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Labour leadership: Result will be announced on 4 April [Post #1698]

Asif khan said:
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"Jack Straw, you said Jeremy Corbyn would lead Labour into political oblivion..."

Straw admits he "didn't expect" an exit poll like this.

Another criminal with egg on his face.
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exactly wish they would stop wheeling out these war criminals, they should be shunned.
 
Corbyn has led his party to more than 40% of the vote - that's phenomenal and way better than Blair did in 2005.

I'm not sure who is more dissapointed today, Theresa May and her supporters or the anti Corbyn brigade among his own MPs.

Corbyn has already seen off Cameron and now it looks like he may just outlast May too lol.
 
Blairites may try to minimise Corbyn's impact and say it was all down to the anti-Brexit vote, but this is a huge slice of humble pie served up for them. Corbyn has overseen a bigger increase in the share of Labour's vote since the Attlee victory of 1945. Yes Brexit played a part but voters also rejected further austerity.

For years they've claimed you cannot win on a truly progressive agenda, but times have changed. Ask Bernie Sanders. Its true however Labour have fallen well short of an overall majority, there's more convincing required that Labour can manage the economy and Corbyn needs to improve his shadow cabinet as there's still too many liabilities like Thornberry and Abbott.

But this is a huge step in the right direction towards returning to government.

I wonder what Corbyn's next move is. It could be a masterstroke if he extends an olive branch to the "moderates" like Cooper and Umunna to return to the shadow cabinet as either way - if they accept, Corbyn will be seen as a generous conciliator looking to unify the party. If they reject - they'd widely be viewed as saboteurs and disloyal, and rightly so.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jeremy Corbyn has just increased Labour's share of the vote more than any other leader in any other election since Attlee in 1945 <a href="https://t.co/CwcHzHZ04q">pic.twitter.com/CwcHzHZ04q</a></p>— Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) <a href="https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/873081902558699520">9 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Markhor said:
Blairites may try to minimise Corbyn's impact and say it was all down to the anti-Brexit vote, but this is a huge slice of humble pie served up for them. Corbyn has overseen a bigger increase in the share of Labour's vote since the Attlee victory of 1945. Yes Brexit played a part but voters also rejected further austerity.

For years they've claimed you cannot win on a truly progressive agenda, but times have changed. Ask Bernie Sanders. Its true however Labour have fallen well short of an overall majority, there's more convincing required that Labour can manage the economy and Corbyn needs to improve his shadow cabinet as there's still too many liabilities like Thornberry and Abbott.

But this is a huge step in the right direction towards returning to government.

I wonder what Corbyn's next move is. It could be a masterstroke if he extends an olive branch to the "moderates" like Cooper and Umunna to return to the shadow cabinet as either way - if they accept, Corbyn will be seen as a generous conciliator looking to unify the party. If they reject - they'd widely be viewed as saboteurs and disloyal, and rightly so.
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sorry but bring back chukku and cooper? lol..their history..they should never be brought anywhere near the cabinet. their political philosophy is dead and blairism is finished. I think thornberry is great and she should continue in the job. this nonsense about "moderates" is just that nonsense. This is not an age where you can sit in the middle of the road. Theres alot of talk about the fact Labour didnt win. of course they werent going to win, he had a few weeks to mount a campaign and that with 172 traitors waiting to stab him in the back. Considering the odds he smashed the odds to pieces.

And this is merely round 1. Round 2 is coming and Corbyn needs to be ready!
 
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sorry but bring back chukku and cooper? lol..their history..they should never be brought anywhere near the cabinet. their political philosophy is dead and blairism is finished. I think thornberry is great and she should continue in the job. this nonsense about "moderates" is just that nonsense. This is not an age where you can sit in the middle of the road. Theres alot of talk about the fact Labour didnt win. of course they werent going to win, he had a few weeks to mount a campaign and that with 172 traitors waiting to stab him in the back. Considering the odds he smashed the odds to pieces.

And this is merely round 1. Round 2 is coming and Corbyn needs to be ready!
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Abbott and Thornberry are liabilities who were regularly fluffing up their lines in the campaign. Who knows what could've happened if Corbyn had a stronger shadow team around him ?

It will be impossible for the remaining "Corbynskeptics" to reject a conciliatory gesture from Corbyn after these results.

If they do - then it'll be abundantly clear to the public, even those who dislike Corbyn, that the centrists are responsible for the disloyalty and divison in the party !
 
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Abbott and Thornberry are liabilities who were regularly fluffing up their lines in the campaign. Who knows what could've happened if Corbyn had a stronger shadow team around him ?

It will be impossible for the remaining "Corbynskeptics" to reject a conciliatory gesture from Corbyn after these results.

If they do - then it'll be abundantly clear to the public, even those who dislike Corbyn, that the centrists are responsible for the disloyalty and divison in the party !
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Thornberry used to be an embarrassment, but she has improved.

Abbott meanwhile is obviously to voters what fly spray is to flies, but to be fair that's why they binned her from the front benches (amidst a deliberately translucent smokescreen!!)
 
I still think Corbyn is an absolute liability as a Commons leader - disorganised, off-message and unable to manage people.

He's quite remarkable on the stump, though.
 
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Abbott and Thornberry are liabilities who were regularly fluffing up their lines in the campaign. Who knows what could've happened if Corbyn had a stronger shadow team around him ?

It will be impossible for the remaining "Corbynskeptics" to reject a conciliatory gesture from Corbyn after these results.

If they do - then it'll be abundantly clear to the public, even those who dislike Corbyn, that the centrists are responsible for the disloyalty and divison in the party !
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I thought thornberry handled things pretty well to be honest but we can agree to disagree, her ambush of damien green and her put down of the defence secretary are classics..She was robust and said what was on peoples minds. Abbott yes I agree with you, she was poor..

moving on to the "centrists", they cant be trusted, they were already plotting a leadership election but Corbyns success has stopped them for now..Corbyn needs to marginalise some of the hard core ones and hand out some fig leafs to others..
 
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I still think Corbyn is an absolute liability as a Commons leader - disorganised, off-message and unable to manage people.

He's quite remarkable on the stump, though.
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doesnt help when the guys standing behind you have daggers drawn. He was brilliant in the last few weeks of the commons and he is improving, but PM questions isnt a good judge I would say. The "disorganisation" is a result of clear sabotage and stupid intentions from the PLP. They need to get in line or make way for others.
 
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doesnt help when the guys standing behind you have daggers drawn. He was brilliant in the last few weeks of the commons and he is improving, but PM questions isnt a good judge I would say. The "disorganisation" is a result of clear sabotage and stupid intentions from the PLP. They need to get in line or make way for others.
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Once again the song of the Corbynista - they are all out of step except him, eh?

Well I would argue that if he was a capable manager they would all have fallen into step at the outset. Labourites are loyal by nature and no other has faced an attempted coup since Benn and Heifer tried to overthrow Kinnock.
 
Brilliant compilation video showing all the Blairites/Brownites/Bitterites/Soft Left Melts/Commentariat all eating humble pie last night

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What a night! Respect due to those who have seen the light. And for those that are yet to come around - there's still time.... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Election2017?src=hash">#Election2017</a> <a href="https://t.co/ZzWKwOeen3">pic.twitter.com/ZzWKwOeen3</a></p>— EL4C (@EL4JC) <a href="https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/873198548384436225">9 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Everyone is doing it. So much material...

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Corbyn's performance on Andrew Marr this morning was the best media performance from him I've seen and that's not post-election confirmation bias speaking.

Looked assured, calm, leadership material and convincing answers to every question.
 
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Corbyn's performance on Andrew Marr this morning was the best media performance from him I've seen and that's not post-election confirmation bias speaking.

Looked assured, calm, leadership material and convincing answers to every question.
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One of the rare political interviews where the interviewee is comfortably controlling the interview. Andrew Marr was clearly taken aback by the vast improvement that Corbyn has made since earlier meetings.

Usually interviews of this nature consist of the senior politician at hand getting twisted in knots, dodging questions and figuratively running for the door. Not this time.
 
Corbyn has always been a conviction politician, it's been difficult for him to have to manage the triangulation to bring the PLP/Shadow Cabinet with him in previous interviews. The rope a dope trick to get May to call a snap election and then put together that brilliant manifesto were key events in allowing himself to unshackle himself from the antiquated PLP/Labour Party policy formation process.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@JeremyCorbyn</a> through the decades - one of <a href="https://twitter.com/UKLabour">@UKLabour</a>'s most rebellious MPs whose views have remained largely unchanged in 30 years <a href="https://t.co/OXX1hZlJNm">pic.twitter.com/OXX1hZlJNm</a></p>— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) <a href="https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/873910726062211073">11 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">'Oh, Jeremy Corbyn!': how the Labour chant all started <a href="https://t.co/w13KDOjKuQ">pic.twitter.com/w13KDOjKuQ</a></p>— The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/874255958880530433">12 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Corbyn receives a standing ovation from the PLP as he enters Commons

My how times change

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jeremy Corbyn gets standing ovation as he comes into Commons for first time since the election <a href="https://t.co/6mZQxVhMvp">pic.twitter.com/6mZQxVhMvp</a></p>— Esther Webber (@estwebber) <a href="https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/874619617620230147">13 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Theresa May's net favourability score plummets to -34 - about the level Corbyn was on in November <a href="https://t.co/F42LapVcLL">https://t.co/F42LapVcLL</a> <a href="https://t.co/3FlQ5w0S5c">pic.twitter.com/3FlQ5w0S5c</a></p>— YouGov (@YouGov) <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/875346009790054400">15 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Been impressed with Andrew Gwynne's media performances.

His stock will be high in the party after running a very successful campaign. Could be a future leader.
 
Asked why he hasn't brought back Yvette Cooper, Corbyn says he hasn't yet filled some of the junior ministerial shadow roles so watch this space. Haha brilliant.
 
This is brilliant

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Monbiot who was one of the worst 'melts' in the Guardian...

The commentariat are pathetic and clueless

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">George Monbiot on Corbyn: Sticking to Principles and Offering a Clear Alternative is What People Want. Hear hear!!! <a href="https://t.co/5ik81EQmD9">pic.twitter.com/5ik81EQmD9</a></p>— EL4C (@EL4JC) <a href="https://twitter.com/EL4JC/status/877117689231278080">20 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Jeremy Corbyn has asserted his authority over Labour by sacking frontbenchers who were among the 50 MPs who defied the whip and backed the UK staying in the single market. The MPs - who comprise one fifth of Corbyn’s party in the Commons - were voting for an amendment to the Queen’s speech tabled by the Labour MP Chuka Umunna which mostly supported party policy, but said explicitly the UK should remain in the single market and in the customs union. Corbyn adopted a relatively relaxed approach when pro-European shadow ministers rebelled over article 50 earlier this year but, in a sign of how the election result has strengthened his position in the party, tonight he immediately let it be know that rebel frontbenchers would be sacked. Daniel Zeichner, Andy Slaughter, Catherine West and Ruth Cadbury are giving up their shadow ministerial posts as a result. The amendment was defeated by a majority of 221, suggesting that when the Commons gets to vote on Brexit legislation later this year, there may be less support for “soft Brexit” amendments than some pro-Europeans assume. The SNP, the Lib Dems, and Plaid Cymru all solidly backed Umunna, but not a single Conservative supported him in the division.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ion-on-his-takeover-bid-for-sky-politics-live
 
Corbyn with a solid start at first PMQs after the summer recess.
 
Tories in so much disarray.

Theresa May is a lame duck.

David Davis, Boris Johnson, Liam Fox receiving derision for their perceived failures on Brexit process.

Tories attempt to re-create 'Momentum' collapsing in recriminations as the Young Tories are revealed to be the ugly hearted little fascists that we all know them to be

Jacob Rees-Mogg their 'great white hope' revealing himself to be exactly what he is an out-of-touch anachronism.
 
Good comments from Corbyn on housing at the party conference today.

Rent controls similar to those in place in many cities across the world, taxes on undeveloped land and an end to forced gentrification and social cleansing all put forward.
 
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Markhor said:
Good comments from Corbyn on housing at the party conference today.

Rent controls similar to those in place in many cities across the world, taxes on undeveloped land and an end to forced gentrification and social cleansing all put forward.
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Or Corbyn is selling another gimmick which is known to fail in the real world

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/19/why-stockholm-housing-rules-rent-control-flat

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2000/06/07/opinion/reckonings-a-rent-affair.html?referer=
 
I think the Establishment are coming to conclusion Corbyn is now inevitable.

The Tories are a busted flush who gave us Brexit and are going to tank the economy. They will split and be out of power for a generation. Only game in town is a united Labour Party which has won the ideological battle and has fresh new ideas for making society better.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Westminster voting intention:<br><br>LAB: 43% (+1)<br>CON: 39% (-2)<br>LDEM: 7% (-)<br><br>via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouGov">@YouGov</a>, 22 - 24 Sep<br>h/t <a href="https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes">@SamCoatesTimes</a></p>— Britain Elects (@britainelects) <a href="https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/912784157046165504">26 September 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I wrote about your centrist dad and his awful twitter account in my first ever piece for <a href="https://twitter.com/EsquireUK?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@EsquireUK</a> <a href="https://t.co/EZOJgQD3Ih">https://t.co/EZOJgQD3Ih</a></p>— Abi Wilkinson &#55356;&#57143; (@AbiWilks) <a href="https://twitter.com/AbiWilks/status/913444799793057793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28 September 2017</a></blockquote>
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Jon Bin Lansman Al-Britani gets my vote

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Yanis Varoufakis's second language is English, yet he speaks so much more articulately than many progressives here in their native language.

Fantastic articulation of UK's need for a public investment bank on Question Time last night - which actually had a better panel and audience than usual.
 
Brilliant

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yanis Varoufakis: "UK is chronically under-investing in Research & Development, compared to competitors in Europe."<br><br>Yanis Varoufakis backs Labour's Investment Plans: "We need a public investment bank to work side by side in UK...and only Jeremy Corbyn will do it." <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bbcqt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bbcqt</a> <a href="https://t.co/JvFqDDfnAB">pic.twitter.com/JvFqDDfnAB</a></p>— Corbynator (@Corbynator2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Corbynator2/status/936399110214750214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1 December 2017</a></blockquote>
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A green investment bank was set up by the Lib Dems in Coalition but the Tories have since sold it to private hands.
 
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Brilliant

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yanis Varoufakis: "UK is chronically under-investing in Research & Development, compared to competitors in Europe."<br><br>Yanis Varoufakis backs Labour's Investment Plans: "We need a public investment bank to work side by side in UK...and only Jeremy Corbyn will do it." <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bbcqt?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#bbcqt</a> <a href="https://t.co/JvFqDDfnAB">pic.twitter.com/JvFqDDfnAB</a></p>— Corbynator (@Corbynator2) <a href="https://twitter.com/Corbynator2/status/936399110214750214?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1 December 2017</a></blockquote>
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Good stuff, also notable that DD was keen to cut him off at every opportunity, disrupting his flow and thus the applause. I also really dislike Chukka, is there a more smug or cowardly little weasel in the Labour Party?
 
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Good stuff, also notable that DD was keen to cut him off at every opportunity, disrupting his flow and thus the applause. I also really dislike Chukka, is there a more smug or cowardly little weasel in the Labour Party?
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I agree to a certain extent but it's hard to take the word of a representative of the government that turned Greece into a basket case economy.
 
Typical nonsense from a blinkered Lib Dem Hard Remainer who doesn't take responsibility of Lib Dem propping up Tories 2010-15 enabling the 2016 Brexit vote.

The Greek problems are long term structural societal issues not ones that could be sorted by a new one term Party given the financial strictures imposed by the EU and financial markets
 
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I agree to a certain extent but it's hard to take the word of a representative of the government that turned Greece into a basket case economy.
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Greece was destroyed long before Syriza came to power, primarily by the ECB to protect German banks.
 
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Typical nonsense from a blinkered Lib Dem Hard Remainer who doesn't take responsibility of Lib Dem propping up Tories 2010-15 enabling the 2016 Brexit vote.

The Greek problems are long term structural societal issues not ones that could be sorted by a new one term Party given the financial strictures imposed by the EU and financial markets
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As soon as you start the insults you lose the argument.

BTW I joined the Lib Dems after the Coalition, during which I voted Labour.
 
Why does he keep saying we cannot have SM access if we leave the EU? We can. Surely Sir Keir has explained this to him by now?
 
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Why does he keep saying we cannot have SM access if we leave the EU? We can. Surely Sir Keir has explained this to him by now?
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We cannot have single market access without free movement of people. No other country (Norway, Switzerland) can do this so why would the EU allow Britain to do so? We cannot have our cake and eat it.

And if we carry on with free movement then what was the point in leaving in the first place. People like Starmer know full well what this would mean - they are just too gutless to say it. Instead of saying 'I think the referendum result was wrong, lets fight to stay in the EU' they come up with roundabout ways to stay in the EU by the backdoor.
 
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We cannot have single market access without free movement of people. No other country (Norway, Switzerland) can do this so why would the EU allow Britain to do so? We cannot have our cake and eat it.
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Sure. What's wrong with free movement? We have it now, after all.
 
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Sure. What's wrong with free movement? We have it now, after all.
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In other words you just want to ignore the referendum result and carry on as we are now? Fair enough but why not just come out and say it.

Free movement of people doesn't bother me as it doesn't impact on my life (okay it's not perfect but the benefits outweigh the negatives for the nation) but those who voted for Brexit won the referendum and they don't want free movement of people from the EU into Britain. I know people will say 'but that wasn't on the ballot' but it's pretty obvious what Brexit voters were voting for back in June 2016, at least the fundamentals of voting 'out' were obvious - no free movement, no supremacy of EU courts over UK courts etc.

At least Corbyn isn't being disingenuous about the whole thing unlike people like Keir and Chuka.
 
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In other words you just want to ignore the referendum result and carry on as we are now? Fair enough but why not just come out and say it.

Free movement of people doesn't bother me as it doesn't impact on my life (okay it's not perfect but the benefits outweigh the negatives for the nation) but those who voted for Brexit won the referendum and they don't want free movement of people from the EU into Britain. I know people will say 'but that wasn't on the ballot' but it's pretty obvious what Brexit voters were voting for back in June 2016, at least the fundamentals of voting 'out' were obvious - no free movement, no supremacy of EU courts over UK courts etc.

At least Corbyn isn't being disingenuous about the whole thing unlike people like Keir and Chuka.
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Corbyn is being entirely disingenuous. Either that, or he simply doesn’t understand the various permutations of EU, EEA, EFTA and Schengen.

The referendum result was to leave the EU. But think in practical terms - Hard Brexit means the economy will crash, the fascists will start to march and our ethnic minorities will face persecution as Britain becomes a horrible place.

But the way to stop all that happening is to maintain prosperity - stay in the CU and SM, which we can do by joining EFTA/EEA. Even leading Brexiteers such as Hannan and Banks said so. And we will be out of the ECJ.
 
Apparently even John McTernan has gone Lefty now and joined Momentum.

Red Wave.
 
He's out of his depth this one dimensional income tax loving scrounger!

#WarTory #Strong_Stable #VoteTory
 
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Apparently even John McTernan has gone Lefty now and joined Momentum.

Red Wave.
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McTernan is a snake. He hasn't recanted his terrible right wing views, he has simply joined Momentum to try to destabilise it from within
 
Talk on LBC of a “seismic” Corbyn speech coming up.

If, as a result of the recent poll of Labour supporters, is he about to switch Labour’s position to retaining CU membership, maybe even SM?

Might give Labour a bump in the polls, as their Leave stance has seen them lose support.
 
Robert said:
Talk on LBC of a “seismic” Corbyn speech coming up.

If, as a result of the recent poll of Labour supporters, is he about to switch Labour’s position to retaining CU membership, maybe even SM?

Might give Labour a bump in the polls, as their Leave stance has seen them lose support.
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Sounds like wishful thinking on the part of you EU-philes Robert. I know it’s tough but one day you guys will have to finally accept that we’re leaving the EU in its entirety.

If the hardcore EU lovers had spent half as much energy, that they now do whining about Brexit, on the actual referendum campaign then maybe the loons like Boris, Hannan and Co wouldn’t have won the Brexit argument in the first place.

Why would Corbyn want to change his position? I mean just look at his poll numbers, he’s consistently neck and neck (or ahead) of the Government. Why change a successful formula for an untried one?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_United_Kingdom_general_election
 
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Corbyn is a long-time Leave supporter and is supported by many soft Eurosceptics. With the Labour Party solidifying its recently rediscovered left-wing status by the week, I highly doubt he will renege on this.
 
Nonsense. That Hard Remain b.s. line has the Liberal Democrats at 7% and you think somehow Labour would have a 15% poll boost from taking that stupid and anti-democratic position ?

Where would that 15% come from ? The politically illiterate 7% who support the Lib Dems ? From the Tories ? From UKIP ? If you believe that you are hopelessly deluded.
 
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Nonsense. That Hard Remain b.s. line has the Liberal Democrats at 7% and you think somehow Labour would have a 15% poll boost from taking that stupid and anti-democratic position ?

Where would that 15% come from ? The politically illiterate 7% who support the Lib Dems ? From the Tories ? From UKIP ? If you believe that you are hopelessly deluded.
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If you read what I posted carefully, you will see that I said that a Leader with Centrist appeal would have a fifteen point lead over the hopeless Tories. A lot of older people who have seen a few PMs come and go are leaning right, not because they are naturally Tories but because they don't think Corbyn is PM material.

And you must admit that the bulk of the Labour membership is for Remain or at least a softer Brexit than the Leadership.

And you know that a lot of Labour voters thought Labour was for Remain last year, and that Corbyn has since lost support over this.

And as you very well know, the Lib Dem position is not "hard Remain" but to give the people a vote on whatever awful deal this useless Government stitches us all up with.
 
Robert said:
If you read what I posted carefully, you will see that I said that a Leader with Centrist appeal would have a fifteen point lead over the hopeless Tories. A lot of older people who have seen a few PMs come and go are leaning right, not because they are naturally Tories but because they don't think Corbyn is PM material.

And you must admit that the bulk of the Labour membership is for Remain or at least a softer Brexit than the Leadership.

And you know that a lot of Labour voters thought Labour was for Remain last year, and that Corbyn has since lost support over this.

And as you very well know, the Lib Dem position is not "hard Remain" but to give the people a vote on whatever awful deal this useless Government stitches us all up with.
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But those Labour Centrists couldn't even convince their own party to vote for them let alone the country in TWO leadership elections.

Nowadays politics is about motivating your own side than persuading the other side. The number of swing voters are dwindling. The vast majority of people in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland are in Camp A or Camp B (Labour/Tory or Unionist/Nationalist).
 
Markhor said:
But those Labour Centrists couldn't even convince their own party to vote for them let alone the country in TWO leadership elections.

Nowadays politics is about motivating your own side than persuading the other side. The number of swing voters are dwindling. The vast majority of people in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland are in Camp A or Camp B (Labour/Tory or Unionist/Nationalist).
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I don’t see this. Party memberships don’t reflect the electorate. If Andy Burnham was Labour Leader then his party would be ahead by miles - and I’d still vote Labour.
 
Robert said:
I don’t see this. Party memberships don’t reflect the electorate. If Andy Burnham was Labour Leader then his party would be ahead by miles - and I’d still vote Labour.
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What kind of Labour would it be though? The Tories have moved firmly to the right since the end of their liberal politics in the Coalition in 2015, and Labour correspondingly further to the left, whereas Burnham would occupy the social-democratic centre. Given this new-old-school left/right dichotomy I wonder if there is a place for a centrist Labour Party at the moment.
 
James said:
What kind of Labour would it be though? The Tories have moved firmly to the right since the end of their liberal politics in the Coalition in 2015, and Labour correspondingly further to the left, whereas Burnham would occupy the social-democratic centre. Given this new-old-school left/right dichotomy I wonder if there is a place for a centrist Labour Party at the moment.
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It appears to work in Scotland....
 
Galloway: Labour’s volunteered to kill off Brexit, they’ll be labelled ‘betrayers’

by George Galloway
February 25, 2018

Sir Keir Starmer is an excellent backstabber. Nobody knows that better than Jeremy Corbyn who has just been led by the nose by him like a beast to the slaughter in what Frank Field the Labour MP has described as a “deadly electoral trap”.

Starmer was a key conspirator in the coup against Corbyn in 2016, resigning from the Shadow Cabinet in the most insulting and wounding way. Yet Corbyn, it is clear, has been led by the QC MP into an actual U-Turn – and one which ineluctably will lead to a second and thereafter, why not, a third.

Labour has now volunteered to be the executioner of Brexit, Theresa May, to her considerable relief no doubt, will be the champion of the 17.4 million betrayed. The stage is set.

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The label “betrayer” will be pinned to the back of every Labour MP (virtually none will be “deselected”) in the 70% of Labour-held constituencies which voted Leave in the referendum and the many others which Labour came close to winning in 2017 and now will not.

The “stab in the back” narrative which will now be spun by the Tories and their press backers will be overwhelmingly powerful. The gratitude of the Macchiato-classes will be scant and short-lived and electorally useless in vast tracts of the country.

Theresa May will say: “I tried to leave the EU even though I didn’t agree with it, because that’s what the majority voted for. Labour and a few dozen of the drunk and the dismissed on my own benches have betrayed us. This is now a question of respecting the democratic will of the British people.”

It’s true that a very substantial number of British people don’t want to leave the EU – though less now than in the referendum in my view. The problem for Labour is that most of those live in the best-off areas of Britain, areas where paradoxically Labour is already strong. They can look forward to piling up massive majorities in Remain areas.

But 60% of parliamentary constituencies voted Leave in the Referendum, and more importantly 70% of Labour constituencies voted Leave. In those constituencies today’s move is a cloud the size of a man’s hand which will prove a harbinger of great storms to come.

This represents a defeat for Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell – whose policies for Britain cannot be implemented with Britain in the Single Market – whether they have gone along with it or not. It represents a victory for Tony Blair and his ramp within the Parliamentary Labour Party and the Labour apparatus, whose leader Ian McNicholl is shortly to re-emerge wearing the ermine robes at last.

U-turn if you want to Mr Corbyn. I and millions like me are not for turning.
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https://www.westmonster.com/galloway-labours-volunteered-kill-off-brexit-theyll-labelled-betrayers/
 
I’ve always found it puzzling why Andy Burnham is rated so highly - the guy didn’t do anything special as a minister, he twice lost a leadership election badly, he looks like an idiot (he wears too much makeup), and now he’s run away from Westminster politics.

Yet this guy is supposedly the saviour of the Labour Party?
 
Gabbar Singh said:
I’ve always found it puzzling why Andy Burnham is rated so highly - the guy didn’t do anything special as a minister, he twice lost a leadership election badly, he looks like an idiot (he wears too much makeup), and now he’s run away from Westminster politics.
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As did the other talented Cabinet Minister Sadiq Khan, and soon Dan Jarvis too. The PLP is dead to the moderates now, so it is better for them to serve the Labour movement in another way.

I feel a bit sorry for Jarvis in particular who was llikely to have become Colonel of the Parachute Regiment and future General material if he had stayed in the Army.

Well, the Army's loss is South Yorkshire's gain.
 
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] if a centrist and pro EU politician and policies is what the country is crying out for then why are the Lib Dems polling so low?
 
Corbyn about to commit biggest act of political hari kari..... vast majority of voters in labour heartland voted leave. This one act will make ukip relevant again in those areas.
 
48% voted Remain
The Hard Remainers claim their view has 'gained' in popularity since
But the Lib Dems the ONLY Hard Remain Party polls at 7%
Lib Dems are a busted flush. They don't have any real ideology, they are just Wet Tories or Tory enablers.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
[MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] if a centrist and pro EU politician and policies is what the country is crying out for then why are the Lib Dems polling so low?
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StudentFeesGATE #PublicNeverForgets #NeverForgives :mv

I know that many from their party have justifications ready but ultimately the end result resonates emphatically around the country. Once the people forget their betrayal they will give their policies a look or two, that could be another 4 or 5 years from now.
 
Robert said:
If we share the Single Market with those countries.
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Why though? The argument has always been that immigration is great for the economy regardless of a SM.

UK's economy was on the rise after 1945 though non-EU migration when the SM did not exist.
 
s28 said:
48% voted Remain
The Hard Remainers claim their view has 'gained' in popularity since
But the Lib Dems the ONLY Hard Remain Party polls at 7%
Lib Dems are a busted flush. They don't have any real ideology, they are just Wet Tories or Tory enablers.
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It’s always interesting when Remainers call for EUref2 or say that (if there was one) they would win it. As you say, looking at the hard facts and the numbers - if there was an EUref2 (won’t be) then honestly Leave would probably get even more votes than last time.

As for the Libs, when did they have an ideology? They survived as a 50-seater band when they were recipients of the protest / trash vote - then UKIP and the SNP came along and took that off them, with Labour now hoovering up the student fervour on the side as well.

Clegg’s non-campaign in 2015, when the Libs said little more than they would work with whoever gets in on a hung parliament, was extraordinarily unimaginative and arrogant, and the biggest direct cause amongst many causes of what is now our resultant long-term Tory government - we are still discussing their myriad failures 3 years later, but honestly that example tells anyone everything they need to know about this impotent non-manifesto party.
 
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