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Is Bangladesh really the second best team in Asia?

pakistani pride said:
Yes lets just take the last 6 years because prior to that BANGLA boys were winning tests abroad for fun...
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If you have to go beyond the last 6 years to prove that Pakistan team is better than BD at anything to related to cricket, that in itself speaks volumes . :)
 
a_tahir said:
How many series wins do Ban have in the SENA countries??
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It matters not. The fact is, currently, Pakistan are at par with BD or slightly worse in tests in the southern hemisphere, depending on the outcome of this match. Pakistan were , historically, the best Asian team in these conditions but that does not matter now.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
When was the last time you beat them in an ODI match? How is your record any better than theirs in tests in NZ, SA,AUS? These are facts too brother.
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How many times have we played them after 2015?
Once.
We lost but we're obvs better. Could u ever expect ban to win 2 matches against sa in sa?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It matters not. The fact is, currently, Pakistan are at par with BD or slightly worse in tests in the southern hemisphere, depending on the outcome of this match. Pakistan were , historically, the best Asian team in these conditions but that does not matter now.
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so why they rank lower than us? .Not a single player in icc top 10 test ranking neither batsmen nor bowler
its seems desh bakht are getting effective by social media
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
When was the last time you beat them in an ODI match? How is your record any better than theirs in tests in NZ, SA,AUS? These are facts too brother.
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What about England? Forgot it? Lol! Pak have a better record than even India let alone BD in the last two tours. :maqsood
 
Nikhil_cric said:
When was the last time you beat them in an ODI match? How is your record any better than theirs in tests in NZ, SA,AUS? These are facts too brother.
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as if india have set Sa on fire .5 more test than pakistan and only one test ahead of pakistan if you talking about odis we have better record than india in sa

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Ahmed216 said:
BD have never won a single series in SENA in any format(correct me if wrong) and have no ICC or Asian triumphs, this makes them the best side in Asia.
Time to remove this thread.
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R u forgetting the fact that even 20 years haven't passed since BD started playing international cricket?

How on earth r u expecting them to win series in SENA? How many times have Pakistan won test series in SA or AUS in last 70/80 years?

How many times have India won in SENA in last 100 years?

BD has already become a fearsome opposition at home. Even though BD's first class structure isn't more than 20 years old it has already produced one of the greatest all-rounders of all time aka Shakib. Moreover, players like tamim, mushy, Fizz, mahamudullah r the shinning stars of World cricket.

Just imagine what BD would've done and what sort of players would've come out of BD's domestic structure if they had had the experience of playing international cricket for 70/80 years like Pak or India.
 
RainMan_ said:
R u forgetting the fact that even 20 years haven't passed since BD started playing international cricket?

How on earth r u expecting them to win series in SENA? How many times have Pakistan won test series in SA or AUS in last 70/80 years?

How many times have India won in SENA in last 100 years?

BD has already become a fearsome opposition at home. Even though BD's first class structure isn't more than 20 years old it has already produced one of the greatest all-rounders of all time aka Shakib. Moreover, players like tamim, mushy, Fizz, mahamudullah r the shinning stars of World cricket.

Just imagine what BD would've done and what sort of players would've come out of BD's domestic structure if they had had the experience of playing international cricket for 70/80 years like Pak or India.
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Dude no offense but, BD is yet to win even a home series against any of decent sides except maybe WI and NZ and they havent even won ODI series against any of the SENA teams overseas and won one against SA in home.

Hopefully BD team will improve and they can change the course. Till than I cant deny the facts and accept wrong info and facts being spread in this thread.
 
Ahmed216 said:
This thread has the most manipulative posts on PP by Indians and BDs.
No surprises
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Exactly, one of the few threads without any backing if facts and figures. Just emotions and dreams are here on all the 8 pages.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Pakistan beat NZ in NZ in 2004/05 and in 2010/11.
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It's irrelevant to be honest. Pak was a good team in the past. But sadly their glorious past is long gone.

To be completely honest in my opinion current odi ranking in Asia in Asian condition will be something like this

India
BD
Pak
SRL
Afg

However, In tests strengths of BD, Pak, Srl r almost similar.
 
RainMan_ said:
R u forgetting the fact that even 20 years haven't passed since BD started playing international cricket?

How on earth r u expecting them to win series in SENA? How many times have Pakistan won test series in SA or AUS in last 70/80 years?

How many times have India won in SENA in last 100 years?

BD has already become a fearsome opposition at home. Even though BD's first class structure isn't more than 20 years old it has already produced one of the greatest all-rounders of all time aka Shakib. Moreover, players like tamim, mushy, Fizz, mahamudullah r the shinning stars of World cricket.

Just imagine what BD would've done and what sort of players would've come out of BD's domestic structure if they had had the experience of playing international cricket for 70/80 years like Pak or India.
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Categorising Shakib as one of the greatest all-rounders of all time. At least dont let urself come across as naive and stupid
 
RainMan_ said:
R u forgetting the fact that even 20 years haven't passed since BD started playing international cricket?

How on earth r u expecting them to win series in SENA? How many times have Pakistan won test series in SA or AUS in last 70/80 years?

How many times have India won in SENA in last 100 years?

BD has already become a fearsome opposition at home. Even though BD's first class structure isn't more than 20 years old it has already produced one of the greatest all-rounders of all time aka Shakib. Moreover, players like tamim, mushy, Fizz, mahamudullah r the shinning stars of World cricket.

Just imagine what BD would've done and what sort of players would've come out of BD's domestic structure if they had had the experience of playing international cricket for 70/80 years like Pak or India.
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So delusional holy. I agree shakib is a good player but the rest are meh. Tamim Iqbal, Mahmadullab, Mustafizur are all above average or medicre players by world standards.

Can't wait till we pump Bangladesh in the world cup
 
Titan24 said:
Dude no offense but, BD is yet to win even a home series against any of decent sides except maybe WI and NZ and they havent even won ODI series against any of the SENA teams overseas and won one against SA in home.

Hopefully BD team will improve and they can change the course. Till than I cant deny the facts and accept wrong info and facts being spread in this thread.
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No problem my friend.

I m here to clear out all the confusion associated with BD team.

In case u didn't know, BD has already won series against Ind, Pak and Sa at home.

They have whitewashed NZ and WI as well. Also don't forget the fact that they have drawn test series against NZ, Eng and Aus. What's more important is the fact that all these have come in last 7/8 years.

Bangladesh have already become a formidable force in Asia (look at the way they have been dominating Asia Cup in recent times) and within next 7/8 years they will start winning series outside Asia as well.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
So delusional holy. I agree shakib is a good player but the rest are meh. Tamim Iqbal, Mahmadullab, Mustafizur are all above average or medicre players by world standards.

Can't wait till we pump Bangladesh in the world cup
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Doesn't matter what u think my friend. They r some of the best players in the world right now. I don't know ur nationality. But If u r a Pakistani then I have to say that u r right about the fact that Shakib is better than any player currently playing for Pakistan. So, thank u for accepting the truth for once.

As for Tamim, he's easily one of the best openers in the world right now across all formats. I won't say much about mushy. His mind boggling batting stats in last 2/3 years speaks for himself. Mushy is perhaps the second or third best middle order batsman from Asia.

As for world cup, I think its only a matter of time before it becomes 5-0. I m least concerned about that match. I know, we will come out on top without even breaking a sweat. It's the match against India that I m more worried about due to biased umpires.
 
RainMan_ said:
No problem my friend.

I m here to clear out all the confusion associated with BD team.

In case u didn't know, BD has already won series against Ind, Pak and Sa at home.

They have whitewashed NZ and WI as well. Also don't forget the fact that they have drawn test series against NZ, Eng and Aus. What's more important is the fact that all these have come in last 7/8 years.

Bangladesh have already become a formidable force in Asia (look at the way they have been dominating Asia Cup in recent times) and within next 7/8 years they will start winning series outside Asia as well.
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Key word: HOME

The wc is in England.
U'll not do anything there. You're gonna get whipped
 
saeed5646 said:
what about test matches of SL in SA compare to india :babar
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Titan24 said:
It obviously proves Srl is a better team than Indian against full strength SENA teams. :uakmal
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HappyWarsFan said:
Pakistan beat NZ in NZ in 2004/05 and in 2010/11.
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SL have done remarkably well. They also trashed PAK 2-0 like they were minnows not too long ago. India don't have a great record in SA in last 6 years but PAK were whitewashed twice and then whitewashed in NZ and in Australia. That is minnowesque.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
SL have done remarkably well. They also trashed PAK 2-0 like they were minnows not too long ago. India don't have a great record in SA in last 6 years but PAK were whitewashed twice and then whitewashed in NZ and in Australia. That is minnowesque.
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So now goal shifting from original post.?india have worse test record than SL in Sa and comparable to pakistan so i don.t know where your 6 year number are coming from .pak have already better odi win ratio in sa
 
saeed5646 said:
what about test matches of SL in SA compare to india :babar
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Titan24 said:
It obviously proves Srl is a better team than Indian against full strength SENA teams. :uakmal
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saeed5646 said:
So now goal shifting from original post.?india have worse test record than SL in Sa and comparable to pakistan so i don.t know where your 6 year number are coming from .pak have already better odi win ratio in sa
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Im talking only about recent times. If you are going to bring up meaningless records from a long time ago then there's no point comparing .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Im talking only about recent times. If you are going to bring up meaningless records from a long time ago then there's no point comparing .
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Get a life buddy .pakistan last played in aus against strong aus side back in 2016 and in nZ also 2016. is this is what you call in your term recent times?Specific filter is not always right
 
lol bangladesh finally manages to win a few games against pak after God knows how many years and they are thumping like they're world beaters now.

tamim, mushy, shakib, mashrafe, riyadh.... these guys have been playing for so long now and they still can't compete overseas consistently.

these odi series versus new zealand was a great way to showcase to the world that they're the real deal... but no difference between this series in 2019 and the one from previous years.
 
Bangladesh is indeed the second best team in Asia outside India, Pakistan and Lanka. Afghanistan being the number 1.
 
Pakistan won their first CWC after 45 years of their independance.
While Ban's independance was 48 years ago. They aren't even CLOSE to win a world cup.
They'll be lucky to even win a single game considering the teams they'll face.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
If BD draw this match, they would be a better team in the southern hemisphere than Pakistan who have lost every test match in last 6 years in the southern hemisphere . :ashwin
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They wrapped up the game in 2 and a half days. Lol.
And u were hoping for a draw.
 
RainMan_ said:
No problem my friend.

I m here to clear out all the confusion associated with BD team.

In case u didn't know, BD has already won series against Ind, Pak and Sa at home.

They have whitewashed NZ and WI as well. Also don't forget the fact that they have drawn test series against NZ, Eng and Aus. What's more important is the fact that all these have come in last 7/8 years.

Bangladesh have already become a formidable force in Asia (look at the way they have been dominating Asia Cup in recent times) and within next 7/8 years they will start winning series outside Asia as well.
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You have just written what I have already stated in my post. And the things you have written, do you really consider these achievements that make BD a top team?

Come on, havent won a home test series in 2 decades except against NZ and WI out of decent teams, how is this an achievement. Winning 3 home series in ODIs against top sides and reaching couple of Asia cup finals in few decades, is that what these 8 pages are to talk about and how great these achievements are?
 
RainMan_ said:
It's irrelevant to be honest. Pak was a good team in the past. But sadly their glorious past is long gone.

To be completely honest in my opinion current odi ranking in Asia in Asian condition will be something like this

India
BD
Pak
SRL
Afg

However, In tests strengths of BD, Pak, Srl r almost similar.
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Show me any ranking or any real cricketing expert’s opinion who shares the same sentiments. I respect your emotions however they cant change the facts and reality.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Im talking only about recent times. If you are going to bring up meaningless records from a long time ago then there's no point comparing .
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In recent times Pak have drawn test series in Engalnd twice where India lost like a minnow and Srl won against SA where India lost 0-2 before winning a dead rubber.
 
Titan24 said:
Show me any ranking or any real cricketing expert’s opinion who shares the same sentiments. I respect your emotions however they cant change the facts and reality.
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The fact that he said the test strength of pak, ban and sl is almost similar made lol.
He's too biased.
 
Outside BD they are still treated as minnows. Not sure if they could have pulled it off against other teams. Having the confidence of taking 20 wickets under 3 days and scoring at 5 an over at the same time.
 
Don't care if BD is second best team in Asia or not but this thread got bumped up before when Bangladesh lost games for people to mock the team so it's time to bump it again after the win which is only fair.
 
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Bangladesh_Fan said:
Don't care if BD is second best team in Asia or not but this thread got bumped up before when Bangladesh lost games for people to mock the team so it's time to bump it again after the win which is only fair.
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Fair enough
 
Hard to say.
They recently got thrashed 3-0 vs nz and properly thrashed 3-0 vs sa in 2017. So they're not performing outside BD either. They always have the odd performance vs a top team in a world tournament but outside that alongside pakistan BD haven't really performed too well either in SENA countries. When was the last time they beat a top 5 team in a bilateral series outside BD?
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Hard to say.
They recently got thrashed 3-0 vs nz and properly thrashed 3-0 vs sa in 2017. So they're not performing outside BD either. They always have the odd performance vs a top team in a world tournament but outside that alongside pakistan BD haven't really performed too well either in SENA countries. When was the last time they beat a top 5 team in a bilateral series outside BD?
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The answer is we haven't and that is pretty embarrassing. But we don't play enough. From the current top 7 we have never, i repeat never toured India for a proper series, last time we toured Australia was back in 2007. England in 2010. When you dont get to play overseas, how are you supposed to improve? Yes our record against NZ and SA whom we toured recently is very poor but when you play so little you don't improve. Compare with a team like Pakistan. Pakistan have toured SA, Aus, England recently.
 
Executioner said:
The answer is we haven't and that is pretty embarrassing. But we don't play enough. From the current top 7 we have never, i repeat never toured India for a proper series, last time we toured Australia was back in 2007. England in 2010. When you dont get to play overseas, how are you supposed to improve? Yes our record against NZ and SA whom we toured recently is very poor but when you play so little you don't improve. Compare with a team like Pakistan. Pakistan have toured SA, Aus, England recently.
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I think you have a decent amount of away games in your FTP I think which is good for the development of Bangladesh Cricket.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
I think you have a decent amount of away games in your FTP I think which is good for the development of Bangladesh Cricket.
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There is huge disparity between the amount of away games we get vs home games. We have played a lot at home hence you see us do well at homes. Give us away games and you will see be more comfortable overseas. We are beating teams in Multinational tournaments when it matters because we get a lot of time to prepare and adjust.

Once again let me give the stats

England - last toured in 2010
Aus - Las toured in 2008
India - Never decided to invite us for a LOI series even despite our improved performances

I hope we have more matches in our FTP. But if we don't, we will continue to be mediocre.
 
Executioner said:
There is huge disparity between the amount of away games we get vs home games. We have played a lot at home hence you see us do well at homes. Give us away games and you will see be more comfortable overseas. We are beating teams in Multinational tournaments when it matters because we get a lot of time to prepare and adjust.

Once again let me give the stats

England - last toured in 2010
Aus - Las toured in 2008
India - Never decided to invite us for a LOI series even despite our improved performances

I hope we have more matches in our FTP. But if we don't, we will continue to be mediocre.
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Do you have more away matches in your FTP?
 
Bangladesh_Fan said:
Don't care if BD is second best team in Asia or not but this thread got bumped up before when Bangladesh lost games for people to mock the team so it's time to bump it again after the win which is only fair.
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It would have more "fair enough "to bump the thread if your team have cross Pakistan in "single format "in icc ranking .Pakistan have lost 11 odis in the troat till mantain Ranking above bd so you can imagine where your team stands
 
Asia Cup already proved it. No question, they are 2nd best after India. We are probably after Sri Lanka i think.
 
I can see Pakistan-Bangladesh emerging as a great rivalry over the next decade.
 
At this moment in time yes. Their batting was better than Pakistan already but the decline of Pakistan's bowling means that Bangladesh are better in all departments.
 
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Pakistan peak is always above Asian countries baring india to some extent. Don.t underestimate pak team otherwise they won't even give you chance to blink
 
Pakistan is clear second with the arrival of Shaheen Afridi. You got yourself a superstar.

BD is #3 probably.
 
It's pretty obvious that pak is the 2nd best team in Asia currently but that in itself is an insult.
It's nothing to be proud about.
 
Cornered Pakistan still will be the best Asian side. Pakistan needs a danda every now and then and then they play scary. Bangladesh stood no chance today.
 
Bdesh overachieved in this WC by defeating SA and half injured WI. Else defeating Afghanistan would and should have been their only victory. 20 years+ and still the same stuff. Their team and their fans still keep asking for respect when they should be earning that.
 
Pakistan comfortably are the better team between the two
 
sjahmed23 said:
Cornered Pakistan still will be the best Asian side. Pakistan needs a danda every now and then and then they play scary. Bangladesh stood no chance today.
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Its not yet better than India, might be after 2 years but not yet , plus India will play this way in Eng, Sa, Asia Aus.
Pak plays like this mostly in England..
 
JaDed said:
Its not yet better than India, might be after 2 years but not yet , plus India will play this way in Eng, Sa, Asia Aus.
Pak plays like this mostly in England..
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you're right, Pak step up another gear in England. We thrive in these conditions. Bangladesh would definitely give us tough time on slow turners in Asia. But as things stands, they are still short, in every sense of the word :asif
 
Not yet
Losing a test match against afg is a bit embarrassing
BD's test team is extremely weak
 
I used to defend this joke of a team. But, losing a home Test against Afghanistan is unacceptable.

They are clear minnows currently. I don't know if that will change anytime soon.
 
sweep_shot said:
I used to defend this joke of a team. But, losing a home Test against Afghanistan is unacceptable.

They are clear minnows currently. I don't know if that will change anytime soon.
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Not over yet.
 
This series will prove that in t20 format, not only is Bangladesh second best in asia currently but possibly even 1st. Also goes to show the flaws in t20 team rankings
 
Shoaib88 said:
This series will prove that in t20 format, not only is Bangladesh second best in asia currently but possibly even 1st. Also goes to show the flaws in t20 team rankings
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Yeah maybe you should've waited for the match to end...:yk3
 
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