Is Bangladesh really the second best team in Asia?

[Kroll]

Didn't Pakistan just got destroyed against India and almost lost yesterday against Afghanistan? Bangladesh scored more runs against India than Pakistan scored in their previous match. I agree that we lost badly against Afghanistan but u have to keep in mind that we fielded our C team in that match in order to do some experiment. Furthermore, against India our players were extremely tired for playing back to back matches in this unbearable playing condition, all thx to the pathetic scheduling by ACC.

We were just making India feel good about themselves as we were being charitable in the month of Ashura; before we teach them a cricketing lesson in the next match and possibly in the final. Big hearts and all that.

 

[RainMan_]

Mate you have won four maximum five games against Pakistan since your creation.
Show some humility.

My dear friend, I am not saying that BD is a better odi team than Pakistan. Yes, Pakistan is slightly better than Bangladesh in ODIs, I don't disagree with this.

I m just saying that ppl r overreacting here. It's almost impossible to play back to back matches in this condition especially for a team like Bangladesh who don't have any experience of playing in this condition. Then add the fact that quite a few of our players r playing with injuries. These back to back matches along with hot and humid conditiont really took a toll on their body..
No wonder they couldn't play up to their potential.

 

[Usman Chadda]

My dear friend, I am not saying that BD is a better odi team than Pakistan. Yes, Pakistan is slightly better than Bangladesh in ODIs, I don't disagree with this.

I m just saying that ppl r overreacting here. It's almost impossible to play back to back matches in this condition especially for a team like Bangladesh who don't have any experience of playing in this condition. Then add the fact that quite a few of our players r playing with injuries. These back to back matches along with hot and humid conditiont really took a toll on their body..
No wonder they couldn't play up to their potential.

Bangladesh are in deep trouble if they slip up against Afghanistan tomorrow. They are better than how they have performed so far.

 

[RainMan_]

We were just making India feel good about themselves as we were being charitable in the month of Ashura; before we teach them a cricketing lesson in the next match and possibly in the final. Big hearts and all that.

Ur claim is quite hard to believe but I m ready to give u the benefit of the doubt.

Now coming back to Banglerdashi, u guys need to understand that since we r now among the big boys in ODIs, we sometimes take risk against smaller teams and experiment with our lineup to identify new players or to avoid risk of injuring a key player, especially in unimportant matches. We knew we could lose against Afghanistan if we dropped most of our key players but.

But still we did since that match didn't have much of a significance. Yes, we lost the match. But we shouldn't look much into this since Bangladesh dropped half of their teams in that match.

 

[RainMan_]

Bangladesh are in deep trouble if they slip up against Afghanistan tomorrow. They are better than how they have performed so far.

Totally agree with u. They r far far better than what they have shown so far in this tournament. We were just unlucky. These injuries and the poor scheduling of the tournament r the main reasons behind our subpar performance in last two matches.

 

[Peshwa]

India is easily the second best team in Asia when Pakistan checks their emotions and plays the right combo as we will see tomorrow.

Tomorrow never comes

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

We are talking ODI right?

I would say

1. India
2. Pakistan
3. Bangladesh
4. Sri Lanka
5. Afghanistan.

1 good win against SL and BD does not make Afghanistan a better team or 1 good tournament. We need to see consistent performances.

However if we go by potential then I think Afghanistan will be a superior side to BD and SL in maybe 10 years in the future.

 

[the_outsider]

Totally agree with u. They r far far better than what they have shown so far in this tournament. We were just unlucky. These injuries and the poor scheduling of the tournament r the main reasons behind our subpar performance in last two matches.

Stop making excuse for your sub-par team. Everyone is playing B2B. India played B2B and brushed off Pak. Afghanistan played B2B and gave Pak a huge scare. Your team is just average. That's all.

 

[ManFan]

India
PAK
BD
SL
AFG

Bottom three have very little difference between them.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Totally agree with u. They r far far better than what they have shown so far in this tournament. We were just unlucky. These injuries and the poor scheduling of the tournament r the main reasons behind our subpar performance in last two matches.

Both India and Afg played back to back, what's your new excuse when you get eliminated?

 

[Dios]

Did you get the answer to your question OP? This is a Bangladesh 'B' side too.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan looks like the fifth best team in Asia right now. The players are as dead as zombies out there, going through the motions. Unbelievable meltdown.

 

[JaDed]

Looks like.it, without Tamim and Shakib managed to defeat Pak outside BD.

 

[navin]

According to me, Pakistan is the strongest team in Asia currently. Champions trophy win is superior to 10 Asia cups wins and India won't get any credit even if they win all games in Asia cup now. Pakistan proved themselves at the biggest stage possible and India can only overcome Pakistan if they manage to reverse it in an equally bigger game. Anyway, here are my rankings -
1. Pakistan
2. India
3. Afghanistan
4. Sri Lanka
....
5. Bangladesh
6. Hong Kong, UAE, etc

I believe Bangladesh will regress very very badly with Sakib, Mushy, Tamim, Masrafe losing form/retiring in the next 2-3 years. After that they will be competing with Nepals, Hong Kongs etc. They will return to their original state. I can't see any good talent emerging from Bangladesh. Such talentless country in terms of cricketing skills.

Do you still have the same opinion?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

According to me, Pakistan is the strongest team in Asia currently. Champions trophy win is superior to 10 Asia cups wins and India won't get any credit even if they win all games in Asia cup now. Pakistan proved themselves at the biggest stage possible and India can only overcome Pakistan if they manage to reverse it in an equally bigger game. Anyway, here are my rankings -
1. Pakistan
2. India
3. Afghanistan
4. Sri Lanka
....
5. Bangladesh
6. Hong Kong, UAE, etc

I believe Bangladesh will regress very very badly with Sakib, Mushy, Tamim, Masrafe losing form/retiring in the next 2-3 years. After that they will be competing with Nepals, Hong Kongs etc. They will return to their original state. I can't see any good talent emerging from Bangladesh. Such talentless country in terms of cricketing skills.

It took just 4 days for this post to flip upside down. RIP

 

[MMHS]

No they're number one for sure, the greatest ODi's sorry i mean cricket playing country in the world.. (What i always read of Bangali posters)


India and Pakistan are par in ODI's and this will be proven later in this asia cup, the first match against them was a day off for Pakistan, this is a new team with lots of youngsters in coming months this team will gell and produce more results like the champions trophy

I can only say - grow up. You have spent enough time in PP to have some basic cricket understanding - if 10 years is not enough, next time you'll sound beyond delusion.

 

[Titan24]

In ODIs If Asia cup is to decide then yes but if international rankings and international tournaments are considered then no.

But definitely a good ODI side which can compete really well in this format. Though lagging behind a lot in the other formats and needs to improve in that.

 

[rhony]

They did reasonably well. They went to CT SF and finals in Asia Cup twice. But, They have lost of Afg heavily and won by a whisker. Pakistan is still the 2nd best team in Asia. It's a toss up between BD and Afg for the 3rd spot with SL firmly at 5th.

 

[MMHS]

Forget second best - Afghanistan are now a superior side to Bangladesh in any form of cricket without any doubt.

Asian rankings :

Most important- Tests

India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan
Bangladesh

I am tempted to make Bd higher if not for the fact that Bd are terrible in the hardest form of the game and Afghans have superior bowlers.

T20

Pakistan
India
Afghanistan
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh

Odi

India
Pakistan
Afghanistan
Bangladesh
Sri Lanka

Afghanistan have overtaken Bd for 3 reasons:

- far superior spin attack
- far superior athleticism
- strong, tough, Pathan mentality. Mentally tougher

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[navin]

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[BDfanforever]

They did reasonably well. They went to CT SF and finals in Asia Cup twice. But, They have lost of Afg heavily and won by a whisker. Pakistan is still the 2nd best team in Asia. It's a toss up between BD and Afg for the 3rd spot with SL firmly at 5th.

I have no problem when you say Pak is 2nd best team. However, by facts BD is still way ahead of AFG(24 ratings to be exact).

We don't care about your useless opinion which cannot be backed up by facts or evidence.

 

[MMHS]

In ODIs If Asia cup is to decide then yes but if international rankings and international tournaments are considered then no.

But definitely a good ODI side which can compete really well in this format. Though lagging behind a lot in the other formats and needs to improve in that.

Let's leave Asia Cup - just one odd tournament.

But, I have a multiple choice for you, a business case : 3.5 years back, we gave PAK a real hiding (in both sense, considering that hide means skin as well). But that was, against the weakest PAK in history, under the worst Captain ever, at home custom made Mirpur wicket, when we were in purple patch, and few good players were at their prime.

3.5 years later, this is a born again PAK, playing at adopted home where they have been playing for 35 years now, last 10 as host, under the greatest Captain PAK has got since Khan .... when our talent pool is barren, without best 2 players and one of them happens to be the No. 1 all-rounder in ODI for almost a decade now, outside Mirpur in a place last we played when some of the squad members were not even born ........ and the result is same, well almost same - this tool Liton wanted to catch with some estyle and dropped Asif, otherwise it would have been another bonus point.

Now, my question is - if this under-strength team can do such to THIS PAK side in an eliminator from a 12/3 start, against such a dynamic Captain and top order batting line up with 3 players averaging over 50, then there are few possibilities - 1. BD team must have improved ....... or PAK team is absolute rubbish under an equally matching Captain, made statistical fortune by bashing back-up teams of SRL & ZIM ....... these are mutually not exclusive condition - both can be correct at a time as well - which one you think is most likely?

A: BD improved
B: PAK is minnow level, as BD is still border line minnow & Sarfraz is a tool
C: Both A & B true
D: It's a fixed match - PAK players sold the game

You can choose multiple answers as well.

 

[Savak]

Let's leave Asia Cup - just one odd tournament.

But, I have a multiple choice for you, a business case : 3.5 years back, we gave PAK a real hiding (in both sense, considering that hide means skin as well). But that was, against the weakest PAK in history, under the worst Captain ever, at home custom made Mirpur wicket, when we were in purple patch, and few good players were at their prime.

3.5 years later, this is a born again PAK, playing at adopted home where they have been playing for 35 years now, last 10 as host, under the greatest Captain PAK has got since Khan .... when our talent pool is barren, without best 2 players and one of them happens to be the No. 1 all-rounder in ODI for almost a decade now, outside Mirpur in a place last we played when some of the squad members were not even born ........ and the result is same, well almost same - this tool Liton wanted to catch with some estyle and dropped Asif, otherwise it would have been another bonus point.

Now, my question is - if this under-strength team can do such to THIS PAK side in an eliminator from a 12/3 start, against such a dynamic Captain and top order batting line up with 3 players averaging over 50, then there are few possibilities - 1. BD team must have improved ....... or PAK team is absolute rubbish under an equally matching Captain, made statistical fortune by bashing back-up teams of SRL & ZIM ....... these are mutually not exclusive condition - both can be correct at a time as well - which one you think is most likely?

A: BD improved
B: PAK is minnow level, as BD is still border line minnow & Sarfraz is a tool
C: Both A & B true
D: It's a fixed match - PAK players sold the game

You can choose multiple answers as well.

MMHS will now load up on Pakistan being a minnow team. Fair enough, enjoy the moment

 

[BDfanforever]

Pakistan should be too good, Bangladesh has been disappointing through out this tournament...Pakistan 70-30 if not 75-25 for mine at this point.

I guess Simon Doull is still not happy with the thrashing BD gave to NZ at the Champions Trophy last year.

 

[kuskash]

Yes, Bang is #2 with India at #3. We all know which team is #1 on PP forum. Congrats Pak.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Enjoy while it lasts guys. We all know the conditions of this Asia cup dodjtnsuit our strengths. We will be back and you will know it because you won't have anywhere to hide then.

 

[MMHS]

Enjoy while it lasts guys. We all know the conditions of this Asia cup dodjtnsuit our strengths. We will be back and you will know it because you won't have anywhere to hide then.

Indeed, till then you should keep hiding for this post of yours -

According to me, Pakistan is the strongest team in Asia currently. Champions trophy win is superior to 10 Asia cups wins and India won't get any credit even if they win all games in Asia cup now. Pakistan proved themselves at the biggest stage possible and India can only overcome Pakistan if they manage to reverse it in an equally bigger game. Anyway, here are my rankings -
1. Pakistan
2. India
3. Afghanistan
4. Sri Lanka
....
5. Bangladesh
6. Hong Kong, UAE, etc

I believe Bangladesh will regress very very badly with Sakib, Mushy, Tamim, Masrafe losing form/retiring in the next 2-3 years. After that they will be competing with Nepals, Hong Kongs etc. They will return to their original state. I can't see any good talent emerging from Bangladesh. Such talentless country in terms of cricketing skills.

 

[BDfanforever]

^to be fair, he was kind enough to put BD ahead of Hong Kong, UAE.

 

[JaDed]

MMHS will now load up on Pakistan being a minnow team. Fair enough, enjoy the moment

Everyone loaded on him with BDs performances.

 

[light]

These type of threads pops up on a regular basis and people goes to some great length to bring back 30 years ago stats. Live in the moment people, not the past.

These are some highlights I have picked up from reading the comments:

BD is the worst team out of Asia (sometimes in the ranks of UAE/CO. - I know the hate is real for some of y'all for BD but seriously? 8/10 They will come out as winners against associates almost all the time beating them black and blue - just like how you guys did to ZIM.

Some even mentioned that BD is lower ranked than AFG in test? - LOL what? AFG played 1 freaking test match in their life, that too got a good thrashing from INDIA. What planet/reality are you living in?

One guy even said they will loose their ODI status soon cause the seniors will exit. Apart from Mashrafee, likes of Shakib and co has atmost 3 wordcup left within them. How soon is soon for y'all?

Why are some of the comments so looney? Indians too likes to take a dig at BD but even in indian cricket fan community, fans are not this blind.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] can we get your input on my bolded statement? How does your team fare up after Mashrafee departs - he is a very good captain - i doubt any other guy in the team can emulate that same confidence? How many Worldcups does the senior players have left within them? Also, how are the pipeline looking for the upcoming new youngsters - current ones in the team has nothing to show for TBH?

 

[MMHS]

These type of threads pops up on a regular basis and people goes to some great length to bring back 30 years ago stats. Live in the moment people, not the past.

These are some highlights I have picked up from reading the comments:

BD is the worst team out of Asia (sometimes in the ranks of UAE/CO. - I know the hate is real for some of y'all for BD but seriously? 8/10 They will come out as winners against associates almost all the time beating them black and blue - just like how you guys did to ZIM.

Some even mentioned that BD is lower ranked than AFG in test? - LOL what? AFG played 1 freaking test match in their life, that too got a good thrashing from INDIA. What planet/reality are you living in?

One guy even said they will loose their ODI status soon cause the seniors will exit. Apart from Mashrafee, likes of Shakib and co has atmost 3 wordcup left within them. How soon is soon for y'all?

Why are some of the comments so looney? Indians too likes to take a dig at BD but even in indian cricket fan community, fans are not this blind.
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] can we get your input on my bolded statement? How does your team fare up after Mashrafee departs - he is a very good captain - i doubt any other guy in the team can emulate that same confidence? How many Worldcups does the senior players have left within them? Also, how are the pipeline looking for the upcoming new youngsters - current ones in the team has nothing to show for TBH?

I'll write some thing on this for sure.

 

[Shandarchowka]

Indeed, till then you should keep hiding for this post of yours -

According to me, Pakistan is the strongest team in Asia currently. Champions trophy win is superior to 10 Asia cups wins and India won't get any credit even if they win all games in Asia cup now. Pakistan proved themselves at the biggest stage possible and India can only overcome Pakistan if they manage to reverse it in an equally bigger game. Anyway, here are my rankings -
1. Pakistan
2. India
3. Afghanistan
4. Sri Lanka
....
5. Bangladesh
6. Hong Kong, UAE, etc

I believe Bangladesh will regress very very badly with Sakib, Mushy, Tamim, Masrafe losing form/retiring in the next 2-3 years. After that they will be competing with Nepals, Hong Kongs etc. They will return to their original state. I can't see any good talent emerging from Bangladesh. Such talentless country in terms of cricketing skills.

Didn't you know that Asia cup was not going to do anything for Pakistan? Right from picking the squad everything went wrong. Pakistan is a team suited when pacers have something in the wicket. Even if Bangladesh wins this Asia cup no one will take them seriously because these wins came of stupid pitches.

 

[Buffet]

Didn't you know that Asia cup was not going to do anything for Pakistan? Right from picking the squad everything went wrong. Pakistan is a team suited when pacers have something in the wicket. Even if Bangladesh wins this Asia cup no one will take them seriously because these wins came of stupid pitches.

Well, it's the same pitches which Pakistan bowlers and batsmen have been playing for many years. Stupid or not, they should be playing better than others if everything else is equal.

 

[light]

Didn't you know that Asia cup was not going to do anything for Pakistan? Right from picking the squad everything went wrong. Pakistan is a team suited when pacers have something in the wicket. Even if Bangladesh wins this Asia cup no one will take them seriously because these wins came of stupid pitches.

So basically you guys are a one trick pony? Need some tailored made pitch to win? Same thing can be said about an X team - afg/bd for example in this case. Spin heavy team so a bouncy fast bowler pitch for them will be considered as stupid. BUT here is the real kicker, you guys gave the most wicket to BD pacers ... so then by your own logic, your FAST BOWLERS SUCKS? Hard pill to sallow to loose to BD-B team, I know. Pakistan cricket will go in the right direction if the team management sticks with these players and hope that they don't go the akmal/shezad way. Hard work pays off but takes time.

 

[Mainul]

Bangladesh has reached the Asia cup final 3 times out of last 4 Asia cups. What more do you want to label them 2nd best?

 

[Mainul]

BD has beaten Pakistan 4 times out of last 4 encounters in ODIs.Its 4-0.

 

[blackanhyellow]

BD has beaten Pakistan 4 times out of last 4 encounters in ODIs.Its 4-0.

3 of those matches came in a purple patch for Bangla, which was also the lowest point for Pakistan coincidentally.

During 2015, Bangla also beat India in an ODI series.

That purple patch is over.

One win against Pakistan does not make you better than Pakistan, just like the CT final did not make Pakistan a better ODI team than India.

 

[Balthazar]

Pakistan and Bangla are on par, for me. Pakistan did win CT but they are highly inconsistent and Bangladesh has been doing well to reach knockout stages in the world tournaments.

Though there is a clear gap as day-and-night between the best and the second best teams.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Bangladesh has reached the Asia cup final 3 times out of last 4 Asia cups. What more do you want to label them 2nd best?

How many of those has it won?

Out of the last 4 asia cups Pak won one and was a runner up in another.

Id say thats a better record as Pak actually won one.

 

[Executioner]

3 of those matches came in a purple patch for Bangla, which was also the lowest point for Pakistan coincidentally.

During 2015, Bangla also beat India in an ODI series.

That purple patch is over.

One win against Pakistan does not make you better than Pakistan, just like the CT final did not make Pakistan a better ODI team than India.

But tbh Bangladesh have won 6 of the last 7 LOI matches against Pakistan.

On paper Pakistan look really good but their performance against good sides have been below average and the reality is you lost again to a side who

-is missing their statistically best batsmen
-a key middle order batsmen who also bowls his quota.

 

[Messiah]

MMHS will now load up on Pakistan being a minnow team. Fair enough, enjoy the moment

U lot sure as hell deserve it. Show arrogance. Get arrogance back. Newton figured that out a long time ago

 

[blackanhyellow]

U lot sure as hell deserve it. Show arrogance. Get arrogance back. Newton figured that out a long time ago

lol our fans dont do naagin dance when pakistan beat someone.

 

[Darkie]

In ODIs If Asia cup is to decide then yes but if international rankings and international tournaments are considered then no.

Umm by International Rankings do you mean the ICC ranking? Well I'd say if you meant that one then Bangladesh is still right behind India and Pakistan and ahead of Srilanka and well ahead of Afghanistan in the ODI rankings.

As far as international tournament goes we have managed to reach the semifinals in CT and the Quarters in the WC in Australia, the last few runner-ups in Asia cups, the Trination Nidadhas trophy...now, don't you think it's unfair to put us on the same level as Afghanistan in ODIs just because our Bangladesh C lost to Afghanistan heavily in the league stages? Yes our future kind of looks bleak with the dearth in talented youngsters but in the present Bangladesh is definitely the 3rd best in Asia and arguably the second best because the last 4 ODIs Pakistan and Bangladesh faced each other Bangladesh won all 4 of them. Now, you might say in 2015 that was the worst team in Pakistan history and to that I can also say that the Bangladesh team you lost to in the Asia Cup is also a Bangladesh B team with Tamim and Shakib missing, Mushfique playing with a broken rib and the help of 24 painkiller injections and cramps, a half-limping Mashrafee and cramped up Mustafiz.

I don't need people's affirmation to claim we are the 2nd best or the 3rd best since I know we are judging by rankings and ability. Afghanistan may overtake is in the future and I really admire them and Bangladesh might fall behind but we'll see, only time can reveal the truth.

 

[light]

lol our fans dont do naagin dance when pakistan beat someone.

Come'n now. Don't be a sour looser. Every team celebrates differently. Just cause Champion dance looks cooler than naggin dance, doesn't mean WI too doesn't dance when they win matches. Give up the lame excuses already. I was watching the match, saw pak fans going crazy with ugly **** dance moves too on the stand aswell each time a wicket fell. Didn't look any better than the naggin dance.

 

[Executioner]

lol our fans dont do naagin dance when pakistan beat someone.

If they did then what's the harm. Enjoy your win. Celebrate it.

That's the beauty of sports

 

[Joseph Gomes]

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[Mainul]

3 of those matches came in a purple patch for Bangla, which was also the lowest point for Pakistan coincidentally.

During 2015, Bangla also beat India in an ODI series.

That purple patch is over.

One win against Pakistan does not make you better than Pakistan, just like the CT final did not make Pakistan a better ODI team than India.

It's not 1,it's 4. And BD got these 4 opportunities. You have to decide on result of available matches not on hypothesis what you are trying to do.BD played without Shakib and Tamim,so it was a B team.If BD lost yesterday we could have said the same excuse what you are putting it a out 2015 loss to BD.But we won and that really counts

 

[Bangalorean]

AFG and BD are almost similar IMO.

 

[topspin]

Bangladesh and Pakistan are about the same in Asia. Bangladesh slightly better on slow, gripping pitches whereas Pakistan are better on pattas with small grounds.

Outside Asia Pakistan >> Bangladesh.

India

BIG GAP


Pakistan

Smaller Gap

Bangladesh
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan

The bottom 3 are similar level but Sri Lanka is much better than the other two outside Asia.

 

[the_outsider]

Bangladesh and Pakistan are about the same in Asia. Bangladesh slightly better on slow, gripping pitches whereas Pakistan are better on pattas with small grounds.

Outside Asia Pakistan >> Bangladesh.

India

BIG GAP


Pakistan

Smaller Gap

Bangladesh
Sri Lanka
Afghanistan

The bottom 3 are similar level but Sri Lanka is much better than the other two outside Asia.

Disagree. Bangladesh is better than Pakistan outside Asia.

BD won the ODI series in WI recently. On the other hand, Pak lost 5-0 to NZ.

Pak reached the QF of 2015 WC. So did BD.

Pak reached CT17 final and was extremely lucky to face an off-colour India. BD faced the same Indian team at the SF and unfortunately for them, India was in full force that day.

It is a myth that Pakistan become a better team when playing outside Asia. If possible, they are even worse outside Asia.

 

[Pakhs]

Well its only one tournament I wont say Bangladesh is better than Pakistan over all. But reality for both teams is they both played **** last night and Pak played worst. It was a disaster of a tournament for Pakistan.

 

[Pakhs]

It's not 1,it's 4. And BD got these 4 opportunities. You have to decide on result of available matches not on hypothesis what you are trying to do.BD played without Shakib and Tamim,so it was a B team.If BD lost yesterday we could have said the same excuse what you are putting it a out 2015 loss to BD.But we won and that really counts

Bro Bangladesh is not better than Pak but yes they can surprise Pakistan every now and then and win odd matches. Even now they are not going to win this tournament. Pakistan is current CT winners Bangladesh will not win any ICC tournament for next 10 years nor they won one in last 10 years where Pakistan have won multiple titles.

 

[Pakhs]

Disagree. Bangladesh is better than Pakistan outside Asia.

BD won the ODI series in WI recently. On the other hand, Pak lost 5-0 to NZ.

Pak reached the QF of 2015 WC. So did BD.

Pak reached CT17 final and was extremely lucky to face an off-colour India. BD faced the same Indian team at the SF and unfortunately for them, India was in full force that day.

It is a myth that Pakistan become a better team when playing outside Asia. If possible, they are even worse outside Asia.

This is not true, Yes they have surprised Pakistan in this tournament and on odd occasions in the past. But they are yet to beat us when it counts say in ICC knockout match etc they are not even going to win this tournament the only team deserves to win will win this tournament i am sure. Pakistan is current CT winners Bangladesh will not win any ICC tournament for next 10 years nor they won one in last 10 years where Pakistan have won multiple titles.

 

[the_outsider]

This is not true, Yes they have surprised Pakistan in this tournament and on odd occasions in the past. But they are yet to beat us when it counts say in ICC knockout match etc they are not even going to win this tournament the only team deserves to win will win this tournament i am sure. Pakistan is current CT winners Bangladesh will not win any ICC tournament for next 10 years nor they won one in last 10 years where Pakistan have won multiple titles.

You're talking about the past. This current BD team will win more ODIs matches overseas than Pak.

 

[topspin]

To suggest Bangladesh is much better than Pakistan outside Asia and capable of winning more than 1 in 5 in Aus and England (like Pakistan did) when they got mauled 5 - 0 in SA is an absolute joke.

Pakistan got beaten 5-0 in NZ but India didn't do much better last time round tbf. NZ are very difficult to beat in ODIs at home.

 

[Pakhs]

You're talking about the past. This current BD team will win more ODIs matches overseas than Pak.

How can you say that? Most of Pak players are ranked higher than Bangladeshi players (specially the team they lost to yesterday). Yes i am very disappointed with how Pak played against all teams in this tournament and they were lucky to even win against Afghanistan. But they recently drew two series against England away and just to compare India lost last two 9-2. The only team in Asia they need to worry about long term is India who are clearly ahead.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

To suggest Bangladesh is much better than Pakistan outside Asia and capable of winning more than 1 in 5 in Aus and England (like Pakistan did) when they got mauled 5 - 0 in SA is an absolute joke.

Pakistan got beaten 5-0 in NZ but India didn't do much better last time round tbf. NZ are very difficult to beat in ODIs at home.

we won 5-1 in sa .NZ TOUR WAS IN 2014.tHE TEAM HAS CHANGED A LOT.

 

[Pakhs]

we won 5-1 in sa .NZ TOUR WAS IN 2014.tHE TEAM HAS CHANGED A LOT.

I dont think Indian team has changed a lot, its pretty the much same set of players. The fact is it can happen you can under perform every now and then, same has happened to Pak here. Having said that not having any specialist spinners really hurt their cause that was a blunder the selection committee must account for even the fans were saying about this before the tournament began. Without Hafeez who when allowed to bowl is a proper bowler they must play a specialist spin bowler even if its Yasir.

 

[BlackShadow]

I dont think Indian team has changed a lot, its pretty the much same set of players. The fact is it can happen you can under perform every now and then, same has happened to Pak here. Having said that not having any specialist spinners really hurt their cause that was a blunder the selection committee must account for even the fans were saying about this before the tournament began. Without Hafeez who when allowed to bowl is a proper bowler they must play a specialist spin bowler even if its Yasir.

You think wrong.

 

[BlackShadow]

On topic, Bangladesh is only superior in subcontinental/West Indian conditions. Apart from that, both sides are quite equal in terms of current strength.

 

[Pakhs]

You think wrong.

Apart from the two spinners who is different, Indian team main strength the top 3 are exactly the same. You would probably say the same in 3 years time about this team oh we have a better team now and team has changed.

 

[Pakhs]

On topic, Bangladesh is only superior in subcontinental/West Indian conditions. Apart from that, both sides are quite equal in terms of current strength.

They are not Superior in any conditions but yes they can beat Pak if they have a good day and Pak bad. Dnt forget we have drawn the test series against England and India lost 4-1 does that mean India is worst test side than Pak? But yes since this Pakistan side is not that great they can for sure lose to Bangladesh.

 

[BlackShadow]

Apart from the two spinners who is different, Indian team main strength the top 3 are exactly the same. You would probably say the same in 3 years time about this team oh we have a better team now and team has changed.

Bumrah, Kuldeep and Chahal, world's #1, #6 and #9 bowlers. All of them excel in non-subcontinental conditions and have taken Indian team to the next level. NZ won't stand a chance anywhere.

Current Pakistani team in comparison can barely stand it's ground against minnows, and looks hopeless against top-7 sides. There is no comparison.

 

[BlackShadow]

They are not Superior in any conditions but yes they can beat Pak if they have a good day and Pak bad. Dnt forget we have drawn the test series against England and India lost 4-1 does that mean India is worst test side than Pak? But yes since this Pakistan side is not that great they can for sure lose to Bangladesh.

Pakistan is still a decent Test side. But one of the worst when it comes to ODIs.

 

[Pakhs]

Bumrah, Kuldeep and Chahal, world's #1, #6 and #9 bowlers. All of them excel in non-subcontinental conditions and have taken Indian team to the next level. NZ won't stand a chance anywhere.

Current Pakistani team in comparison can barely stand it's ground against minnows, and looks hopeless against top-7 sides. There is no comparison.

I am not comparing Pak to India but I am saying bad tournament can happen to anyone. Plus your post is incorrect last time India played NZ which was at home India just managed to Win the last game to win the series given India is stronger at home than away and same with NZ we can safely say NZ will win again at home.

 

[BlackShadow]

I am not comparing Pak to India but I am saying bad tournament can happen to anyone. Plus your post is incorrect last time India played NZ which was at home India just managed to Win the last game to win the series given India is stronger at home than away and same with NZ we can safely say NZ will win again at home.

Last time India played NZ (2014), it was one of the strongest Kiwi sides ever, went on to be the world cup finalists. Still India did compete to an extent.

Current Kiwi side is average at best, and Pakistan losing 5-0, and not even competing in a single match is way worse. You cannot justify that performance citing what India did in 2014 (both India and NZ have changed a lot!). If India tours NZ today, Kiwis will be lucky to win a match.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I dont think Indian team has changed a lot, its pretty the much same set of players. The fact is it can happen you can under perform every now and then, same has happened to Pak here. Having said that not having any specialist spinners really hurt their cause that was a blunder the selection committee must account for even the fans were saying about this before the tournament began. Without Hafeez who when allowed to bowl is a proper bowler they must play a specialist spin bowler even if its Yasir.

Uh, it absolutely has. India's main players from SA series apart from Kohli were Kuldeep and Chahal, none of them were present in 2014.

 

[Pakhs]

Last time India played NZ (2014), it was one of the strongest Kiwi sides ever, went on to be the world cup finalists. Still India did compete to an extent.

Current Kiwi side is average at best, and Pakistan losing 5-0, and not even competing in a single match is way worse. You cannot justify that performance citing what India did in 2014 (both India and NZ have changed a lot!). If India tours NZ today, Kiwis will be lucky to win a match.

Totally wrong last time NZ played in India was in 2017 and india won 2-1 with last game result India 337/7 and NZ 331/7 lost by 6 runs. So according to you this average NZ side almost won and competed in India.

 

[Pakhs]

Uh, it absolutely has. India's main players from SA series apart from Kohli were Kuldeep and Chahal, none of them were present in 2014.

India's strength is their top order which was the same in both series and will be for net 2-3 years and then there will be change of guard.

 

[Hasan2K8]

Apparently according to some experts Afghanistan is better. Bangladesh are “minnows”. Well minnows mads to WC QF, CT SF, last 3/4 Asia Cup final, been ranked top 7 ODI since 2015 WC. Surely not bad for “minnows”. LOL

 

[topspin]

Last time India played NZ (2014), it was one of the strongest Kiwi sides ever, went on to be the world cup finalists. Still India did compete to an extent.

Current Kiwi side is average at best, and Pakistan losing 5-0, and not even competing in a single match is way worse. You cannot justify that performance citing what India did in 2014 (both India and NZ have changed a lot!). If India tours NZ today, Kiwis will be lucky to win a match.

India are certainly the better ODI outfit but in NZ I think they hold the advantage because there is more firepower in their batting from the likes of Munro all the way down. Spin won't play a big role in NZ but I'm pretty sure Santner will outbowl Chahal and Yadav because he knows how to bowl in those conditions.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

India's strength is their top order which was the same in both series and will be for net 2-3 years and then there will be change of guard.

India's main strength is now their bowling. They have good enough bowlers to win matches now, even with their mediocre middle order.

 

[Pakhs]

India's main strength is now their bowling. They have good enough bowlers to win matches now, even with their mediocre middle order.

Its not correct, Bowling didnt work against England or in CT. Spinners did a good job against SA but that's only one series. Let me tell you this India has a chance of winning the WC only because of top 3 if they fail they wont win simple. Even Bangladesh batting manged to score 260 odd against them in CT semi and Pak 338 which they lost due to those top 3 failing. ODI cricket is about batting fire power specially in the top order and its something PAK must realise too.

 

[BlackShadow]

Totally wrong last time NZ played in India was in 2017 and india won 2-1 with last game result India 337/7 and NZ 331/7 lost by 6 runs. So according to you this average NZ side almost won and competed in India.

Let's take a step back. So in this Bangla Vs Pakistan comparison, you are discounting Pakistan's NZ performance because India happened to struggle in NZ in 2014? How is it fair to Bangladesh? What if Bangldeshi fans write off their losses because a stronger XYZ team did worse in 2015?

India's strength is their top order which was the same in both series and will be for net 2-3 years and then there will be change of guard.

That was true for the time. India's bowling today is as big a strength as their top order.

 

[BlackShadow]

Its not correct, Bowling didnt work against England or in CT. Spinners did a good job against SA but that's only one series. Let me tell you this India has a chance of winning the WC only because of top 3 if they fail they wont win simple. Even Bangladesh batting manged to score 260 odd against them in CT semi and Pak 338 which they lost due to those top 3 failing. ODI cricket is about batting fire power specially in the top order and its something PAK must realise too.

Champion's Trophy didn't have the same attack (even then bowling was good except for one bad day)

Kuldeep was the best bowler in the series against England.

Bumrah was out injured.

 

[Pakhs]

Let's take a step back. So in this Bangla Vs Pakistan comparison, you are discounting Pakistan's NZ performance because India happened to struggle in NZ in 2014? How is it fair to Bangladesh? What if Bangldeshi fans write off their losses because a stronger XYZ team did worse in 2015?



That was true for the time. India's bowling today is as big a strength as their top order.

No I am not discounting anything Pak has been abysmal in this Asia Cup and deserved to be out. In fact they didn't play well in any game even against HK and they almost lost to Afghanistan as well, fact is that they are 8-0 against decent sides since CT. But my only point is they are not worst than Bangladesh as they have won nothing apart form odd games here and there which any team can. The fact also is Pak have actually won big tournament in the last 2 years etc (which you cant discount as sometime you have a gun team and still somehow dont win prime example could be England) Bangladesh have not.

Now lets talk about India's strength, fact is India's strength is their Top 3 which are better than any other team in the world currently. Example is give those 3 players to Pak and they will chase down Bangladesh score of 239 easily. Pakistan scored 237 against this India's attack without those 3 imagine if Pak had those 3 score would be a lot more and India would not be able to chase down the score without those 3 GUN players example being Afghanistan game against India.

 

[BlackShadow]

No I am not discounting anything Pak has been abysmal in this Asia Cup and deserved to be out. In fact they didn't play well in any game even against HK and they almost lost to Afghanistan as well, fact is that they are 8-0 against decent sides since CT. But my only point is they are not worst than Bangladesh as they have won nothing apart form odd games here and there which any team can. The fact also is Pak have actually won big tournament in the last 2 years etc (which you cant discount as sometime you have a gun team and still somehow dont win prime example could be England) Bangladesh have not.

Now lets talk about India's strength, fact is India's strength is their Top 3 which are better than any other team in the world currently. Example is give those 3 players to Pak and they will chase down Bangladesh score of 239 easily. Pakistan scored 237 against this India's attack without those 3 imagine if Pak had those 3 score would be a lot more and India would not be able to chase down the score without those 3 GUN players example being Afghanistan game against India.

The debate will drag us off-topic, so I will avoid that.

Last few years, I have seen Bangladesh dominate Pakistan in head to head encounters (even with a depleted side).

I am aware that those matches have been played in Asia, that's why I claimed that they were a better side in Asia.

Pakistan with their pace attack may claim to be a better side outside Asia, and I tend to agree. Overall, I still see both sides as pretty equal, and that's just my personal opinion.

 

[The Viper]

Bangladesh is better overall at the moment. Better in Asia and both teams are not really great outside so they are even outside but Bangladesh are better in Asia.

 

[Pakhs]

Bangladesh is better overall at the moment. Better in Asia and both teams are not really great outside so they are even outside but Bangladesh are better in Asia.

Then how come Pakistan have won CT and Bangladesh have not? How come Pakistan won the series against SA and Bangladesh got spanked so bad that we cant find another example in recent memory? Bangladesh are capable of wining odd games here and there and thats all they have done nothing different.

 

[Pakhs]

The debate will drag us off-topic, so I will avoid that.

Last few years, I have seen Bangladesh dominate Pakistan in head to head encounters (even with a depleted side).

I am aware that those matches have been played in Asia, that's why I claimed that they were a better side in Asia.

Pakistan with their pace attack may claim to be a better side outside Asia, and I tend to agree. Overall, I still see both sides as pretty equal, and that's just my personal opinion.

Pakistan is better everywhere and stats actually back that up! they are higher ranked. But thats not to say its a great Pakistan side because its not they have lost last 8 games in a row so they are not.