Is seniority killing the Pakistan Cricket Team?

[Cricket]

Clearly something needs to be done to help Pakistan understand that they will go no where until this unwritten rule is gone. In this series, it is obvious that Younis khan is playing only because he is a senior. He has not been performing for quite some time now (disregarding test cricket), because of him, the talents of youngsters will go to waste unfortunately. In this series, either maqsood or fawad alam will miss out because of younis. Someone help pakistan team understand that youngsters need to be pursued, not a has been younis

 

[hussain.r97]

I can't wait till all these seniors retire. I want to see what happens with this culture after our old seniors retire. Maybe the seniority culture will disappear, all our upcoming players have started around the same time and are all around the same age... Our most senior junior is Umar Akmal. I pray this culture disappears because it's really hurting us.

 

[Saeed]

Completely agreed. Old has not only destroyed Pakistani cricket but the nation itself.

 

[Hamza_]

Completely agreed. Old has not only destroyed Pakistani cricket but the nation itself.

Exactly, The elders keeping young ones and ideas away just because they think they're experienced but capabilities, skills and talent matters more then experience.

 

[Shafi]

This Senior-junior culture will never finish!!!

 

[mosh101]

Misbah ki dosti-yaari is doing no good to Pakistan !

 

[Amir]

This Senior-junior culture will never finish!!!

This. Anyone who think it ends with Misbah and Younis are wrong. After them, Umer will assume he deserves it. Also, don't be surprised if we lose after WC with inexperienced young players and under the guise of "experience" the likes of Malik and Kamran will be brought back.

 

[waqar-uk]

Clearly something needs to be done to help Pakistan understand that they will go no where until this unwritten rule is gone. In this series, it is obvious that Younis khan is playing only because he is a senior. He has not been performing for quite some time now (disregarding test cricket), because of him, the talents of youngsters will go to waste unfortunately. In this series, either maqsood or fawad alam will miss out because of younis. Someone help pakistan team understand that youngsters need to be pursued, not a has been younis

Well both Fawad and Maqsood are playing so let's see what they are made of.

 

[Madplayer]

afridi misbah and yk need to go. unfortunately we cant get rid of atleast two of them in misbah and afridi till the WC.

 

[Alam_dar]

I want to see Hammad Azam in action as all rounder instead of Afridi in Australia NZ pitches.

I want to see Fakhar Alam

I want to see Sharjeel

I don't want to see Fawad and Misbah in one team.

 

[aukhan]

Afridi, Younis and Misbah should retire and PCB should hand over the captaincy to Hafeez for WC 2015 only and make Akmal/Maqsood as deputy. Maqsood looks more sensible than Akmal and because of Kamran Akmal chances of return again with AKmal in power... he will be my preferred choice.

 

[aukhan]

I want to see Hammad Azam in action as all rounder instead of Afridi in Australia NZ pitches.

I want to see Fakhar Alam

I want to see Sharjeel

I don't want to see Fawad and Misbah in one team.

He is a singer

 

[razabbas]

Is that even a question ? Everyone knows that

Younis khan would have never played this much odis if he would have from Sa ,Aus , Eng or Ind and Afridi would have never played more than 100 odis

 

[pakistani pride]

Whole team combo is a mess.
younis. Afridi. Hafeez whats their role.

they dont even deserve to play at the positions they are.

younis for sure not.
he kills the whole batting order.

 

[nafaiz]

I can't wait till all these seniors retire. I want to see what happens with this culture after our old seniors retire. Maybe the seniority culture will disappear, all our upcoming players have started around the same time and are all around the same age... Our most senior junior is Umar Akmal. I pray this culture disappears because it's really hurting us.

Dont u know "THE GREAT AFRIDI is still young and growing younger"

 

[wazzy]

Time for Pakistan to think beyond Misbah, Younis, Hafeez and Afridi. There needs to be a plan to replace them sooner than later. They have nothing more to offer and are holding the team back.

 

[Mamoon]

I am sick of these seniors.

 

[AnasK]

Every team prefers seniority than youth currently. In recent past, players like Kallis, Jayawerdena, Tendulkar, Alviro Petersen, Tamim Iqbal, Watson etc etc were persisted despite their lack of form. But still Pakistan needs to drop Younus Khan

 

[MRSN]

Every team prefers seniority than youth currently. In recent past, players like Kallis, Jayawerdena, Tendulkar, Alviro Petersen, Tamim Iqbal, Watson etc etc were persisted despite their lack of form. But still Pakistan needs to drop Younus Khan

this post is such a until I read Alvirio Petersen, Tamim Iqbal) )

 

[AnasK]

this post is such a until I read Alvirio Petersen, Tamim Iqbal) )

Both are seniors of their respective country.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

If ajmal was avalaible it probably would have been Maqsood who would have missed out for YK.

That gives you an idea about how much he is costing us

 

[MRSN]

Both are seniors of their respective country.

the difference is the players you mentioned are match winners except for AP. Misbah and YK aren't.

 

[Munna]

Seniority is quite over rated in our culture. We have got a handsome number of these seniors who have been dragging their careers for many years now and still claim to be more valuable than players who could have done much better than youngsters.

 

[AnasK]

the difference is the players you mentioned are match winners except for AP. Misbah and YK aren't.

We are talking about seniority or match-winners? If a player is out of form than whats point of being a match winner?
They all are seniors and were out of form but teams persisted with them, like Pakistan now.

 

[AnasK]

But still I want YK out of ODI team.

 

[MRSN]

We are talking about seniority or match-winners? If a player is out of form than whats point of being a match winner?
They all are seniors and were out of form but teams persisted with them, like Pakistan now.

No they persisted with them because they were match winners for them before losing their forms. Please do inform me on how many ODI matches Misbah and YK have won with the bat so we can presist them and hope they come back to form and guide Pakistan to victories again like before. They are nothing but boosting their personal milestones here. Should be sacked asap.

 

[AnasK]

No they persisted with them because they were match winners for them before losing their forms. Please do inform me on how many ODI matches Misbah and YK have won with the bat so we can presist them and hope they come back to form and guide Pakistan to victories again like before. They are nothing but boosting their personal milestones here. Should be sacked asap.

We don't need YK in ODIs. But we need Misbah, regardless of having match-winning ability or not, because we don't have any replacement for him and should be persisted with him only till WC.
After WC, all seniors should be sacked.

 

[Saeed]

Every team prefers seniority than youth currently. In recent past, players like Kallis, Jayawerdena, Tendulkar, Alviro Petersen, Tamim Iqbal, Watson etc etc were persisted despite their lack of form. But still Pakistan needs to drop Younus Khan

Well Pakistani seniors are simply incompetent so lack of form doesn't even come into question. Please never ever mention Kallis and Tendulkar in the same line as Peterson, Tamim and the biggest FTB Jaywardne.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

The only seniors with any decent amount of sincerity in Pak Cricket are Professor, Ajmal and Gul. The rest are the same in mannerisms and mentality

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Every team prefers seniority than youth currently. In recent past, players like Kallis, Jayawerdena, Tendulkar, Alviro Petersen, Tamim Iqbal, Watson etc etc were persisted despite their lack of form. But still Pakistan needs to drop Younus Khan

Kallis left
Mahela stands up on the big occasions and SL gave long runs to thirmanne and Chandimal in the top order, it's not SL's fault they failed
Tendulkar left when he could have used the series against Pak as a perfect send off
Alviro is in the test side due to a shortage of recruits, he lost his spot to Elgar, got it back becuase smith left
Tamin, it's bangladesh ...
Watson was bluntly told he had to perform with bat as ball to remain in the test team, in limited overs he is a gun player

 

[Saeed]

This is what the new chairman said!

"My top priority is to have consistency in all cricketing matters and that's why I will not do any wholesale changes in Pakistan team or team management," Khan told reporters.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket...et-captain-20140820-10624e.html#ixzz3BEeSg1dO

I guess everybody will to tolerate these seniors for sometime.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

To be fair, YK did show intent in his innings and got out while trying to be aggressive. So I think the message to him is very clear. You cannot hang around and waste balls and get a 50 with a S/R of 60.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

To be fair, YK did show intent in his innings and got out while trying to be aggressive. So I think the message to him is very clear. You cannot hang around and waste balls and get a 50 with a S/R of 60.

Well if you want intent who would you pick - sharjeel or YK ?

Only reason he is playing is becuase captain and coaching staff are afraid of another media tantrum

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Well if you want intent who would you pick - sharjeel or YK ?

Only reason he is playing is becuase captain and coaching staff are afraid of another media tantrum

Yes but at the same time YK knows he can no longer play the same kind of cricket of just hanging around, wasting balls and then get out leaving others to score at higher run rate. He didn't waste balls today, showed intent and purpose. This to me suggests he understands some people are upset with him being included in ODIs and he just cannot be in the team as a passenger.

Interesting to see how he will bat in the 2nd ODI.

As for Sharjeel, he will not play as long as YK is in the team. It is as simple as that. That is why it so important to play yourself in just like what Shehzad and Fawad are doing because if you don't you will be dropped from the team without getting an extended run in the team. In the chances he got he did not do that and now he has to sit out. That is the harsh reality if you want to become a permanent member of the Pakistan team.

 

[Mamoon]

Has the Younis 'honorable team man' myth finally busted? or do some people still have their heads buried in the ground?

 

[MMHS]

Culture is established through top down approach. What can one expect when an 80 years old man is made PCB chairman? Shahriar Khan might have watched AH Karder leading a young side like a father figure & Shahriar is a burrocrate, he 'll never break the seniority chain. If he stays, after Misbah, Hafeez, Ajmal & Gul 'll be the Captains, even Malik has a better chance than Shehzad , Maqsood, JK or UAkmal.

My first CEO was a German Engineer, MBA from LBS; 35 years old, left us at 38 to Europe. That fancy guy used to work for 100+hrs/week; fly over 10 hrs/week & still had time to play 18 holes on Saturday & party till 5AM on Thursday night (Friday is start of weekend in BD). His mother tongue was German, hardly have seen better speaking Englishmen, kept house tutor to learn workable Bangla. In 3 years, never found him sick for an hr, never found him late for a minute, never found him under prepared for even the 20th meeting of the day at 9pm & never saw him without smile. He was the junior most CXO, but could instruct the CFO, CMO, CTO & COO instantly.

Now he is in his late 40s, last time I came to know that he has retired from Vodafone & doing his PHD at Cambridge on Corporate Governance. Reason - he felt he was too old to cope with the younger generation who are more adaptive, multidimensional & multi skilled. He wants a peaceful life & end rest of his life studying & teaching.

Our Shahriar Khan has started his career at 81, & helping YK to restart his odi career at 40.

 

[Bouncer]

Hands down the best post I have ever read in a while.

Culture is established through top down approach. What can one expect when an 80 years old man is made PCB chairman? Shahriar Khan might have watched AH Karder leading a young side like a father figure & Shahriar is a burrocrate, he 'll never break the seniority chain. If he stays, after Misbah, Hafeez, Ajmal & Gul 'll be the Captains, even Malik has a better chance than Shehzad , Maqsood, JK or UAkmal.

My first CEO was a German Engineer, MBA from LBS; 35 years old, left us at 38 to Europe. That fancy guy used to work for 100+hrs/week; fly over 10 hrs/week & still had time to play 18 holes on Saturday & party till 5AM on Thursday night (Friday is start of weekend in BD). His mother tongue was German, hardly have seen better speaking Englishmen, kept house tutor to learn workable Bangla. In 3 years, never found him sick for an hr, never found him late for a minute, never found him under prepared for even the 20th meeting of the day at 9pm & never saw him without smile. He was the junior most CXO, but could instruct the CFO, CMO, CTO & COO instantly.

Now he is in his late 40s, last time I came to know that he has retired from Vodafone & doing his PHD at Cambridge on Corporate Governance. Reason - he felt he was too old to cope with the younger generation who are more adaptive, multidimensional & multi skilled. He wants a peaceful life & end rest of his life studying & teaching.

Our Shahriar Khan has started his career at 81, & helping YK to restart his odi career at 40.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I dont see how it is Shahriar Khans fault that YK is in the team. It was Sethi who vetoed him into the team on the back of media pressure following Younis's tantrums. Shahriar if anything has a sour history with Yk after yk pulled that stunt in the 06 champions trophy

 

[Bouncer]

Genius - you don't understand that the guy above me is talking not just about yk-shahriar but he is discussing the attitude that has gone on in pak cricket.

I dont see how it is Shahriar Khans fault that YK is in the team. It was Sethi who vetoed him into the team on the back of media pressure following Younis's tantrums. Shahriar if anything has a sour history with Yk after yk pulled that stunt in the 06 champions trophy

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

Genius - you don't understand that the guy above me is talking not just about yk-shahriar but he is discussing the attitude that has gone on in pak cricket.

really because the line 'What can one expect when an 80 years old man is made PCB chairman' suggests otherwise.

Apart from that i actually agree with what he has to say, its just i dont find the 80 year old diplomatic to be one who has caused this current issue

 

[RehanG]

in few years we will have U Akmal and A Shahzad as senior players... replacing Afridi and Misbah and their fans will continue fighting as they always fight on Misbah v Afridi.

 

[Smbhayi]

Wow just wow.. Its your only 2nd post after registering 2006.. Is it some kinda record [MENTION=6745]DHONI183[/MENTION] ???

 

[MMHS]

[MENTION=57355]pakistanigoneaussie[/MENTION]

Don't go word by word of a philosophical post - I was mimicking about the general culture. Every time an unwanted senior player is tapped into, the common excuse is experience - regardless of that man batting at 3 picking the throat of a fielder on boundary just when you don't need to loose a wicket.

 

[DHONI183]

Is Seniority killing Pakistan Cricket Team?

Having Younis Khan in the team was a good move. It allowed me to tune into other channels to get the updates on the Zardari-Nawaz meeting.

I want to see Fakhar Alam

I don´t think he can play (cricket). He seems to be unsure of his gender too, as the song below of his suggests......

"Mei´n loon leyn challee aa´n, mei´n sabzi leyn challee aa´n.... Meinu tobi pyah bulaanda aey, mei´n tobi kol challee aa´n..... "


[MENTION=39010]Munna[/MENTION] Do you remember the above? I wonder why one would visit a dhobi.....

Wow just wow.. Its your only 2nd post after registering 2006.. Is it some kinda record [MENTION=6745]DHONI183[/MENTION] ???

It depends on where he has been these eight years, only then we can fit the record into sub-categories. "Most years inactive on a forum after marriage" or something along the lines.

 

[Munna]

Having Younis Khan in the team was a good move. It allowed me to tune into other channels to get the updates on the Zardari-Nawaz meeting.



I don´t think he can play (cricket). He seems to be unsure of his gender too, as the song below of his suggests......

"Mei´n loon leyn challee aa´n, mei´n sabzi leyn challee aa´n.... Meinu tobi pyah bulaanda aey, mei´n tobi kol challee aa´n..... "


[MENTION=39010]Munna[/MENTION] Do you remember the above? I wonder why one would visit a dhobi.....



It depends on where he has been these eight years, only then we can fit the record into sub-categories. "Most years inactive on a forum after marriage" or something along the lines.

) What have you reminded me of!!! The guy did quite well commercially with his limited talent or the lack of it in singing. But I wonder what kind of a person visits a tobi after buying sabzi loon? Well, lets not go into much detail actually

Man, those mid-90s times were brilliant

BTW, I don't quite think so he was referring to that Fakhr-e-Alam here

 

[James]

There is no such thing as age.

Only experience.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Age impairs your risk taking ability so it has to be factored in when choosing someone to take over a leadership position.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Nabi Gul hit 5 sixes in one innings against Durham.


Why isn't he sent in to bat after a wicket fell in the 42nd/43rd over ?

Why did they send Adil Amin ?

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Yes big time.

 

[Haz95]

Pakistan cricket is an eptiome of how the entire country runs. Lack of structure and seniors being untouchable.

Reminds me of a famous scene from the movie Matilda