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Confucius

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I am sick to death of watching this guy worm his way into the team. His presence is clear proof of nepotism - not that we are short of proof: see Younis Khan in the previous world cup.
Haaris Sohail is sat on the sidelines wondering what he is going to have for aftari while the "professor" is edifying our middle order into paralysis. Sarfaraz's utility as a batsman is being diminished as his most suited spot is occupied by him. My support for this team is wearing thin. It is clear to me that the Captain and the coach do not have the full autonomy as to he makes the final eleven. If they do then that is evenmore of a greater concern.
 
Let's make one thing absolutely clear. Hafeez is there because chief selector, coach and captain all want him there. Those three are more to blame than Hafeez himself.
 
I completely agree with this assessment.

Most players, as they gain experience, learn and grow their skillset. Not Mr Professor - he started off in 2003, was a mediocre batsman then, still is a mediocre batsman. Batsman, if given extended runs, can learn from their mistakes and do wonders - just look at Kumar Sangakkara's career - the guy was given some time and he became one of the world's best batsman.

Haris is 27 and already in his prime - how much more of his career would the team and management waste on the bench itself. Haris bowls too - something which Hafeez is reluctant to do so, as he fears a ban might happen again (another sign of a selfish player).
 
Hafeez should not be in the team but Haris is too limited with his stroke play to threaten any decent bowlers. If anyone bowls on just outside off stump Haris will be strokless because of his grip.
 
Confucius said:
I am sick to death of watching this guy worm his way into the team. His presence is clear proof of nepotism - not that we are short of proof: see Younis Khan in the previous world cup.
Haaris Sohail is sat on the sidelines wondering what he is going to have for aftari while the "professor" is edifying our middle order into paralysis. Sarfaraz's utility as a batsman is being diminished as his most suited spot is occupied by him. My support for this team is wearing thin. It is clear to me that the Captain and the coach do not have the full autonomy as to he makes the final eleven. If they do then that is evenmore of a greater concern.
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May be they just wanna give him last oppurtunity before he is shelved.
 
Hafeez the symbol of pakistani crickets mediocrity in limited overs cricket for the last 14 years!
 
Expected is that
Hafeez will open in next match, Shahzad dropped, Haris Sohail at 4
 
Bewal Express said:
Hafeez should not be in the team but Haris is too limited with his stroke play to threaten any decent bowlers. If anyone bowls on just outside off stump Haris will be strokless because of his grip.
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Atleast Haaris has time to develop and evolve. Sharjeel was initially a leg side hack but started to devlope an offside game before the fixing fiasco. We need to plan for the future.
 
Are you 100 percent sure. I can understand the logic of him being a second option for one of the youngsters in the middle order but not vice versa. He just recently flopped in england! What kind of defunct logic is this?
 
I think Hafeez is holding back pakistan in general...
 
On one side, Mickey Arthur says that he wants to change and modernize the way Pakistan play cricket and on the other hand he has Hafeez playing at No. 4, who's batting is quite obviously still in the 90's. The guy is 37 and yet still hasn't learnt how to rotate the strike. What do you expect, Mickey?

About time we throw him and Shehzad out of the team for good. Haris should bat at 4 and he can bowl aswell.
 
He should have been dropped 4 years ago never to be picked again but here we have him still batting selfishly and poorly while his bowling lacks any bite it possessed.
 
From an ODI perspective atleast Younis Khan is up there. This all comes down to an inept and corrupt PCB.
 
The biggest problem in Pakistan cricket that is holding us back is that seniority rules over merit. Hence why we won't see a young team or a young captain and many players, coaches and etc in the set up miss out because only in Pakistan merit doesn't take precedence.

To sum it up when Pakistan was looking for a new coach (before they appointed Arthur) Mohsin Khan refused to enter his application because Wasim Akram (who was one of the selection panel members) was less senior than him. Yep that's Pakistani logic for you right there, no respect whatsoever from senior figures and they set this kind of example to the younger generation...
 
Hafeez is there for his bowling..and he should open the innings. Haris Sohail is unlucky to not to get a game.
 
Hafeez has ruined our middle order we cannot win against any decent team with hacks like him he's a chucker and a rubbish player. Should be forced retired.
 
What seniority does he have? Not even a single player in the world considers him a player of any value they laugh at this joker.
 
super hitter said:
Expected is that
Hafeez will open in next match, Shahzad dropped, Haris Sohail at 4
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Hafeez opening is much worse than Hafeez at 4.

For me, he can only make the team as an allrounder at 6. But again he's not a power-hitter.

Hafeez prefers opening I guess. :hafeez2
 
If Haris comes In then you could drop imad and Hafeez.
2 in one.
Play Faheem lower down.
 
He's going to stay for long. Good bowling spell by Professor.
 
Statsman said:
He's going to stay for long. Good bowling spell by Professor.
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Bad for Pakistan in the long term

Since 2014 is second on the list of players who face the least dot balls after AB

He had an amazing series vs England last time batting at 4 and 5. Yet now he is accomodating the legendary Professor
 
Dot ball masterclass by Hafeez against South Africa here. For all youngsters watching this is how you build pressure on your own team. I am tempted to have a go at Babar but look at who he has as an example...
 
Hafeez cannot be opener nor 4th down, he is momentum killer at 4 and cannot play new ball, its very hard to keep him....Same is the case with Azhar :acp:
 
yasir said:
Hafeez cannot be opener nor 4th down, he is momentum killer at 4 and cannot play new ball, its very hard to keep him....Same is the case with Azhar :acp:
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Agreed, especially when Shoaib Malik is in good form.
 
at least Azhar gets out while trying for the team, this guy first loses the game for the team and then gets humiliated from the opponent
 
Cant understand this special love for Hafeez by Mickey :(
First he changed Sarfi's and Malik's position now this mediocre selfish player isnt going anywhere.
 
Why isn't a youngster like Haris Sohail not getting a chance over Hafeez?

Haris can do EVERYTHING Hafeez can do at the bare minimum. Plus he is younger and has potential. This is ludicrous. He is an ideal #4 batsman.
 
Hafeez is the most useless player pakistan has persisted so long , he is second afridi.
 
Sarfraz also made it clear that Hafeez will bat at No. 4. “Hafeez Bhai has been batting at No. 4 for the last one and a half year or so. His slot is set and he will be seen batting at the same position.

Looks like Haris will have to settle for a spot on the bench.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Sarfraz also made it clear that Hafeez will bat at No. 4. “Hafeez Bhai has been batting at No. 4 for the last one and a half year or so. His slot is set and he will be seen batting at the same position.

Looks like Haris will have to settle for a spot on the bench.
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And mistakes that hvae nothing to do with talent at their disposal begin!!

A middle order of Babar, Haris and Hafeez sounds very good and infinitely better than Babar, Hafeez, Sarfaraz!

Malik has no space . . team needs to be . . Babar, Haris, Hafeez and Sarfaraz (3, 4, 5 and 6)
 
Abdullah719 said:
Sarfraz also made it clear that Hafeez will bat at No. 4. “Hafeez Bhai has been batting at No. 4 for the last one and a half year or so. His slot is set and he will be seen batting at the same position.

Looks like Haris will have to settle for a spot on the bench.
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RIP our batting.

Haris won't play Malik will come down and so Sarfraz. In case of a collapse Hafeez will also contribute with his edges.
 
Ideally Hafeez should bat at 6 and no nigher then 5.
I still feel he is one batsmen who can score quickly, especially when the ball is a little older and take advantage of a good platform.

If anyone is keeping Suhail out it is Malik. Malik should not have been anywhere near the squad let alone be starting in the first eleven.
 
IMMY69 said:
Ideally Hafeez should bat at 6 and no nigher then 5.
I still feel he is one batsmen who can score quickly, especially when the ball is a little older and take advantage of a good platform.

If anyone is keeping Suhail out it is Malik. Malik should not have been anywhere near the squad let alone be starting in the first eleven.
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He doesn't want to bat at 6. In fact, he's only batting at 4 because the others above him are fixed. He'd rather open, as he said himself.... Prof simply doesn't want to bat at 5/6.
 
Abdullah719 said:
He doesn't want to bat at 6. In fact, he's only batting at 4 because the others above him are fixed. He'd rather open, as he said himself.... Prof simply doesn't want to bat at 5/6.
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Well I think 4,5 and 6 should be fluid, depending on the start we get.. Just like in the CT17.
if we are 150 for 1 and lose a wicket then Hafeez can walk in at 4. But if we were 60 for 1 then ideally Suhail should be coming in.

Malik just doesn't have the stats to back it up, especially in England. Whereas Hafeez has the technique to play the short ball and scores at a better tempo. However, his weakness is the moving ball and hence should not be batting higher then 5 in the first 15-20 overs...
 
Abdullah719 said:
Sarfraz also made it clear that Hafeez will bat at No. 4. “Hafeez Bhai has been batting at No. 4 for the last one and a half year or so. His slot is set and he will be seen batting at the same position.

Looks like Haris will have to settle for a spot on the bench.
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Sarfraz should kiss his captaincy good bye if he benches Haris and i would celebrate his ouster after this farcical decision.
 
Hafeez is better than Soahail, with much better SR. He is older but fitter and better fielder too.

I'm not a big fan of Hafeez but would prefer him over HS.
 
Only Harris Sohail can score a ton and lose the match, if Hafeez scores, he does ta much better SR and plays to win. Sohail reminds me of Misbah.
 
moghul said:
Only Harris Sohail can score a ton and lose the match, if Hafeez scores, he does ta much better SR and plays to win. Sohail reminds me of Misbah.
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I'm not entirely convinced about Suhail, but far far less convinced about Malik...
It should have been one or the other in the squad and on form you can never pick Malik..
The final batting position should have gone to Rizwan as we also lacking a back-up keeper and he's a far better fielder coming on as sub then most of them...
 
IMMY69 said:
I'm not entirely convinced about Suhail, but far far less convinced about Malik...
It should have been one or the other in the squad and on form you can never pick Malik..
The final batting position should have gone to Rizwan as we also lacking a back-up keeper and he's a far better fielder coming on as sub then most of them...
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In a perfect world

1.Imam Ul Haq
2.Fakhar Zaman
3.Babar Azam
4.Haris Sohail
5.Mohammad Rizwan
6.Khushdil Shah/Umar Akmal/Mohammad Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim (c)
8.Shadab Khan
9.Hasan Ali
10.Haris Rauf
11.Shaheen Afridi
 
Abdullah719 said:
Sarfraz also made it clear that Hafeez will bat at No. 4. “Hafeez Bhai has been batting at No. 4 for the last one and a half year or so. His slot is set and he will be seen batting at the same position.

Looks like Haris will have to settle for a spot on the bench.
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Didn't Sarfraz say he is batting in the top 5? If so, this means Malik will be batting at 6 as his spot his confirmed as the backbone of this team :))
 
I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are 5 one day matches before the first World Cup match .
I am more than happy for them to go Hafeez Sarfaraz and Malik at 4-5-6 for the first one day game v England . As the series progresses and Hafeez and Malik revert to type and struggle the management will see sense and Harris wil come in .
 
GreenKhan said:
I think a lot of people are forgetting that there are 5 one day matches before the first World Cup match .
I am more than happy for them to go Hafeez Sarfaraz and Malik at 4-5-6 for the first one day game v England . As the series progresses and Hafeez and Malik revert to type and struggle the management will see sense and Harris wil come in .
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Hafeey might come into the side from 3rd or 4th odi due to his injury. I believe Haris will have a permanent spot in the team by 1st-2nd match of WC.
 
As i said in a different thread, Malik should not be in the side, play Hafeez at no.6 and play Haris at no.4. All sorted. What's the problem?
Haris is experienced enough so Malik is not needed.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
As i said in a different thread, Malik should not be in the side, play Hafeez at no.6 and play Haris at no.4. All sorted. What's the problem?
Haris is experienced enough so Malik is not needed.
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Hafeez doesn't want to play at 6 and Malik can't be dropped because he is a senior :genius
 
Abdullah719 said:
Sarfraz also made it clear that Hafeez will bat at No. 4. “Hafeez Bhai has been batting at No. 4 for the last one and a half year or so. His slot is set and he will be seen batting at the same position.

Looks like Haris will have to settle for a spot on the bench.
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Oh dear. What a rotten senior culture we have. Haris scores two hundreds against Australia so is in form, averages 48 overall and yet can't displace "blessed in all facets" Hafeez who averages 33 after 17 years of cricket.

There's no way Mickey can be in support of this surely?
 
Seems like the top 7 with look something like

Fakhar
Imam
Babar
Hafeez
Sarfraz
Malik
Asif
 
Hafeez > Haris > Malik.

Malik is the main problem, his purple patch is over after giving us a false hope.
 
Mohammad Hafeez along with Haris Sohail have gained much value in absence of Shadab, as these 2 can prove to be useful spin bowling options, unlike Shoaib Malik and can help in benching Yasir Shah.

It's Shoaib Malik, who is hurting our team combination badly and needs to be removed as soon as possible.
 
If He is going to bat at 4 ahead of Harris that is going to be detrimental for both Pakistan and Harris Sohail
 
hitthestump said:
Oh dear. What a rotten senior culture we have. Haris scores two hundreds against Australia so is in form, averages 48 overall and yet can't displace "blessed in all facets" Hafeez who averages 33 after 17 years of cricket.

There's no way Mickey can be in support of this surely?
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Pathetic state of affairs really
 
Malik has made such a big problem. Wish he has a bit of guts to retire before the WC.
 
Harris has scored three centuries against australia, how many centuries have hafeez and malik scored against Australia?
 
Haris needs to first stay fit before anyone can hold him back
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Mohammad Hafeez along with Haris Sohail have gained much value in absence of Shadab, as these 2 can prove to be useful spin bowling options, unlike Shoaib Malik and can help in benching Yasir Shah.

It's Shoaib Malik, who is hurting our team combination badly and needs to be removed as soon as possible.
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when we think like this Malik will bring his best to make 2 good scores and 2 avg scores such as

72 (57) and 48 (39) - 2 good scores
30 (31) and 22 (27) - 2 avg scores

then will continue to scores less than 20s , this has been happening for a long time now.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
when we think like this Malik will bring his best to make 2 good scores and 2 avg scores such as

72 (57) and 48 (39) - 2 good scores
30 (31) and 22 (27) - 2 avg scores

then will continue to scores less than 20s , this has been happening for a long time now.
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The two good scores against Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

Can't wait to see this middle order in action against England...
 
Haris had his chance today and he blew it, the openers were out and he should have grinded it out but he failed.

He cant take that position, we need new middle order batsmens to play with Babar.
 
Haris Sohail doesn't have the desire to take his game to the next level. Unfortunately he also doesn't have the body or fitness to take his game to the next level.

Should be moved on after the WC.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
Haris had his chance today and he blew it, the openers were out and he should have grinded it out but he failed.

He cant take that position, we need new middle order batsmens to play with Babar.
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Same criteria should apply to Haris that is applied to Umar Akmal. Don't care how talented you are, if you cannot take your team over the line based on the numerous chances you get, then you should be booted out...
 
Hasan123 said:
Haris Sohail doesn't have the desire to take his game to the next level. Unfortunately he also doesn't have the body or fitness to take his game to the next level.

Should be moved on after the WC.
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For the modern game he is not good enough, its true his fitness is awful too. His wicket was key today, number 4 batsmen should be able to grind it out.

He choked and the team collapsed after him.
 
You duck a few bouncers and then edge one just after the bowler mocks you shows one's mental state. I was one of his biggest supporters, but am officially off the train. Next.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
For the modern game he is not good enough, its true his fitness is awful too. His wicket was key today, number 4 batsmen should be able to grind it out.

He choked and the team collapsed after him.
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He doesn't have the desire and heart.

Pakistan are better off without weak characters like this. His body wont last till 2023 anyway. Time to move on from him after the WC.
 
He's overrated. He has shown ability to score in easier conditions but like all other Pakistani batsmen, he's nothing special in testing conditions.
 
Hasan123 said:
He doesn't have the desire and heart.

Pakistan are better off without weak characters like this. His body wont last till 2023 anyway. Time to move on from him after the WC.
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still cannot understand why they discarded Fawad Alam, he would have been a great middle order batsmen tucking them away and rotating the strike. Hes 33 now and its too late for him they need another player like him who has very good fitness and accumulate at a 100 SR. This is what pakistan should be looking for.

Once Haris our number 4 batsmen went i knew pak were in trouble and no other player in the team had the potential to play a long innings after number 4.
 
Majestic_Inzi said:
still cannot understand why they discarded Fawad Alam, he would have been a great middle order batsmen tucking them away and rotating the strike. Hes 33 now and its too late for him they need another player like him who has very good fitness and accumulate at a 100 SR. This is what pakistan should be looking for.

Once Haris our number 4 batsmen went i knew pak were in trouble and no other player in the team had the potential to play a long innings after number 4.
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He should have got a chance in tests but in ODIs he didn't have the shot range or game against pace to be a success.
 
in my personal opinion we should have taken a player like azhar ali to this world cup just in case marshmallow players like Haris let us down. He would have been like gold today. Haris is overated and is just too soft. i mean he cant even stay fit for goodness sake..we really need to find another number 4..
 
One game and people are jumping up and down. If you want to develop a no.4 in Haris how consistent have the chances been provided. Every loss results in change and swap easy soft targets but keep playing hafeez and Malik pak will never get a solid batsman. The team that played today was the perfect 11 except Wahab playing for shaheen.

Consistent chances to a batsman at a certain position will give him the confidence + he knows how to pace his innings. The batting order they are playing now should have been played for the last one year not straight into the CWC. Even in the last CWC the pak team mgmt did the same they played Haris Manson and Umar in the middle order benching MYK
 
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