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Junaid is 1000000000 time batter then amir,
only stupid cheater can replace amir
So junaid is a cheater ?
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Junaid is 1000000000 time batter then amir,
only stupid cheater can replace amir
Amir is grossly overrated. just on basis of one awesome series people were fawning over the guy.sure he was a prodigy but if the amount of intelligence he had in his bowling, he could have used in his life he would have been playing for Pakistan now.
Junaid is very good.he is not very quick but he is accurate and can swing the ball both ways. he has a very bright future.
so yeah Junaid>>>> Amir
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how many of you remember Amir in WC T20 2009? he was nippy but not express, had good line n length but not 100% accurate, and didnt had any lateral movement at all. He was just angling it across
He did swung the ball in SL but nothing prodigeous, it was Champions trophy where he did real damage with the new ball and one-dayers in Australia when he started to bend the ball back in.
He was ofcourse, a naturally gifted bowler and a quick learner. But in comparison, you can see that Junaid has infact made a much better start albeit he was 4 years older at debut![]()
Junaid is 22 now and Amir is 20.
One thing is for sure. India will never have a bowler like Amir..)
I think the fact that we had a cheat is more of an embarrassment to us.
I think the fact that we had a cheat is more of an embarrassment to us.
Had Amir been playing today, he might very well be challenging the likes of Steyn and Broad for the title of the best pacer in the world, such was his potential and skill.
Junaid needs to increase his pace and have a breakout performance to be considered in the same league.
when they made their international debuts
Amir was 17
Junaid was 21
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HAhaha) You believe that?
i was bored and was reading this thread, decided to make a little appreciation video on both of these bowlers. hope you guys like it!
(PS: didnt know what to put at the end! so whatever....)
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Amir was so special. There will never be another bowler like him. At such a young age he had everything. Pace, ability to bowl at 90mph+. He could swing the new ball. He could reverse the old ball. He could attack when needed. He could defend and contain when needed to. He could hit the seam. He could bowl yorkers at the death. He could bowl bouncers. He could change his pace well. He could swing the ball back into the right handers. He could out think top batsman. He was only 18.
For all of the potential, talent and ability Aamir showed us....
At the end of the day, he was caught robbing Pakistan cricket and I hope that is the end of his short-lived career...
Those youtube videos will remain small nuggets of history of a 'prodigy'
As for Junaid, he is getting better every game and has all the skills and abilities to better what Aamir had done..
Let us not dwell on the past but, look forward to the future!!
People who are saying Amir swung the ball more, amir had better control/seam etc are probably forgetting that that happened in bowler freindly conditions...what Junaid has done he has done on the flattest wickets in conditions that aren't suited for pace bowling at all i.e in dubai and sri lanka, amir looked good because he played in conditions that were perfect for him, and still junaid has the better record, stats don't lie. Junaid>>>>Amir
After this performance, I say Junaid Khan is now is better than Amir
He can bowl in any condition now
Amir had a better inswinger...that said Junaid is improving which is a good sign.
It would be good viewing amir(when he comes back) with Junaid khan sharing the new ball.
Amir was different class, a once in a lifetime bowler, but the present is all about Junaid !
Amir fell foul for whatever reasons, time to get behind the players who are actually still playing for Pakistan.
And why Junaid will never be as good as Amir? What had amir done on flat tracks of subcontinent? Junaid has not even played 1 match in favourable conditions of england, SA ,Aus or NZ and still has a better avg. then amir.. Just bcz amir was faster at a younger age doesnt make him better than junaid.+1
Junaid will never be as good as Amir...but we must persist with Junaid in the long run.
WOW
Amir is so overrated on this forum
WOW
Amir is so overrated on this forum
A bowler who destroyed england and austrailian line up is over rated? Its maybe because we rate england batsmen so high (in english conditions lol) that we rate amir highly.
Destroyed? Yes he took quite a few wickets here and there but let's be realistic. It was the most bowler friendly conditions England has seen for years. In every other country he played in he averaged 40. The way people talk about him on this forum you'd think Pakistan lost Malcolm Marshal in his prime.
Some guy in this thread just said Amir and Junaid would have been better than the 2 W's. Really?
He was talented, let's just leave it at that.
Destroyed? Yes he took quite a few wickets here and there but let's be realistic. It was the most bowler friendly conditions England has seen for years. In every other country he played in he averaged 40. The way people talk about him on this forum you'd think Pakistan lost Malcolm Marshal in his prime.
Some guy in this thread just said Amir and Junaid would have been better than the 2 W's. Really?
He was talented, let's just leave it at that.
It's become borderline consensual saying this, but correlation is not causality.
Amir's average was high in non-bowling friendly conditions, but he was 16-17 during those matches and he didn't bowl after the English Summer so we I don't know how you can say that he would have continued averaging 40 in non-friendly conditions.
If you look at the way he bowled in England, at 18, he swung the bowl both ways, got international class batsmen out, clocked at 152, showed a lot of accuracy and a great cricketing brain. Now, if you compare that to 16 year old amir, you can see an exceptional learning curve which, if it had continued (and there was no reason for it not to), takes Amir much further than ''a 40 average''.
And Besides that, the whole cricketing world was full of praise, he was going to receive wisden award, even if you take out that IK said that he is the most talented cricketer he's ever seen (fine, demagogy), that Wasim Akram said he was better than him at 18 (fine, pakistani bias).
Amir was different class, a once in a lifetime bowler, but the present is all about Junaid !
Amir fell foul for whatever reasons, time to get behind the players who are actually still playing for Pakistan.
Amir's average was high in non-bowling friendly conditions, but he was 16-17 during those matches and he didn't bowl after the English Summer so we I don't know how you can say that he would have continued averaging 40 in non-friendly conditions.
If you look at the way he bowled in England, at 18, he swung the bowl both ways, got international class batsmen out, clocked at 152, showed a lot of accuracy and a great cricketing brain. Now, if you compare that to 16 year old amir, you can see an exceptional learning curve which
, if it had continued (and there was no reason for it not to), takes Amir much further than ''a 40 average''.
And Besides that, the whole cricketing world was full of praise
he was going to receive wisden award
, even if you take out that IK said that he is the most talented cricketer he's ever seen (fine, demagogy), that Wasim Akram said he was better than him at 18 (fine, pakistani bias).
I did not make any reference anywhere to how Amir would have performed in the future and I most definitely did not say he would continue to average 40. I stated a fact that he averaged 40 in every country he played in bar England.
Yes, that's what facts are there to be used for.So, you stated a fact but you also used it as an argument for ''overrated''.
The only way that it's relevant is if you think ''Amir wasn't that good on flat pitches as in England''. But you can still clarify: do you think 2010 summer was fluke because he averaged 40 in 2009?
Yes, that's what facts are there to be used for.
I don't "think" it. I know it because it's a fact. The fanboys deal with assumptions and what "could have been". The fact of the matter is, we'll never know what he would have become as a bowler on flat decks and unfavorable conditions. All we know is that in his short career he was crap on them. Hence, he is overrated.
So cricket should be based solely on facts? Forget that he was only 17 when he averaged 40 and that his average was improving after every test? These are also facts and context along with observation are required to form an opinion.
I ask a question. Do you genuinely believe that over a 10 year career he wouldn't have taken over 300 wickets and averaged 23-28?