Is Jasprit Bumrah a better bowler than Mohammad Asif and Mohammad Amir?

[160KPH]

In Pakistan Asif has played 4 tests. He didn't take any fifer as well. ONe test he clicked was the pitch where IRfan Pathan took a hatrick. I was responding to the post which said he is some kind of a bowler who can take pitch out of the equation. No he can't. He does well when there is a bit of seam movement of the pitch.

I do not think it makes sense to point towards his record in Pakistan as proof that he relied on good pitches to get wickets. Had he played more, he surely would have improved upon this record. Considering he only played 4 total Tests at home, even one decent series at home would have dramatically brought down his averages.

The only place where he played more Test matches is in England (7 Tests). He played just 23 Tests, so it's obvious the sample size will be small in most places.

When you are already dealing with a small sample size, it makes even less sense to dive into subsets of that sample size. They will be too small to actually be meaningful.

The sample size is too low to find any flaws, but is large enough to call him a great.

He is not a great, merely an interesting "what if" story.

The legend of Asif developed because some legendary batsmen like AB de Villiers, Hashim Amla, and Kevin Pietersen declared him the best bowler they had ever faced. The fact that these amazing batsmen who faced legendary bowlers themselves declared Asif the best means something. Even Imran Khan stated that he had never seen a new ball bowler as good as Asif and surely you would not deny that Imran Khan has a good eye for fast bowling talent.

 

[160KPH]

His overall career is a low sample size. When that can be called as legendary, why can't we term these two series as failures?

He's not legendary and no one would should declare him legendary. Just an incredible talent who will forever be a "what if." Also he did decent in the first Test series, it is only the second Test series against South Africa, which was just a two match series, that he did not perform that well.

 

[FearlessRoar]

I prefer Jasprit Bumrah over Mohammad Amir, not just for his skills but also because he comes across as more professional and honest in the way he plays for his country.

 

[CricketCartoons]

He is not a great, merely an interesting "what if" story.

The legend of Asif developed because some legendary batsmen like AB de Villiers, Hashim Amla, and Kevin Pietersen declared him the best bowler they had ever faced. The fact that these amazing batsmen who faced legendary bowlers themselves declared Asif the best means something. Even Imran Khan stated that he had never seen a new ball bowler as good as Asif and surely you would not deny that Imran Khan has a good eye for fast bowling talent.

These people are prone to exaggeration and playing to the gallery. This same ABD was saying that Warne, Bumrah and Rashid Khan are the toughest he has ever faced. Just see whom are they giving the interview to.

But you are allowed to be giddy with delight if someone praises your favourite cricketer.

 

[160KPH]

These people are prone to exaggeration and playing to the gallery. This same ABD was saying that Warne, Bumrah and Rashid Khan are the toughest he has ever faced. Just see whom are they giving the interview to.

But you are allowed to be giddy with delight if someone praises your favourite cricketer.

ABD said this in multiple interviews spanning many years including to Virat Kohli when they recorded a video together. If you have the friend of him saying the same about Warne/Bumrah/Rashid I’d like to see them.

I don’t like Asif, I do not care for any player who match fixes. He’s far from my favorite cricketer, just an interesting what if story and someone who had a lot of talent that they threw away.

 

[Hitman]

Change in opinions? Hold on, Bumrah hasn't yet been tested as per the opinion of Pakistani fans, right?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Amir is better with the new ball in white ball cricket.

Asif I don’t rate much because he used performance enhancing steroids to bowl 125 kph.

 

[big_gamer007]

Change in opinions? Hold on, Bumrah hasn't yet been tested as per the opinion of Pakistani fans, right?

The state of their team is a result of their fans quality and understanding of cricket, and from the current state one wouldn’t take anything a Pakistani fan says about cricket seriously. Their opinions are merely for chuckles to the rest of the more informed world.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lol, Bumrah is better than both of them combined multiplied by two.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Is this the chuckers thread?

 

[Hitman]

Is this the chuckers thread?

Certainly match fixing scums are allowed since both Asif and Amir are mentioned.

 

[Theanonymousone]

Is this the chuckers thread?

No, its for the bowlers who utilized bottle caps properly.

Bumrah’s hyperextension is clearly in line with ICC regulations. Instead of being salty, why dont you get back with the comparison?

Bumrah is far ahead in stats or even achievements compared to Asif and Amir and even Waqar (if you excl overall wicket tally)

People complaining about Bumrah choking in ICC tournaments should remember, he is one of the best in ICCW23. Its not his fault if batters couldnt deliver in the final. But he did.

And he singlehandedly won us the WT20 2024. Now, people cant even complain about that.

 

[just a fan]

Now some don't mind calling their own bowlers as chuckers to allege Bumrah as one

Bumrah's performances sure gets some nuts go lose

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah is a better bowler + he's a gun captain.

I did not expect Bumrah to be this good. He's easily better then Rohit as a captain.

Rohit commands more respect but anyone can tell Bumrah is a better captain. It's not just his bowling but his captaincy too.

I have alot of respect for Bumrah since this guy is the real deal. And it's weird since alot of Indian posters don't seem to appreciate him and are waiting fir his career to end.

In my opinion this guy is top 10 bowlers of all time. And in terms of all format (odi, test, t20) he may as well be no 1. He's still a few pegs below mcgrath for me though.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

No, its for the bowlers who utilized bottle caps properly.

Bumrah’s hyperextension is clearly in line with ICC regulations. Instead of being salty, why dont you get back with the comparison?

Bumrah is far ahead in stats or even achievements compared to Asif and Amir and even Waqar (if you excl overall wicket tally)

People complaining about Bumrah choking in ICC tournaments should remember, he is one of the best in ICCW23. Its not his fault if batters couldnt deliver in the final. But he did.

And he singlehandedly won us the WT20 2024. Now, people cant even complain about that.

Ok. That's another one in the armory for the chucker. Bottle tops as well as chucking

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Certainly match fixing scums are allowed since both Asif and Amir are mentioned.

Prabhakar should also be added then

 

[Hitman]

Prabhakar should also be added then

Except that Indians don't idolise or even revere match fixers from India. We spit upon them. I've always believed match fixers should be paraded around their country on a donkey with a garland of shoes around their neck. Imagine how good Wasim Akram would look that way.​

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Pakistani POV:

 

[Hitman]

Pakistani POV:

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And except Saeed Ajmal and Pakistani spinners, all other spinners from any other country were all chuckers. A bowler is a chucker or not can only be decided by Pakistani fans.​

 

[RahulBose]

Is this the chuckers thread?

Look up hypertension and then get back with proof that there is chucking.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Except that Indians don't idolise or even revere match fixers from India. We spit upon them. I've always believed match fixers should be paraded around their country on a donkey with a garland of shoes around their neck. Imagine how good Wasim Akram would look that way.​

Instead we have indians parading the likes of Wasim around for gest part of a decade in India, and is even lauded by the Indians in social media

 

[aboveandbeyond]

He should be scrutinised and judged like Murali, the insect will turn a blind eye though

Agree. Its a case of one rule for one, one for the other.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Back to the thread, Asif destroyed much better bats than the current cow lashers, or has beens Murli bumrah is getting out

 

[chinaman00]

He’s not a better bowler (don’t believe the Indian hype) but he’s a much more impactful player. Even Shoaib Akhtat, Wasim akram and Waqar Younis struggled to win in Australia, something Bumrah has achieved

 

[Varun]

Amir and Asif are from the typical crop of Pakistani bowlers who never manage to play 50 tests or take 200 wickets.

Not that their priority was too much on the field anyhow.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Of course he’s better than Asif or Amir. No question.

 

[big_gamer007]

Bumrah is a better bowler + he's a gun captain.

I did not expect Bumrah to be this good. He's easily better then Rohit as a captain.

Rohit commands more respect but anyone can tell Bumrah is a better captain. It's not just his bowling but his captaincy too.

I have alot of respect for Bumrah since this guy is the real deal. And it's weird since alot of Indian posters don't seem to appreciate him and are waiting fir his career to end.

In my opinion this guy is top 10 bowlers of all time. And in terms of all format (odi, test, t20) he may as well be no 1. He's still a few pegs below mcgrath for me though.

In asia cup 2014 press conference Rohit was asked what does he think about Amir, he said why talk about Amir when we have Bumrah, you should talk about Bumrah.

Rohit was ridiculed and made fun of on PP by the then active posters, fast forward 10 years and he was proven right.

Goes to show how good an eye Rohit has for spotting talent, it’s unfortunate he isn’t as hard working as Kohli otherwise we would have had a gun captain for 10+ years.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

I want to ask to my indian posters how does nz team play bumrah so well he averages around 40 against them clearly they have craked a code of bumrah which other team have failed to do so plz discuss really appreciate the cricketing views of indian on this.

 

[Rajdeep]

Trolls who are accusing Bumrah of chucking based on still image, this is the delivery of Hasan Mahmud in West Indies. Is he chucking too? LOL

 

[kron]

Ofcourse not. Bumrah is behind wasim imran waqar shoaib and asif

Not even close. He is a t20 bowler.
in tests which is the real format he is no where near them 5.

When I say behind I meant in terms of popularity in Pakistan.

You mean quality wise? I am not sure. All 3 are equally good in their own way. Can't compare. Different era's.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I want to ask to my indian posters how does nz team play bumrah so well he averages around 40 against them clearly they have craked a code of bumrah which other team have failed to do so plz discuss really appreciate the cricketing views of indian on this.

First time he was coming back after injury. He wasn't at his best. In INdia not sure. He beat them consistently. They were beaten without edging. They were willing to play well within themselves against Bumrah. India hardly plays them. Also in India spinners did the bulk of the job. So not many paid attention to his performance against NZ. He has to come up with different plans next time.

 

[Buffet]

Bumrah is a better bowler + he's a gun captain.

I did not expect Bumrah to be this good. He's easily better then Rohit as a captain.

Rohit commands more respect but anyone can tell Bumrah is a better captain. It's not just his bowling but his captaincy too.

I have alot of respect for Bumrah since this guy is the real deal. And it's weird since alot of Indian posters don't seem to appreciate him and are waiting fir his career to end.

In my opinion this guy is top 10 bowlers of all time. And in terms of all format (odi, test, t20) he may as well be no 1. He's still a few pegs below mcgrath for me though.

In test, the same impact when playing away as Marshall, McGrath, Syteyn, Hadlee etc. In ODI, comfortably the top 5 in history. In T20, best in history so far.

250 test wickets with around 600 international wickets with a huge impact should be his goal. His goal shouldn't be volume. No point in getting 100 wickets agaisnt BD/Zim/SL etc to increase wicket tally but huge if he can bowl 3-4 more match winning spells in SA, Aus, Eng and NZ.

Glad to see so many skillful pacers in my life time - McGrath/Wasim/Donald/Steyn/Ambrose/Waqar/Pollock/Walsh and so on...

From this generation, Bumrah and Cummins should join the list. Yes, Cummins looked off color in this test, but we should see entire career achievement and impact. Hoping to see him get into his grooves and help his team in this series. In pink test, Starc/Hazlewood may be more suitable though.

 

[shaz619]

Trolls who are accusing Bumrah of chucking based on still image, this is the delivery of Hasan Mahmud in West Indies. Is he chucking too? LOL

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You’ve literally proved Bumrah is chucking there with that comparison, I hope he doesn’t hire you as his lawyer lol

 

[shaz619]

In test, the same impact when playing away as Marshall, McGrath, Syteyn, Hadlee etc. In ODI, comfortably the top 5 in history. In T20, best in history so far.

250 test wickets with around 600 international wickets with a huge impact should be his goal. His goal shouldn't be volume. No point in getting 100 wickets agaisnt BD/Zim/SL etc to increase wicket tally but huge if he can bowl 3-4 more match winning spells in SA, Aus, Eng and NZ.

Glad to see so many skillful pacers in my life time - McGrath/Wasim/Donald/Steyn/Ambrose/Waqar/Pollock/Walsh and so on...

From this generation, Bumrah and Cummins should join the list. Yes, Cummins looked off color in this test, but we should see entire career achievement and impact. Hoping to see him get into his grooves and help his team in this series. In pink test, Starc/Hazlewood may be more suitable though.

From this generation, Bumrah has to chuck to be competitive against batsman with horrible techniques. No point stressing yourself with the stats, get your so called GOAT tested.

 

[Kianig89]

Bumrah definitely is better bowler than Amir Asif
Bit early but his comparison should be with McGrath Wasim Steyn etc

 

[Hellion]

From this generation, Bumrah has to chuck to be competitive against batsman with horrible techniques. No point stressing yourself with the stats, get your so called GOAT tested.

Bitter, resentful and jealous. No one's fault that you can't produce half as good as Bumrah despite all your chucking and tampering.

 

[Rajdeep]

You’ve literally proved Bumrah is chucking there with that comparison, I hope he doesn’t hire you as his lawyer lol

Education seems to be a crime in Pakistan. Surprising though, since you live in UK

 

[shaz619]

Bitter, resentful and jealous. No one's fault that you can't produce half as good as Bumrah despite all your chucking and tampering.

You wouldn’t be bending over for Bumrah if he came from a different country, your kind are born resentful. I just want to see a clean & fair sport, yeah sure everyone else has produced rubbish bowlers if that makes you happy, but it wont change the fact that Bumrah’s action is suspect; what’s the harm in getting a test done at loughborough son

 

[aboveandbeyond]

In test, the same impact when playing away as Marshall, McGrath, Syteyn, Hadlee etc. In ODI, comfortably the top 5 in history. In T20, best in history so far.

250 test wickets with around 600 international wickets with a huge impact should be his goal. His goal shouldn't be volume. No point in getting 100 wickets agaisnt BD/Zim/SL etc to increase wicket tally but huge if he can bowl 3-4 more match winning spells in SA, Aus, Eng and NZ.

Glad to see so many skillful pacers in my life time - McGrath/Wasim/Donald/Steyn/Ambrose/Waqar/Pollock/Walsh and so on...

From this generation, Bumrah and Cummins should join the list. Yes, Cummins looked off color in this test, but we should see entire career achievement and impact. Hoping to see him get into his grooves and help his team in this series. In pink test, Starc/Hazlewood may be more suitable though.

This era, Anderson proved how weak it is. From age of 35 onwards, he was getting better because the standard of Test cricket was declining fast.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Bitter, resentful and jealous. No one's fault that you can't produce half as good as Bumrah despite all your chucking and tampering.

So questioning the legitimacy of the chuckers action, and the corridor creeps come out from everywhere throwing a fit.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Whole comparison is illegal comparison lol

Asif averages 35 in Australia, 28 in England, 42 at home

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys no more personal remarks please

 

[Rajdeep]

This era, Anderson proved how weak it is. From age of 35 onwards, he was getting better because the standard of Test cricket was declining fast.

Your weak era of test cricket argument is subjective. For example, when India folded out for 150, you were rejoicing about how poor Indian team is. Then when Australia was reeling at 67/7, you mentioned declining in standard of test match batting due to T20 cricket. Then when India scored a mammoth score in 2nd innings, you blamed the pitch went flat. Then when Aust was 12/3 end of 3rd day, you once again blamed T20 cricket for lowering test batting standards.

Be honest, do you think anyone will take such amateurish arguments seriously. It is a case of pure jealousy and hatred which you are unable to mask with these silly logics.

If anything, quality of test cricket has improved in modern era. Previously, most test matches used to be boring draws. Series after series used to be draws. Now with the advent of white ball cricket, players started taking more risk and we see results in almost every game. This is not declining standards but modernization of the sport.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is no comparison.

Bumrah is an all time great.

He has played major role in winning his team two test series in Australia and drawing test series in England and South Africa.He just won a test match in his third series in Australia in Perth with a dominant performance.

He has won his team a World T20 with a single handed performance with bowl and was adjudged the player of series award.

Question now is where does he rank among the all time greats of his era? Top 10 or top 15?

 

[Buffet]

This era, Anderson proved how weak it is.

Yes, such a weak era that Anderson played the most number of tests but has least tnumber of 5-fers with SR of 65-66 against decent teams in his peak period.

 

[Rajdeep]

Yes, such a weak era that Anderson played the most number of tests but has least tnumber of 5-fers with SR of 65-66 against decent teams in his peak period.

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Uffff...absolute cinema

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Yes, such a weak era that Anderson played the most number of tests but has least tnumber of 5-fers with SR of 65-66 against decent teams in his peak period.

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I'm talking about Jimmy between 35 -41 lol

 

[Ab Fan]

Yes, such a weak era that Anderson played the most number of tests but has least tnumber of 5-fers with SR of 65-66 against decent teams in his peak period.

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Anderson is just a home track bully who gets overrated in this forum because most Pakistanis on this forum lives in England.

In the second half of his career, he certainly improved away from home but as you can see with your data, he was still not a force but just had a fairly acceptable away record.

Ashwin gets too much flak over here but fact of the matter is they both belong to the same tier- superb in home conditions and workable away from home. Ashwin, in addition, can contribute with bat also. They both improve away from home in second half.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Your weak era of test cricket argument is subjective. For example, when India folded out for 150, you were rejoicing about how poor Indian team is. Then when Australia was reeling at 67/7, you mentioned declining in standard of test match batting due to T20 cricket. Then when India scored a mammoth score in 2nd innings, you blamed the pitch went flat. Then when Aust was 12/3 end of 3rd day, you once again blamed T20 cricket for lowering test batting standards.

Be honest, do you think anyone will take such amateurish arguments seriously. It is a case of pure jealousy and hatred which you are unable to mask with these silly logics.

If anything, quality of test cricket has improved in modern era. Previously, most test matches used to be boring draws. Series after series used to be draws. Now with the advent of white ball cricket, players started taking more risk and we see results in almost every game. This is not declining standards but modernization of the sport.

Nope. I've been banging the poor era of test cricket for a while.

 

[Savak]

It is felt you need to swing or seam the ball prodigously to succeed in Cricket. But that is a misconception. Bhumra, Siraj are not massive swingers, movers of the ball but there is a special delivery that they have mastered ie bowling wide of the crease and getting the ball to just straighten a fraction on off stump. Have seen them get batters to edge to the slips, keeper numerous times.

In comparison Naseem Shah will get prodigous out swing with the new ball and the batsmen will either leave it or get beaten and Naseem will be clueless as to why is he not getting the edges. Massive difference in bowling IQ

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Anderson is just a home track bully who gets overrated in this forum because most Pakistanis on this forum lives in England.

In the second half of his career, he certainly improved away from home but as you can see with your data, he was still not a force but just had a fairly acceptable away record.

Ashwin gets too much flak over here but fact of the matter is they both belong to the same tier- superb in home conditions and workable away from home. Ashwin, in addition, can contribute with bat also.

But he did improve. Because quality of test cricket was in decline

 

[jnaveen1980]

It is felt you need to swing or seam the ball prodigously to succeed in Cricket. But that is a misconception. Bhumra, Siraj are not massive swingers, movers of the ball but there is a special delivery that they have mastered ie bowling wide of the crease and getting the ball to just straighten a fraction on off stump. Have seen them get batters to edge to the slips, keeper numerous times.

In comparison Naseem Shah will get prodigous out swing with the new ball and the batsmen will either leave it or get beaten and Naseem will be clueless as to why is he not getting the edges. Massive difference in bowling IQ

Bhuvaneswar, Ishant, RP singh, IRfan pathan, Zaheer khan are swing bowlers. Not Bumrah (who is a mixture of everything), Shami (seam bowler. moves off the seam), Siraj also operates as seam bowler, Rana hit the deck

 

[Rajdeep]

Nope. I've been banging the poor era of test cricket for a while.

That is your opinion but this notion of decline in test cricket standards is not true. The actual rule of test cricket set by MCC remained the same but it has simply modernized due to advent of white ball cricket. As a result, players take more risk and gamble these days and hence you will not see boring draws like in the past. For example, Ind vs BD Kanpur test where it rained for 3 straight days. India took the initiative, played aggressive cricket and forced a result in 1.5 days. It created a brilliant spectacle for audience and viewers. Previously, captains would perhaps have shaken hands and settled for draw. That is not decline in standards but simple modernization of the game.

The only format that has declined is ODI cricket. Unlike test cricket, they have changed most of the rules in ODIs like having 2 new balls, powerplay, free hits etc which made this format more and more batting friendly. That is why this format is dying and teams hardly play ODI cricket these days.

 

[Buffet]

I'm talking about Jimmy between 35 -41 lol

That was the last 10 years stats and it includes improved Anderson in his peak 6-7 years.

 

[Red-Indian]

It is felt you need to swing or seam the ball prodigously to succeed in Cricket. But that is a misconception. Bhumra, Siraj are not massive swingers, movers of the ball but there is a special delivery that they have mastered ie bowling wide of the crease and getting the ball to just straighten a fraction on off stump. Have seen them get batters to edge to the slips, keeper numerous times.

In comparison Naseem Shah will get prodigous out swing with the new ball and the batsmen will either leave it or get beaten and Naseem will be clueless as to why is he not getting the edges. Massive difference in bowling IQ

I would say more than anything, Indian bowlers have learnt to ruthlessly target the stumps. It started before Bumrah became a mainstay when the likes of Ishant, Umesh and Shami started bowling tighter and tighter lines but Bumrah's taken it to another level. Indian bowlers like Bumrah, Siraj and co. today often sacrifice movement for accuracy. Makes it very difficult for batters to leave.

I'm finding it difficult to frame a query to determine proportion of bowled/LBWs for Indian quicks as compared to other countries but if someone can do it, I think it would be instructive.

 

[Shafikapeo]

You’ve literally proved Bumrah is chucking there with that comparison, I hope he doesn’t hire you as his lawyer lol

I don't think this thread is about Bumrah's bowling action. As for Bumrah's action, until it is proven illegal, it will remain legal. Now, even we thought—and still think—that Shoaib Akhtar used his hyperextension action as an excuse to wear full sleeves while bowling; otherwise, he wouldn't have come close to Brett Lee's or Shane Bond's speed.

It might be bold to say, but factually speaking, Bumrah's average and bowling strike rate are already better than Wasim and Waqar. As for those two fixers, Amir and Asif, they aren't even in the same league. I know Pakistan has produced some great fast bowlers, but Bumrah is currently better than all of them, especially in a time when most cricket rules favor batsmen.

 

[Hellion]

You wouldn’t be bending over for Bumrah if he came from a different country, your kind are born resentful. I just want to see a clean & fair sport, yeah sure everyone else has produced rubbish bowlers if that makes you happy, but it wont change the fact that Bumrah’s action is suspect; what’s the harm in getting a test done at loughborough son

It's suspect only for biased, low IQ clowns who think Akhtar's was OK but Bumrah's is not.

 

[Buffet]

But he did improve. Because quality of test cricket was in decline

No, he improved because he was learning continuously and focused on playing just test matches. Fantastic bowler to watch in swinging conditions. Yet, never a top tier pacer who could run through batting sides in different conditions. He did learn how to reverse but learning by Jimmy does not equate to weaker test era.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Jimmy ANderson is an anaomoly. Ask any other 42 year old to bowl. They will be thrashed. Even Jimmy was cartered all over by Jaiswal in the recent series. He kept himself fit. He is a single format player. Used his experience. He was still clocking 135 kph faster than many regulars. Ofcourse he was done 2 or 3 years back. He exended his career needlessly. You cannot use that to judge eras. In 2000 eras Samaraweera was averaing 50. Also some times many teams go through transition at the same time. So there will be an overall dip in performance. Mid 2000 was one of the rare era where almost all teams were fully matured not in transition stage. Windies probably was one exception.

 

[Hellion]

So questioning the legitimacy of the chuckers action, and the corridor creeps come out from everywhere throwing a fit.

What credibility do you have to question anyone's action when fast bowling experts like Ian Pont have all agreed that it's hyperextension ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

He is comfortably better than both in every metric.

Asif was much more eye catching, such a beautiful elegantly lazy bowling action. He is the most beautiful and stylish bowler I've seen when on song.

However apart from the ugly action and run up Bumrah ticks every other box.

 

[Hellion]

Whole comparison is illegal comparison lol

Asif averages 35 in Australia, 28 in England, 42 at home

A bowler of limited talent who could not get the better despite abusing 'roids.

 

[Devadwal]

Compared to Bumrah with both the fixers is big insult to one the greatest ever bowler.

No worthy for a comparison. Bumrah is way ahead of them .

 

[DeadlyVenom]

By the way I am always up for banter and trash talk with Indians but the Bumrah chucking thing needs to end in my humble opinion.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the rules of the game. He aint throwing as per the rules. If you want hyperextension to be controlled, the only way to do it is to make bowlers wear a brace. But as per the rules and conventional definition of throwing that is NOT a throw.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He is comfortably better than both in every metric.

Asif was much more eye catching, such a beautiful elegantly lazy bowling action. He is the most beautiful and stylish bowler I've seen when on song.

However apart from the ugly action and run up Bumrah ticks every other box.

You like Asif's action? I am no big fan of it. I like bowlers who holds the ball close to his body during run up. Also his run up is not athletic run up. Also his left arm is not classical like you see with great fast bowlers. Among pakistan Naseem shah has decent looking action. From the 2000s it was Akhtar.

 

[Buffet]

By the way I am always up for banter and trash talk with Indians but the Bumrah chucking thing needs to end in my humble opinion.

It shows a complete lack of understanding of the rules of the game. He aint throwing as per the rules. If you want hyperextension to be controlled, the only way to do it is to make bowlers wear a brace. But as per the rules and conventional definition of throwing that is NOT a throw.

Discussion defies logic because it's virtually impossible to throw with slingy action.

You got to bend your arm forward and then straighten your arm to throw. I don't know how anyone can throw with slingy action.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Discussion defies logic because it's virtually impossible to throw with slingy action.

You got to bend your arm forward and then straighten your arm to throw. I don't know how anyone can throw with slingy action.

This two dimensional image of bowling action is used mainly for trolling purpose lol So i don't seriously answer those guys as they have no clue what they are talking about.

 

[Shafikapeo]

You wouldn’t be bending over for Bumrah if he came from a different country, your kind are born resentful. I just want to see a clean & fair sport, yeah sure everyone else has produced rubbish bowlers if that makes you happy, but it wont change the fact that Bumrah’s action is suspect; what’s the harm in getting a test done at loughborough son

Pakistan has a history of producing chuckers like Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Hasnain, Muhammad Hafiz and Saeed Ajmal. Fortunately, the rest of the world caught on to the tactic of bowling with full sleeves and reported it to the ICC, forcing these players to undergo biomechanical testing. However, just because this happened to them doesn’t mean it will happen to Bumrah.

According to ICC regulations, a bowling action is deemed illegal if the bowler’s elbow extension exceeds 15 degrees at the point of delivery. This allowance accounts for the natural flexion of the elbow during the bowling motion. If a bowler’s arm straightens beyond this limit, it is considered chucking or illegal bowling.

Bumrah’s action has been thoroughly tested and reviewed by experts and match officials multiple times since his debut in international cricket, and no evidence has been found to suggest he exceeds the 15-degree threshold. If Pakistan genuinely believes otherwise, they are welcome to report it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bumrah has surpassed Asif/Amir. He has more wickets than them at a better average. He has made much bigger impact in overseas and has also been great in Asian conditions. So there's no debate here now.

He is just 21 wickets behind Akhtar but has a better average & bigger impact in overseas. He will surpass his wicket tally too soon.

What is theere to surpass lol They hardly had a career to be compared with any bowler let alone Bumrah. May be we can compare with Mohammad Siraj.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

That was the last 10 years stats and it includes improved Anderson in his peak 6-7 years.

A fast bowlers peak in zgenrsl is from 25 - 33.

From 35 to 41 a bowler is well past their best

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Pakistan has a history of producing chuckers like Shoaib Akhtar, Mohammad Hasnain, Muhammad Hafiz and Saeed Ajmal. Fortunately, the rest of the world caught on to the tactic of bowling with full sleeves and reported it to the ICC, forcing these players to undergo biomechanical testing. However, just because this happened to them doesn’t mean it will happen to Bumrah.

According to ICC regulations, a bowling action is deemed illegal if the bowler’s elbow extension exceeds 15 degrees at the point of delivery. This allowance accounts for the natural flexion of the elbow during the bowling motion. If a bowler’s arm straightens beyond this limit, it is considered chucking or illegal bowling.

Bumrah’s action has been thoroughly tested and reviewed by experts and match officials multiple times since his debut in international cricket, and no evidence has been found to suggest he exceeds the 15-degree threshold. If Pakistan genuinely believes otherwise, they are welcome to report it.

How about Harbajahn, Prabhakar was also accused of chucking, and off course bumrah

 

[jnaveen1980]

How about Harbajahn, Prabhakar was also accused of chucking, and off course bumrah

Prabakar was not accused of chucking. It was Bhajji. And we agree his doosra was chucking and his doosra was rightly banned. Then Ojha's action was also called out which also i agree with. But this fcomical "two diemnsional" analysis by a random biased poster in a forum is what we don't agree with.

 

[Josh]

How about Harbajahn, Prabhakar was also accused of chucking, and off course bumrah

Throwing / chucking is straightening of the bent arm, not bending of the straight arm. How can you accuse Bumrah of chucking. No one can chuck with that action

 

[Shafikapeo]

How about Harbajahn, Prabhakar was also accused of chucking, and off course bumrah

There's a clear difference between being accused and being proven guilty. Harbhajan Singh underwent biomechanical testing and continued playing cricket afterward. To the best of my knowledge, Manoj Prabhakar never faced any such tests.

I have no issue with anyone questioning a player's action, but if the PCB, any cricket board, umpire, or match referee genuinely believes that Bumrah's bowling action violates ICC rules, they should file an official report.

Until proven otherwise, Bumrah's action remains completely legal, regardless of whether some envious Pakistani fans find it acceptable or not. Facts, not opinions, decide legality.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I don't think this thread is about Bumrah's bowling action. As for Bumrah's action, until it is proven illegal, it will remain legal. Now, even we thought—and still think—that Shoaib Akhtar used his hyperextension action as an excuse to wear full sleeves while bowling; otherwise, he wouldn't have come close to Brett Lee's or Shane Bond's speed.

It might be bold to say, but factually speaking, Bumrah's average and bowling strike rate are already better than Wasim and Waqar. As for those two fixers, Amir and Asif, they aren't even in the same league. I know Pakistan has produced some great fast bowlers, but Bumrah is currently better than all of them, especially in a time when most cricket rules favor batsmen.

Bumrsh is playing in a era where Test cricket has sunk to joke levels, t20 hacks are being championed.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Bumrsh is playing in a era where Test cricket has sunk to joke levels, t20 hacks are being championed.

England from 1990 to 1999

107 matches 23 wins

England from 2020 to 2024

61 matches 30 wins

lol So you are saying England is winning because of this poor "era"?

 

[Shafikapeo]

Bumrsh is playing in a era where Test cricket has sunk to joke levels, t20 hacks are being championed.

People are still watching this test series, appreciating, and tweeting about Bumrah's brilliance – including your own legend, Wasim Akram. It’s a testament to his undeniable talent and skill.

And yes, let’s not forget, in this era, ball tampering is far more difficult compared to the time when your legends were playing. The scrutiny and technology today leave little room for such acts, so let’s keep the comparisons fair and grounded in reality.

 

[Buffet]

A fast bowlers peak in zgenrsl is from 25 - 33.

From 35 to 41 a bowler is well past their best

Not sure what point you want to make. Anderson was bang average in first half and very good in second half. Had nothing to do with era, it had to do with him learning and keeping getting better. When all said and done, his best did not put him among top tier pacers.

 

[sweep_shot]

Amir has won 2 ICC trophies. Bumrah has won 1.

In terms of trophy count, Amir wins.

In terms of skills, Bumrah wins but peak Amir is not far behind.

 

[jnaveen1980]

People are still watching this test series, appreciating, and tweeting about Bumrah's brilliance – including your own legend, Wasim Akram. It’s a testament to his undeniable talent and skill.

And yes, let’s not forget, in this era, ball tampering is far more difficult compared to the time when your legends were playing. The scrutiny and technology today leave little room for such acts, so let’s keep the comparisons fair and grounded in reality.

Match fixing era, Samaraweera averaing 50 era lol That is what we want. Too many draws.