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which batsman is the most complete English batsman in all formats since 2000?

is it Kevin Peterson?? or Joe Root?
not including Cook and Strauss because they hadn't played much T20 and Odi cricket

in other words
who is the better english batsman since last decade?? KP or Root??
 
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Root is the greatest English batsman of the modern era. Complete player in all formats.
 
KP is not just an England great but an All Time Great and England's greatest batsman. It's an insult to even remotely suggest Root comes close to Graham Thorpe let alone KP.
 
the way kevin peterson handled lee mcrath n warne in 2005 ashes
and mitchell johnson , siddle , haris in 2010/11 ashes
can root even think about it???

root struggled against Mitchell Johnson

just like kohli cannot be compared with sachin
just like smith cannot be compared with ponting
similarly root cannot be compared with KP

KP is the most classy n dominating English batsman in last two decades in all formats

just my humble opinion........any one who disagrees???
 
Root is still in the initial stage of his hope-to-be excellent career .While KP was in league of his own, single handedly murdered some of the best bowling attacks on his day. He has an excellent test career , good odi career and an excellent t-20 one. He played pivotal role in English success in 2005 ashes , t-20 World Cup win and India test series win. So he is an established Great of modern era. While joe root is going very good , but still it would be unfair to compare him with KP( my favourite Englishman ) .
 
Ahmad Shah said:
the way kevin peterson handled lee mcrath n warne in 2005 ashes
and mitchell johnson , siddle , haris in 2010/11 ashes
can root even think about it???

root struggled against Mitchell Johnson

just like kohli cannot be compared with sachin
just like smith cannot be compared with ponting
similarly root cannot be compared with KP

KP is the most classy n dominating English batsman in last two decades in all formats

just my humble opinion........any one who disagrees???
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Pietersen struggled a lot against Asif and left-arm spinners. However, he was a brutal match-winner on his day. Unfortunately, when he was out of form, he was poor selfish. He was a bit like Lara - his best was better than most players, but his worst was worse than most players as well.

Root is not as exciting or entertaining, but he is a more reliable and consistent performer who scores runs 9/10 times in all formats, all conditions and against all opposition. I won't look too much into the 2013-14 Ashes because he was inexperienced at that time and Johnson was in the form of his life. Since then, he has consistently scored in almost every series.
 
Mamoon said:
Pietersen struggled a lot against Asif and left-arm spinners. However, he was a brutal match-winner on his day. Unfortunately, when he was out of form, he was poor selfish. He was a bit like Lara - his best was better than most players, but his worst was worse than most players as well.

Root is not as exciting or entertaining, but he is a more reliable and consistent performer who scores runs 9/10 times in all formats, all conditions and against all opposition. I won't look too much into the 2013-14 Ashes because he was inexperienced at that time and Johnson was in the form of his life. Since then, he has consistently scored in almost every series.
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Off topic but you just mentioned Mitch Johnson, What a beast he turned out to be in his absolute best.

Was a sight to watch him bowl back then.
 
KP has won more matches.

Root has not yet matched what he did in Australia in 2010-11 and India in 2012.
 
Root will finish as the better player. KP was a destructive player on his day but he was inconsistent. Root will eventually improve his conversion rate and he will be a more consistent player.
 
Markhor said:
KP has won more matches.

Root has not yet matched what he did in Australia in 2010-11 and India in 2012.
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Root will be lucky to end with a career better then Graham Thorpe, he has a long way to go before he can even be compared to KP. Root has the luxury of poor bowling attacks to feast on and a roided up batsman's paradise of an era not to mention the sophisticated nature of the current ECB set up which would even allow Mark Ramprakash to average 50+. Anyhow despite these benefits Root has not won many games for England. Mostly little kids will sing his praises, it will take more convincing before the proper cricket fans take their hat off to him.
 
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KP - Root would have struggled against Asif as well, may not not be like KP.

BUT, Root playing against Warne, Murali & Ajmal/Kaneria on a turner .............. give me a break.
 
KP has proved to be all time English great batsman on many many occasions. What has Root done to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as KP ?
KP double hundreds in Australia, England, Asia, hundreds in South Africa, New Zealand, West Indies, Sri Lanka.

Root have done nothing of that sort. His only scoring ground is England. Outside England, he fails 9 out of 10 times
 
3rdWheel said:
KP has proved to be all time English great batsman on many many occasions. What has Root done to have his name mentioned in the same sentence as KP ?
KP double hundreds in Australia, England, Asia, hundreds in South Africa, New Zealand, West Indies, Sri Lanka.

Root have done nothing of that sort. His only scoring ground is England. Outside England, he fails 9 out of 10 times
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Got to be pretty good to fail 9 times out of 10 outside England and still average in the upper 40s outside England.
 
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Got to be pretty good to fail 9 times out of 10 outside England and still average in the upper 40s outside England.
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stats never tell you everything. Its the important innings that count, who will remember easy 100s. It's the double hundreds to save games, hundreds/fifties to win finals counts. It should be an honor for Root if KP asks him to tie his shoe laces
 
KP for his sheer shock value. He was like Sir Viv Richards in that way.

Root probably more consistent. If he can sort out his fifty problem, he will be unstoppable.

Among England players I have seen, I would pick both.
 
Ahmad Shah said:
the way kevin peterson handled lee mcrath n warne in 2005 ashes
and mitchell johnson , siddle , haris in 2010/11 ashes
can root even think about it???

root struggled against Mitchell Johnson
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They were pretty similar in that series actually.
 
Hamza_ said:
Off topic but you just mentioned Mitch Johnson, What a beast he turned out to be in his absolute best.

Was a sight to watch him bowl back then.
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From November 2013 to April 2014, Johnson was probably as good as any fast bowler in history. However, his form tailed off by the end of 2014 and he was ineffective against us in the UAE and at home vs India. Overall, a very good career but he could have achieved more.
 
People saying that Root struggled vs MJ? Every batsman struggles against some bowler. Ponting struggled vs Harbhajan etc. Root is one in a lifetime kinda bat.

That said, KP is an authentic match-winner. KP can destroy any bowling attack in any conditions. Struggled vs us in '11 tho, but no one can question his ability to dominate spin bowling.

So between KP and Root: as a Pak fan I'd choose KP.
 
I would choose KP as he was an absolute match winner on his day, don't think root could ever replicate KP's destructiveness, he also played some amazing bowlers. So when it all comes down to it I would pick KP.
 
KP was a better big-game player, so I rate him higher as of now, but Root has the potential to surpass him in the long run.
 
KP was an impact player, I will always rate him higher than any other English player. Root IMO is a bit selfish player. He isn't able to perform in big matches. Take CT17 semifinal for instance. Imo the real reason for English collapse was Root. Morgan was struggling against Hafeez, Root being a right hander should have attacked Hafeez. But nah, he kept playing his selfish innings.
 
So far it's comparable, KP is way ahead.

Maybe if Root has 7-8 good years then he can catch up with KP.
 
Root is really good and still has a lot of time ahead of him but KP was a match winner.

Match winner is someone who changes the complexion of the game, Root is not someone at the moment who one thinks that if he stays at the wicket for 15 overs he is going to take the game away. While Viv Richards, KP, Gilchrist, AB, Lara, Ponting and Zaheer Abbas were kind of players if they stood on the crease and in which ever format they played opposition was always on toes because they knew that runs are gonna come at pace and their averages reflect that it was meant to happen more often than not.

Root is really good but he is still to create that aura for himself.
 
Root will, I think, become England's greatest batsman of the post-war era. But KP has at least six iconic knocks to his name. Root hasn't been able to replicate this thus far.
 
Kp right now, but root will take over by the time he retires.
Kp took on some ATG bowlers and took them apart.
Root will have better numbers but he needs major innings in major series. Good time to start here and actually beat SA in a home series
 
Pietersen only really had one lull in his career lasting about 18 months, when he was likely suffering from depression and lack of motivation after being sacked as captain, and even then he was averaging 40 with the bat.

Pietersen was arguably the world's best batsman from 2005-2008, and then his mini-renaissance (between mid 2010 and the twilight of his career) was less spectacular - but still host to the 3 genius knocks in Australia, in India, and at home against South Africa, in addition to the player of the tournament award when England won the World T20.

I rate Root very highly. His contribution has been huge already. But he has a weakness at converting 50s into 100s, whereas in fact Pietersen's speciality was scoring huge hundreds that impacted the final result of the game.

Truth is the Yorkshireman has not solidified and proven the unreal match-winning pedigree of Pietersen. KP scored 23 Test tons and in 22 of those matches England either won or drew the match. Biggest stage performance doesn't get much stronger than that.
 
They are comparable. Its to be seen how Root career goes. He can surpass KP because the latter wasn't consistent and although he did delivered on some big tournaments he also went missing in Ashes 2013 series and vs Pakistan in UAE.

Its worth mentioning that KP,ability wise, was a once in a generation player but at the end of the day its the results that matters and Root is well on his way to surpass him unless he loses his way.
 
not much of a difference...kp slightly ahead brcause he had more match winning performances than root at this stage.
 
Pietersen, if you can look past all the snobbery that surrounded his England career. Root obviously has the ability and establishment support to overtake him in the next 5 years.
 
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