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Jonny Bairstow and Joe Root comparison thread

Bairstow is not good, he's great and better than both.

He has the potential but he has just started off in odis. Remember when Amla started off around same age as Bairstow, at one point, he was averaging 58 at SR 95. Ofcourse, Bairstow is much more dynamic while Amla was one-gear. Let Johnny play atleast 100 odis.

He does an easy job of opening the inning in ODI where it is mostly boom boom on flat pitches. Doesn't have to bat depending on match situation like Root and Buttler does.

His performance against spin is quite susceptible IMO. He averaged 22 in the UAE series and 40 on really flat Indian wickets as well.
 
You're honestly so lame, lol. The match was over when India posted 256 and Bairstow crushed any hope they had in the first 5 overs.

Back to the nonsense you posted about Root being more gifted. Lol, dude is one-dimensional as it gets. Absolutely no comparison with Bairstow averaging 50 at 100+.

The game was not over after Bairstow's 30 odd runs. A couple of wickets from the spinners could have opened the floodgates.

Root is the best batsman in the world when it comes to playing on any surface in any conditions. Bairstow needs more time and performances before he can be called better.
 
OP should stick to the mechanics of fast bowling.:P Buttler is more talented and wipes the floor with both. :viv
 
Butler does not have a compact technique like Bairstow while the latter can tear apart the opposition just as easily.


Perhaps. but in that Leeds test, bairstow was struggling against pakistani bowlers while Buttler was easily the most fluent batsman. Also at Trent Bridge when Kuldeep was bowling superbly, Buttler looked the only batsman capable of handling him while Bairstow struggled.
 
As I said in another thread few weeks back, Root will prove his class in the Indian ODI series.

Big players perform in big series. He is a master batsman unlike Bairstow, who is wonderful himself. However, Root is a player who will come good in any conditions against any bowling attack when he is at his best.

The best ODI batsman in the world after Kohli.
 
Remember, given how tight a game Edgbaston was, that Root’s 80 in the first Test was even more vital than Bairstow’s 90 in this one.

Bairstow is a very good batsman, but Root averages 50+ in both major formats, so let’s not get too carried away.
 
Remember, given how tight a game Edgbaston was, that Root’s 80 in the first Test was even more vital than Bairstow’s 90 in this one.

Bairstow is a very good batsman, but Root averages 50+ in both major formats, so let’s not get too carried away.

Root scored 94, Bairstow scored 98 in that game.
 
Really dislike this thread. Both are good batsmen, it's pointless to bump this everytime either scores a good innings. It's not like both batsmen are rivals or competitiors in any way. Both have their own unique roles which are complementary.
 
Despite Root being a very good player, I have never really rated Root to be an elite player. He's on the level of Inzamam/Dravid/Jayawardene. Nothing more. Right now Bairstow is the rock of this England team and should be batting at 4. Root should remain at number 3.
 
England main performers in the first tests were Sam Curran, Ben Stokes and Joe Root.

England main performers in second test till now have been James Anderson and Chris Woakes.
 
Curran, Buttler, Root and Cook have comfortably outperformed him with the bat this series. I don't think bairstow is good enough to play as a batter alone.
 
Yes, if he is the one who has to keep wickets at any cost, then demote him to 7 and now after having played two series, Buttler can bat at 5.

Personally, Buttler should take gloves and continue at 7 while Johnny should play at 5 as a specialist bat.
 
If Bairstow did overtake Root, he has now spun off the track and crashed.
 
Yes, if he is the one who has to keep wickets at any cost, then demote him to 7 and now after having played two series, Buttler can bat at 5.

Personally, Buttler should take gloves and continue at 7 while Johnny should play at 5 as a specialist bat.

Disagree, Buttler should be a specialist five because he is a better batsman than Bairstow.

Wider array of shots, mentally stronger, more emotionally mature, superior cricket brain. Just better.
 
Disagree, Buttler should be a specialist five because he is a better batsman than Bairstow.

Wider array of shots, mentally stronger, more emotionally mature, superior cricket brain. Just better.

Bairstow to open, Buttler at #5, Foakes behind the sticks at #7.
 
Looks like he's accepted that he won't have the gloves. #3 has been a trouble spot for England since the retirement of Trott so Bairstow could be the solution.
 
Good hundred by Johnny but unfortunately it came after Root had played match/series winning hundred. Bairstow should bat at 3 only, Root at 4 and Buttler at 6.
 
<B>OP should stick to the mechanics of fast bowling.:P</B> Buttler is more talented and wipes the floor with both. :viv

That's true.

Bairstow is not good enough to be even compared with Root, who will go down as England's greatest ever in last many years combining all formats.
 
That's true.

Bairstow is not good enough to be even compared with Root, who will go down as England's greatest ever in last many years combining all formats.

I believe Root is a backfoot player but OP says otherwise, that is, a front foot oriented. Just to be sure, which one is true?
 
That's true.

Bairstow is not good enough to be even compared with Root, who will go down as England's greatest ever in last many years combining all formats.

I don't disagree with OP completely and he is spot on that bairstow is damn against the short stuff, but he lacks the skill to combat quality swing/spin bowling like we saw in the last English summer . Gones at the ball with hard hands and ends up looking foolish. Buttler is more explosive than both. Also I don't think root or bairstow will get any better than they already are - roots best years are behind him. We might not have seen the best of buttler yet.
 
I believe Root is a backfoot player but OP says otherwise, that is, a front foot oriented. Just to be sure, which one is true?

Root has definitely improved his backfoot game and is a solid backfoot player now. However, I believe OP's point was in reference to the ability to pull shots. While Root does stay backwards and is able to play cut shots or deliveries outside off stump, he doesn't get across the line which is why he is not a good puller of bowl.

Regarding his front foot game, I have a different view on it. I believe he was an excellent front foot player in past but in last couple of years, he had made some changes in his batting set-up, ie, now he has higher backlift and stance to deal with quality pace more easily which is why he hasn't been able to come quickly to his front-foot shots, ie, deliveries bowled fuller on stumps and hence not been able to dominate the way he used to till 2016. Its eventually a mental thing and not getting stuck between two things which Root has gone into.
 
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I don't disagree with OP completely and he is spot on that bairstow is damn against the short stuff, but he lacks the skill to combat quality swing/spin bowling like we saw in the last English summer . Gones at the ball with hard hands and ends up looking foolish. Buttler is more explosive than both. Also I don't think root or bairstow will get any better than they already are - roots best years are behind him. We might not have seen the best of buttler yet.

He has lost it, looked clueless completely for his 2(33) yesterday. Very emotional cricketer, doesn't have a cricketing brain and due to his resilience for keeping, he has got stucked with his batting position and requirement of the role he is in to.
 
I don't disagree with OP completely and he is spot on that bairstow is damn against the short stuff, but he lacks the skill to combat quality swing/spin bowling like we saw in the last English summer . Gones at the ball with hard hands and ends up looking foolish. Buttler is more explosive than both. Also I don't think root or bairstow will get any better than they already are - roots best years are behind him. We might not have seen the best of buttler yet.

At age 27? England batters don’t hit top form until then!
 
Not true at all. Atleast not in recent times. Cook and KP had already played their best cricket by the age of 28.

Could have been burnout due to the sheer volume of cricket, though KP was never the same after Textgate.

Gower and Gatting hit full strength in their late 20s and Gooch became twice as good in his thirties. Stewart came into his own aged 29 or so, as did Bell.
 
Both finish with a similar run-tally at the World Cup, with two hundreds apiece... But Root's hundreds were against Pakistan and West Indies while he struggled in the crunch games including a really poor final. Bairstow two hundreds were in must-win games against New Zealand and India. Bairstow also now holds the record for most runs for a batsman in his first World Cup.
 
World cup performance is icing on the cake. Not the cake itself. We have to stop over-rating every single world cup innings.
 
I was a bit surprised that Root seemed to choke up in the final. But then so did Williamson by batting too slowly.
 
I was a bit surprised that Root seemed to choke up in the final. But then so did Williamson by batting too slowly.
Williamson scored 30 from 53 balls when batting first while Root scored 7 from 30 balls while chasing.

And KW choked?

Come again?
 
Williamson scored 30 from 53 balls when batting first while Root scored 7 from 30 balls while chasing.

And KW choked?

Come again?

Neither of them are dominating players. Kane less so. Kane scoring 30 in 53 is par for the course. He pretty much does it every time. But Root can score quickly. Probably got stuck in over-cautious mode.
 
Neither of them are dominating players. Kane less so. Kane scoring 30 in 53 is par for the course. He pretty much does it every time. But Root can score quickly. Probably got stuck in over-cautious mode.

Yes; both lack that extra gear to accelerate that Kohli, Sharma, Warner, etc, have.
 
Williamson scored 30 from 53 balls when batting first while Root scored 7 from 30 balls while chasing.

And KW choked?

Come again?

I expected more from the supposed Kiwi iceman. Funny thing, pressure.
 
Root is below Bairstow, Roy, butler and stokes in my opinion

He is the best in tests by a long way.

In this WC Root scored 556 runs, Bairstow 532, Roy 443 (though he missed three games), Stokes 465 and Buttler 312.
 
He is the best in tests by a long way.

In this WC Root scored 556 runs, Bairstow 532, Roy 443 (though he missed three games), Stokes 465 and Buttler 312.

Yeah no comparison in tests
But having watched the World Cup I rate Roy, Bairstow and stokes much better with the bat. Yes root might have scored more runs but the impact of runs scored by others mentioned is much more
 
Yeah no comparison in tests
But having watched the World Cup I rate Roy, Bairstow and stokes much better with the bat. Yes root might have scored more runs but the impact of runs scored by others mentioned is much more

By impact do you mean hitting sixes? Accumulation can be as important - look at Williamson, he doesn't hit many sixes. England would not have got into the final without Root.
 
What a trash thread by OP.

Bairstow is not fit enough to tie the shoelace of Root, who himself is going through a terrible patch but somehow still manages a 70 odd here and there.
 
Root's decline is pitiful to watch.. Which is a shame because I like him. Bloke has a class.

Reckon should be relieved from the burden of captaincy so he can focus back on batting.
 
What a trash thread by OP.

Bairstow is not fit enough to tie the shoelace of Root, who himself is going through a terrible patch but somehow still manages a 70 odd here and there.

You simpleton. There's something called time and context. Bairstow's downfall in tests has been his own fault. He's still better in LOIs.
 
You simpleton. There's something called time and context. Bairstow's downfall in tests has been his own fault. He's still better in LOIs.

He never ever came close to Root, let alone surpassing him, which was the argument of this thread.

Both of them declined but Root is still massively ahead. England should either drop Bairstow or ask him to give up gloves and play as specialist batter.
 
He never ever came close to Root, let alone surpassing him, which was the argument of this thread.

Both of them declined but Root is still massively ahead. England should either drop Bairstow or ask him to give up gloves and play as specialist batter.

At the time, he was averaging 50 for a two year period and had played a lot of clutch knocks. My argument was that he'd take off had he dropped the gloves and committed to batting full-time like he does in ODIs. But he's a stubborn idiot and paid for it.
 
At the time, he was averaging 50 for a two year period and had played a lot of clutch knocks. My argument was that he'd take off had he dropped the gloves and committed to batting full-time like he does in ODIs. But he's a stubborn idiot and paid for it.

Perhaps it has to do with his father being a wicketkeeper as well.

Wants to carry on the legacy and so is hesitant to give up the gloves.
 
At the time, he was averaging 50 for a two year period and had played a lot of clutch knocks. My argument was that he'd take off had he dropped the gloves and committed to batting full-time like he does in ODIs. But he's a stubborn idiot and paid for it.

He is getting bowled too often. If he gives up gloves, he will have to bat at 4 and I am afraid he is just not good enough to score prolifically, batting in top 4.

A good batting unit has atleast two batters averaging 45+(two is bare minimum) and it's those two whom we call as main batsmen. England have Root but none as second option which is why they can't even win matches at home.
 
probably yes... both are crap in tests ... but bairstow is a giant and miles ahead in LOI . so root < bairstow
 
Bairstow averages 24 over the last eighteen months.
 
OP has good understanding of mechanics of fast bowling. But for batting, not much :kp
 
England manufactures green seamers for test cricket and highways for ODI cricket. Bairstow's method works brilliantly in ODIs but he falls apart when the ball seams/swings back in. Nowhere is the difference in pitches/conditions for the 2 formats larger than it is in england.
 
Jonny Bairstow is playing his 75th Test match

That’s a lot of Test matches for a guy who averages 34 with the bat!
 
He kept wickets for a lot of tests too.

But he has been playing primarily as a batsman for quite some time now, and his average really is mediocre for this standard.

I think ECB need to make one final decision on who they will invest in as the keeper batsman between Bairstow and Butler, and then drop the other one.

Asad Shafiq was axed by Pakistan after 78 Tests who averages 3-4 runs more than Bairstow.
 
Jonny Bairstow - Mediocre test batsmen

i really dont get what england selectors fascination is with continually picking Bairstow in the test team. This guy is nothing more then a glorified white ball hack (let the guy play on roads, with no seam, swing or spin and let score runs). As soon as you put him on a test match pitch and against decent bowlers his cardboard cut out technic is exposed. The number of times this guy gets clean bowled is ridiculous, even most tailenders in world cricket arent this bad.

His overall test average is 33 and that after 78 tests. In his whole test career hes had 1 good year in 2016 where he averages 50+ from 17 tests played in that year. otherwise not in any other single year has he averaged over 35. Yet england always feel the need to go back to him.

Between 2019 and 2011 hes played 18 tests - 34 inns ( 2 not outs) 685 runs @21.

Thats pretty shambolic to say the least. Yet he has certain fans on here who like to proclaim as a world class talent and a must in the test team. (Mamoon)
 
Bairstow is probably going to be dropped for the fifth test after the recall of Jos Buttler.

His scores in the series: 29, 30, 57, 2, 29, 37, 0

He shouldn't have any complaints if he is dropped after not converting any of his starts.
 
Being England's Test captain will be a "learning curve" for Ben Stokes, says team-mate Jonny Bairstow.

All-rounder Stokes takes over the captaincy with England having just one win in their past 17 Tests.

The first Test against New Zealand at Lord's on Thursday will be the first outing for England's new captain and coach, Brendon McCullum.

"Not much will change from Ben Stokes the player," Bairstow told BBC Test Match Special.

"The way he goes about his bowling and his batting, it's all whole-hearted stuff and his captaincy will be the same.

Stokes previously captained England in the first Test against West Indies in 2020, when former skipper Joe Root missed the match to attend the birth of his second child.

He also led the one-day international side to a 3-0 series victory over Pakistan last summer after a Covid outbreak forced England to name an entirely new squad.

Middle-order batter Bairstow said England supporters will have to be patient as well as excited for the team's new era under Stokes as permanent captain.

"It's going to be a learning experience for him as well," he said.

"We need to understand and recognise that it's going to be a learning curve, but the experience that he's got around him, and the visions that he's got are great.

"If we can all pull together in the right direction, then it is going to be an exciting brand of cricket."

Bairstow played a key role in England's white-ball transformation under Eoin Morgan that resulted in their 2019 World Cup win and says that a similar transition is due for the Test side.

"It took a period of time for that transition to happen," he added. "Everyone's well aware that it didn't just happen overnight.

"But it was the way in which someone had the bravery to go: 'Right. This is actually the way that we're going to play and we're going to stick to that.' And that person was Morgs [Eoin Morgan] and it's exciting."

England's all-time leading wicket-takers James Anderson and Stuart Broad are in contention to play the first Test, having been left out of the West Indies tour in March, but the hosts are missing eight other pace bowlers through injury.

Ollie Robinson was withdrawn on Thursday from the County XI who beat New Zealand in a warm-up because of stiffness in his lower back.

England announced on Monday that Robinson also tested positive for Covid-19 that day and will have his back injury assessed once his isolation period ends this week.

Jofra Archer, Saqib Mahmood and Matt Fisher have been ruled out for lengthy periods with stress fractures of the back, while Chris Woakes, Mark Wood, Olly Stone and Sam Curran have also been dealing with injuries.

Reigning world Test champions New Zealand have named a 15-man squad for the three-match series but have said that Trent Boult and Henry Nicholls may not feature in the first Test.

Batter Nicholls is recovering from a calf injury while fast bowler Boult is only expected to arrive in the UK on Monday, having played in the Indian Premier League final on Sunday.

BBC
 
will Bairstow even be picked in the XI on Thursday, is the question at the moment.

Under severe pressure for his place from Harry Brook.

Good. Competition for places is healthy.
 
will Bairstow even be picked in the XI on Thursday, is the question at the moment.

Under severe pressure for his place from Harry Brook.

Good. Competition for places is healthy.

Need more staying power.

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His closing effort today was of the worst dismissals from an experienced England Test player in a while. Any repeat in the second match and that’s a droppable offence
 
His closing effort today was of the worst dismissals from an experienced England Test player in a while. Any repeat in the second match and that’s a droppable offence

Eight centuries in 83 tests, average 34 is a moderate return. Though he has been messed about with the gloves and up and down the order, keeping at #7 while the failed experiment of specialist batter Buttler at #5 continued.

I would keep him for the moment as he does score counterpunching runs some of the time, and took a bunch of sharp slip catches in this test instead of the usual catch-free cordon.
 
Bairstow? Not even close.

Root is miles ahead of other English batsmen when it comes to Test format.
 
What an innings!

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Player of the match, England's Jonny Bairstow...

"It was just great fun to be out there. When you get in that kind of you, I think you've just got to go with it. The plan we went out with after tea - it was do or die, wasn't it?


"It was one of those where you talk about being in the zone. If you strip everything back, it's just you and the bowler. That is the zone. Cricket is sometimes so much more complicated, it's complicated by us players.

"I had a cheese and ham toastie and a cup of tea at tea. Then came out to bat and Ben said, 'don't even think about hitting one down, hit it into the stand!' - and that's effectively how it went!"
 
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]'s Can you close this thread please? Bairstow has just played a great knock, but he has never, ever been even close to Root in tests. It's honestly very embarrassing to read.
 
[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]'s Can you close this thread please? Bairstow has just played a great knock, but he has never, ever been even close to Root in tests. It's honestly very embarrassing to read.

Threads are made at a particular time and within a specific window of the OP’s understanding. This is how the forums work. The OP made the thread five years ago when he/we didn’t know then what is known now.

We wouldn’t close a thread like this, particularly one which still has interest — but to reflect a more up to date context, I have amended the title.
 
Threads are made at a particular time and within a specific window of the OP’s understanding. This is how the forums work. The OP made the thread five years ago when he/we didn’t know then what is known now.

We wouldn’t close a thread like this, particularly one which still has interest — but to reflect a more up to date context, I have amended the title.

Understandable. However Bairstow wasn't close to Root 5 years ago either. Root actually averaged 54 after 60 tests.
 
Understandable. However Bairstow wasn't close to Root 5 years ago either. Root actually averaged 54 after 60 tests.

That’s fine. Our OP wasn’t performing a statistical analysis. It’s a good discussion thread about the two players and it will remain.
 
The sky is the limit for England's Test team under the new leadership of Ben Stokes and Brendon McCullum, says Jonny Bairstow.

England claimed an emphatic five-wicket victory over New Zealand at Trent Bridge on Tuesday, thanks in large part to Bairstow's supreme performance.

Bairstow struck 136 off just 92 deliveries as he turned in one of the all-time great batting displays in red-ball cricket for England.

Indeed, his 77-ball century fell agonisingly short of matching Gilbert Jessop's 76-ball hundred at The Oval in 1902, which still stands as England's fastest Test ton.

The Yorkshireman's 136 was the highest fourth-innings score of any England batter coming in at five or lower, as he combined with captain Stokes to propel the hosts to victory with a 179-run fifth-wicket partnership.

While Bairstow's stand was eventually ended by Trent Boult, who took 3-94 for a New Zealand bowling attack devoid of the injured Kyle Jamieson, Stokes (75 not out) was on hand to hammer a four through the covers and wrap up the highest successful Test chase at Trent Bridge.

England won just one of their previous 17 Tests before Stokes replaced Joe Root – who starred in the first innings in Nottingham – as captain and former New Zealand skipper McCullum was appointed as coach. They now hold an unassailable 2-0 series lead heading to Leeds for next week's final match.

With 1,675 runs scored over the second Test – the most ever seen at Trent Bridge – Bairstow explained England approached day five as a one-day game, and he believes the team have the perfect balance to return to the top in the longest format.

"It was just great fun to be out there. It's one of those things, when you get in that kind of mood you've just got to go with it. It was do or die," he told Sky Sports.

"If you strip everything back and there's just you and the bowler there... that's the bit where sometimes cricket's so much more complicated, and it's complicated by us as players.

"When you strip it all back, you're just watching the ball – that is the zone you have to get into. Sometimes it can be tricky.

"When there's been so many runs scored in the game, I don't think you look at it as a record run chase, you look at it as an opportunity to go and chase down a total. We saw it as a one-day game – that's how we looked at it.

"I think the positive approach, the brand of cricket we're looking to play, the players we have in that dressing room are able to play that brand of cricket. I tell you what, days like this are very exciting. If this is happening now, let's see what happens in the next few weeks and next few months because it's going to be a journey."

Asked where his ninth Test century ranked among his other tons for England in the five-day game, Bairstow – who revealed his evening session onslaught was fuelled by a "cheese and ham toastie and a cup of coffee" – replied: "It's number one. I think it's tricky not to be number one, isn't it?

"There's been a lot of chatter around England's Test cricket, some of which has been a bit harsh. We've battled through different things. I'm hugely proud of the way the guys have gone about it in those few years, it's enabled us to get close as a group.

"If we're able to go forward as we have done, keep that momentum, keep it going, the sky is the limit."

https://sportsmax.tv/cricket/cricke...t-for-england-says-trent-bridge-hero-bairstow
 
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