Is Jasprit Bumrah a better bowler than Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir?

[Ab Fan]

All time Asia Test XI :-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Sangakkara(wkt)
Tendulkar
Kohli(c)
Miandad
Jadeja( Kapil in overseas conditions)
Imran(c)
Wasim
Bumrah
Murali

Backups - Dravid, Kapil, Waqar, Ashwin

6 ATG batsman, Sangakkara a pretty safe keeper and capable of keeping to Murali, averages 40 batting at 3 as keeper which is very good and that was also between 2000-05 which was early days of his career when players are usually in learning phase.

Imran and Jadeja are all rounders in this team, Jadeja being the fifth bowler in this team will take more responsibility with bat at 7. The four main bowlers all greats of the game and arguably top tiers - Wasim, Murali, Imran and Bumrah. In overseas conditions, Kapil can come in for Jadeja.

Kohli and Imran can switch captaincy as per their convenience. When the need of the hour is to save a test match/series, Imran can be the captain and when the idea is to win the match/series, Kohli can be the captain.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

If you exclude Wasim Waqar stats against NZ who were a very poor side in 1990, 1992 and 1994. What would their career stats look like?

Even eng was a poor side in the 90s

 

[Ab Fan]

Even eng was a poor side in the 90s

India were poor side away as well. So, runs scored/wickets taken against India at home shouldn't be valued. Only runs/wickets vs India in India should be valued.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

India were poor side away as well. So, runs scored/wickets taken against India at home shouldn't be valued. Only runs/wickets vs India in India should be valued.

Ya, agreed. India were great at home and terrible away

 

[anikrc1]

Some serious revision of history going on here. It's perfectly OK to say that bumrah is better than Asif and Amir. But he is still no where near Waqar. Waqar has more than twice his wicket. Also you can't just deduct new Zealand and england from Waqar's record. Teams were much more equal in strength then. So you can't just throw them away because they were not a top 4 side.

 

[Buffet]

If you exclude Wasim Waqar stats against NZ who were a very poor side in 1990, 1992 and 1994. What would their career stats look like?

Excluding NZ, Gillespie is underrated in this forum.

 

[Buffet]

Some serious revision of history going on here. It's perfectly OK to say that bumrah is better than Asif and Amir. But he is still no where near Waqar. Waqar has more than twice his wicket. Also you can't just deduct new Zealand and england from Waqar's record. Teams were much more equal in strength then. So you can't just throw them away because they were not a top 4 side.

No one is throwing those records. If we throw those records then Waqar will be not even talked in this forum.

We are all only making a point that Waqar was very ordinary against better sides and very good against others. That's what records shows and that's why many consider him borderline ATG or not an ATG. I consider him an ATG.

 

[Buffet]

Some serious revision of history going on here. It's perfectly OK to say that bumrah is better than Asif and Amir. But he is still no where near Waqar. Waqar has more than twice his wicket. Also you can't just deduct new Zealand and england from Waqar's record. Teams were much more equal in strength then. So you can't just throw them away because they were not a top 4 side.

Nah, Wasim played from mid 80s to 2004.

Eng had an over all W/L of 0.6 and NZ had an overall W/L of 0.5

How are they equal to Aus having 2.3, SA having 1.6 and Pakistan having 1? Aus, SA, Pak, WI and Ind had W/L of more than 2 at home all others were less than 1. That's a too huge a gap to call them equal.

No way teams were much more equal in strengths. That's revising history.

 

[Pakpak]

Amir had average of 29 before his ban - even after playing so many test matches in England & Australia !

Amir was very good in T20s & ODI but was bang average in test matches. Had a few good spells on green seaming conditions but nothing beyond that. Struggled badly on flat pitches !

Amir was also a kid before his bans. Wonder how Bumrah was at his age?

 

[Advaith]

I find this logic ridiculous. So many times we apply the same logic to modern day batsmen and say they are inferior to yesteryear batsmen because they faced inferior bowling ! And now we make the same argument about modern day bowlers ! So basically we are saying cricket is on a continuous decline !

Honestly it is foolish to directly compare across generations . Every generation has its own challenges . If you say batsmen these days have inferior techniques , I will say bats are so much bigger these days , wickets are so placid , etc etc .

If you watch cricket at Bradman time , you will laugh at it ..They usually increase the speed of video ..In reality sophistication and competition increased over the years..

 

[praveen]

Bumrah is a proven match winner and a great thinking bowler who manufactures wickets out of nowhere.

Amir Asif should be judged with other trundlers who showed promise but never had a career. Hypotheticals and potentials , not reality.

 

[kron]

If you have to see the top teams to beat in their home in 90s,

Aus, WI, SA, Ind and Pak were the top 5 teams by a clear margin in their home conditions in 90s.

Wasim did not have any 5-fers in wins in Aus, SA, WI or Ind. Actually it's very hard to take 5-fers in win against strong sides in their den. Even Ambrose and McGrath had just 3-4.

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Can't just judge based on 5fer though. Skillset wise wasim was better than everyone

 

[Buffet]

Can't just judge based on 5fer though. Skillset wise wasim was better than everyone

Nah, I won't judge based on any factor alone. It's just one data point to see how many times bowler ran through oppositions in their den. We can't rank them based on that and done with it. On other hands, ignoring it will be ignoring actual performance in opposition's den. So it's one of the factors.

Greatness is after all helping your team beat strong teams in their dens. Now it's easier to do it with stronger team and almost impossible to do if you are playing for Zim. Bumrah had advantage of playing with the best Asian test team in history. McGrath had even bigger advantage. So it's still a data point and not the start/end of judging anyone.

 

[greatest]

Easily the best test bowler of this generation. Nobody won test matches so consistently both home & away.

Daley Steyn was last great matchwinner on all conditions. Before him there was Malcolm Marshall

So if Bumrah takes 300 wickets he will belong to the league of Dale Steyn & Malcolm Marshall

It's sad that he doesn't has much competition. Nowadays, due to the proliferation of T20's and the priority given to this format, we don't see attacking and skillful fast bowlers as we had in the 90's and before.

Besides playing on occasional green tops fast bowlers of this generation hardly have the skills to seam and swing the ball. I think even a guy like Manoj Prabhakar would have taken a lot of wickets if played Tests in this era. He was good at swinging it late both ways and had also learned how to reverse the ball.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Wasim Akram is the name of era, cant be compared with anyone!

 

[Buffet]

It's sad that he doesn't has much competition. Nowadays, due to the proliferation of T20's and the priority given to this format, we don't see attacking and skillful fast bowlers as we had in the 90's and before.

Cummins is pretty good.

 

[greatest]

Cummins is pretty good.

He is definitely good but doesn't has all the tricks like swinging the ball late both ways and also seaming it. He is more like a bowler in the McGrath mold.

 

[Buffet]

He is definitely good but doesn't has all the tricks like swinging the ball late both ways and also seaming it. He is more like a bowler in the McGrath mold.

No era had as many ATG bowlers with different skills as 90s. We are never going to see that again with decline of test cricket.

 

[greatest]

Swing bowlers

No era had as many ATG bowlers with different skills as 90s. We are never going to see that again with decline of test cricket.

Yes, that's a tragedy. That's why I hate T20s...it has killed the skilful, attacking bowler.

 

[Buffet]

Swing bowlers

Yes, that's a tragedy. That's why I hate T20s...it has killed the skilful, attacking bowler.

Well, before Bumrah , Steyn was the one with most skills and he also did not have competition when he played. So skill wise, we would would be lucky to have even one after 10 years the way test cricket is developing.

 

[kron]

If you exclude Wasim Waqar stats against NZ who were a very poor side in 1990, 1992 and 1994. What would their career stats look like?

If bowlers have low averages in modern era, then batting must be pf inferior talent and pitched are extremely seam friendly

If batsmen have high averages in modern era, then bowling quality myst be inferior

Logic here.

Also 90s were very bowling friendly. If anything bowling may be of inferior quality tbh compared to current era.

 

[kron]

Nah, I won't judge based on any factor alone. It's just one data point to see how many times bowler ran through oppositions in their den. We can't rank them based on that and done with it. On other hands, ignoring it will be ignoring actual performance in opposition's den. So it's one of the factors.

Greatness is after all helping your team beat strong teams in their dens. Now it's easier to do it with stronger team and almost impossible to do if you are playing for Zim. Bumrah had advantage of playing with the best Asian test team in history. McGrath had even bigger advantage. So it's still a data point and not the start/end of judging anyone.

That's why hadless is underrated and should be regarded as one of the best ever in history.

 

[greatest]

Well, before Bumrah , Steyn was the one with most skills and he also did not have competition when he played. So skill wise, we would would be lucky to have even one after 10 years the way test cricket is developing.

I think Bumrah is the last of this breed and you have to give credit to the Indian coaching staff for taking care of him. They play him in very few T20s and ODIs and always keep him fresh for vital Test matches and ICC tournaments.

 

[Buffet]

That's why hadless is underrated and should be regarded as one of the best ever in history.

You mean Hadlee? He is rated as one of the best ever in history.

 

[greatest]

If bowlers have low averages in modern era, then batting must be pf inferior talent and pitched are extremely seam friendly

If batsmen have high averages in modern era, then bowling quality myst be inferior

Logic here.

Also 90s were very bowling friendly. If anything bowling may be of inferior quality tbh compared to current era.

Agree... but nowadays bowlers are just not skillful as yesteryears. If Bumrah is consistently taking wickets in both Test and the shorter formats it means today's batsmen are mostly playing a lot of ordinary bowlers.

 

[greatest]

If Bumrah can make these modern batsmen struggle and hop around then Wasim, Waqar, Hadlee, Marshall etc would have also done the same because they too were or even more skillful as Bumrah.

 

[Buffet]

I think Bumrah is the last of this breed and you have to give credit to the Indian coaching staff for taking care of him. They play him in very few T20s and ODIs and always keep him fresh for vital Test matches and ICC tournaments.

Hopefully Bumrah is not last of this breed. I enjoy watching test matches.

Aus also takes good care of pacers. I would say Anderson has been taken care pretty well by Eng as well. Not saying he had all skills, just pointing out that rich boards pay more so players can afford to not play all leagues all the time. It's harder if players are not paid that high. Earlier, playing for country was the only option to make money. Posters were saying that Starc did well to skip IPL but they forget that he get paid much higher than most players in world by CA.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is definitely good but doesn't has all the tricks like swinging the ball late both ways and also seaming it. He is more like a bowler in the McGrath mold.

Mcgrath has bagful of tricks. I don't think cummins has.

 

[greatest]

Mcgrath has bagful of tricks. I don't think cummins has.

McGrath evolved as a bowler. I'm sure Cummins would too. These Aussies they keep on learning.

 

[Savak]

There is no way Bhumrah would have failed to knock of Peter Siddle and Hussey in the Sydney Test of 2010. Asif looked very pedestrian when the pitch had eased out.

 

[shamaan]

All time Asia test in Asia.

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Sangakara
Tendulkar
Miadad
Younis Khan
Jadeja
Imran
Wasim
Bumrah
Murali


In sena conditions I will pick Akhtar instead of Jadeja.

 

[anikrc1]

All time Asian xi for outside Asia
Sunny
Saeed
Amarnath
Tendulkar
Sangakara
Pant
Imran
Wasim
Bumrah
Asif
Murali

 

[kron]

Mcgrath has bagful of tricks. I don't think cummins has.

Mcgrath and Cummins are not in the same stratosphere.

Mcg is levels above.

Cummins is better than waqar shoaib. But below wasim imran.

Steyn is one that gets overrated a lot. He is no where near mcgrath level. Steyn can be compared with waqar.

 

[kron]

All time Asia test in Asia.

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Sangakara
Tendulkar
Miadad
Younis Khan
Jadeja
Imran
Wasim
Bumrah
Murali


In sena conditions I will pick Akhtar instead of Jadeja.

Perfect but saqlain over jadeja.

 

[MP2011]

Excluding NZ, Gillespie is underrated in this forum.

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Have always maintained that Gillespie is very underrated here. He was one of the main reasons along with Damien Martyn for Australia to finally conquer final frontier in 2004.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Perfect but saqlain over jadeja.

Jadeja much better in tests

 

[Ab Fan]

Perfect but saqlain over jadeja.

Two off spinners in a XI?

 

[kron]

Two off spinners in a XI?

remove jadeja get sqlain. get kapil for batting depth and remove murali. chucker
i like deep batting. with options for pace.
one spinner is enough for sena.
if its at home. then i would have 2 spinners. go with jadeja and saqlain.

 

[followed]

Well at least he isn't a fixer or a ball tamperer.

Lol how can you be so sure about that. He bowled that famous noball in the champions trophy final.

 

[Mesozoic]

Lol how can you be so sure about that

We can't be "sure" about anything in this world. But just the bare fact that Bumrah didn't spend some quality time in London jail is good enough to go along with . Don't you think so?

 

[BouncerGuy]

This thread is about Bumrah's bowling vs Amir and Asif's. Why discuss irrelevant stuff here and derail the thread? please stay on topic else choose other threads to post in.

 

[chinaman00]

Mcgrath and Cummins are not in the same stratosphere.

Mcg is levels above.

Cummins is better than waqar shoaib. But below wasim imran.

Steyn is one that gets overrated a lot. He is no where near mcgrath level. Steyn can be compared with waqar.

Genuine question:

If you can rate Bumrah ahead of Waqar/Shoaib, what’s stopping you from rating Cummins ahead of Glenn McGrath?

 

[kron]

Genuine question:

If you can rate Bumrah ahead of Waqar/Shoaib, what’s stopping you from rating Cummins ahead of Glenn McGrath?

you dont think bumrah is better than waqar and shoaib? thats being delusional bro.
bumrah is not just better. light years ahead already.
waqar stats vs top 4 sides of his time is not good enough.

cummins is also better than waqar and shoaib. like a tier above.

we have to be realistic here.

imran wasim yes above everyone else from asia. then its jasprit. rest follow.

 

[chinaman00]

you dont think bumrah is better than waqar and shoaib? thats being delusional bro.
bumrah is not just better. light years ahead already.
waqar stats vs top 4 sides of his time is not good enough.

cummins is also better than waqar and shoaib. like a tier above.

we have to be realistic here.

imran wasim yes above everyone else from asia. then its jasprit. rest follow.

This is why cricket is going downhill due to the marketing hype created around questionable players like Bumrah. That and a general amnesia that seems to afflict modern cricket fans have combined to create a delusional and ahistorical view of cricketers.

 

[kron]

This is why cricket is going downhill due to the marketing hype created around questionable players like Bumrah. That and a general amnesia that seems to afflict modern cricket fans have combined to create a delusional and ahistorical view of cricketers.

Or maybe many are just nostalgic about past players and overrate them

 

[chinaman00]

Or maybe many are just nostalgic about past players and overrate them

Absolutely not true. I appreciate modern cricketers as much as previous generation but putting these new guys on a pedestal is wrong. Bumrah will remain a footnote when it’s all said and done.

 

[Buffet]

Absolutely not true. I appreciate modern cricketers as much as previous generation but putting these new guys on a pedestal is wrong. Bumrah will remain a footnote when it’s all said and done.

When a bowler has already bowled so more match winning spells in den of top teams when compared to entire career of some greats then calling that bowler a footnote?

So to match historical greats, current generation player needs to have twice or thrice of impact??

 

[kron]

Absolutely not true. I appreciate modern cricketers as much as previous generation but putting these new guys on a pedestal is wrong. Bumrah will remain a footnote when it’s all said and done.

I am not going to argue here man. There are multiple threads on how ineffective waqar vs top sides. Same with shoaib and I love shoaib. Bumrah is on another level compared to these 2.
Only wasim and imran are ahead from asia

 

[chinaman00]

When a bowler has already bowled so more match winning spells in den of top teams when compared to entire career of some greats then calling that bowler a footnote?

So to match historical greats, current generation player needs to have twice or thrice of impact??

No, not at all. The current generation just need to be good enough. Stats can be good misleading. LeBron averages more points per game, more steals, more rebounds etc than Kobe Bryant but how many people will choose LeBron over Kobe? There’s a daylight between Waqar/Shoaib vs Bumrah. He has a long way to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as the legends of the game. For starters, let him get a 10-wicket haul even once in tests.

 

[Buffet]

No, not at all. The current generation just need to be good enough. Stats can be good misleading. LeBron averages more points per game, more steals, more rebounds etc than Kobe Bryant but how many people will choose LeBron over Kobe? There’s a daylight between Waqar/Shoaib vs Bumrah. He has a long way to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as the legends of the game. For starters, let him get a 10-wicket haul even once in tests.

When you hold such views, no point in arguing. We just need to agree to disagree.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

No, not at all. The current generation just need to be good enough. Stats can be good misleading. LeBron averages more points per game, more steals, more rebounds etc than Kobe Bryant but how many people will choose LeBron over Kobe? There’s a daylight between Waqar/Shoaib vs Bumrah. He has a long way to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as the legends of the game. For starters, let him get a 10-wicket haul even once in tests.

First of all stop comparing different sports lol.

And Shoaib isn't a legend, he did have legendary performances in the 2003 wc match and then in 2004 in multan but not a legend.

Shoaib took 20 more wickets than bumrah and averaged 26, while bumrah averaged 20.

No comparison, waqar and Shoaib were poor against the best batting teams and feasted on minnows

 

[Hitman]

First of all stop comparing different sports lol.

And Shoaib isn't a legend, he did have legendary performances in the 2003 wc match and then in 2004 in multan but not a legend.

Shoaib took 20 more wickets than bumrah and averaged 26, while bumrah averaged 20.

No comparison, waqar and Shoaib were poor against the best batting teams and feasted on minnows

The very fact that he averages 35 odd against both India and Australia (2 best batting line ups of his time) makes him a bonafide legend.

 

[chinaman00]

When you hold such views, no point in arguing. We just need to agree to disagree.

Yes, my friend. To each his own!

 

[chinaman00]

First of all stop comparing different sports lol.

And Shoaib isn't a legend, he did have legendary performances in the 2003 wc match and then in 2004 in multan but not a legend.

Shoaib took 20 more wickets than bumrah and averaged 26, while bumrah averaged 20.

No comparison, waqar and Shoaib were poor against the best batting teams and feasted on minnows

I don’t think we will ever reach a conclusion on this topic. You have a wrong view of cricket and I respect those views even though you’re clearly wrong.

Let’s revisit this topic, inshallah, once the dust settles and this Bumrah character has retired and we can take a long view of everyone’s career. Unfair to compare a player’s short selective highlights with guys’ whose career spans decades.

 

[kron]

The very fact that he averages 35 odd against both India and Australia (2 best batting line ups of his time) makes him a bonafide legend.

Depends. I mean no question bumrah is better than waqar and shoaib. He is only below wasim and imran right now. He may potentially take over if he lasts 4 to 5 more years and maintains his average ro be under 23

But pitches that shoaib played against India were ultra flat. Same in Australia. Still, a great bowler should be able to get wickets even on flat pitches. So that definitely works against shoaib bhai. That's why wasim was great. Even on dead pitches he found movement and reverse.

 

[Buffet]

Depends. I mean no question bumrah is better than waqar and shoaib. He is only below wasim and imran right now. He may potentially take over if he lasts 4 to 5 more years and maintains his average ro be under 23

But pitches that shoaib played against India were ultra flat. Same in Australia. Still, a great bowler should be able to get wickets even on flat pitches. So that definitely works against shoaib bhai. That's why wasim was great. Even on dead pitches he found movement and reverse.

Actually on super dead pitches, it's very hard. Case in point, 89 series where Pakistan played at home against India for 4 tests. It was a weak Indian team and strong Pakistani team in their peak. Yet, score line was 0-0. So super dead pitches are not good for anyone. I think in one match, both teams scored 500-700 runs.

Yes, few times, ATG bowlers can do well even on super dead pitches, but it's hard to bowl out a decent batting line up cheaply on such pitches.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

I don’t think we will ever reach a conclusion on this topic. You have a wrong view of cricket and I respect those views even though you’re clearly wrong.

Let’s revisit this topic, inshallah, once the dust settles and this Bumrah character has retired and we can take a long view of everyone’s career. Unfair to compare a player’s short selective highlights with guys’ whose career spans decades.

Akhtar took 178 test wickets, bumrah has taken a 150.
The comparison is over I am afraid.

You obviously have a right to your views and never said anything contrary to it and akhtar was one of my fav pak players.

He was extremely talented but massively underachieved.
Players are judged on end output

 

[kron]

Akhtar took 178 test wickets, bumrah has taken a 150.
The comparison is over I am afraid.

You obviously have a right to your views and never said anything contrary to it and akhtar was one of my fav pak players.

He was extremely talented but massively underachieved.
Players are judged on end output

There is no comaprisin. Bumrah had left him behind about a year back itself.

He is also better than waqar.

He is getting dangerously close to imran and wasim

 

[Dr_Bassim]

There is no comaprisin. Bumrah had left him behind about a year back itself.

He is also better than waqar.

He is getting dangerously close to imran and wasim

Imran maybe.

No one could best Wasim, the greatest left arm in history of cricket.

 

[kron]

Imran maybe.

No one could best Wasim, the greatest left arm in history of cricket.

Imran is underrated.
Look at his numbers. He also can bat.

His stats vs top sides in his time were really good.

Shoaib waqar are nor a patch on imran. Jot even close.

Bumrah not yet. Another 4 5 years at the top then yea

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Imran is underrated.
Look at his numbers. He also can bat.

His stats vs top sides in his time were really good.

Shoaib waqar are nor a patch on imran. Jot even close.

Bumrah not yet. Another 4 5 years at the top then yea

I have never understood the fascination with Shoaib.
Yeah he had his moments, but so does everyone else.

Waqar is mostly based on romanticism of reverse swing.

Both of them are good, but Bumrah is probably getting better than them.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bumrah is a hardworking guy. He has got pace, swing and absolute brilliant consistency with line and length, which makes him lethal. Asif was beast in his days, unfortunate for Pakistan that he chose the wrong path along with amir.

 

[captain.hansolo]

I would say 30 plus away wickets against top 4-5 sides gives a pretty good idea. I don't think many ATG bowlers will pass the filter of 40-50 away wickets against top 4 countries during their playing days.

Now Bumrah has already gotten 30 plus wickets in Aus, Eng and SA. Only NZ is one place he needs to bowl more. At home, he just needs to play 20-25 tests to make the sample size large enough because his home average is ridiculously low at 13 so far but only 6 tests.

Yeah I wrote that and realized 50 wickets may require 10-12 tests. Assuming one away series is 4 tests, that’s as many as three tours which require ten years. Assuming injuries do not coincide with a tour. 30 wickets is more reasonable.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Both r excellent bowlers but i think Bumrah is the kind of bowler who might need some assistance from the wicket to show his skils but Asif was something different, he could make the ball talk even on the dead pitches.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I will rate Bumrah higher than Amir but not better than Asif.

 

[SportsWarrior]

All time Asia Test XI :-

Gavaskar
Sehwag
Sangakkara(wkt)
Tendulkar
Kohli(c)
Miandad
Jadeja( Kapil in overseas conditions)
Imran(c)
Wasim
Bumrah
Murali

Backups - Dravid, Kapil, Waqar, Ashwin

6 ATG batsman, Sangakkara a pretty safe keeper and capable of keeping to Murali, averages 40 batting at 3 as keeper which is very good and that was also between 2000-05 which was early days of his career when players are usually in learning phase.

Imran and Jadeja are all rounders in this team, Jadeja being the fifth bowler in this team will take more responsibility with bat at 7. The four main bowlers all greats of the game and arguably top tiers - Wasim, Murali, Imran and Bumrah. In overseas conditions, Kapil can come in for Jadeja.

Kohli and Imran can switch captaincy as per their convenience. When the need of the hour is to save a test match/series, Imran can be the captain and when the idea is to win the match/series, Kohli can be the captain.

Replace Murali with Ashwin and you won't lose anything in bowling but will gain a lot in batting. Murali was average against India and Australia whereas Ashwin has good against most countries. In away tests they both have couple of places where they are average

 

[jnaveen1980]

Both r excellent bowlers but i think Bumrah is the kind of bowler who might need some assistance from the wicket to show his skils but Asif was something different, he could make the ball talk even on the dead pitches.

Asif averages 42 in Pakistan To put it in contest Balaji averages 30 in pakistan. Irfan 41

 

[giri26]

I will rate Bumrah higher than Amir but not better than Asif.

I don't understand the hype with Asif. He just played 23 Tests. He might have been good in those 23 Tests but again he did not play enough to deserve such hype. Greatness is defined by someone who plays longer and achieves consistent results over a period of time which Asif did not accomplish. Also there is a reason why Shane Bond or Ryan Harris don't get discussed even within their countries as being among the best as they did not play much despite having great average and SR.

 

[cricketcricket79]

Pakistani fast bowlers are better than Indian fast bowlers by default. Facts and numbers don't matter.

I am new on this forum but this is generally the sentiment of many of the posts on such comparisons.

 

[Hitman]

I am new on this forum but this is generally the sentiment of many of the posts on such comparisons.

Why else would they even dare to compare Amir with Bumrah?

 

[cricketcricket79]

I don't understand the hype with Asif. He just played 23 Tests. He might have been good in those 23 Tests but again he did not play enough to deserve such hype. Greatness is defined by someone who plays longer and achieves consistent results over a period of time which Asif did not accomplish. Also there is a reason why Shane Bond or Ryan Harris don't get discussed even within their countries as being among the best as they did not play much despite having great average and SR.

Not saying Asif was not skillful or such, but the legend of Asif and his skills grows every passing year. Same way the ancient cricketers who played 100 years ago become better and better every passing year.

 

[160KPH]

Asif averages 42 in Pakistan To put it in contest Balaji averages 30 in pakistan. Irfan 41

The sample size is so small though. He only played two 2 match series at home - one against India which he averaged 28 and one against South Africa where he averaged 90.

 

[Hitman]

The sample size is so small though. He only played two 2 match series at home - one against India which he averaged 28 and one against South Africa where he averaged 90.

The only place where he played more Test matches is in England (7 Tests). He played just 23 Tests, so it's obvious the sample size will be small in most places.

 

[giri26]

The sample size is so small though. He only played two 2 match series at home - one against India which he averaged 28 and one against South Africa where he averaged 90.

His overall career is a low sample size. When that can be called as legendary, why can't we term these two series as failures?

 

[jnaveen1980]

The sample size is so small though. He only played two 2 match series at home - one against India which he averaged 28 and one against South Africa where he averaged 90.

In Pakistan Asif has played 4 tests. He didn't take any fifer as well. ONe test he clicked was the pitch where IRfan Pathan took a hatrick. I was responding to the post which said he is some kind of a bowler who can take pitch out of the equation. No he can't. He does well when there is a bit of seam movement of the pitch.

 

[Unleashed]

Nobody in his right state of mind would pick Mohammad Asif over Bumrah. It's not a competition.

 

[CricketCartoons]

His overall career is a low sample size. When that can be called as legendary, why can't we term these two series as failures?

The sample size is too low to find any flaws, but is large enough to call him a great.

 

[AMSS]

The sample size is too low to find any flaws, but is large enough to call him a great.

Flawless. In the elite company of Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Praveen Kumar, both of whom with similar test record as Mo Asif.

 

[Devadwal]

Bumrah is on par with wasim and he is way better than rest of Pakistan Pacers.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Bumrah has surpassed Asif/Amir. He has more wickets than them at a better average. He has made much bigger impact in overseas and has also been great in Asian conditions. So there's no debate here now.

He is just 21 wickets behind Akhtar but has a better average & bigger impact in overseas. He will surpass his wicket tally too soon.