Jos Buttler vs Rishabh Pant vs Mohammad Rizwan

[Bhaijaan]

How do you rate them in test cricket.

 

[Mesozoic]

Buttler > Rizwan > Pant

Rizwan is a far superior wicket keeper but as a whole package, Buttler leaves him behind comfortably.

Pant is currently a level beneath them although he has Test hundreds in England and Australia.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Buttler is in a different league as a Batsman and Rizwan is in a different league as a keeper

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

Jos butler is an average test batsman and and way too awful as a wicketkeeper.I don't know about this Rishabh pant who that is.Rizwan is probably the best wicketkeeper right now and even with bat he is very reliable.

 

[Fahdi]

Jos Buttler is bashing a bowling line up that isn't that special at the moment in home conditions and hasn't had to deal with reverse swing either. In terms of ability with the bat he is the best of the lot probably but that ability doesn't quite translate into actual performance. On the keeping from he is pretty ordinary.

Rizwan is new and unproven at this level but he has shown a lot of mental strength to overcome his technical deficiencies in difficult conditions. His keeping is outstanding though. Due to the small sample size it's hard to make a comparison with Buttler at the moment.

Pant, I haven't seen or followed enough of to comment on too much. He didn't seem as good with the bat as Buttler to me.

 

[Ab Fan]

All three are <B>modern day potential great</B> of the game but needs to be backed well by the management.

Whoever says otherwise should not forget that our Padosis are 1-0 behind in this series because of the heroics of one of these bloke.

 

[Rajdeep]

Butler and Pant are primarily batsmen who can keep a bit. Rizwan is a pure keeper and should be compared with Saha.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Rizwan is no where near the class of pant and butler in terms of batting. He is not a dynamic player. A little bit better keeper though.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Butler and Pant are primarily batsmen who can keep a bit. Rizwan is a pure keeper and should be compared with Saha.

Pants keeping in tests has been good. I think people are focusing too much on his Lois and are forgetting that he has been really good in test matches

 

[JattMaula]

Buttler is a WC winning WK. Pant isn't even potty trained yet.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pant/Butler are equally poor keepers. In terms of keeping, Rizwan is well ahead of both. His catch of Joe Root (popularly known as Joey) was an excellent example of his keeping ability.


Batting wise, Rizwan comes third but one must also mention that he's also the safest batsman of the three as he plays proper cricket.

Pant and Butler are prone to slogging and could get out being stupid.

Pant has a test century in Australia and England in his first year in tests so he's shown his batting potential. Butler has 1 test century only in 30+tests

 

[Mueez]

If I’m not wrong Rizwan has a century too in Aus.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Rizwan's batting style is very similar to Brendon McCullum.

 

[MMHS]

Butler is the better batsman by some margin, Pant & Rizwan are probably at same level with bat - Pant more explosive, Rizwan resilient. In Test batting, the gap between three is less. In LO batting, JB is in different universe, Pant as well very effective, particularly in T20s; Rizwan shouldn’t play T20, but can be effective in ODI.

As a WK, Rizwan is in different universe than the other two - JB basically is not a WK - KL, Abid, Perera, Kayes ... are probably at pet or better WK than JB, definitely against spin - JB probably isn’t an ODI quality WK, but in T20 almost any WK can do the job, so does Butler. Pant is not a Test quality WK, but can be trusted in ODI and he can be a fantastic T20 player overall.

 

[King_Kohli]

Pant will surpass other two.

 

[Kaka4pope]

Rizwan’s a great keeper, also think he can be our number 4 (accumulator) in ODIs.

Other two are on another batting level, hitting range etc

 

[Bhaijaan]

Rizwan night be the best wicket keeper in the world right now after Saha and Paine and.probably that new kiwi guy

 

[Ab Fan]

I am impressed by Rizwan's keeping in this series. I see a good batsmen in him as well.

If he was playing for some other country which has better and more competent cricket setup, he would have been the best wk-batsmen after Gilly.

 

[Saurav]

Pant>Rizwan>Buttler

Buttler is best in ODIs but hasn't proven himself in Tests in Asia

 

[Hasan123]

Buttler is the best out of 3. Pant is going to be a terrific player. I like Rizwan but as an overall package he won't be on these 2 level.

 

[Mamoon]

Buttler is an insanely talented batsman. As I have stated many times, if England had backed him properly, he would have been equal to de Villiers in Test cricket.

However, not much is lost. He still has 5-6 years left and will play 100 Tests.

Pant is an extremely talented batsman. Only slightly below Buttler in terms of potential. Ignorant people who know nothing about cricket will laugh him off and call him a hack, but watch what India turns him into over the next few years.

Rizwan is a reasonable batsman. He has a cool head and should average 32-33 which is good enough for a WK batsman playing for a pathetic side.

As a keeper, he is fantastic. Probably as good as anyone in the world right now.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Buttler is an insanely talented batsman. As I have stated many times, if England had backed him properly, he would have been equal to de Villiers in Test cricket.

However, not much is lost. He still has 5-6 years left and will play 100 Tests.

Pant is an extremely talented batsman. Only slightly below Buttler in terms of potential. Ignorant people who know nothing about cricket will laugh him off and call him a hack, but watch what India turns him into over the next few years.

Rizwan is a reasonable batsman. He has a cool head and should average 32-33 which is good enough for a WK batsman playing for a pathetic side.

As a keeper, he is fantastic. Probably as good as anyone in the world right now.

Agree on the pant part. And he has done much better than any modern wicket keeper in test matches and he is not even 25 yet.

 

[CricketZ]

Pant nearing his ton..

 

[Mobashir]

In tests I will say Rizwan.
In ODI'S and T20's Rizwan should not be in the discussion.
Buttler is way ahead of Pant because of the numbers of years he is playing but as I consider him one of the most over-rated cricketer going around not impossible for Pant to catch him.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Tests :-

• Butler : 57 tests,
• Pant: 43 tests
• Rizwan: 39 test

Centuries :-

• Pant: 7
• Rizwan: 3
• Butler: 2

Average :-

• Pant: 42.11
• Rizwan: 40.58
• Butler: 31.94

Strike rate :-

• Pant: 73.62
• Rizwan: 54.32
• Butler: 54.18

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Lol, Pant is the greatest test cricketer in the world.

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol, Pant is the greatest test cricketer in the world.

You dont have time to be on PP but have time to find and bump threads that everyone forgot about?

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pant now has 3 test centuries in England.

No other visiting wicket keeper has more than 1.

Let that sink in. Generational test match talent.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Among all Asian batters ever, only Dravid (6), Tendulkar (4) & Vengsarkar (4) have more test centuries in England now than Rishabh Pant (3).

Pant is now ahead of Gavaskar, Azharuddin, Inzamam, Jayawardne, Miandad, Kohli, Sangakkara, Younis, Abbass.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Lol Legside is not even in the same galaxy was Pant.

Pant is the king....

 

[Sachin fan]

5 SENA 100s is huge

 

[Vikram1989]

Tests :-

• Butler : 57 tests,
• Pant: 43 tests
• Rizwan: 39 test

Centuries :-

• Pant: 7
• Rizwan: 3
• Butler: 2

Average :-

• Pant: 42.11
• Rizwan: 40.58
• Butler: 31.94

Strike rate :-

• Pant: 73.62
• Rizwan: 54.32
• Butler: 54.18

Illetarte clowns and blind haters will say no close field is the reason for pant success in test format.but Butler, t20 goat contender struggles in test match at a low sr than rizwan.it shows one should have a tight pack defence in test matches to survive before attacking or knowing when to attack/what ball to attack.survival with tight defence is the first job of any test player.

 

[charlie007]

. <B>Ignorant people who know nothing about cricket will laugh him off and call him a hack, but watch what India turns him into over the next few years. </B>

Mamoon said it …

 

[PAKFAN12]

Pant is undoubtedly the best Test wicketkeeper-batsman in the world at present

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pant gets twin centuries at Headingley.

4 test centuries in England.

7 in SENA

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Pant gets twin centuries at Headingley.

4 test centuries in England.

7 in SENA

6 in Sena? Right?

 

[Bhaijaan]

6 in Sena? Right?

I believe it’s 7 now

 

[Buffet]

A far better comparison is Pant vs Gilly. Pant is on track to overtake Gilly.

90+ scores by keepers in tests,

Pant has 15 ( 44 tests) vs Gilly 20 ( 96 tests). Gilly entire career was in flat track era. If Pant plays 40 more tests here, he will play many more big knocks.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Riz is the man! Tullybaaz Pant is no match to the superstar Riz

 

[Bhaijaan]

A far better comparison is Pant vs Gilly. Pant is on track to overtake Gilly.

90+ scores by keepers in tests,

Pant has 15 ( 44 tests) vs Gilly 20 ( 96 tests). Gilly entire career was in flat track era. If Pant plays 40 more tests here, he will play many more big knocks.



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Gilchrist played better bowling

 

[Buffet]

Gilchrist played better bowling

Did he? Donald, Wasim, Waqar, Ambrose were pretty much done when Gilly started. Pollock was past is best. Gilly did not face McGrath. Gilly played during super flat era. I am very comfortrable in saying that Gilly faced far easier conditions to bat than Pant taking account of pitches and bowlers.

Anyway, it's hard to compare better bowling vs flat track comparison subjectively, but it's far easier to simply see how others did in the same period.

24 batsmen in 10-11 years period had higher avg than Gilly wih cut off of 3K runs.
Only 6 batsmen in 10-11 years period have higher avg than Pant with cut off of 3K runs.

That 25th spot vs 7th spot captures difficulty of batting far better because it combines pitches and bowling quality both.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Gilchrist played better bowling

Not really, Gilchrist started his test career in 1999, most of the great bowlers were finished or into their later years.

 

[nish_mate]

Pant still cant cobra though....

Mushfiq better than him

 

[Buffet]

Another way to look,

400-500 more away runs, Pant will have more away runs than Gilly. India during Pant is drastically harder to bat than Aus during Gilly. Aus pitches in that time was super flat and it was home ground for Gilly.

I loved watching Gilly due to role he played. Pant is playing the same role better than Gilly so far. That's why I think he is on track to over take Gilly. Having said that anything can happen. I am actually shocked to see Pant coming back so strong after his horrible accident. Glad to see him back to his best.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How is his keeping. He seems to drop one or two.

 

[Buffet]

How is his keeping. He seems to drop one or two.

I don't think he is back to best in keeping. I may be wrong because I did not watch the entire test.

After the accident, I thought he was done.

 

[Romali_rotti]

@Buffet

While I think Gilly is the most exciting bat I have ever seen, he did face a lot of great 90s bowlers past their prime in the 2000s.. However the 200 Gilly scored in SA is still one of the best innings I have ever seen even though it was against an aging Pollock and co.