstars are product of Indian system. India didn't produce many quality cricketers very early but whoever came through they were fully Indian products

The above is not me just being a proud nationalist but pointing out the fact that it is important to develop infrastructure to produce great players. I always thought that this is the path BD is taking as most of their heroes whoever it is or to whatever extent were fully their own product. This should enable them to put them on track for long term success. But unfortunately they seem to.have stagnated and honestly disappointed me. When a team like SL which is passing through their worst crisis in decades walk into your home and win a tri series then BD has serious issues. They need to win something before thumping their chest. It otherwise looks funny, childish and a tad bit arrogant

 

[SportsWarrior]

8 pages of discussion when we can take the best team out of ICC rankings. They are fairly accurate. In tests very clearly SL who are the best team and in LOIs it is Pakistan. The ranking can get fickle as the formats get shorter but are mostly accurate.

 

[SportsWarrior]

8 pages of discussion when we can take the best team out of ICC rankings. They are fairly accurate. In tests very clearly SL who are the best team and in LOIs it is Pakistan. The ranking can get fickle as the formats get shorter but are mostly accurate.

Just saw ICC rankings. Pak is ahead of BD by 12 points in ODIS which is BDs best format. Only delusional fans will say BD are better than Pak with that kind of a gap. in t20Is where BD is not even a decent team and Lag india by 47 points. And in tests BD are behind by 19 points. No sensible person will conclude BD are second best team. They are clearly the fourth best team second and third swapping between SL and Pak based on format.

 

[SportsWarrior]

You should make a little bit of research before you post. It is not that hard. India drew 2 series and won 2 series in its very first decade (1947 to 1957)

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/team/series_results.html?class=1;id=6;type=team

If you believe that India's Test history stretches back to 1932, that is also Pakistan's and Bangladesh's histories.

Yeah he tends to forget they were part of India during those years.

 

[RainMan_]

Yeah he tends to forget they were part of India during those years.

Not really. We were also a part of Great Britain back then. That doesn't necessarily mean we have claims over England's history as well.

There is no shame in admitting the fact that India started playing first class cricket almost 100 years ago and name of that domestic completion was Ranji trophy which still hasn't been changed I suppose.

Why r u finding it so hard to digest the fact that India were a slow learner in Cricket and took a long time to reach the position where they r now. Not everyone has to be quick learners like SL or BD. India struggled hard in its initial years and now enjoying the fruit of their hard work. Take pride in it man.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Not really. We were also a part of Great Britain back then. That doesn't necessarily mean we have claims over England's history as well.

There is no shame in admitting the fact that India started playing first class cricket almost 100 years ago and name of that domestic completion was Ranji trophy which still hasn't been changed I suppose.

Why r u finding it so hard to digest the fact that India were a slow learner in Cricket and took a long time to reach the position where they r now. Not everyone has to be quick learners like SL or BD. India struggled hard in its initial years and now enjoying the fruit of their hard work. Take pride in it man.

Absolutely. I take a lot of pride in this. Very happy with what Indian cricket has achieved so far. BD is a great cricketing nation and one of the future superpowers of cricket if everything goes right. They have the most passionate fans as well. Even after drawing 1-1 with Zimbabwe D at home their fans still support their team to the fullest extent and that has to be appreciated. This is the strength of the BD nation. I take my hat off to such an eternallly optimistic fanbase. May you grow from strength to strength.

 

[Hitman]

Just saw ICC rankings. Pak is ahead of BD by 12 points in ODIS which is BDs best format. Only delusional fans will say BD are better than Pak with that kind of a gap. in t20Is where BD is not even a decent team and Lag india by 47 points. And in tests BD are behind by 19 points. No sensible person will conclude BD are second best team. They are clearly the fourth best team second and third swapping between SL and Pak based on format.

It's an insult for the Pakistan cricket team to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Bangladesh cricket team.

 

[big_gamer007]

Said it multiple times unless Bangladesh does what SL did in 1996 they will never be taken seriously by majority cricket fans who are casual fans..

For cricketing nerds on PP, there might be an argument to be made on how gold BD team is but for majority of cricket watching population they are still considered a minnow.. It's unfortunate truth.

 

[SportsWarrior]

It's an insult for the Pakistan cricket team to be mentioned in the same sentence as the Bangladesh cricket team.

Yup Pakistan fans should take it as an insult. BD was improving a lot during 2015. Now they have tapered off.

 

[saeed5646]

Yup Pakistan fans should take it as an insult. BD was improving a lot during 2015. Now they have tapered off.

From mars Bd fans have reached moon .after worldcup they will be back to earth soon.

 

[BDfanforever]

Yup Pakistan fans should take it as an insult. BD was improving a lot during 2015. Now they have tapered off.

I am not sure about that tapering off part? Are you saying that because BD got smashed in NZ? If so, then don’t forget even Pak got blown away for 74 runs in the series decider against NZ last year.

Since 2015, they were semi finalist in CT losing to India, finalist in Asia cup again losing to Ind, their test rankings are slowly on the rise from zero rating.

 

[Titan24]

This is one of the few threads on PP that are running more on emotions and a hypothetical world, without any facts to back anything posted here and is mainly run by few posters who have no input on any other thread and devote all there time in proving how some team is the best or 2nd best team an Asia.

If there were any facts to claim any such thing I am pretty sure the thread wouldnt have gone to 8 pages.

It has only gone to this length that some supporter try to come up with new logic every day to prove a point which no cricketing expert other than few wanna be experts here would agree with.

 

[RainMan_]

Absolutely. I take a lot of pride in this. Very happy with what Indian cricket has achieved so far. BD is a great cricketing nation and one of the future superpowers of cricket if everything goes right. They have the most passionate fans as well. Even after drawing 1-1 with Zimbabwe D at home their fans still support their team to the fullest extent and that has to be appreciated. This is the strength of the BD nation. I take my hat off to such an eternallly optimistic fanbase. May you grow from strength to strength.

Excellent. This is how Indian fans should act. I'm proud of u. U know that I'm a well wisher of Indian team, don't u.

The only time I actually debate with Indian fans is when some of the delusional ones try to to big up Kapil as an all rounder and the other time is when they want they forget the sufferings they went through in their initial years as a cricket team.

 

[Ab Fan]

Absolutely appalled at the wrong rankings. The accurate ranking standing without a shadow of doubt and completely factually accurate is

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Nepal
UAE
Day light
Pakistan

Good list but I feel Pakistan is a little too high in the list. However, it's understandable as everyone will have that much of bias towards their nationality.

 

[Ab Fan]

Absolutely appalled at the wrong rankings. The accurate ranking standing without a shadow of doubt and completely factually accurate is

India
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Nepal
UAE
Day light
Pakistan

Good list but I feel Pakistan is a little too high in the list. However, it's understandable as everyone will have that much of bias towards their nationality.

 

[Shoaib88]

Good list but I feel Pakistan is a little too high in the list. However, it's understandable as everyone will have that much of bias towards their nationality.

Bangladesh is ranked the worst in Tests and T20s for an asian country according to ICC rankings. Although Afghanistan hasn't got a rank yet in test cricket, I dont think it will take them long to surprass Bangladesh.

 

[Ahmed216]

Bangladesh is ranked the worst in Tests and T20s for an asian country according to ICC rankings. Although Afghanistan hasn't got a rank yet in test cricket, I dont think it will take them long to surprass Bangladesh.

BD have never won a single series in SENA in any format(correct me if wrong) and have no ICC or Asian triumphs, this makes them the best side in Asia.
Time to remove this thread.

 

[topspin]

Really shouldn't be addressing posts coming from Chittagong Farms however I find it hilarious this Nagin Dance cheerleader finds BD one of the "quick learners" when their W/L ratio is between 0.15-0.16!

The quick learners tag belongs to Afghanistan.

 

[Varun]

Last edited by GoUgandaCranes; 24th February 2019 at 16:19. Reason: didn't know (daylight) would insert an empty space

 

[Balthazar]

Pathetic. They are a punching bags for almost 30 years now and still remain a mediocre side.

 

[a_tahir]

After sri lanka's bowling today you can't say that pak isn't the 2nd best odi eam in the SC.
Bangladesh...lol.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If BD draw this match, they would be a better team in the southern hemisphere than Pakistan who have lost every test match in last 6 years in the southern hemisphere .

 

[a_tahir]

If BD draw this match, they would be a better team in the southern hemisphere than Pakistan who have lost every test match in last 6 years in the southern hemisphere .

What can we do?
The rain hasn't been kind to us lately

 

[Nikhil_cric]

What can we do?
The rain hasn't been kind to us lately

Your tour to NZ was affected by rain too. Didn't stop NZ smashing you 2-0

 

[pakistani pride]

If BD draw this match, they would be a better team in the southern hemisphere than Pakistan who have lost every test match in last 6 years in the southern hemisphere .

Yes lets just take the last 6 years because prior to that BANGLA boys were winning tests abroad for fun...