Is Bangladesh really the second best team in Asia?

[Greenstorm]

this post are merge from Nz vs bd match thread. no body have bump the thread

Bro, let go of this obsession with Bangladesh. I have seen you a lot posting about them. There was a time when there were a lot of Bengali posters active on PP and your responses were understandable at the time but not anymore.

This thread is so embarrassing for any self respecting Pakistani. We should never ever compare ourselves with Bangladesh .

 

[RyanRyan10]

Lol.
3 out of the 4 matches were in the same series in 2015 when ban were going through a purple patch. Asia cup one was just a fluke.
Stop hyping them up.
They say that we got thrashed in nz.
Look up their results in south africa in 2017
Lost by 10 wickets in one of the matches with a score of 270

I didn't hype them neither did i call them better than Pakistan
My post was just a reply to a poster who was asking about results of the previous 5 encounters between the two sides

 

[Chokli]

Let the New-gen Pakistan win against BD first!

the new gen Pakistan is what you said new gen..

That doesn't change the fact that the current Bangladeshi team, the core members, have played for more than a decade and still have nothing to show for it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Only guy who have more experience (based on when they made debut) than Mortaza is Shoaib Malik

 

[Hyperion66]

I think Pak is still the second best Asian team but BD is not far either, Pakistani friends here need to shed their arrogance a bit and give due credit to BD. They are no longer minnows and can beat any team in Asia.

 

[Hyperion66]

Only guy who have more experience (based on when they made debut) than Mortaza is Shoaib Malik

Mortaza was actually a very good prospect when he debuted, repeated injuries hampered in career big time, still a very good captain and lead his team from the front, a motivational and iconic figure in Bangladesh. Shoaib was average when he started and still is.

 

[BDfanforever]

I am not sure why this is still a point of discussion but 2nd best team is the team that can BOSS opponents while losing the series.

 

[rhony]

The question is...which format are we considering for this debate?

Is this based on tests? Then obviously it's Pak
Is it based on T20s? Then it's one of India or Pak and there are already many threads on that topic which cannot be resolved until India and Pak play T20s against each other regularly.
Is it based on ODIs? Is it based on ODIs in Asia or abroad? Is it based on CT? Then it's India. Is it based on Asia cup? If that's the case, despite the final, I thought Afghans were clearly the 2nd best team in the tournament. Nobody could beat Afghans easily in any game. Is it based on H2H between Pak and BD? Then BD is the winner. There's no point in extrapolating based on how each team performed against some random team. How about we all agree to pick up the debate after the H2H in the world cup. Neutral conditions, pressure games and there is a context and importance to each game.

 

[Syed1]

What are Bangladesh's achievement in cricket? Their trophy cabinet is completely bare. Their greatest ever achievement is reaching semifinal of a world tournament, the same one that Pakistan ended up winning.

BD fans should wait for their team to atleast win something, a Kitply cup, a Go-Go Pan Masla trophy, just something before resorting to chest thumping.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I didn't start it and won't bother for what others do in a series that had nothing to do with BD cricket. You are trying the easy way out of bringing a post out of context - let me close it here, otherwise it'll grow brunches.

The "discussion" started when someone felt "embarrassed" even to post the scorecard of SAF-BD series ..... and that guy did post those scorecard just few days back ..... by coincidence, it was just few minutes after PAK made it 2-2 ... He didn't feel embarrassed that time, so I had to mention the reason as well.

You can save whatever you wish and use it - as I said, I won't waste my time to search your posts to use in future.

The team I call "ordinary" is genuine ordinary these days and my love for the game started from watching their predecessors ...... therefore it will be real fun for me if they indeed can cause a turn around - no shame in it, rather it'll be joy.

I hope you'll save this one as well.

That part is clearly not sincere, as has been evident for quite a while. But nice backup plan there, although it most certainly will not work when the opportunity comes.

 

[MMHS]

That part is clearly not sincere, as has been evident for quite a while. But nice backup plan there, although it most certainly will not work when the opportunity comes.

Yah, obvious backup plan for someone spending sleepless nights watching few unknown guys trying win a Test match in desert. It won’t work since you have solid evidence- so keep trying.

 

[Napa]

The question is...which format are we considering for this debate?

Is this based on tests? Then obviously it's Pak
Is it based on T20s? Then it's one of India or Pak and there are already many threads on that topic which cannot be resolved until India and Pak play T20s against each other regularly.
Is it based on ODIs? Is it based on ODIs in Asia or abroad? Is it based on CT? Then it's India. Is it based on Asia cup? If that's the case, despite the final, I thought Afghans were clearly the 2nd best team in the tournament. Nobody could beat Afghans easily in any game. Is it based on H2H between Pak and BD? Then BD is the winner. There's no point in extrapolating based on how each team performed against some random team. How about we all agree to pick up the debate after the H2H in the world cup. Neutral conditions, pressure games and there is a context and importance to each game.

You make too much sense. It spoils the fun.

 

[gazza619]

Not sure it Bangla is the 2nd best, but i would surely love to see them vs Pakistan.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Tired of this. World cup will settle this debate.

I predict that in the WC Pakistan will post 378/5 and Bangladesh will be all out for 74. Pakistan will take a mammoth victory and shut the Bangla's forever.

 

[light]

Tired of this. World cup will settle this debate.

I predict that in the WC Pakistan will post 378/5 and Bangladesh will be all out for 74. Pakistan will take a mammoth victory and shut the Bangla's forever.

Am sorry but which gun batsmen do you have to post a total of 378?. even with Virat and Rohit both scoring 100, we would struggle to score that. Y'all PAK fans as blind as some of the BD fans.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Am sorry but which gun batsmen do you have to post a total of 378? ***** ... even with Virat and Rohit both scoring 100, we would struggle to score that. Y'all PAK fans as blind as some of the BD fans.

Chill I'm joking. I do think Pakistan will win though - Pak will score around 300 and Ban will make around 230 is my true guess.

 

[jnaveen1980]

BD can give any team a run for their money. Some of their players play for more than a decade They lack that one match winning bowler who turn the game on its head. If BD has someone like Rashid khan in their line up they can scare any opposition.

 

[GrandMaster]

A T20 competition involving Bangladesh, Pakistan and Afghanistan would be mouthwatering.

 

[MMHS]

This thread will never end until some PAK posters get rid of their arrogance. There is an ICC ranking, which is more or less acceptable to everyone ... so Afghans are better than BD in T20, Lankans are better in Test as well .... until it comes to PAK vs SRL in Test and the ODI ranking gap with India.

I can bring several posts from the time when BD was higher in ranking - it was about history then and it was to be settled in next Asia Cup .... now it comes to next WC..... if PAK wins that one - case settled and BD posters are laughing stalk, if not then we’ll have to wait for next encounter.... it goes on.

I am extremely upset here not because of the discussions in the thread which was opened by another troll, rather because of this selective bumping.

 

[Napa]

The question is...which format are we considering for this debate?
Is this based on tests? Then obviously it's Pak

I have to ask though, why not SL? After all they are also Asian and did whitewash Pak away from home.

 

[BDfanforever]

Here is the handy dandy chart for you guys those who still interested. I only captured most recent events I found relevant. Note: Lower Average place is better.

 

[GrandMaster]

I have to ask though, why not SL? After all they are also Asian and did whitewash Pak away from home.

The answer is simple - Pakistan drew against England in England. It doesn't matter if Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka or New Zealand at home but what matters is the performance in England against England.

 

[light]

Chill I'm joking. I do think Pakistan will win though - Pak will score around 300 and Ban will make around 230 is my true guess.

Are you also joking about 300? Your team's batsmen doesn't know how to play modern era cricket with thier 80 SR. Also, each time I see you guys face BD, y'all are like we will settle this once in for all type of attitude. Remember during asia cup, threads started to pop up about IND V PAK final and how your batsmen will deal with which of our bowlers, then came a B string BD without their 2 star players and pooped on your party ... HA!

 

[light]

Here is the handy dandy chart for you guys those who still interested. I only captured most recent events I found relevant. Note: Lower Average place is better.

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Here is another way of looking into it, zero cup in BD's closet. All these data becomes meaningless. Everyone remembers the cup, no one remembers the runners up. So there is that ...

 

[saeed5646]

Are you also joking about 300? Your team's batsmen doesn't know how to play modern era cricket with thier 80 SR. Also, each time I see you guys face BD, y'all are like we will settle this once in for all type of attitude. Remember during asia cup, threads started to pop up about IND V PAK final and how your batsmen will deal with which of our bowlers, then came a B string BD without their 2 star players and pooped on your party ... HA!

Pakistan recently scored 317 against rabada,steyn in Sa what make you think pakistan will not score against less potient bd attack.it seems you inner bd is getting better of you .you can hyped bd to what ever hieght you want if they were that good they would have been rank higher than us which they are not

 

[BaankeJi]

Just use ICC rankings to settle it. As it is, ICC rankings are calculated by mutually agreed formula.

 

[latecut]

By ICC ranking, Bangladesh are nowhere near being the second best team in Asia. That is why Bangladeshi fans feel the need to come up with their own illogical "ranking" system.

 

[RyanRyan10]

The question is...which format are we considering for this debate?

Is this based on tests? Then obviously it's Pak
Is it based on T20s? Then it's one of India or Pak and there are already many threads on that topic which cannot be resolved until India and Pak play T20s against each other regularly.
Is it based on ODIs? Is it based on ODIs in Asia or abroad? Is it based on CT? Then it's India. Is it based on Asia cup? If that's the case, despite the final, I thought Afghans were clearly the 2nd best team in the tournament. Nobody could beat Afghans easily in any game. Is it based on H2H between Pak and BD? Then BD is the winner. There's no point in extrapolating based on how each team performed against some random team. How about we all agree to pick up the debate after the H2H in the world cup. Neutral conditions, pressure games and there is a context and importance to each game.

2nd best test team in Asia is Sri Lanka
Only Pak fans and those take posts on this forum too seriously believe Pak are a better test side

 

[light]

Pakistan recently scored 317 against rabada,steyn in Sa what make you think pakistan will not score against less potient bd attack.it seems you inner bd is getting better of you .you can hyped bd to what ever hieght you want if they were that good they would have been rank higher than us which they are not

Look who came to debate me ... It was a satire post regarding the 378 remark he made to which i replied back with another satire post about 300 not rechable mr sensitive. Let me give you back your own advise, don't jump into the bandwagon while others are debating. Seems like your inner love for BD is poping out since you need to always brush up against them and their fans.

 

[Stalin]

2nd best test team in Asia is Sri Lanka
Only Pak fans and those take posts on this forum too seriously believe Pak are a better test side

In tests , certainly Sri Lanka are the second best. But in LOI, Pakistan are way better.
I think now Sri Lanka can beat Bangladesh in all formats (H & A) , unlike last couple of years. Their batting has improved a lot and and fast bowling looks quite promising.

 

[a_tahir]

2nd best test team in Asia is Sri Lanka
Only Pak fans and those take posts on this forum too seriously believe Pak are a better test side

Mate, the odds tell you who is better.
Pakistan's odds vs sa were 4/1 to win the match.
Sri Lanka's odds vs sa were 12/1 to win the match.
It's pretty clear who's better.
Just because of the 2017 series, you can't degrade a team like that.

 

[a_tahir]

I have to ask though, why not SL? After all they are also Asian and did whitewash Pak away from home.

In 2017 though.

 

[as-95]

Don't start it again - 26th SEP 2018 should have been enough for some of you. And yes, they day BD scored 15/6 after 16 overs in NZ, in a series saver - you can come back to troll here. I don't want to bring PAK's tour of NZ a year back, but don't you guys have any shame to play this hide & seek game every time BD plays?

We are still far ahead of Bangladesh in the cricket rankings so the poster is well within his rights to mock Bangladesh as the second best side in asia. Stop being so sensitive and take the L )

 

[Napa]

In 2017 though.

As two countries play Tests every two or more years, what happened in 2017 is still relevant.

 

[RyanRyan10]

In tests , certainly Sri Lanka are the second best. But in LOI, Pakistan are way better.
I think now Sri Lanka can beat Bangladesh in all formats (H & A) , unlike last couple of years. Their batting has improved a lot and and fast bowling looks quite promising.

I gave my opinion only on tests

 

[JattMaula]

Here is the handy dandy chart for you guys those who still interested. I only captured most recent events I found relevant. Note: Lower Average place is better.

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Asia Cup 16 was T20.

 

[MMHS]

We are still far ahead of Bangladesh in the cricket rankings so the poster is well within his rights to mock Bangladesh as the second best side in asia. Stop being so sensitive and take the L )

Nobody has the right to mock any team, no matter where there team is ranked. Even if so had any Bangladeshi poster started it there could have been a sense. If you think that some troll will bump threads to mock BD (or any team) and get away with, PP is not your place.

 

[rhony]

2nd best test team in Asia is Sri Lanka
Only Pak fans and those take posts on this forum too seriously believe Pak are a better test side

SL have been pathetic for a couple of years tbh

 

[BreadPakoda]

Thread has got very heated. IMO there’s no need for having a go at Bangladesh when they are losing to NZ away.

Any way, these games are more to test team combinations. Outcomes are not very important. What matters is the World Cup and that’s still some time away.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

What are Bangladesh's achievement in cricket? Their trophy cabinet is completely bare. Their greatest ever achievement is reaching semifinal of a world tournament, the same one that Pakistan ended up winning.

BD fans should wait for their team to atleast win something, a Kitply cup, a Go-Go Pan Masla trophy, just something before resorting to chest thumping.

They have never won a tri series that involved a top 7 team, iirc.

 

[BDfanforever]

They have never won a tri series that involved a top 7 team, iirc.

We have not even won a tri series involving Zim/SRL/BD that too at home.

 

[BaankeJi]

Nobody has the right to mock any team, no matter where there team is ranked. Even if so had any Bangladeshi poster started it there could have been a sense. If you think that some troll will bump threads to mock BD (or any team) and get away with, PP is not your place.

Agree. Mocking any team is out of bounds.

 

[Hitman]

We are still far ahead of Bangladesh in the cricket rankings so the poster is well within his rights to mock Bangladesh as the second best side in asia. Stop being so sensitive and take the L )

I’m pretty sure you would not mind Indian fans mocking your team based on current day performances, right?

 

[as-95]

Nobody has the right to mock any team, no matter where there team is ranked. Even if so had any Bangladeshi poster started it there could have been a sense. If you think that some troll will bump threads to mock BD (or any team) and get away with, PP is not your place.

Apologies but when did you become a moderator and decide what type of people can post on PP? The forum is platform for cricket fans to express their views so if the poster wants to troll arrogant Bangladesh fans after another humbling, he is free to do so.

Bangladesh is a trash side so the fans should get some self awareness before behaving arrogantly.

 

[as-95]

I’m pretty sure you would not mind Indian fans mocking your team based on current day performances, right?

Seeing as Pakistan is the best T20 side in the world, the performance in that sector cannot be mocked as we are better than every other side anyway.

However, the ODI and Test performance needs considerable improvement as we are sitting mid table right now. Mocking fans of other teams is part and parcel of the game so it doesn't concern people who aren't overly sensitive

 

[as-95]

Agree. Mocking any team is out of bounds.

Mocking a team is out of bounds? ) Why are there so many sensitive people on the internet?) As they say in my part of town, "Grow a pair and suck it up"!

 

[MMHS]

Apologies but when did you become a moderator and decide what type of people can post on PP? The forum is platform for cricket fans to express their views so if the poster wants to troll arrogant Bangladesh fans after another humbling, he is free to do so.

Bangladesh is a trash side so the fans should get some self awareness before behaving arrogantly.

You are apologizing and then justifying your act in same post!!!! Bangladesh posters are most humble here in PP and I have been here for more than most. Rather you look yourself in mirror and learn to behave - there is enough evidence in PP itself.

 

[Ahmed216]

Here is the handy dandy chart for you guys those who still interested. I only captured most recent events I found relevant. Note: Lower Average place is better.

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How smart!! Conveniently ignored 2012 Asia cup.

 

[Ahmed216]

Mocking a team is out of bounds? ) Why are there so many sensitive people on the internet?) As they say in my part of town, "Grow a pair and suck it up"!

Agree. They cant take it back. Its a national problem.

 

[Varun]

*cough* Sri Lanka *cough*

 

[saeed5646]

*cough* Sri Lanka *cough*

SL have chance to outperformed india in sena countries in recent years .
India have won one test series in sena countries from recent years .

On the other hand SL already have series win against england in 2014 which means if they win the current one they will win 2 series compare to india 1

 

[Chokli]

disappointing performance really, was expecting a lot more from bangladesh


i guess they'll only be a good team in asia

 

[Varun]

SL have chance to outperformed india in sena countries in recent years .
India have won one test series in sena countries from recent years .

On the other hand SL already have series win against england in 2014 which means if they win the current one they will win 2 series compare to india 1

There, then this thread should be closed then.

India are the second best team in Asia.

 

[jnaveen1980]

SL have chance to outperformed india in sena countries in recent years .
India have won one test series in sena countries from recent years .

On the other hand SL already have series win against england in 2014 which means if they win the current one they will win 2 series compare to india 1

You do realize Srilanka has not won a single test in India don't you? Less than 2 years back Srialnka lost a home test to Bangladesh.

 

[Hitman]

You do realize Srilanka has not won a single test in India don't you? Less than 2 years back Srialnka lost a home test to Bangladesh.

India whitewashed Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in the Test, ODI and T20 series during it's last tour to the country.

 

[BaankeJi]

You do realize Srilanka has not won a single test in India don't you? Less than 2 years back Srialnka lost a home test to Bangladesh.

He is talking about performance in SENA countries only.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is talking about performance in SENA countries only.

They just got blanked in Australia, got thrashed in New zealand as well. All sena countries. West Indies, Pakistan, Srilanka all have done well there. IT is pointless to discuss about "relative performances". So many factors influence a series outcome.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India whitewashed Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka in the Test, ODI and T20 series during it's last tour to the country.

Yup. Couple of innings defeat and 300 plus run win.

 

[as-95]

You are apologizing and then justifying your act in same post!!!! Bangladesh posters are most humble here in PP and I have been here for more than most. Rather you look yourself in mirror and learn to behave - there is enough evidence in PP itself.

I’m not apologising for pointing out how poor Bangladesh is as a cricket side. I’m apologising for asking who you think you are by trying to state who belongs in this forum and who doesn’t.

Most of the Bangladeshi posters are not humble at all and this is the reason they get trolled after their cricket team is brutally humbled...

Also, nobody cares how long you’ve been here. If you behave arrogantly, you will get trolled once your team is humbled as per usual.

 

[MMHS]

I’m not apologising for pointing out how poor Bangladesh is as a cricket side. I’m apologising for asking who you think you are by trying to state who belongs in this forum and who doesn’t.

Most of the Bangladeshi posters are not humble at all and this is the reason they get trolled after their cricket team is brutally humbled...

Also, nobody cares how long you’ve been here. If you behave arrogantly, you will get trolled once your team is humbled as per usual��.

Yes, I have seen that during Asia cup.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Yes, I have seen that during Asia cup.

Lol you didn't even win the Asia cup, are you going to keep living off that Asia cup win vs Pakistan? Typical Bengali.

 

[RainMan_]

Lol you didn't even win the Asia cup, are you going to keep living off that Asia cup win vs Pakistan? Typical Bengali.

Why would we keep living off the win vs Pak in Asia Cup. No, we would not.

It's a well known fact that current Bangladesh team is a far better odi team than Pakistan especially in Asian conditions. The way Bangladesh hammered and destroyed Pakistan in the last 5/6 matches they played against Pakistan suggests that Bangladesh is clearly the better team and would beat Pak/Sl/Zim 8 out of 10 times in odis.

 

[Torborg]

There, then this thread should be closed then.

India are the second best team in Asia.

India...second best team in Asia, but the best team in Australia.

You should play all home games in Australia.

 

[Hyperion66]

SL is the second best in test, not sure about odis, don't care about chaddi cricket.

 

[Torborg]

SL is the second best in test, not sure about odis, don't care about chaddi cricket.

Do you think they're better than Pakistan? I don't.

 

[saeed5646]

Why would we keep living off the win vs Pak in Asia Cup. No, we would not.

It's a well known fact that current Bangladesh team is a far better odi team than Pakistan especially in Asian conditions. The way Bangladesh hammered and destroyed Pakistan in the last 5/6 matches they played against Pakistan suggests that Bangladesh is clearly the better team and would beat Pak/Sl/Zim 8 out of 10 times in odis.

First win a single t20 as test and odi is beyond your team capability . your team is yet to register a single victory in newzealand.I won.t be surprised if nz in future follows aus step and aviod hosting bd in future.

 

[saeed5646]

SL is the second best in test, not sure about odis, don't care about chaddi cricket.

That is why there is ranking system by icc .i won.t be surprised your denied odi ranking also

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India...second best team in Asia, but the best team in Australia.

You should play all home games in Australia.

We have sympathy for the Australians . Their victories have already been tainted by Sandpaper gate . Don't want to humiliate them any further.

 

[a_tahir]

Why would we keep living off the win vs Pak in Asia Cup. No, we would not.

It's a well known fact that current Bangladesh team is a far better odi team than Pakistan especially in Asian conditions. The way Bangladesh hammered and destroyed Pakistan in the last 5/6 matches they played against Pakistan suggests that Bangladesh is clearly the better team and would beat Pak/Sl/Zim 8 out of 10 times in odis.

How can one be so delusional?
Out of the 4 consecutive wins u have over us, 3 have come the 2015 series. The asia cup match was just a fluke. We all know what happened when u went to south africa lol.

 

[Varun]

Whitewashed in the ODIs!

Supposedly their 'best' format.

 

[happydavy]

Another one of those paid holiday trips for Bdesh cricket team..just tour the country, click some photos and come back.

 

[Shoaib88]

IMO Bangladesh is the fifth best team in Asia (atleast against new zealand in new zealand)-
1) India
2) Pakistan
3) Sri Lanka
4) Afghanistan
5) Bangladesh
I put Afghanistan ahead of Bangladesh because I am sure Afghanistan will win at least one game out of 24 in one of the formats against new zealand in new zealand.

 

[Pakpak]

Whitewashed in the ODIs!

Supposedly their 'best' format.

They are simply living off 3 good series, mixed in with one odd win here or there, half a decade ago.

 

[Varun]

They are simply living off 3 good series, mixed in with one odd win here or there, half a decade ago.

Don't forget the 2007 World Cup fluke that keeps getting brought up every now and then.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If I were BD fan I would not float for any win any country for a significant period.

 

[a_tahir]

If Bangladesh beats a high ranked team it's called an upset but when Pakistan beats a high ranked team it is just good competition.
This should tell you who's better.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So, going by tours of new zealand , all other Asian teams have been whitewashed in ODIs and between them haven't won a single match This is sad. Asian cricket at its lowest.

 

[light]

Mustafizur went for 93 LOL!!!! What a shame really.

 

[light]

If Bangladesh beats a high ranked team it's called an upset but when Pakistan beats a high ranked team it is just good competition.
This should tell you who's better.

you're about 5 years too late for this statement.

 

[BDfanforever]

Sri Lanka went to the WC final 3 times, and winning it one of those times. They are right now on the verge of becoming the first Asian team to win Test series in RSA. It's really embarrassing to talk about Bangladesh becoming 2nd best Asian side when we haven't even won a tri-series involving Sri Lanka/Zim/BD.

Given the country size and population, it's safe to say historically Sri Lanka has been the best Asian team.

1. Sri Lanka
2. India
3. Pakistan
4. Bangladesh
5. Afghanistan