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Joe Root has potential to surpass Sachin Tendulkar's Test record, says Geoffrey Boycott

Actually when you consider these two parameters, then pretty much everyone lose to Sachin in the discussion of greatest cricketer of all-time barring Bradman and Sobers.

For example, Imran Khan had maintained top level performance in his career like Sachin Tendulkar made but he loses to Sachin because he was not able to maintain it for a longer period of time like Tendulkar did for India. This is where SRT not only outperforms Anderson but also outperforms Imran Khan and takes the greatest Asian cricketer of all-time recognition. Actually Imran loses to Anderson in the second category as well (both are bowlers also) because Imran in his own era had lesser wickets to all three of his contemporaries - Kapil, Hadlee and Botham.

Longevity takes on less importance when you get in to the realms of around a 17 year career. Anything more is neither here nor there.

The fact someone played 24 years instead of 17 years really makes no difference apart from a pat on the back. So pat on the back little Sachin, well done.
 
It will be tough as it depends on so many factors, Root could retire
 
He might overtake Tendulkar’s tally but he won’t be able to tie Williamson’s shoelaces. [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION]

Well Root is not fit to tie Kane’s shoelaces according to [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] :91:

You can keep making passive aggressive remarks like a 5 year old all you want. Won't really change my opinion.
 
You can keep making passive aggressive remarks like a 5 year old all you want. Won't really change my opinion.

You are mistaken - the point is not to change your opinion, it doesn’t matter and it is irrelevant.

The point is that your opinion is laughably ignorant to the point that it would even offend a 5 year old.
 
You can keep making passive aggressive remarks like a 5 year old all you want. Won't really change my opinion.

The author of the ridiculous statement “Joe Root is not fit to tie Kane Williamson’s shoelaces” should frankly expect a backlash.
 
That's called being once in a lifetime talent with the added benefit of possessing kind of longevity which no one in cricket 's history ever had.

This was what made him special and not his 100th 100 which his haters conveniently ignore.

Sachin main gift was he never got bored of playing cricket and actually would have played longer if he was allowed to but it got so obvious that he was getting too old physically.

It has been obvious in the last 5/6 years that his over all tally of runs are achievable for those who have the talent and want to play long enough Sachin wont be the only one averaging 50 in test cricket but most who could did not have the appetite to keep going after this record.
 
The author of the ridiculous statement “Joe Root is not fit to tie Kane Williamson’s shoelaces” should frankly expect a backlash.

Yeah and I stand by it. Because that's my opinion. Quoting me constantly every time Root scores runs won't change that or distinguish said person from any other run of the mill internet troll.
 
You are mistaken - the point is not to change your opinion, it doesn’t matter and it is irrelevant.

The point is that your opinion is laughably ignorant to the point that it would even offend a 5 year old.

So let me get this straight, you think my opinion is so irrelevant that you are talking about it constantly and making it relevant? how does that work lol?

If I thought someone's opinion was irrelevant I'd ignore it. You know why? Because I thought it was irrelevant.

Do you even think about the things you write before you write them? Or are you just confused about the dictionary definitions of the words you write? Maybe its a bit of both.
 
So let me get this straight, you think my opinion is so irrelevant that you are talking about it constantly and making it relevant? how does that work lol?

If I thought someone's opinion was irrelevant I'd ignore it. You know why? Because I thought it was irrelevant.

Do you even think about the things you write before you write them? Or are you just confused about the dictionary definitions of the words you write? Maybe its a bit of both.

You are mistaken, again.

It is not giving relevance to your opinion; it is about ridiculing and that will continue.

I wish you would follow what you preach. If you thought before you write, you would have never said Root is not fit to tie Williamson’s shoes because you would have known that this is going to come back to haunt you.
 
Yeah and I stand by it. Because that's my opinion. Quoting me constantly every time Root scores runs won't change that or distinguish said person from any other run of the mill internet troll.

This particular opinion of yours is absurd, as Joe Root is the world’s number one ranked Test batsman. If you post opinions that are not backed by the facts, then people will challenge you in reply. This is the nature of internet forum discussion and it won’t change. So I guess reevaluate your view of this one in line with the clear evidence, or prepare for further similar responses from various posters.
 
I don't think Joe root is a little selfish man unlike someone.
He will retire at the right time when he feels done.
That little insecure man can have his patty record to himself.
 
Yeah and I stand by it. Because that's my opinion. Quoting me constantly every time Root scores runs won't change that or distinguish said person from any other run of the mill internet troll.

My opinions change when the evidence changes.

Root has scored seven centuries in his last 14 tests, average 60. Doesn’t read like he should be lacing anyone’s boots for them, except Don Bradman.
 
If Root ends up as second leading run scorer of all-time even with an average below 50, he is an all-time great for me.
 
If Root ends up as second leading run scorer of all-time even with an average below 50, he is an all-time great for me.

What if he becomes the actual leading run scorer which I assume will include an average of 50+. Would you consider him the greatest? I ask since you guys use this longevity and most runs record to prove something about your idol. Will you apply the same judgement to someone who isn’t named Tendulkar?

After that poor little Tendulkar will have lost another dimension of being so called “greatest”.

I’m awaiting the “boo hoo he carried his team for 20 years” jackanory
 
This particular opinion of yours is absurd, as Joe Root is the world’s number one ranked Test batsman. If you post opinions that are not backed by the facts, then people will challenge you in reply. This is the nature of internet forum discussion and it won’t change. So I guess reevaluate your view of this one in line with the clear evidence, or prepare for further similar responses from various posters.

I already said all that I needed to say on this. I am not going to bother repeating myself. I made my points over numerous posts based on facts and figures on the other thread. Not my fault that you just tuned in.

Again, I could care less if you or anyone else think my opinion is absurd. It's my opinion. Take it or leave it. Acting bitter won't change that.

But I would urge you to not assume things unless you have the complete picture. Just about everything I said about Williamson being a better batter than Root on the other thread was backed by stats.

So maybe you should go and look that over before you tell me to not post opinions backed by facts.
 
My opinions change when the evidence changes.

Root has scored seven centuries in his last 14 tests, average 60. Doesn’t read like he should be lacing anyone’s boots for them, except Don Bradman.

As do mine. And when he actually starts winning England some important series and tests outside England than maybe my opinion on him will change. Till then I will see him as a notch below Smith and Williamson.
 
You are mistaken, again.

It is not giving relevance to your opinion; it is about ridiculing and that will continue.

I wish you would follow what you preach. If you thought before you write, you would have never said Root is not fit to tie Williamson’s shoes because you would have known that this is going to come back to haunt you.

Well I am glad that you finally admitted that you are a troll. Because that is exactly what internet trolls do.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The difference between me and you is that I am not an egomaniac who has trouble accepting when he is proven wrong. If Root does surpass Williamson in my eyes I'll happily admit that I was wrong about him. I won't need a troll like you to tag me, I'll do it myself. Because unlike you, I don't write players off completely or say they are street cricketers and will never make it.

But I do think its ironic when you say that you will follow what I preach. Because the way I see it you are a spineless individual who will sooner go quiet or go off the grid when he is proven wrong rather than admit he was proven wrong.

I mean just a couple of months ago you talked at length about how deluded the posters on PP were when they said that Tim David should be picked over Brevis. You talked about how we never saw them bat, how IPL franchises don't care about cheap imitations or "scraps" and how Mumbai that has won so many titles knows better. And what happened? Mumbai finished last, the moment they started selecting David they started winning and you went underground and didn't reply to a single person who called you out for being completely wrong.

So please, keep the sanctimonious B.S to yourself. Anybody who has ever interreacted with you here knows perfectly well that you are full of it. But I assure you that if you keep acting like a troll I will block you. And after that you can keep tagging and quoting ghosts all day long.
 
Must say, the point about Williamson playing innings towards winning causes over Root should count for something.

Up to probably a year ago saying Williamson was better than Root should not have raised any eyebrows especially considering prior to 2021 Root had quite a horrid time and even in the Indian series last he failed to influence games and less said about his captaincy the better.

However, Root has scored a mountain of runs recently so it’s difficult to criticise his batting.

As a captain though I will go along with Root is not fit to tie Williamson’s shoe laces, boot laces or whatever.
 
As do mine. And when he actually starts winning England some important series and tests outside England than maybe my opinion on him will change. Till then I will see him as a notch below Smith and Williamson.

Batsmen don’t win matches, bowlers do.

Smith and Williamson are blessed with stronger bowlers than Root.
 
Batsmen don’t win matches, bowlers do.

Smith and Williamson are blessed with stronger bowlers than Root.

That's an excuse and nothing more.

Batters and bowlers win you matches. And if you want to talk about bowlers, no side in the world has been blessed with two fast-bowlers with the kind of longevity and consistency as Anderson and Broad.

Root has been incredible as of late. But its intellectually dishonest to act like he hasn't been bottling it consistently prior to his recent run of form. He has alot to prove. And as an England fan, you of all people should know that his failures in Australia as well as the fact that he hasn't even scored a century there is a major blot on his resume.
 
What if he becomes the actual leading run scorer which I assume will include an average of 50+. Would you consider him the greatest? I ask since you guys use this longevity and most runs record to prove something about your idol. Will you apply the same judgement to someone who isn’t named Tendulkar?

After that poor little Tendulkar will have lost another dimension of being so called “greatest”.

I’m awaiting the “boo hoo he carried his team for 20 years” jackanory

You're mistaken. We don't consider him what we do because of his longeviety. We consider him for what he is because of how highly he is rated by the cricketing fraternity. When someone of the stature of Donald Bradman and Viv Richards says something like this about Root, we sure will consider him in the same league -

https://youtu.be/HAjg0IbAsmc

https://youtu.be/4lhU_Z6j_Wg
 
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What if he becomes the actual leading run scorer which I assume will include an average of 50+. Would you consider him the greatest? I ask since you guys use this longevity and most runs record to prove something about your idol. Will you apply the same judgement to someone who isn’t named Tendulkar?

After that poor little Tendulkar will have lost another dimension of being so called “greatest”.

I’m awaiting the “boo hoo he carried his team for 20 years” jackanory

And as for our idol, don't you think it's better idolizing a player of the stature of Sachin Tendulkar who has achieved more acclaims, accolades and plaudits just behind Bradman, and maybe on par with Sobers and Viv, instead of idolizing a serial choker against his arch rivals in World Cups?
 
What if he becomes the actual leading run scorer which I assume will include an average of 50+. Would you consider him the greatest? I ask since you guys use this longevity and most runs record to prove something about your idol. Will you apply the same judgement to someone who isn’t named Tendulkar?

After that poor little Tendulkar will have lost another dimension of being so called “greatest”.

I’m awaiting the “boo hoo he carried his team for 20 years” jackanory

What an illogical post this is. SRT is the greatest Asian cricketer and that is down to hundreds of factor.

Pakistan, however, don't have a single batsman who stands up even in one of them, that's a reality. I wish one day they produce a batsman of equivalence of Joe Root, let alone Tendulkar, so that their fans aren't so obsessed with the record of their nemesis and have something in their sleeves to care about. At the moment, it doesn't looks like any :hasan
 
What an illogical post this is. SRT is the greatest Asian cricketer and that is down to hundreds of factor.

Pakistan, however, don't have a single batsman who stands up even in one of them, that's a reality. I wish one day they produce a batsman of equivalence of Joe Root, let alone Tendulkar, so that their fans aren't so obsessed with the record of their nemesis and have something in their sleeves to care about. At the moment, it doesn't looks like any :hasan

Their greatest batsman averages 29 against the best team of his era, the West Indies. Case closed!
 
I think comparing Root to Tendulkar is unfair because the two are from two different eras.

Both Root and Tendulkar are ATGs.
 
That's an excuse and nothing more.

Batters and bowlers win you matches. And if you want to talk about bowlers, no side in the world has been blessed with two fast-bowlers with the kind of longevity and consistency as Anderson and Broad.

No, that’s just the truth. Batsmen don’t win matches. They draw matches.
 
Their greatest batsman averages 29 against the best team of his era, the West Indies. Case closed!


Dravid averages 33 against SA and 38 against Australia, that does not make him a poor batsman. Heck even Tendulkar averages 42 against Pakistan and SA, of which against Pakistan he only marginally crossed the 40 threshold towards the end of his career especially once Pakistan's bowling attack suffered.

Your argument is poor because almost every batsman has a bogey team and a bogey bowler or two!
 
What an illogical post this is. SRT is the greatest Asian cricketer and that is down to hundreds of factor.

Pakistan, however, don't have a single batsman who stands up even in one of them, that's a reality. I wish one day they produce a batsman of equivalence of Joe Root, let alone Tendulkar, so that their fans aren't so obsessed with the record of their nemesis and have something in their sleeves to care about. At the moment, it doesn't looks like any :hasan

Name me the hundreds of factors and we’ll see if those factors are valid. In fact, to save us some time, name your top 10 factors and I’m pretty sure they can be batted off quite easily removing the need for the rest.

Boo hoo he carried his nation sob stories don’t count.
 
Dravid averages 33 against SA and 38 against Australia, that does not make him a poor batsman. Heck even Tendulkar averages 42 against Pakistan and SA, of which against Pakistan he only marginally crossed the 40 threshold towards the end of his career especially once Pakistan's bowling attack suffered.

Your argument is poor because almost every batsman has a bogey team and a bogey bowler or two!

And everyone has a favourite team they like to bash. Tendulkar’s being bangladesh average of 136. If remove his record against bangla and zimbos it stacks up pretty poorly!
 
That's more to do with your bowlers, not batsmen.

So what you mean is it’s better to have better bowlers than batsmen. I’d go along with that. Batsmen really should have no standing in ATG cricketer discussions
 
Dravid averages 33 against SA and 38 against Australia, that does not make him a poor batsman. Heck even Tendulkar averages 42 against Pakistan and SA, of which against Pakistan he only marginally crossed the 40 threshold towards the end of his career especially once Pakistan's bowling attack suffered.

Your argument is poor because almost every batsman has a bogey team and a bogey bowler or two!

There is a difference between averaging 29, and averaging 42. An average of 42 is considered good. The Aussies were the best team of Tendulkar’s era by a long, long way. Have a look at his numbers against them.
 
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There is a difference between averaging 29, and averaging 42. An average of 42 is considered good. The Aussies were the best team of Tendulkar’s era by a long, long way. Have a look at his numbers against them.

It’s about quality of runs. E.g. Miandad made 114 IN West Indies in in a relatively low scoring game in a winning cause in 1988

Tendulkar made 241 not out against Australia in Sydney in a high scoring game in a bore draw. Pointless runs.

Who’s average is higher in these innings? Tendulkar. Who’s innings would you take? Javed hands down.

Tendulkar was a master. The master of pointless and stat padding runs.

Moreover it was Laxman and Dravid who played the more impactful knocks against Australia in that period. They should be the real Indian heroes.

Put some context around your stats and they would have more meaning. If you can’t, don’t mention them.
 
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It’s about quality of runs. E.g. Miandad made 114 IN West Indies in in a relatively low scoring game in a winning cause in 1988

Tendulkar made 241 not out against Australia in Sydney in a high scoring game in a bore draw. Pointless runs.

Who’s average is higher in these innings? Tendulkar. Who’s innings would you take? Javed hands down.

Tendulkar was a master. The master of pointless and stat padding runs.

Moreover it was Laxman and Dravid who played the more impactful knocks against Australia in that period. They should be the real Indian heroes.

Put some context around your stats and they would have more meaning. If you can’t, don’t mention them.

Errr, how come it's only sore Pakistani fans who can see it? Why doesn't the rest of the world sees it? I've never heard one ex player or cricket analyist (non Pak ones) say something along those lines. Forget Pakistani fans, even Pakistani ex cricketers have been found singing his praises. Hanif Mohammad rated him better than Bradman. So my question is, if what you say is true, why is the rest of the world blind towards it? Could it be that it's you who can't digest that he is so highly rated by the cricketing fraternity? Yes, that's the truth.

With regards to the innings of Miandad you mentioned, you forgot that Holding, Roberts and Garner had all retired by then. And that particular innings came when even Marshall didn't play that Test. That's the quality of that innings :)))
 
Errr, how come it's only sore Pakistani fans who can see it? Why doesn't the rest of the world sees it? I've never heard one ex player or cricket analyist (non Pak ones) say something along those lines. Forget Pakistani fans, even Pakistani ex cricketers have been found singing his praises. Hanif Mohammad rated him better than Bradman. So my question is, if what you say is true, why is the rest of the world blind towards it? Could it be that it's you who can't digest that he is so highly rated by the cricketing fraternity? Yes, that's the truth.

With regards to the innings of Miandad you mentioned, you forgot that Holding, Roberts and Garner had all retired by then. And that particular innings came when even Marshall didn't play that Test. That's the quality of that innings :)))

It was one of your own that started the whole debate about Tendulkar’s devalued runs when Gavaskar in 2001 said that he would rather have Steve Waugh in his team rather than Tendulkar because Steve Waugh scored tough runs as opposed to Tendulkar’s soft runs.

So factor that in to your “cricketing fraternity”.

Miandad’s innings was still great because it was a century in a low scoring game in the Caribbean which was a graveyard for batsmen in the 80s and Marshall wasn’t playing but two ATGs Ambrose, Walsh were still playing. Not only that, they also had the fastest bowler in the world in Patrick Patterson playing.

Little Tendulkar made his pointless 241* against an attack without Warne and Mcgrath!
 
It was one of your own that started the whole debate about Tendulkar’s devalued runs when Gavaskar in 2001 said that he would rather have Steve Waugh in his team rather than Tendulkar because Steve Waugh scored tough runs as opposed to Tendulkar’s soft runs.

So factor that in to your “cricketing fraternity”.

Miandad’s innings was still great because it was a century in a low scoring game in the Caribbean which was a graveyard for batsmen in the 80s and Marshall wasn’t playing but two ATGs Ambrose, Walsh were still playing. Not only that, they also had the fastest bowler in the world in Patrick Patterson playing.

Little Tendulkar made his pointless 241* against an attack without Warne and Mcgrath!

Where to begin!! Gavaskar never said something like that. If he did, show a link to it. Miandad's innings was an average one because neither one of Ambrose and Walsh were at that time what they became a few years later. Ambrose was a newbie back then. By the way, what took him so long to score a century against the West Indies? Why couldn't he do it before when they had the quartet? You know the reason just as well as the rest of the world does. An average of 29 against the West Indies tells everything that needs to be known.

And who is speaking of Tendulkar's 241* here? I never mentioned it, nor did I call it a great innings. He made his point as an 18 year old when India toured Australia by scoring 2 centuries there. Richie Benaud always rated his 118 at Perth in that tour as the finest innings in Australia played by a non Aussie. That's called talent, ability and respect which some players never receive.
 
It was one of your own that started the whole debate about Tendulkar’s devalued runs when Gavaskar in 2001 said that he would rather have Steve Waugh in his team rather than Tendulkar because Steve Waugh scored tough runs as opposed to Tendulkar’s soft runs.

So factor that in to your “cricketing fraternity”.

Miandad’s innings was still great because it was a century in a low scoring game in the Caribbean which was a graveyard for batsmen in the 80s and Marshall wasn’t playing but two ATGs Ambrose, Walsh were still playing. Not only that, they also had the fastest bowler in the world in Patrick Patterson playing.

Little Tendulkar made his pointless 241* against an attack without Warne and Mcgrath!

And it's supremely dumb of me that I'm arguing with someone who thinks Shoaib Akhtar is a legend. That itself tells me about your intellect.
 
It was one of your own that started the whole debate about Tendulkar’s devalued runs when Gavaskar in 2001 said that he would rather have Steve Waugh in his team rather than Tendulkar because Steve Waugh scored tough runs as opposed to Tendulkar’s soft runs.

So factor that in to your “cricketing fraternity”.

Miandad’s innings was still great because it was a century in a low scoring game in the Caribbean which was a graveyard for batsmen in the 80s and Marshall wasn’t playing but two ATGs Ambrose, Walsh were still playing. Not only that, they also had the fastest bowler in the world in Patrick Patterson playing.

Little Tendulkar made his pointless 241* against an attack without Warne and Mcgrath!

Actually that knock came in a series decider of India's tour of Australia 2003. That alone makes the relevance of the knock very high. It was a series decider and we were very close to winning the series against that Australian team had we taken those 20 wickets but Australia's batting lineup themselves was an ATG one.

However, what seperates Tendulkar with Miandad is that unlike Miandad, Tendulkar has half a dozen such knocks vs Australia whether we point to his 1992 century at Perth or 1999 century vs McGrath and Warne or his 155 and 126 at home vs McGrath and Warne.

Actually, your suggestion that it was a pointless knock tells us how much relevance your own opinion should be given to. It is hillarious actually because Babar's 196 came at home on a flat deck vs the present Australian team but was not good enough to save a home series loss is considered greatest knock he has played in tests by you guys. :jofra
 
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Actually that knock came in a series decider of India's tour of Australia 2003. That alone makes the relevance of the knock very high. It was a series decider and we were very close to winning the series against that Australian team had we taken those 20 wickets but Australia's batting lineup themselves was an ATG one.

However, what seperates Tendulkar with Miandad is that unlike Miandad, Tendulkar has half a dozen such knocks vs Australia whether we point to his 1992 century at Perth or 1999 century vs McGrath and Warne or his 155 and 126 at home vs McGrath and Warne.

Actually, your suggestion that it was a pointless knock tells us how much relevance your own opinion should be given to. It is hillarious actually because Babar's 196 came at home on a flat deck vs the present Australian team but was not good enough to save a home series loss is considered greatest knock he has played in tests by you guys. :jofra

Who’s talking about Babar’s knock? I never said I rated it.

The relevance of tendi’s knock was that it was all square going in to the match and a series victory was there for the taking with Mcgrath and Warne absent. And Tendulkar’s selfish knock set the match up beautifully for a draw. Even poor Parthiv Patel tried to up the tempo but selfish Sachin just played for his average.

None of those knocks vs Aus resulted in a victory like Laxman and Dravid. So ultimately another stat padding venture by the vertically challenged one.

Enough of this whataboutism. Name me your hundreds of factors (or even the top 10). Waiting……
 
Who’s talking about Babar’s knock? I never said I rated it.

The relevance of tendi’s knock was that it was all square going in to the match and a series victory was there for the taking with Mcgrath and Warne absent. And Tendulkar’s selfish knock set the match up beautifully for a draw. Even poor Parthiv Patel tried to up the tempo but selfish Sachin just played for his average.

None of those knocks vs Aus resulted in a victory like Laxman and Dravid. So ultimately another stat padding venture by the vertically challenged one.

<B>Enough of this whataboutism</B>. Name me your hundreds of factors (or even the top 10). Waiting……

So,now that you got a reality check, you are running away :yk

This is not a one day international game that now you are linking those runs with the strike rate and in case if you haven't watched that game, let me tell you that it was the first inning and not fourth inning of the test match so not sure how strike rate matters.

As for the strength of that Australian team, that team had the greatest batting lineup of all-time. It had four ATGs in one team- Hayden( ATG opener), Ponting, Steve Waugh and Gilchrist.

Pakistan on other hand got smacked recently by home bullies- David Warner and Labuschagne of all.
 
I guess some people really did start watching cricket yesterday if they are seriously comparing Root to Tendulkar now. You have to be born yesterday to even make that comparison.
 
So,now that you got a reality check, you are running away :yk

This is not a one day international game that now you are linking those runs with the strike rate and in case if you haven't watched that game, let me tell you that it was the first inning and not fourth inning of the test match so not sure how strike rate matters.

As for the strength of that Australian team, that team had the greatest batting lineup of all-time. It had four ATGs in one team- Hayden( ATG opener), Ponting, Steve Waugh and Gilchrist.

Pakistan on other hand got smacked recently by home bullies- David Warner and Labuschagne of all.

Who’s running away? I’m waiting for your hundreds of factors.

And more whataboutism. Who’s talking about the current pak team?
 
Root still needs to go a long way to be put in the bracket of ATGs, let alone be compared with one of the top-2 test batsmen ever.
 
Who’s running away? I’m waiting for your hundreds of factors.

And more whataboutism. Who’s talking about the current pak team?

Your inability to explain how that knock was pointless is basically the point here.

It was a decider of the series and a batter's job is to score runs and setup a win for his team. Tendulkar scored 241* and setup the game for us. That's the definion of precious runs. Now, the Australian batting lineup was great too and them being good enough to save the test match in final inning shouldn't take away what SRT did with the bat in first inning. That was an important game and he proved his worth by scoring runs. That's all you can do as batsman.

As for the hundreds of the factors, sorry I don't really feel the relevance of wasting my time on this anymore as you would obviously come up with your fantasy world stories to make an argument against that.
 
Your inability to explain how that knock was pointless is basically the point here.

It was a decider of the series and a batter's job is to score runs and setup a win for his team. Tendulkar scored 241* and setup the game for us. That's the definion of precious runs. Now, the Australian batting lineup was great too and them being good enough to save the test match in final inning shouldn't take away what SRT did with the bat in first inning. That was an important game and he proved his worth by scoring runs. That's all you can do as batsman.

As for the hundreds of the factors, sorry I don't really feel the relevance of wasting my time on this anymore as you would obviously come up with your fantasy world stories to make an argument against that.

How many runs do you need? When you’re going for a victory, do you really need 700 runs on the board. I can imagine even the Indian dressing room were performing eye-rolls at SRT. They were too scared then to declare but Dravid showed their thinking by declaring with him on 194 against Pakistan a few months later.

His selfishness denied them a chance to go for victory by batting on and on…

You won’t name your hundreds of factors because you know I will shoot them down. It’s ok, no harm admitting defeat
 
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Who’s talking about Babar’s knock? I never said I rated it.

The relevance of tendi’s knock was that it was all square going in to the match and a series victory was there for the taking with Mcgrath and Warne absent. And Tendulkar’s selfish knock set the match up beautifully for a draw. Even poor Parthiv Patel tried to up the tempo but selfish Sachin just played for his average.

None of those knocks vs Aus resulted in a victory like Laxman and Dravid. So ultimately another stat padding venture by the vertically challenged one.

Enough of this whataboutism. Name me your hundreds of factors (or even the top 10). Waiting……

So those masterful innings played by him in Australia in 1992, and 1999 were stats padding because they didn't result in victories? Really?

So then what about your hero Waqar Younis's bowling performance against the West Indies from 1990 till the end of 1994 that you keep boasting about? Here are his numbers from 1st Jan, 1990 till 31st Dec, 1994 in the West Indies -

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

In how many of those 3 Tests played by Pakistan during that period in West Indies could he help his team win? Surely those were cheap, meaningless wickets right?

Coming back to the point, how exactly is a batsman supposed to win a Test match? I mean what are the circumstances under his control? What can he do apart from score runs in the toughest of conditions away from home? Is he supposed to help his team take the 20 opposition wickets as well?
 
So those masterful innings played by him in Australia in 1992, and 1999 were stats padding because they didn't result in victories? Really?

So then what about your hero Waqar Younis's bowling performance against the West Indies from 1990 till the end of 1994 that you keep boasting about? Here are his numbers from 1st Jan, 1990 till 31st Dec, 1994 in the West Indies -

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...0;spanval1=span;template=results;type=bowling

In how many of those 3 Tests played by Pakistan during that period in West Indies could he help his team win? Surely those were cheap, meaningless wickets right?

Coming back to the point, how exactly is a batsman supposed to win a Test match? I mean what are the circumstances under his control? What can he do apart from score runs in the toughest of conditions away from home? Is he supposed to help his team take the 20 opposition wickets as well?

More whataboutism. This thread is not about Waqar!

Make your point about your Batsman without randomly mentioning the record of a bowler of all people!
 
More whataboutism. This thread is not about Waqar!

Make your point about your Batsman without randomly mentioning the record of a bowler of all people!

As expected, no answer to my question. This thread wasn’t about Dravid and Laxman either, yet you had no problem in bringing them up.

Try answering my question if you have the guts.
 
As expected, no answer to my question. This thread wasn’t about Dravid and Laxman either, yet you had no problem in bringing them up.

Try answering my question if you have the guts.

What is this the playground? You are trying to prove something about Tendulkar. If he’s so great, you don’t need to mention anyone else. If you need to put down Waqar to do it that just means you have a weak argument.
 
What is this the playground? You are trying to prove something about Tendulkar. If he’s so great, you don’t need to mention anyone else. If you need to put down Waqar to do it that just means you have a weak argument.

I’m not putting down Waqar at all. I’m using your own logic to prove how flawed your argument is. You are of the opinion that Tendulkar’s masterful centuries in Australia in 92’ and 99’ are stats padding because they didn’t result in his team’s victory.

I used the same logic on your hero. You are the one who keep boasting about Waqar’s record against the West Indies till the end of 94’. How many matches did he help his team win in the West Indies during that period?

It’s obvious that you are now trapped and have no ways to counter me.

Always remember, it’s easy to belittle or make fun of someone you have no love for. But when the shoe is on the other foot, your try to rationalize it, or make excuses, or simply chose to ignore it. Your condition is the same.
 
I’m not putting down Waqar at all. I’m using your own logic to prove how flawed your argument is. You are of the opinion that Tendulkar’s masterful centuries in Australia in 92’ and 99’ are stats padding because they didn’t result in his team’s victory.

I used the same logic on your hero. You are the one who keep boasting about Waqar’s record against the West Indies till the end of 94’. How many matches did he help his team win in the West Indies during that period?

It’s obvious that you are now trapped and have no ways to counter me.

Always remember, it’s easy to belittle or make fun of someone you have no love for. But when the shoe is on the other foot, your try to rationalize it, or make excuses, or simply chose to ignore it. Your condition is the same.

I’m not singing about waqar’s record vs West Indies, but since people ask the question, his record is pretty good against the best side of his era. However, it will have an asterisk next to it as they lost in 1993. He had a great 1st test in 1990/91 against them where he took 9 wickets in the match and Pakistan won. Even though he had a bucketful of wickets in the other matches they will not be looked upon as fondly.

I don’t know why that was needed but there you have it.

Now - I want you to put the same asterisk next to Tendulkar’s innings? Will you, or carry on your hero worship?

The difference here is I’ve never claimed Waqar was the undisputed greatest bowler ever. He’s one of my favourites, not the greatest. That’s the difference.

However you have claimed SRT as the greatest. So prove it - and don’t give me no rubbish about “cricketing fraternity”.

You can’t prove it by stats, or average or matchwinning performances. All you talk about is someone said something in some list. Or some player said he liked watching him play.

That’s a cop out because you can’t prove it any other way from his performances. You know if you talk about performances they will be shot down so if you have to bring up all this nonsense.
 
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I’m not singing about waqar’s record vs West Indies, but since people ask the question, his record is pretty good against the best side of his era. However, it will have an asterisk next to it as they lost in 1993. He had a great 1st test in 1990/91 against them where he took 9 wickets in the match and Pakistan won. Even though he had a bucketful of wickets in the other matches they will not be looked upon as fondly.

I don’t know why that was needed but there you have it.

Now - I want you to put the same asterisk next to Tendulkar’s innings? Will you, or carry on your hero worship?

The difference here is I’ve never claimed Waqar was the undisputed greatest bowler ever. He’s one of my favourites, not the greatest. That’s the difference.

However you have claimed SRT as the greatest. So prove it - and don’t give me no rubbish about “cricketing fraternity”.

You can’t prove it by stats, or average or matchwinning performances. All you talk about is someone said something in some list. Or some player said he liked watching him play.

That’s a cop out because you can’t prove it any other way from his performances. You know if you talk about performances they will be shot down so if you have to bring up all this nonsense.

:)) So after singing bhajans all your life about how well Waqar did against the West Indies in his prime, you are now forced to put an asterisk against it because you have no other option. You even used his performance against the West Indies during that period to cover up his chokes against Australia all his career.

And why on earth should I not bring up the accolades and critical acclaims Sachin has received from the entire cricketing fraternity? The reason it’s nonsense to you is because it hurts you. It’s because your hero hasn’t even received even 0.000000001% of that. A cricketer is rated based on his career records and on how highly his peers rate him. Dennis Lillee is rated by almost everyone who saw him as the greatest fast bowler of his time, even by your own Imran Khan. That’s what makes him the greatest.

And what performance you are speaking of? Almost every great player apart from Bradman have had holes in their career. Sachin came in 1989, and he too is someone who doesn’t have a single hole in his career. He averages above 40 in and against every nation. Even Sobers and Viv have holes in their career, but not Sachin. That’s the reason why you have to bring in victories in the equation, because you know a player has no control over it, and it’s the only option left for you to save face.

Now listen, you can keep arguing all you want, the next time another World XI or a list of greatest cricketers come up, once again Sachin will feature at the top. You know it just as well as I do. All you’ll be left up with is, “ I’ll kick out Sachin, and include X,Y,Z”. Afterall that’s what you’ve always done because you have no other option left.

Lastly, you are a fan of a disgraceful match fixer life Saleem Malik. You leave no stones unturned to defend him. You have the face and audacity to criticize a player who made it to WISDEN’s All Time World XI?
 
:)) So after singing bhajans all your life about how well Waqar did against the West Indies in his prime, you are now forced to put an asterisk against it because you have no other option. You even used his performance against the West Indies during that period to cover up his chokes against Australia all his career.

And why on earth should I not bring up the accolades and critical acclaims Sachin has received from the entire cricketing fraternity? The reason it’s nonsense to you is because it hurts you. It’s because your hero hasn’t even received even 0.000000001% of that. A cricketer is rated based on his career records and on how highly his peers rate him. Dennis Lillee is rated by almost everyone who saw him as the greatest fast bowler of his time, even by your own Imran Khan. That’s what makes him the greatest.

And what performance you are speaking of? Almost every great player apart from Bradman have had holes in their career. Sachin came in 1989, and he too is someone who doesn’t have a single hole in his career. He averages above 40 in and against every nation. Even Sobers and Viv have holes in their career, but not Sachin. That’s the reason why you have to bring in victories in the equation, because you know a player has no control over it, and it’s the only option left for you to save face.

Now listen, you can keep arguing all you want, the next time another World XI or a list of greatest cricketers come up, once again Sachin will feature at the top. You know it just as well as I do. All you’ll be left up with is, “ I’ll kick out Sachin, and include X,Y,Z”. Afterall that’s what you’ve always done because you have no other option left.

Lastly, you are a fan of a disgraceful match fixer life Saleem Malik. You leave no stones unturned to defend him. You have the face and audacity to criticize a player who made it to WISDEN’s All Time World XI?

What is a bhajan? You’re on a Pakistan cricket forum, we don’t understand that type of Indian slang. It might be quite offensive. Moderators please ensure this is not a swear word.

Heartfelt post there - I’ll get the violins out. Seems like I touched a nerve. And why are you so obsessed with Waqar on every discussion. This thread is about Root and Tendulkar.

Do you live for every World XI being released? It reeks of a kid who never got selected for his cricket / football team and waited in vain for the team sheet to be released. You seem to be making up for it be acting with glee every time your hero is on it. I’m very sorry you experienced this as a kid, but I’m sorry I’m not your shrink. Go and cry about it somewhere else.

And as for tendi not having holes in his career - I’ve highlighted many. Since you know so much about my posts. Go and look them up. If you bring them, up I might even give you my autograph.

And Salim Malik. What a player. Shane Warne who? All the Indians were doing handstands when Tendulkar played a half decent knock against Warne in the late 90s. Salim swatted warne away many years earlier! That’s what’s called masterful batting - as boycott said “It’s like he was batting with a stick of rhubarb”. Superb player. Classy player.
 
This post has deviated far from origianal topic. Let's stick to whether Root can cross Tendulkar's run tally or not. I for one don't believe he can. Not because Root will lose form, but because how difficult it is to continue after playing X number of games. Tendular's greatest attribute is unmatched longevity, i don't think anybody will match that anytime soon
 
46 test wickets also for Joe Root, levelled SRT's test matches wicket tally.
 
Think this is definitely gettable for Root.

SRT — not so sure.

I agree.

Root will score around 1.5k runs per calendar year meaning he could surpass/be in touching distance of Ponting in 2 years time. He may then decide to go after Tendulkar.

Sachinistas may be worried at this point.
 
Root has already played 120 tests, no idea how long he might want to stick around. He doesn't have much more to achieve in his career
 
Root has already played 120 tests, no idea how long he might want to stick around. He doesn't have much more to achieve in his career

Depends on his hunger for runs and if he is enjoying the team setup. Certainly seems to be loving it all at the moment. We will see what happens over the next 2-3 years.
 
I’m not singing about waqar’s record vs West Indies, but since people ask the question, his record is pretty good against the best side of his era.

The best team in Waqar's era was Australia.

Against them he avgs like 34, what in the world are you on about ?
 
If joe root gets selfish just like that little man Sachin's Tendulkar or whatever his name is got selfish he will for sure break that record but even if he doesn't get selfish he still can play 4-5 years and he can still go for that record

It would be so amazing to see Joe root breaking that little man's(little heart) record.
 
If joe root gets selfish just like that little man Sachin's Tendulkar or whatever his name is got selfish he will for sure break that record but even if he doesn't get selfish he still can play 4-5 years and he can still go for that record

It would be so amazing to see Joe root breaking that little man's(little heart) record.


So you think being selfish is amazing huh, that's some logic right there lol..
 
Root will definitely surpass Ponting's run tally and end up as second leading run scorer. For Indian and English fans, nothing will change. We will appreciate Joe Root the batsman either way.

However, it would be a massive heartbreak for Pakistani fans. Looks like they have kept all their hopes from Joe Root now.
 
Root will definitely surpass Ponting's run tally and end up as second leading run scorer. For Indian and English fans, nothing will change. We will appreciate Joe Root the batsman either way.

However, it would be a massive heartbreak for Pakistani fans. Looks like they have kept all their hopes from Joe Root now.

“Kept their hopes from JR” in doing what?
Breaking ST’s record?

Did you notice, the first world cricketers usually don’t play for records and neither do they have any frantic obsession with it?

Tendulkar played test cricket for 23 YEARS - These English batsmen are not that “Faarigh”. They usually play for about a decade and move on with their lives because they think they have better things to enjoy life as their age progresses.
In a couple of years, JR will exit out with grace.


It will be a shame if he sticks around and keep playing just to “break a record”. This obsession with records in cricket is generally a third class mentality from a third world player who tends to find some solace to cover that unconscious inferiority complex.

These first world cricketers usually have a natural class, they don’t thump their chest about “having a record” to brag that they are better.
 
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It's been almost a decade since the great man's retirement but still Pakistanis' obsessive hatred of him hasn't died down even a bit.

You've got to be blinded by extreme bitterness if you think SRT carried on for too long. He was India's top scorer in the 2011 WC (a year before bis retirement) and was also ICC no.1 ranked batsman in Tests. Maybe it's the realization that they have and may never produce a batsman of his caliber?
 
“Kept their hopes from JR” in doing what?
Breaking ST’s record?

Did you notice, the first world cricketers usually don’t play for records and neither do they have any frantic obsession with it?

<B>Tendulkar played test cricket for 23 YEARS - These English batsmen are not that “Faarigh”. They usually play for about a decade and move on with their lives because they think they have better things to enjoy life as their age progresses.</B>
In a couple of years, JR will exit out with grace.


It will be a shame if he sticks around and keep playing just to “break a record”. This obsession with records in cricket is generally a third class mentality from a third world player who tends to find some solace to cover that unconscious inferiority complex.

These first world cricketers usually have a natural class, they don’t thump their chest about “having a record” to brag that they are better.

Same thing being repeated over and again in the same thread, it is hillarious to hear it now. Are you really sure about it? Are James Anderson and Stuart Broad not England players? What is that one better thing which England players do in their life that stops then from playing test cricket after a decade which unfortunately the two leading England wicket takers, Anderson and Broad, don't know? And actually it is the Pakistanis that know this :inzi2

Anderson has been playing cricket from almost two decades now, still eyeing for that 700 test wicket record. Is he also a FARIGH still playing cricket for 20 years and chasing Warne's record? Broad is still chasing McGrath record? Damn! Just get over your hatred, FGS! :inti
 
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Looking at it at face value. Root has been in monumental form for the last 2 years. Apart from this throwaway comment from Boycs, the most runs record hasn’t really come up in discussion by Root himself or any of the media.

Why? Because the most runs record doesn’t really mean much. I don’t even think it’s on Root’s mind.

If he stays in good form and breaks it all good, but if he doesn’t I don’t think he’ll be losing any sleep over it nor would anyone else.
 
It's been almost a decade since the great man's retirement but still Pakistanis' obsessive hatred of him hasn't died down even a bit.

You've got to be blinded by extreme bitterness if you think SRT carried on for too long. He was India's top scorer in the 2011 WC (a year before bis retirement) and was also ICC no.1 ranked batsman in Tests. Maybe it's the realization that they have and may never produce a batsman of his caliber?
Spot on. This is just their jealousy which is getting better of them.
 
You gotta love the way these people become spokespersons of English players. Or mind read them what they want.
 
First they pinned their hopes on Lara, then Inzi, Ponting, Sanga, Cook, Smith and now Root.... The list keeps growing.

Alas, none of them are good enough.
 
People who are dismissive of Tendulkar’s longevity and think it is just a matter of playing more completely miss the point.

The point is that there is a reason why Tendulkar played more. He played his last Test at 38-39 which is not unusual, but what sets him apart is that he played 56 Test matches before his 20th birthday.

It is completely unusual for a teenage to be good enough to represent his country in Test cricket over 50 times during his teens.

No batsman stands a chance of breaking his record unless he is an ATG and also Test class in his teens.

Both Cook and Root made their Test debuts at 22. Tendulkar made his debut at 16. That is where the difference lies.

England didn’t hold them back, they weren’t ready. It is not their fault, it is just that Tendulkar was a freak. He was smashing Sir Richard Hadlee on a green top at 16 and averaging 40+ in Australia at 17-18.
 
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