Is it right to put an individual or political party above your country?

[RizwanT20Champ]

Show me the post then? And why do you not answer the other questions while you are at it? You are raving because we exposed your cult leader as a terrorist sympathiser who must be tried for treason against the people of Pak.

 

[Bewal Express]

Show me the post then? And why do you not answer the other questions while you are at it? You are raving because we exposed your cult leader as a terrorist sympathiser who must be tried for treason against the people of Pak.

So here we go again, running. Are you up for the challenge or not. All I have to do is to show the video isn't fake and you will hold to your word and leave the forum or not. @emranabbas posted that he wasn't the governor at all and you like the post. Stop running and be a man.

 

[emranabbas]

So here we go again, running the beghairat that you are. Are you up for the challenge or not. All I have to do is to show the video isn't fake and you will hold to your word and leave the forum or not. @emranabbas posted that he wasn't the governor at all and you like the post. Stop running and be a man.

The guy in the video wasn't the governer of punjab he was a random guy from PPP party showing his displeasure towards PLMN what does the prove? Nothing!

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

The guy in the video wasn't the governer of punjab he was a random guy from PPP party showing his displeasure towards PLMN what does the prove? Nothing!

He simply avoids answering and then starts name calling and personal attacks.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I find it funny how supporters of ganja sharif care about a “united” Pakistan all of a sudden.

But, back when PTI were in power, the first thing ganja sharif did was play the religion card by putting pressure on PTI to remove a Atif Mian from his position because he was an Ahmedi. That doesn’t seem like a party that cares about “unity”.

A party that for 3 years would talk crap about COAS in the media from London, where was the unity then? Was it not your army then?

Whatever you think of PTI, whether they’re a terrorists party or whatever, the fact is that even with all the obstacles they faced, they still managed to humiliate ganja Sharif and his minions.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I find it funny how supporters of ganja sharif care about a “united” Pakistan all of a sudden.

But, back when PTI were in power, the first thing ganja sharif did was play the religion card by putting pressure on PTI to remove a Atif Mian from his position because he was an Ahmedi. That doesn’t seem like a party that cares about “unity”.

A party that for 3 years would talk crap about COAS in the media from London, where was the unity then? Was it not your army then?

Whatever you think of PTI, whether they’re a terrorists party or whatever, the fact is that even with all the obstacles they faced, they still managed to humiliate ganja Sharif and his minions.

Why can't any of you guys debate respectfully without name calling? Glad you brought up Atif, please walk me through how Supreme Leader threw his weight behind Mian and didn't fold? Oh wait...

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Why can't any of you guys debate respectfully without name calling? Glad you brought up Atif, please walk me through how Supreme Leader threw his weight behind Mian and didn't fold? Oh wait...

I’ll call him what I want, what will you do about it?

He folded because Ganja Sherandu came to senate to threaten the government with mass protests if he wasn’t removed.

Now, we all know how Pakistani’s treat Ahmedi’s. If he wasn’t removed, he would’ve been assassinated on the orders of ganja, his community would’ve been attacked.

IK shouldn’t have removed him, but the point is it was your lot that was promoting violence back then, where was the unity?

 

[HalBass9]

Once again toeing the Indian line, the cultists don't surprise me anymore. Save the India supapowa IPL bollywood lines for somewhere else. While democracy is definitely better than dictatorship, even if Rishwat disagrees, this 5th largest economy is a huge scam. I can guarantee you that people in Lahore/Punjab have far better living conditions and facilities than 95% of India.

Go ahead, stake your brilliance, if there’s any to bet.

 

[HalBass9]

Indian 5th largest is the biggest scam on earth. Its extremely lopsided. You are a smart guy, look up their gdp per capita and HDI numbers. The majority of the richness is divided amongst the select few. Most of the population lives under sub human conditions. Look up the recent Mahakhumb train incidents in Bihar for example. I can spend my entire lifetime quoting such examples.

I’m not saying India doesn’t have a huge poverty problem, and I’m definitely not calling it a superpower like some people exaggerate. But you can’t ignore the economic progress it’s made since the 90s. The US is still the only real superpower, but people there struggle too, despite strong job growth. That’s not because of a bad economy, it’s because of inequality, wealth distribution, and corporate greed.

Back in the 90s, India decided to move away from IMF loans and started investing heavily in itself, which led to real progress. Then came Modi, and things shifted, economic policies started serving more religious and ideological goals instead of growth. A good example. His recent US visit, which ended with him getting a “to do list” from the US before heading back.

The big difference between India and Pakistan is that in India, if a leader isn’t delivering, people can vote them out and change direction. In Pakistan, dictators always find a way to stay in power.

You’re saying democracy can’t work in Pakistan, but when has it ever really been given a chance?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I’ll call him what I want, what will you do about it?

He folded because Ganja Sherandu came to senate to threaten the government with mass protests if he wasn’t removed.

Now, we all know how Pakistani’s treat Ahmedi’s. If he wasn’t removed, he would’ve been assassinated on the orders of ganja, his community would’ve been attacked.

IK shouldn’t have removed him, but the point is it was your lot that was promoting violence back then, where was the unity?

Bro, I cannot do anything about what you want to say - I just choose not to engage in disrespectful discussions. I come from a civilized country and my upbringing doesn't allow me to disrespect others or take part in discussions where there is no respect.

With that said, your last line tells us all we need to know. The so-called saviour in the end wilted and all his talks of Naya Pakistan were just bogus to pull wool over your eyes. Sadly, you and many others were fooled.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

I’m not saying India doesn’t have a huge poverty problem, and I’m definitely not calling it a superpower like some people exaggerate. But you can’t ignore the economic progress it’s made since the 90s. The US is still the only real superpower, but people there struggle too, despite strong job growth. That’s not because of a bad economy, it’s because of inequality, wealth distribution, and corporate greed.

Back in the 90s, India decided to move away from IMF loans and started investing heavily in itself, which led to real progress. Then came Modi, and things shifted, economic policies started serving more religious and ideological goals instead of growth. A good example. His recent US visit, which ended with him getting a “to do list” from the US before heading back.

The big difference between India and Pakistan is that in India, if a leader isn’t delivering, people can vote them out and change direction. In Pakistan, dictators always find a way to stay in power.

You’re saying democracy can’t work in Pakistan, but when has it ever really been given a chance?

The big difference is the people's mandate is accepted in India even if they are not happy and it isn't who they voted for. Us on the other hand start crying if our hero is not in power and scream fake elections.

The simple fact is the disparity between rich and poor in India is too vast - a select few rich people hold most of the wealth while 70-80% of their population @Devadwal @Bhaag Viru Bhaag lives on 3$ or less a day, is that your standard for development?

 

[HalBass9]

The big difference is the people's mandate is accepted in India even if they are not happy and it isn't who they voted for. Us on the other hand start crying if our hero is not in power and scream fake elections.

The simple fact is the disparity between rich and poor in India is too vast - a select few rich people hold most of the wealth while 70-80% of their population @Devadwal @Bhaag Viru Bhaag lives on 3$ or less a day, is that your standard for development?

Your comments are a masterclass in contradiction, unintentionally proving a point.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Your comments are a masterclass in contradiction, unintentionally proving a point.

Boohoo you and your minions and your "large audience" can keep crying about the legitimacy of elections all you want. It is the same system that saw Dimmy in power - either accept that that was fake too, or stop crying and help the country move forward.

 

[psyoptica]

Boohoo you and your minions and your "large audience" can keep crying about the legitimacy of elections all you want. It is the same system that saw Dimmy in power - either accept that that was fake too, or stop crying and help the country move forward.

So I'm assuming, your guys have form 47s -- which is the basis for election legitimacy -- to prove they won fair and square?

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

So I'm assuming, your guys have form 47s -- which is the basis for election legitimacy -- to prove they won fair and square?

Who are "my guys"? I am a supporter of the country. I don't support any political party. I support the economy of the country, development and growth of the country. Problem with Dimi supporters is you see everything under your Dimmy colored lens.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Who are "my guys"? I am a supporter of the country. I don't support any political party. I support the economy of the country, development and growth of the country. Problem with Dimi supporters is you see everything under your Dimmy colored lens.

There's a ringing endorsement of democracy if I ever heard one.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

There's a ringing endorsement of democracy if I ever heard one.

I have always supported due process and democracy, Rishwat, hard as it may be for those whose tax goes towards the persecution of innocent Muslims to understand - the current party in power is a result of democracy winning. All economic indicators have seen an uptick despite the plunder and loot of the previous government on a scale hitherto unheard of.

 

[psyoptica]

Who are "my guys"? I am a supporter of the country. I don't support any political party. I support the economy of the country, development and growth of the country. Problem with Dimi supporters is you see everything under your Dimmy colored lens.

Isn't it obvious, you can't handle any criticism against your leader? It's not about development and growth of the country because if it was, you wouldn't be so aggrssive in defending your masters while at the same time ostracizing the supporters of your rival group. You can virtue signal here all you want want by using terms like unity but we all know it's BS.

 

[psyoptica]

So I'm assuming, your guys have form 47s -- which is the basis for election legitimacy -- to prove they won fair and square?

Sorry meant form 45s not 47s

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Isn't it obvious, you can't handle any criticism against your leader? It's not about development and growth of the country because if it was, you wouldn't be so aggrssive in defending your masters while at the same time ostracizing the supporters of your rival group. You can virtue signal here all you want want by using terms like unity but we all know it's BS

As said, supporters of the jailed criminal cannot see beyond party/region. The country is bigger than everyone, your criminal hero included.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have always supported due process and democracy, Rishwat, hard as it may be for those whose tax goes towards the persecution of innocent Muslims to understand - the current party in power is a result of democracy winning. All economic indicators have seen an uptick despite the plunder and loot of the previous government on a scale hitherto unheard of.

Must just be a coincidence that the leader of the governing party gets taken down and jailed before the successful elections deliver the required results then. I think after Daddy Zardari's shift in prison, he got smart and put his poodle son officially in charge. Not sure what you could jail Bilawal for unless it was gender issues.

 

[psyoptica]

As said, supporters of the jailed criminal cannot see beyond party/region. The country is bigger than everyone, your criminal hero included.

So by the same token, you also support jailed criminals because Nawaz and his entire family have a proven criminal record. It's just that they compromised their dignity (which they never had in the first place) to get the get out of jail pass from the army.
I have to say, you do sound like a flat earther or someone with very low level of intelligence to discern reality from fantasy. People like yourself have a very high tendency to be manipulated by their cult leaders.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Must just be a coincidence that the leader of the governing party gets taken down and jailed before the successful elections deliver the required results then. I think after Daddy Zardari's shift in prison, he got smart and put his poodle son officially in charge. Not sure what you could jail Bilawal for unless it was gender issues.

All the posh British act goes away and the true Dimi fanboy in you comes out when I touch a nerve, eh Rishwat I told you boy, this is the big league. You have been too used to Joshila, Devdal and company.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

So by the same token, you also support jailed criminals because Nawaz and his entire family have a proven criminal record. It's just that they compromised their dignity (which they never had in the first place) to get the get out of jail pass from the army.
I have to say, you do sound like a flat earther or someone with very low level of intelligence to discern reality from fantasy. People like yourself have a very high tendency to be manipulated by their cult leaders.

Lol Dimi supporters are the lowest common denominator when it comes to intelligence. I know you are frothing at the mouth - enjoy the cult leader getting special treatment in jail.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Must just be a coincidence that the leader of the governing party gets taken down and jailed before the successful elections deliver the required results then. I think after Daddy Zardari's shift in prison, he got smart and put his poodle son officially in charge. Not sure what you could jail Bilawal for unless it was gender issues.

Btw speaking of being jailed for gender issues, do you think your role model's "preferences" as mentioned by Reham in her book played a part?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

The big difference is the people's mandate is accepted in India even if they are not happy and it isn't who they voted for. Us on the other hand start crying if our hero is not in power and scream fake elections.

The simple fact is the disparity between rich and poor in India is too vast - a select few rich people hold most of the wealth while 70-80% of their population @Devadwal @Bhaag Viru Bhaag lives on 3$ or less a day, is that your standard for development?

Why do you keep tagging me like an attention seeker? You remind me of the following.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Why do you keep tagging me like an attention seeker? You remind me of the following.

Sorry bro, I wanted to tag a couple of Ind brothers so that you could attest to how the majority of your country lives on 3 dollars a day or less. Somehow my first thoughts were you and Devdal as you are proud Indians.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Your comments are a masterclass in contradiction, unintentionally proving a point.

He is like a broken notification bell, constantly tagging the same few people, hoping for attention like a lost puppy.

 

[psyoptica]

Must just be a coincidence that the leader of the governing party gets taken down and jailed before the successful elections deliver the required results then. I think after Daddy Zardari's shift in prison, he got smart and put his poodle son officially in charge. Not sure what you could jail Bilawal for unless it was gender issues.

So many coincidences all working in favor of PDM and against PTI.
In the last 24 months we have seen the following happen
- Judges filing their complaints with the supreme court about being harrassed by intelligence agencies and getting ignored by qazi Isa
- Qazi Isa actively defending the election commission over their judgement and picking up fights with his own fellow judges
- Every single judgement called against PTI by the top judge
- Blantant refusal of the EC to accept the Supreme court orders when the judgement was in favour of PTI
- Election symbol taken away from the biggest political party on some arbitary condition just before the election
- The leader of the biggest political party thrown into jail based on not on one but 170+ criminal charges. Guy must be at the level of Al Capone to be accumulating so much criminal history

The list goes on but people with tin foiled hats and mind due not even in Pakistan to have any clue of the ground realities have the gal to call the victims of this all liars. Sometimes I wonder if neanderthal really did go extinct as I see their attributes present in modern day humans

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

He is like a broken notification bell, constantly tagging the same few people, hoping for attention like a lost puppy.

Bro you have made not one post with insights and without that emoji, have a seat. I tagged you as I thought you would relate to living on less than 3 dollars a day like your countrymen. No offence intended.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sorry bro, I wanted to tag a couple of Ind brothers so that you could attest to how the majority of your country lives on 3 dollars a day or less. Somehow my first thoughts were you and Devdal as you are proud Indians.

 

[psyoptica]

Lol Dimi supporters are the lowest common denominator when it comes to intelligence. I know you are frothing at the mouth - enjoy the cult leader getting special treatment in jail.

Oh the irony of this comment. If you want to determine if someone is a low IQ human part of a cult, the rule of thumb is to look at their remarks as they will call anyone they don't agree with cult members and stupid.

So much inferiority complex these Nawaz Shareef minions have

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Oh the irony of this comment. If you want to determine if someone is a low IQ human part of a cult, the rule of thumb is to look at their remarks as they will call anyone they don't agree with cult members and stupid.

So much inferiority complex these Nawaz Shareef minions have

I have no issues criticising NS or any leader. As said, not everyone is like the Dimi minions. I am just showing you and your Dimmy minions the mirror.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

That makes it 27010 - congrats bro challenge for everyone - to find one sensible political post from a Dimi supporter or one post with insight with no emojis from BVB

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

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[the Great Khan]

Been gone a while. Decided to re log in to see what's happening. And lo and behold nothing changes. There are new morons to on here who have joined forces with the original ones. Like Pakistan nothing changes. Stupid people just continue to remain stupid. Like their current leadership. I guess you deserve your leaders after all.

 

[psyoptica]

Been gone a while. Decided to re log in to see what's happening. And lo and behold nothing changes. There are new morons to on here who have joined forces with the original ones. Like Pakistan nothing changes. Stupid people just continue to remain stupid. Like their current leadership. I guess you deserve your leaders after all.

These people are beneficiaries of the corrupt system and would never want the status quo to change. When you are knee deep in corruption and have no morals, the corrupt leadership makes sense to you.

 

[the Great Khan]

These people are beneficiaries of the corrupt system and would never want the status quo to change. When you are knee deep in corruption and have no morals, the corrupt leadership makes sense to you.

Very true..its so ingrained that I fear nothing will ever change

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Been gone a while. Decided to re log in to see what's happening. And lo and behold nothing changes. There are new morons to on here who have joined forces with the original ones. Like Pakistan nothing changes. Stupid people just continue to remain stupid. Like their current leadership. I guess you deserve your leaders after all.

A shame that fanboys with King and Great next to Khan in their names besmirch it with petty posts such as this. One thing that has remained constant with you lot is name calling and abuses. When everything else fails attack the poster personally....because that's all you have. Glad to see no one on this side stooped to that level. Once again we don't need advice from foreigners about who should lead Pak. If you're so interested and really care about the country move back and we can talk.

 

[psyoptica]

A shame that fanboys with King and Great next to Khan in their names besmirch it with petty posts such as this. One thing that has remained constant with you lot is name calling and abuses. When everything else fails attack the poster personally....because that's all you have. Glad to see no one on this side stooped to that level. Once again we don't need advice from foreigners about who should lead Pak. If you're so interested and really care about the country move back and we can talk.

If hypocricy had a face -- this is what it would look like.

The N supporters will complain about others being abusive when they can't write a sentence that doesn't have abusive language in it.
Call everyone terrorist when they are the ones responsible for the worst crimes in the history of Pakistan.
Call everyone who doesn't agree with them cult members when they themselves worship their leaders blindly.
Mock Overseas Pakistanis for voicing their opinions when they themselves are based out of Pakistan.

Literally not a single redeeming quality about these idiots Obnoxious bunch

 

[BouncerGuy]

Enough of this irrelevant and off topic, personal stuff.

Stay on topic or find some other thread for your posts

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If hypocricy had a face -- this is what it would look like.

The N supporters will complain about others being abusive when they can't write a sentence that doesn't have abusive language in it.
Call everyone terrorist when they are the ones responsible for the worst crimes in the history of Pakistan.
Call everyone who doesn't agree with them cult members when they themselves worship their leaders blindly.
Mock Overseas Pakistanis for voicing their opinions when they themselves are based out of Pakistan.

Literally not a single redeeming quality about these idiots Obnoxious bunch

They don't even have the guts to back their cult leaders openly. That's how disingenous they are.