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Is Jasprit Bumrah a match-winner for team India?

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I want to specifically talk about Bhumrah's match winning ability or lack thereof. India recently lost all tests in England that he played and he picked 2 fivers. Is he just a statpadder? What use are the wickets if he cannot help his team win anything? Thoughts?

India with Bhumrah since his debut:

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India without Bhumrah

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He is a trophy winner as displayed last year in world t20s, inventing criterias out of your ****** will not change the minds of literate fans.

One ball of Bumrah to Jansen in 2024 t20 Wc is greater Than the career of Rizwan and Babar.
 
He has won crucial matches to India no doubt but doesn't have that great record as we have in general perception
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is a trophy winner as displayed last year in world t20s, inventing criterias out of your ****** will not change the minds of literate fans.

One ball of Bumrah to Jansen in 2024 t20 Wc is greater Than the career of Rizwan and Babar.
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As much as I hate Pandya, he was your matchwinner that day, not Bumrah.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is a trophy winner as displayed last year in world t20s, inventing criterias out of your ****** will not change the minds of literate fans.

One ball of Bumrah to Jansen in 2024 t20 Wc is greater Than the career of Rizwan and Babar.
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This is called thread obsession. He just wants his thread bumped to talk anything about Bumrah lol. "look here is my thread getting bumped" Donald Trump syndrome.
 
Anyone incapable of taking a 10fer in a match when he has taken over 200 wickets is no match winner.

Anyone remember Bob Willis, he was a pretty good fast bowler, but he will always be remembered more for his commentary one liners than his bowling.

History will not be kind to Bumrah, unless he becomes a witty commentator.
 
One of our biggest match winners in the last 10 years. E.g., Bossed the T20 World Cup helping us finally win an ICC trophy after more than 10 years. His spells against Pakistan and in the finals were epic but he was great (not just good) all throughout the tournament. His test exploits especially overseas have been nothing short of spectacular.

India has been fortunate to have several match winners in the last 15 years after our greats (SRT, Dhoni, Sehwag, Dravid, Yuvraj, Zak, etc.) retired. Ashwin, Jadeja, Rohit, Pant, etc. Bumrah even among these terrific players has been right there at the top alongside Kohli.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
He doesn't even play Pakistan, what a joke filter. How many 10 fers? As a SA and a choker team supporter it is not surprising you support a useless statpadder like Bhumrah.
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When last time GOAT play a World Cup and a World T20 match against minnow Pakistan , he was man of the match in both matches :shh:shh:kp:klopp
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
He doesn't even play Pakistan, what a joke filter. How many 10 fers? As a SA and a choker team supporter it is not surprising you support a useless statpadder like Bhumrah.
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Bumrah is just in different league among all Asian pacers in quality. If you can't see it I can't help you.

You wanted to specifically talk about Bumrah's match winning ability or lack thereof. I simply shared actual output.

If you want to discuss test winning ability of Bumrah against great team of Pakistan then he does not have that ability due to no games against Pakistan.

Perhaps, thread title should be - Bumrah lack of match winning record in the test format against Pakistan.
 
Buffet said:
Bumrah is just in different league among all Asian pacers in quality. If you can't see it I can't help you.

You wanted to specifically talk about Bumrah's match winning ability or lack thereof. I simply shared actual output.

If you want to discuss test winning ability of Bumrah against great team of Pakistan then he does not have that ability due to no games against Pakistan.

Perhaps, thread title should be - Bumrah lack of match winning record in the test format against Pakistan.
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Comparing WI team of the past to current, comparing bowlers who had great records against strong Pak teams to someone who chickens out against Pak and just lost 2 matches in England and chickened out. Stop it. No wonder you support a choker team.
 
Rajdeep said:
I love the way @Buffet own's with stats in all Bumrah threads.

However since this is a troll thread, I would request him to spend his effort and energy against serious posters who questions Bumrah

:kp
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I hardly saw any sane discussion about Bumrah during this series to be honest.

It was flatest pitch in Eng.
20+ tons in single series
Highest run tally in history in 5 tests in Eng.

Bumrah : 14 wickets - 2 5-fers - Avg 26 - SR 51

Tons of insane threads about Bumrah. It does not make any sense.

Newsflash: Two closest Asian pacers who can be compared to Bumrah are Wasim and IK. Both did not bowl in 5 tests series with 20+ tons and highest run tally any time in their career but,

Wasim career in Eng : Avg 28-29 & SR mid 60s with 2 5-fers
IK career in Eng : Avg 24-25 & SR mid 60s with 4 5-fers

Some one will say Bumrah picked up lots of lower odder wickets, well lower order is far harder to pick up now than 80s/90s. Anyway, it's poitless because Bumrah has higher percentage of top order wickets in his career compared to IK/Wasim.

Forum has collectively lost it's mind by so many troll threads related to Bumrah when he did not even have a poor series and it was just one bad game. Forget about Wasim/IK, even similar quality pacers like McGrath, Marshall etc had many bad games.
 
Buffet said:
I hardly saw any sane discussion about Bumrah during this series to be honest.

It was flatest pitch in Eng.
20+ tons in single series
Highest run tally in history in 5 tests in Eng.

Bumrah : 14 wickets - 2 5-fers - Avg 26 - SR 51

Tons of insane threads about Bumrah. It does not make any sense.

Newsflash: Two closest Asian pacers who can be compared to Bumrah are Wasim and IK. Both did not bowl in 5 tests series with 20+ tons and highest run tally any time in their career but,

Wasim career in Eng : Avg 28-29 & SR mid 60s with 2 5-fers
IK career in Eng : Avg 24-25 & SR mid 60s with 4 5-fers

Some one will say Bumrah picked up lots of lower odder wickets, well lower order is far harder to pick up now than 80s/90s. Anyway, it's poitless because Bumrah has higher percentage of top order wickets in his career compared to IK/Wasim.

Forum has collectively lost it's mind by so many troll threads related to Bumrah when he did not even have a poor series and it was just one bad game. Forget about Wasim/IK, even similar quality pacers like McGrath, Marshall etc had many bad games.
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and it was a super flat pitch where england could only take 2 wickets for 400+ runs over 5 sessions.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Comparing WI team of the past to current, comparing bowlers who had great records against strong Pak teams to someone who chickens out against Pak and just lost 2 matches in England and chickened out. Stop it. No wonder you support a choker team.
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You should open a thread - Why Bumrah chickens out playing tests matches against Pakistan. it will go well with all other Bumrah threads in forum in last few weeks. Posters can have a quality discussion.
 
Buffet said:
I hardly saw any sane discussion about Bumrah during this series to be honest.

It was flatest pitch in Eng.
20+ tons in single series
Highest run tally in history in 5 tests in Eng.

Bumrah : 14 wickets - 2 5-fers - Avg 26 - SR 51

Tons of insane threads about Bumrah. It does not make any sense.

Newsflash: Two closest Asian pacers who can be compared to Bumrah are Wasim and IK. Both did not bowl in 5 tests series with 20+ tons and highest run tally any time in their career but,

Wasim career in Eng : Avg 28-29 & SR mid 60s with 2 5-fers
IK career in Eng : Avg 24-25 & SR mid 60s with 4 5-fers

Some one will say Bumrah picked up lots of lower odder wickets, well lower order is far harder to pick up now than 80s/90s. Anyway, it's poitless because Bumrah has higher percentage of top order wickets in his career compared to IK/Wasim.

Forum has collectively lost it's mind by so many troll threads related to Bumrah when he did not even have a poor series and it was just one bad game. Forget about Wasim/IK, even similar quality pacers like McGrath, Marshall etc had many bad games.
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Everyone understands that Bumrah is a great bowler and one of the best ever from Asia. Most posters here do as well.

However, they dont want to accept it due to jealousy. It is clear as water.
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
So Siraj who is beating up mohalla West Indies is better than Imran Khan who played Viv Richards' WI? LOL
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No, data does not tell that Siraj is a better bowler than IK.

It simply tells that Siraj has won more matches for his team when playing outside Asia compared to most Asian pacers.

Is't your thread about match winning ability or lack thereof?
 
Bumrah is definitely different.

Cant bowl for a 5 test series, scrapes up the tail, loses every match he plays in, has gifted more ICC trophies to opponents than winning them, the list goes on.

But a guy with less than 250 wickets is a GOAT, meanwhile Siraj out bowled and out performed Bumrah in every statistic in this series.

The cult have nothing left but smoke and mirrors.
 
That’s just an absolutely absurd thread made based on two sample matches and @Buffet has owned him by showing true reflection of Bumrah’s match winning ability in Test cricket against the top teams. :bumrah :inti
 
Most Wickets by Indians in SENA Test Wins

63 - Jasprit Bumrah
51 - Siraj
38 - E Prasanna
34 - B Chandrasekhar
34 - Ishant Sharma
29 - Mohd Shami
28 - Anil Kumble
26 - Zaheer Khan

:kp
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is a trophy winner as displayed last year in world t20s, inventing criterias out of your ****** will not change the minds of literate fans.

One ball of Bumrah to Jansen in 2024 t20 Wc is greater Than the career of Rizwan and Babar.
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This .the entire forum like the entire country is made of jealous cricket illiterate people who compare akmal to Sachin a xyz to Kohli and then go running to China aka Australia..amla to someone and now questioning whether Bumrah is a match winner or not...cricket is a team game..not 1 vs 11...siraj was the main man but India wouldn't win without Prasidh and the batsmen scoring the runs...
 
RizwanT20Champ said:
Comparing WI team of the past to current, comparing bowlers who had great records against strong Pak teams to someone who chickens out against Pak and just lost 2 matches in England and chickened out. Stop it. No wonder you support a choker team.
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Siraj does not have a 5-fer in wins in WI. His all 5-fers in wins came in SA, Eng or Aus.

5-fers in win for Asian pacers in SA, Eng and Aus.
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Wickets Picked by 𝗕𝘂𝗺𝗿𝗮𝗵 in Test
(By batting order Wise)

1 - 27
2 - 26
3 - 15
4 - 32
5 - 16
6 - 22
7 - 17*
8 - 24
9 - 17
10 - 17
11 - 5

This is for people's who said Bumrah usually takes lower orders batsman wickets. Another propaganda busted

:kp
 
Devadwal said:
Wickets Picked by 𝗕𝘂𝗺𝗿𝗮𝗵 in Test
(By batting order Wise)

1 - 27
2 - 26
3 - 15
4 - 32
5 - 16
6 - 22
7 - 17*
8 - 24
9 - 17
10 - 17
11 - 5

This is for people's who said Bumrah usually takes lower orders batsman wickets. Another propaganda busted

:kp
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want More facts? Here are more facts about GOAT.

Bumrah has picked 218 Test Wickets

50-89 runs (15 wickets)
100+ runs (8 wickets)

Rest 195 Wickets Came, When batter Scored less than 50

In those 195 Wickets

1 - 26
2 - 19
3 - 14
4 - 24
5 - 15
6 - 18
7 - 17
8 - 23
9 - 17
10 - 17
11 - 5

:kp
 
Buffet said:
I hardly saw any sane discussion about Bumrah during this series to be honest.

It was flatest pitch in Eng.
20+ tons in single series
Highest run tally in history in 5 tests in Eng.

Bumrah : 14 wickets - 2 5-fers - Avg 26 - SR 51

Tons of insane threads about Bumrah. It does not make any sense.

Newsflash: Two closest Asian pacers who can be compared to Bumrah are Wasim and IK. Both did not bowl in 5 tests series with 20+ tons and highest run tally any time in their career but,

Wasim career in Eng : Avg 28-29 & SR mid 60s with 2 5-fers
IK career in Eng : Avg 24-25 & SR mid 60s with 4 5-fers

Some one will say Bumrah picked up lots of lower odder wickets, well lower order is far harder to pick up now than 80s/90s. Anyway, it's poitless because Bumrah has higher percentage of top order wickets in his career compared to IK/Wasim.

Forum has collectively lost it's mind by so many troll threads related to Bumrah when he did not even have a poor series and it was just one bad game. Forget about Wasim/IK, even similar quality pacers like McGrath, Marshall etc had many bad games.
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He is coming from surgery. As per his doctors advice he had to pick and choose. Even there he was not remotely at his best fitness level like he was in the 4 BGT tests. In the first test he created so many chances. Jaiswal dropped all of them. Too many strawman logic like India is losing because Bumrah is playing are floating around.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Bumrah is definitely different.

Cant bowl for a 5 test series, scrapes up the tail, loses every match he plays in, has gifted more ICC trophies to opponents than winning them, the list goes on.

But a guy with less than 250 wickets is a GOAT, meanwhile Siraj out bowled and out performed Bumrah in every statistic in this series.

The cult have nothing left but smoke and mirrors.
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Yes better bowler is always defined based on one single series. And you talk about a cult.

And you talk as if icc trophies are handled on a platter, that has to be the stupidest point I every read online

Your every single post is being in a hateful cult and only reason you latch on to Siraj is to attack Bumrah. You hate Siraj equally because he is an indian, no one is fooled.

Keep hating, it just makes our victories all the more sweeter.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He is coming from surgery. As per his doctors advice he had to pick and choose. Even there he was not remotely at his best fitness level like he was in the 4 BGT tests. In the first test he created so many chances. Jaiswal dropped all of them. Too many strawman logic like India is losing because Bumrah is playing are floating around.
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Managing fast bowlers is how you ensure you have an good bench of bowlers and that your bowlers have a long career.

Australia and South Africa has been doing this for long. India have not which is why we lose a lot of promising bowlers to injury

This is not the 90s with less cricket played where bowlers can keep bowling unless you are smooth action like Anderson.

Its weird most of the criticism is coming from a country where not a single fast bowler has managed to take 200 wickets for many decades.

The fact that India has managed bumrah with all his injuries to be near 250 test wickets and still counting means they are doing something right.

We don't want bumrah to end up like Afridi or Naseem or any of the Pak fast bowlers who come with a bang and then in a year or 2 start trundling ineffectively because they were mis managed and don't have great careers.

Instead of learning how to manage fast bowlers from India, Pak fans are taking the wrong lessons and attacking

Maybe the country which has a 19 averaging bowler nearing 250 wickets despite an injury prnje action, and which has won many overseas matches recently through bowling is doing it right and you, which does not have a single test fast bowlers take 200 wickets for many decades is doing it wrong?

Maybe?
 
Sachin fan said:
Managing fast bowlers is how you ensure you have an good bench of bowlers and that your bowlers have a long career.

Australia and South Africa has been doing this for long. India have not which is why we lose a lot of promising bowlers to injury

This is not the 90s with less cricket played where bowlers can keep bowling unless you are smooth action like Anderson.

Its weird most of the criticism is coming from a country where not a single fast bowler has managed to take 200 wickets for many decades.

The fact that India has managed bumrah with all his injuries to be near 250 test wickets and still counting means they are doing something right.

We don't want bumrah to end up like Afridi or Naseem or any of the Pak fast bowlers who come with a bang and then in a year or 2 start trundling ineffectively because they were mis managed and don't have great careers.

Instead of learning how to manage fast bowlers from India, Pak fans are taking the wrong lessons and attacking

Maybe the country which has a 19 averaging bowler nearing 250 wickets despite an injury prnje action, and which has won many overseas matches recently through bowling is doing it right and you, which does not have a single test fast bowlers take 200 wickets for many decades is doing it wrong?

Maybe?
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POTW! Superbly articulated. :bow:
 
Devadwal said:
want More facts? Here are more facts about GOAT.

Bumrah has picked 218 Test Wickets

50-89 runs (15 wickets)
100+ runs (8 wickets)

Rest 195 Wickets Came, When batter Scored less than 50

In those 195 Wickets

1 - 26
2 - 19
3 - 14
4 - 24
5 - 15
6 - 18
7 - 17
8 - 23
9 - 17
10 - 17
11 - 5

:kp
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Bumrah is daddy of haters
 
Sachin fan said:
Yes better bowler is always defined based on one single series. And you talk about a cult.

And you talk as if icc trophies are handled on a platter, that has to be the stupidest point I every read online

Your every single post is being in a hateful cult and only reason you latch on to Siraj is to attack Bumrah. You hate Siraj equally because he is an indian, no one is fooled.

Keep hating, it just makes our victories all the more sweeter.
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You should be patient with people who ghrough depression. Series is over. Lot of INdians have moved on to talk about next series. He is still having an epic meltdown.
 
Rarely wins matches alone like a Dale Steyn, Wasim Akram, or Mitchell Starc at their peak.
Frequent back injuries have kept him out of major series.
 
they have a saying that when a bowler sees a green wicket, or takes a couple of wickets they start bending their back more to get that extra yard of pace..

With Bumrah, in SENA, he clearly tries harder by bending his arm that bit more
 
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