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It’s not Jihad but Jahalat’: Kashmiri villagers

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This is not “jihad” (armed crusade) but “jahalat” (benighted), a village elder pleaded to Pakistani terrorists in North Kashmir’s Hajin area while asking them to release a 12-year-old boy who was held captive and subsequently killed on Thursday.

Videos of the village elder of Mir Mohalla of Hajin surfaced on social media, showing him asking the two Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorists, Ali alias Furkan and Hubaib, to release Atif Mir.

The incident took place 33 km north of Srinagar where the terrorists had taken shelter in the boy’s house at gunpoint, police officials said on Friday.

The terrorists wanted to sexually abuse his sister but the family had helped her escape. This infuriated them and they started beating up the family members, including Atif and his old uncle Hameed Mir, they said. Hearing their cries, other people in the locality informed the police.

After assessing the situation, the police started rescuing the family. They managed to secure the release of the parents and other family members till they were fired upon by the holed up terrorists.

“We knew that the boy and uncle were trapped inside and, so, we asked the villagers to appeal to the terrorists to release them,” a senior official said.

Speaking in Kashmiri, the village head was the first to ask the terrorists to release the innocent boy. “Do whatever you want, but this is not Jihad but Jahalat. Please release the boy,” he said.

The police also made an appeal through Aqeqa Begum, the wife of Hameed, who was virtually breathless as she asked the terrorists to release her husband and nephew.

Simultaneously, the police made a room intervention and brought Hameed out of the house. He told them that he was assaulted by the terrorists who hit him with iron rods and an AK rifle.

“I tried my best to get my nephew out of this. I begged them but they remained unmoved,” Hameed told the police.

As pressure mounted on the terrorists, they killed the helpless Atif, the police said, adding that the security forces later mounted a heightened operation and killed both the Pakistanis.

Ali had been active in the area for long and was involved in the killing of a BSF personnel and others, including death of a man whose throat was slit in front of his son.

Source: https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-...captive/story-tKVhCqEnVmXm3RSezy5c4H_amp.html
 
As we all know Kashmiris are proud Indians and are frustrated with the ongoing cross border terrorism sponsored by Pakistan.
 
If they are so happy being Indian then have a plebiscite to prove Pak wrong, nothing could be simpler. We all know and see that the Pakistani flag is more common in IoK then mainland Pakistan itself so lets not kid ourselves. The dead in IoK are even buried in the sabz-hilaali. If they love being Indian then India would not be so terrified of a simple plebiscite.
 
I agree that it shouldn't be a religious, the Kashmiris should learn from the Irish and the Kurds and create a secular movement for a Kashmiri nation state against India. That's how the bengalis also achieved their independence, this should be about preserving Kashmiriyat from indian influence.
 
Is that why 85% want independance?

Lol. So the 35% odd non muslims and the 5-6% odd shias who are in Leh and the 2-3% odd gujjars and Bakarwals who get into the Indian army on a regular basis want independence?
 
If they are so happy being Indian then have a plebiscite to prove Pak wrong, nothing could be simpler. We all know and see that the Pakistani flag is more common in IoK then mainland Pakistan itself so lets not kid ourselves. The dead in IoK are even buried in the sabz-hilaali. If they love being Indian then India would not be so terrified of a simple plebiscite.

Was there a plebicite in PoK?
 
Was there a plebicite in PoK?

I am happy for there to be one in Pak Kashmir as well although you have to remember India took the case to the UN in the first place. Both sides need to see the others perspective.
 
Wholeheartedly agreed with the village elder.

Kashmiri freedom movement is ordinary at an intellectual level and acts of beghairati like the one mentioned in the OP where militants held a little boy hostage to get away only isolates them further.

There is no real political leadership in Kashmir. The people are very resilient and generally good hearted. They deserve better.

If anyone feels the likes of Burhan Wani are truly the Bhagat Singhs of Kashmiri freedom movement, he/she should really read more and know better.
 
If Pakistanis cannot come over here and condemn such atrocious acts of militants in the valley then there is no point having a debate with such people about what is to be done about Kashmir.

We need your honesty from both sides here.
 
lol @ one village elder or more likely some made up story by Indian media.

Why dont Indians listen to the thousands who have been saying **** for decades?
 
lol @ one village elder or more likely some made up story by Indian media.

Why dont Indians listen to the thousands who have been saying **** for decades?

No, A Kashmiri friend of mine tagged me in this news. It is real, you could search about it. There are videos of the elder man and the boy's mother appealing the militants. Indian atrocities are real and this is real too.
 
No, A Kashmiri friend of mine tagged me in this news. It is real, you could search about it. There are videos of the elder man and the boy's mother appealing the militants. Indian atrocities are real and this is real too.

I wrote its one man or fake news. You say it's real but it's strange Indians will listen to one man but not to tens of thousands? Can you explain why?
 
If anyone feels the likes of Burhan Wani are truly the Bhagat Singhs of Kashmiri freedom movement, he/she should really read more and know better.

The guns and jihad approach might have worked in 80s but it won't work now. Guns are destroying Kashmir and have brought only sorrows to Kashmir. Kashmiris are getting fed up of militant ways. If solutions can come only with dialogues, then there should only be dialogues. No militancy!

With dialogues it might take time, but it's better for everyone involved. #YOLO
 
Not heard of this news from any credible or non-credible source. Seems made up or at the most a one off kind of incident. Indian masses are so naive and gullible and some of them so biased its shameful to say the least. Never seen an Indian creating a thread for the countless atrocities that Indian Army commits in Kashmir. however they see one story like this and post it everywhere.
 
I have researched enough before posting this. I am sure this ain't fake.

You mean like that Indian reporter who interviewed the locals and then literally spoke the opposite to what they were saying???

Look you can research as much as you want the only difference in the reporting will be the degree of fakeness but ultimately it is fake..
Best you spend your time researching other things
 
You mean like that Indian reporter who interviewed the locals and then literally spoke the opposite to what they were saying???

Look you can research as much as you want the only difference in the reporting will be the degree of fakeness but ultimately it is fake..
Best you spend your time researching other things


Maybe you should give a proof how it's fake. Go and do check Kashmiris news channels. I am not here for a propaganda. :-)
 
Not heard of this news from any credible or non-credible source. Seems made up or at the most a one off kind of incident. Indian masses are so naive and gullible and some of them so biased its shameful to say the least. Never seen an Indian creating a thread for the countless atrocities that Indian Army commits in Kashmir. however they see one story like this and post it everywhere.

Really? Maybe check Kashmiri news channels at least. I am against any sorts of atrocities on Innocent people.

As for militants or armed forces, both have guns. I won't call any militant being killed in action as an innocent being killed. You shouldn't justify wrong doings of militants just because it suits your narrative
 
Really? Maybe check Kashmiri news channels at least. I am against any sorts of atrocities on Innocent people.

As for militants or armed forces, both have guns. I won't call any militant being killed in action as an innocent being killed. You shouldn't justify wrong doings of militants just because it suits your narrative

At least more than half a dozen of Pakistani terrorists were killed in Kashmir after Pulwama as per kashmiri media reports but have you seen any of kashmiri members of this forum talking about it ? Majority of them are hypocrites.
 
I agree that it shouldn't be a religious, the Kashmiris should learn from the Irish and the Kurds and create a secular movement for a Kashmiri nation state against India. That's how the bengalis also achieved their independence, this should be about preserving Kashmiriyat from indian influence.

It is about religion...will never be secular.
 
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