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Layla Moran MP calls for UK to recognise the state of Palestine

It's the racist Tory party which is heavily influenced by Zionism not wanting to recognise Palestine. Over 130 nations now recognise Palestine but the UK which often pretends to hold the moral high ground has not.

The sooner we get the Tories out, things will change with Corbyn.
 
It's the racist Tory party which is heavily influenced by Zionism not wanting to recognise Palestine. Over 130 nations now recognise Palestine but the UK which often pretends to hold the moral high ground has not.

The sooner we get the Tories out, things will change with Corbyn.

I don’t think he will be PM. He can’t get a poll lead over the worst Government of my lifetime, because he drives centrists to vote Tory as the lesser evil. Remain Labour members are realising he has been a Leaver all along, and are switching to Scot Nat, Lib Dem and TIG.
 
I don’t think he will be PM. He can’t get a poll lead over the worst Government of my lifetime, because he drives centrists to vote Tory as the lesser evil. Remain Labour members are realising he has been a Leaver all along, and are switching to Scot Nat, Lib Dem and TIG.

The real reason is the Zionist led media has made him into some evil person who hate Jews and will allow brown extremists into the country.

Come on Robert, one must be a complete tool to think the likes of May or Boris would be better leaders than Corbyn.
 
The real reason is the Zionist led media has made him into some evil person who hate Jews and will allow brown extremists into the country.

Come on Robert, one must be a complete tool to think the likes of May or Boris would be better leaders than Corbyn.

Tell that to poor Berger who was driven out of her Party by the racists. They accreted around Corbyn who did nothing meaningful to drive them out.

Of course they are better leaders than Corbyn. Bad as Johnson is, at least he led London as Mayor.

Bad as May is, she has held down the job of Home Secretary and PM for eight years.

Corbyn has done nothing to suggest to me that he has leadership skills. He is no leader at all but merely the figurehead of a protest movement. Not even his own PLP believe in him. 80% of them tried to eject him and a man of honour would have gone as he does not command their respect.
 
Anyway I cannot vote Tory or Labour any more as neither speaks for me now. I like Moran and hope she leads her party one day, though Swinson is probably next in line.
 
It’s about time we do so, hopefully Layla becomes the Lib Dem leader when Cable retires.
 
Tell that to poor Berger who was driven out of her Party by the racists. They accreted around Corbyn who did nothing meaningful to drive them out.

Absolute lie here fed to you by the media.

Of course they are better leaders than Corbyn. Bad as Johnson is, at least he led London as Mayor.

Yes, led London into a crisis with signing away 60+ police stations and then complaining about it years later. Great job there.

Bad as May is, she has held down the job of Home Secretary and PM for eight years.

So what? As Home Secretary she took away all private rights of citizens, legalised the selling of public data to intelligence services around the globe and allowed Islamophobia to increase across the board, Sajid Javid is now her puppet and he is doing the worst. Holding down a job is not a credit if yo udo it badly and jeopardise the country.

Corbyn has done nothing to suggest to me that he has leadership skills. He is no leader at all but merely the figurehead of a protest movement. Not even his own PLP believe in him. 80% of them tried to eject him and a man of honour would have gone as he does not command their respect.

Once again, you are just following media bias, the same media which survives off the funding of the 1%, who would never want someone who could somewhat equalise the country to come to power. Rather than criticise the man, why not actually look at the policies he wants to bring in to play?

My answers in bold.
 
My answers in bold.

Berger herself said she was driven out of Labour by racists. Is Berger lying? Some of her fellow Labour MPs believe her and say the same. Are they lying too?

As for Corbyn again I am not following the media, I am following gut feel as well as personal observation. You assume that people who criticise him only do so through media programming, which I find personally disrespectful.

In fact like most of his policies, but have zero belief in his competence to execute them. Even if he had the money, which he won’t after Brexit. And I don’t believe he will stick to the manifesto, as it is demonstrably clear that he does not follow agreed Conference policy on Brexit. So I criticise the man because I find him untrustworthy.
 
It’s about time we do so, hopefully Layla becomes the Lib Dem leader when Cable retires.

It would mean they could finally draw a line under Coalition and claim credibly to be different - a return to the Ashdown / Kennedy era - as Moran was not an MP until 2017 and is untouched by the Orange Book schism and Tory taint.
 
Tell that to poor Berger who was driven out of her Party by the racists. They accreted around Corbyn who did nothing meaningful to drive them out.

Of course they are better leaders than Corbyn. Bad as Johnson is, at least he led London as Mayor.

Bad as May is, she has held down the job of Home Secretary and PM for eight years.

Corbyn has done nothing to suggest to me that he has leadership skills. He is no leader at all but merely the figurehead of a protest movement. Not even his own PLP believe in him. 80% of them tried to eject him and a man of honour would have gone as he does not command their respect.

Johnson is a racist and May is as weak a PM you will find in history, with her pathetic handling of Brexit. She barely can stand up and I wont be surprised if one day she keels over and kicks the bucket while making another stupid speech.

If you think a racist is better than a man who wants social justice, then I will re-evaluate my opinion of your political views.
 
Berger herself said she was driven out of Labour by racists. Is Berger lying? Some of her fellow Labour MPs believe her and say the same. Are they lying too?

As for Corbyn again I am not following the media, I am following gut feel as well as personal observation. You assume that people who criticise him only do so through media programming, which I find personally disrespectful.

In fact like most of his policies, but have zero belief in his competence to execute them. Even if he had the money, which he won’t after Brexit. And I don’t believe he will stick to the manifesto, as it is demonstrably clear that he does not follow agreed Conference policy on Brexit. So I criticise the man because I find him untrustworthy.

Is your assumption that Berger can not lie?

Ok, you go off of gut feelings. As usual Robert, you fail to provide any intellectual basis for your arguments.
 
People who have successfully worked in management and leadership positions in their own professions over many years can quickly deduce that Corbyn does not possess strong ‘leadership qualities’.

Remember that he was a backbencher for decades, rebelled against the whip more than anyone else in recent memory, and finally became the party leader half by accident. He does not know how to compromise, he does not know how to calculate, and he does not even particularly know how to influence. He’s happily been a lone voice in the Commons and so has never had to teach himself how to do any of these things well - they all take years of trial & error to perfect, especially against the teeming backdrop of British public life.

Jeremy comes across as strikingly similar to the useless line managers that many of us have often found ourselves working alongside - in that he makes decisions too slowly, he struggles to clearly articulate his goals and beliefs in front of an audience, he lacks charisma, he avoids uncomfortable conversations and dodges the discussion of difficult topics like the plague (he didn’t speak to Luciana Berger for 14 months before she resigned - when a lot of the issues there could have been solved through an open & honest private chat), and most notably he is unable to unite his immediate subordinates in pursuit of a single vision and purpose.

This is not media indoctrination - these aforementioned traits are all plainly observable, and evidenced by Corbyn-Labour’s constant division, instability, and their consistently poor performance in the polls.

Look up the “Peter Principle”. It is Jeremy personified.
 
People who have successfully worked in management and leadership positions in their own professions over many years can quickly deduce that Corbyn does not possess strong ‘leadership qualities’.

Remember that he was a backbencher for decades, rebelled against the whip more than anyone else in recent memory, and finally became the party leader half by accident. He does not know how to compromise, he does not know how to calculate, and he does not even particularly know how to influence. He’s happily been a lone voice in the Commons and so has never had to teach himself how to do any of these things well - they all take years of trial & error to perfect, especially against the teeming backdrop of British public life.

Jeremy comes across as strikingly similar to the useless line managers that many of us have often found ourselves working alongside - in that he makes decisions too slowly, he struggles to clearly articulate his goals and beliefs in front of an audience, he lacks charisma, he avoids uncomfortable conversations and dodges the discussion of difficult topics like the plague (he didn’t speak to Luciana Berger for 14 months before she resigned - when a lot of the issues there could have been solved through an open & honest private chat), and most notably he is unable to unite his immediate subordinates in pursuit of a single vision and purpose.

This is not media indoctrination - these aforementioned traits are all plainly observable, and evidenced by Corbyn-Labour’s constant division, instability, and their consistently poor performance in the polls.

Look up the “Peter Principle”. It is Jeremy personified.

Being Prime Minister is nothing like being a manager in a company, otherwise many Tom, Dicks and Harry's could do the job.

Imran Khan wasnt even a politician but is seen as one of the best leaders in the history of Pakistan.

It's not like any Tory would be any better, May is a joke and Boris is bigger joke. Corbyn will have many experts to give him help and advice. You need a sincere leader who works for the people not for companies and things will get better very quickly.
 
Being Prime Minister is nothing like being a manager in a company, otherwise many Tom, Dicks and Harry's could do the job.

Imran Khan wasnt even a politician but is seen as one of the best leaders in the history of Pakistan.

It's not like any Tory would be any better, May is a joke and Boris is bigger joke. Corbyn will have many experts to give him help and advice. You need a sincere leader who works for the people not for companies and things will get better very quickly.

Imran Khan has incredible leadership qualities, both natural and learned. These were transferable from his sporting career to his political career.

Labour’s 2017 Manifesto is in fact a cracking piece of work. Corbyn should hand over this very promising policy platform to someone that will actually be able to spellbind hearts & minds and win a General Election. He is not able.
 
Imran Khan has incredible leadership qualities, both natural and learned. These were transferable from his sporting career to his political career.

Labour’s 2017 Manifesto is in fact a cracking piece of work. Corbyn should hand over this very promising policy platform to someone that will actually be able to spellbind hearts & minds and win a General Election. He is not able.

Corbyn is a much better speaker than Imran but both are very similar in their views of policies.

If the people of Britain want to keep on electing war criminals, racists and those who only care about business intersts its' their right but then they shouldn't cry when their nation is going down the toilet, which the UK is.
 
Is your assumption that Berger can not lie?

Ok, you go off of gut feelings. As usual Robert, you fail to provide any intellectual basis for your arguments.

You didn’t answer my question. As usual.
 
People who have successfully worked in management and leadership positions in their own professions over many years can quickly deduce that Corbyn does not possess strong ‘leadership qualities’.

Remember that he was a backbencher for decades, rebelled against the whip more than anyone else in recent memory, and finally became the party leader half by accident. He does not know how to compromise, he does not know how to calculate, and he does not even particularly know how to influence. He’s happily been a lone voice in the Commons and so has never had to teach himself how to do any of these things well - they all take years of trial & error to perfect, especially against the teeming backdrop of British public life.

Jeremy comes across as strikingly similar to the useless line managers that many of us have often found ourselves working alongside - in that he makes decisions too slowly, he struggles to clearly articulate his goals and beliefs in front of an audience, he lacks charisma, he avoids uncomfortable conversations and dodges the discussion of difficult topics like the plague (he didn’t speak to Luciana Berger for 14 months before she resigned - when a lot of the issues there could have been solved through an open & honest private chat), and most notably he is unable to unite his immediate subordinates in pursuit of a single vision and purpose.

This is not media indoctrination - these aforementioned traits are all plainly observable, and evidenced by Corbyn-Labour’s constant division, instability, and their consistently poor performance in the polls.

Look up the “Peter Principle”. It is Jeremy personified.

Yep.

Those as I understand it the Peter Principle involves a series of promotion where the manager remains competent until the one where he doesn’t. But this did not happen in Corbyn’s case. He never held a Cabinet position, or a junior position, or even chaired a Select Committee, because he lacks the ability to do any of these things well. Yet due to Milibands’s intent to prove that he was not a creature of the unions (which he was) the ludicrous situation we have now exists. Corbyn was catapulted from back bench to Opposition Leader having never built up management skills and now we see the grotesque rudderless chaos which has engulfed this once great party of Attlee, Bevan, Wilson, Callaghan, Smith and Brown.
 
Johnson is a racist and May is as weak a PM you will find in history, with her pathetic handling of Brexit. She barely can stand up and I wont be surprised if one day she keels over and kicks the bucket while making another stupid speech.

If you think a racist is better than a man who wants social justice, then I will re-evaluate my opinion of your political views.

Last year veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge called Corbyn a racist to his face.

I want social justice. Does that make me PM material? No it does not. And it’s revealing that you didn’t challenge me on the Corbyn incompetence question. I think that deep down you know I’m right on this.
 
Last year veteran Labour MP Margaret Hodge called Corbyn a racist to his face.

I want social justice. Does that make me PM material? No it does not. And it’s revealing that you didn’t challenge me on the Corbyn incompetence question. I think that deep down you know I’m right on this.

Every sane person knows Corbyn is not a racist lol. Are you suggesting Boris is not a racist?

No because you dont have support, Corbyn has mass support and much of it from the youth of this country. There is nothing to challenge regarding any incompetence as the other choice is once again the Tories who have proven to be incompetent.
 
Every sane person knows Corbyn is not a racist lol. Are you suggesting Boris is not a racist?

No because you dont have support, Corbyn has mass support and much of it from the youth of this country. There is nothing to challenge regarding any incompetence as the other choice is once again the Tories who have proven to be incompetent.

Nice deflection on Johnson. Yes I believe he holds racist views.

Mass support means nothing - Trump has mass support despite being a terrible President. That the current Tories are incompetent does not make Corbyn competent.

Now answer my question - you believe Margaret Hodge is insane for calling Corbyn a racist?
 
Nice deflection on Johnson. Yes I believe he holds racist views.

Mass support means nothing - Trump has mass support despite being a terrible President. That the current Tories are incompetent does not make Corbyn competent.

Now answer my question - you believe Margaret Hodge is insane for calling Corbyn a racist?

in short she is a liar and a Islamophobic racist herself. End of. We now have the sick situation in which white right wingers can call black anti-racists, racist. Only in this twisted world would that happen. Its disgraceful. Berger faced abuse no doubt but nothing compared to Diane Abbott and other BME's. but since she has been protected by her white privilege all this time she decided to leave when that privilege ,in her eyes, evaporated. To these guys any body who supports Palestine and criticises Isreal is a racist. For example if you call Israel an apartheid state, which it now is through its own leagel framework, your are called a racist. if you say that the Isreali lobby uses money to influence UK politicians you are called a racist. And now we have white brits telling BME's what racism is..Please..

I'm surprised hodge hasnt resigned yet. she needs to go too..I cant wait till we can get deselections in.

Also there is a train of though amongst labour rightwingers lead by that useless incompetent Tom Watson , that Labour is becoming too pro Muslim. I kid you not..then they call us racist..beghairats..
 
as for recognising a Palestinian state..that boat has sailed. We should instead be campaigning for a one state solution..rights for all..
 
[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] - some white and some BAME people don’t recognise antisemitism as racism because some Jews look white.

Yet in Britain antisemitism is the oldest racism of all. There were numerous pogroms here going back centuries, Merchant of Venice, Blood Libel, Protocols of the Elders of Zion and so on.

That Abbott took more racist abuse than Berger does not make the racist abuse of Berger acceptable. That’s whattabouttery again, that’s deflection, that’s straw manning, the playground ‘Everyone else did it too!’ defence, implying that two wrongs make a right.
 
Weird to see a thread about a young Liberal MP calling for recognition of Palestinian statehood dissolve into an argument about which main party is less useless and racist than the other.
 
[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] - some white and some BAME people don’t recognise antisemitism as racism because some Jews look white.

That is the problem. Racism is just one form of bigotry, but too much attention is paid to this one form while other forms of bigotry get a free pass. So as long as you don't technically classify as a racist, it is acceptable.
 
Some Kipper type asked me if I was “funded by Soros” the other day. That’s dog-whistle antisemitism. He meant “Are you a paid agent of the International Jewish Conspiracy?”
 
Recognition is just the first step. The Brits are responsible for much of the mess in the Middle East and should play an active role in trying to clean it up.
 
Recognition is just the first step. The Brits are responsible for much of the mess in the Middle East and should play an active role in trying to clean it up.

They are all in their graves. Their surviving children are all in old age. What would you have their grandchildren do?
 
[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] - some white and some BAME people don’t recognise antisemitism as racism because some Jews look white.

Yet in Britain antisemitism is the oldest racism of all. There were numerous pogroms here going back centuries, Merchant of Venice, Blood Libel, Protocols of the Elders of Zion and so on.

That Abbott took more racist abuse than Berger does not make the racist abuse of Berger acceptable. That’s whattabouttery again, that’s deflection, that’s straw manning, the playground ‘Everyone else did it too!’ defence, implying that two wrongs make a right.

Thats not what i meant. I mean to say the reaction to Abbotts abuse and to that of bergers is totally different. One is brushed off as if to say "well she's a so and so therefore asked for it" while the other is ,rightly, objected to. There is a double standard. All racism is abhorrent but there are sections within british society that see some racism as acceptable e.g. islamaphobia and other racism unacceptable..

thats the point. And I have to say if luciana is walking down a street nobody is gonna use the N word or P word for her. Nobody will discriminate unconsciously towards her at work, etc. Visible BME's get the short end of the stick..

and margaret Hodge is an opportunist and war monger who hates Muslims..
 
Nice deflection on Johnson. Yes I believe he holds racist views.

Mass support means nothing - Trump has mass support despite being a terrible President. That the current Tories are incompetent does not make Corbyn competent.

Now answer my question - you believe Margaret Hodge is insane for calling Corbyn a racist?

It wasnt to deflect but to compare. Racist views means he is a racist but you would still prefer him over Corbyn as PM.

Corbyns mass support is unprecidented in terms of the youth. They are the future of the nation, the old people will soon be gone and it's the young who will decided. If Corbyn came in another 15 years he would win by a landslide, too many old people foolishly thinking they are still some great empire vote for Tories.

Of course ,the woman is a clown and anybody else who believes Corbyn is a racist.
 
It wasnt to deflect but to compare. Racist views means he is a racist but you would still prefer him over Corbyn as PM.

Corbyns mass support is unprecidented in terms of the youth. They are the future of the nation, the old people will soon be gone and it's the young who will decided. If Corbyn came in another 15 years he would win by a landslide, too many old people foolishly thinking they are still some great empire vote for Tories.

Of course ,the woman is a clown and anybody else who believes Corbyn is a racist.

You’re boxing me in to Sophie’s Choice there. I would spoil my ballot paper.

The young get older and wiser and learn more and become able to spot a charlatan - one who is disingenuous about Brexit, for example.

And people age and drift to the right to protect what they have built up in their lives and some switch to Tory.
 
Thats not what i meant. I mean to say the reaction to Abbotts abuse and to that of bergers is totally different. One is brushed off as if to say "well she's a so and so therefore asked for it" while the other is ,rightly, objected to. There is a double standard. All racism is abhorrent but there are sections within british society that see some racism as acceptable e.g. islamaphobia and other racism unacceptable..

thats the point. And I have to say if luciana is walking down a street nobody is gonna use the N word or P word for her. Nobody will discriminate unconsciously towards her at work, etc. Visible BME's get the short end of the stick..

and margaret Hodge is an opportunist and war monger who hates Muslims..

But as soon as Berger puts her name on a job application she will be vulnerable to the same abuse and so her race is given equal legal protection as BAMEs, gays, disabled and trans people.

I find the abuse suffered by Abbott disgusting. I tweeted support to her.
 
Corbyn’s Labour have never been averaging greater than 35% in the polls over a long period. They were at 40% briefly but that was on the eve of the General Election when the Tories were at 45% at the same time. Certainly not “mass support”.
 
You’re boxing me in to Sophie’s Choice there. I would spoil my ballot paper.

The young get older and wiser and learn more and become able to spot a charlatan - one who is disingenuous about Brexit, for example.

And people age and drift to the right to protect what they have built up in their lives and some switch to Tory.

Some do and you are wise Robert but most old people in England are not clued up with the reality of todays world. Young people are the way forward now, they are much smater than the old people as they have access to far more information. They realise Corbyn is a man of the people not of businesses or foriegn states. They understand Brexit is such a mess but its Corbyn who has stopped May from exiting with a terrible deal for the UK.
 
Corbyn’s Labour have never been averaging greater than 35% in the polls over a long period. They were at 40% briefly but that was on the eve of the General Election when the Tories were at 45% at the same time. Certainly not “mass support”.

His support amongst the youth is unprecidented. It's the old fogeys with a backward mentality, sipping their tea with a portrait of Churchill hanging over them who are mainly support the Tories, along with the snobs and racists. Dont worry when these old folk are in the graves things will change in the UK. Shame JC wont be around then but im sure due to him others will rise up.
 
Corbyn’s Labour have never been averaging greater than 35% in the polls over a long period. They were at 40% briefly but that was on the eve of the General Election when the Tories were at 45% at the same time. Certainly not “mass support”.

they were at 24% before the elections. Once Jeremy's message gets across the british people are open to it. The tories can offer nothing to counter it. he will campaign we all know he is a great campaigner. All he needs is to be level pegging or near abouts before an election. Their manifesto gives hope while the tories and the rest cant. if you want things to carry on as they are by all means go the tory way. i for one am tired of seeing where the country is headed..The tories have failed, new labour have failed..time to try something else..
 
Some do and you are wise Robert but most old people in England are not clued up with the reality of todays world. Young people are the way forward now, they are much smater than the old people as they have access to far more information. They realise Corbyn is a man of the people not of businesses or foriegn states. They understand Brexit is such a mess but its Corbyn who has stopped May from exiting with a terrible deal for the UK.

He’s a man of a different set of foreign states to the ones you mean.

He says you have to talk to people you disagree with. So it’s interesting that he stands on a platform with Hamas, but stomps out of an emergency Brexit meeting with the PM and party leaders because China Umunna was there.

That’s not adult behaviour. It’s what you’d expect of a bad tempered child.

Not a man of the people, but a man who puts dogma ahead of people.
 
Corbyn’s Labour have never been averaging greater than 35% in the polls over a long period. They were at 40% briefly but that was on the eve of the General Election when the Tories were at 45% at the same time. Certainly not “mass support”.

To get elected Labour have to pull soft Tory voters in. Just one leader has managed this in forty years - Blair.

Labour were helped hugely in 2017 by May’s robot impression and alienating her elders support base with the dementia tax, but they still didn’t win.
 
they were at 24% before the elections. Once Jeremy's message gets across the british people are open to it. The tories can offer nothing to counter it. he will campaign we all know he is a great campaigner. All he needs is to be level pegging or near abouts before an election. Their manifesto gives hope while the tories and the rest cant. if you want things to carry on as they are by all means go the tory way. i for one am tired of seeing where the country is headed..The tories have failed, new labour have failed..time to try something else..

I don’t think it will be long before we have another General Election.

My dear grandma lived through the war and put a huge value on democracy, calling it an ingenious and precious idea (one vote for each citizen).

She used to say that you should always, always exercise your right to vote, and vote for someone, failing that - still go to the polling station, spoil your ballot and write down “they’re all rubbish”!

Now I have actually always voted properly; I have voted for a number of parties in the past - but for the first time this year I’m considering pulling the “they’re all rubbish” stunt....

Still undecided. I absolutely wouldn’t go for the Tories, 100% sure of that - but not sure if I could stretch to a vote for Corbyn.

I will remain open-minded.
 
I don’t think it will be long before we have another General Election.

My dear grandma lived through the war and put a huge value on democracy, calling it an ingenious and precious idea (one vote for each citizen).

She used to say that you should always, always exercise your right to vote, and vote for someone, failing that - still go to the polling station, spoil your ballot and write down “they’re all rubbish”!

Now I have actually always voted properly; I have voted for a number of parties in the past - but for the first time this year I’m considering pulling the “they’re all rubbish” stunt....

Still undecided. I absolutely wouldn’t go for the Tories, 100% sure of that - but not sure if I could stretch to a vote for Corbyn.

I will remain open-minded.

Why cant you vote for Labour? they have offered much more than the others and this will be our chance to rid the country of the tories for at least a few years..just look around you and ask yourself..is this the country i want to live in going forward?

Im tired of the anti corbyn bakwaas..their policies are sound and they can implement them..if you can give that tory boy tony a chance corbyn deserves one too..
 
I was too young to vote for Blair when he was around.

But point taken.
 
He’s a man of a different set of foreign states to the ones you mean.

He says you have to talk to people you disagree with. So it’s interesting that he stands on a platform with Hamas, but stomps out of an emergency Brexit meeting with the PM and party leaders because China Umunna was there.

That’s not adult behaviour. It’s what you’d expect of a bad tempered child.

Not a man of the people, but a man who puts dogma ahead of people.

No he left because that emeting was for leaders of the main opposition parties. Chuka is a traitorous coward who couldnt even get appointed spokesperson for this group he set up..its not even a political party..they should not be given any chance to enter into negotiations about anything until they have a new mandate..it is undemocratic and May knew exactly what she was doing..
 
I was too young to vote for Blair when he was around.

But point taken.

I remember that time..I saw his face and knew he would be trouble..too much smiling and trying to be "cool"..yet that govt was a billion times better than any tory govt we have had..and they had major problems but they were better than this lot..Corbyns labour will be better than this lot...
 
No he left because that emeting was for leaders of the main opposition parties. Chuka is a traitorous coward who couldnt even get appointed spokesperson for this group he set up..its not even a political party..they should not be given any chance to enter into negotiations about anything until they have a new mandate..it is undemocratic and May knew exactly what she was doing..

See, that’s why I cannot vote Labour. No criticism of St Jezza allowed! It’s groupthink. It’s irrational. Not a party but a personality cult. Like with Trump supporters. No pragmatism, no attempt to form consensus, just in-group / out-group thinking with pointless invective like “traitorous coward” hurled at anyone outside the in-group.

TIG have eleven MPs until the next election and that’s the law, and they could be pivotal in any vote so must be included. Let’s see some grown-up pragmatism to prevent catastrophe, not stomping off like children.
 
See, that’s why I cannot vote Labour. No criticism of St Jezza allowed! It’s groupthink. It’s irrational. Not a party but a personality cult. Like with Trump supporters. No pragmatism, no attempt to form consensus, just in-group / out-group thinking with pointless invective like “traitorous coward” hurled at anyone outside the in-group.

TIG have eleven MPs until the next election and that’s the law, and they could be pivotal in any vote so must be included. Let’s see some grown-up pragmatism to prevent catastrophe, not stomping off like children.

their leader wasnt there. they are not a political party hence should not expect the same benefits as the main political parties. May could have set up a separate meeting with them. They should wait to register as a political party then be allowed to sit in these meetings. You talk about pragmatism, where was this call for pragmatism when they tried to "break him as a man"? Knowhere. Dont vote labour, it will be yours and the countrys loss. I am no "cultist" what a sad and pathetic thing to say? Corbyn is absolutely right to walk out when that worm Ummuna was sitting there. They have no place at any of these gatherings until they are registered as a political party. As this moment in time they are independant MP's..the TIG is not a party end of..
 
See, that’s why I cannot vote Labour. No criticism of St Jezza allowed! It’s groupthink. It’s irrational. Not a party but a personality cult. Like with Trump supporters. No pragmatism, no attempt to form consensus, just in-group / out-group thinking with pointless invective like “traitorous coward” hurled at anyone outside the in-group.

TIG have eleven MPs until the next election and that’s the law, and they could be pivotal in any vote so must be included. Let’s see some grown-up pragmatism to prevent catastrophe, not stomping off like children.

And my claim of him being a traitorous coward is entirely accurate. He stabbed his leader in the bank, after conspiring to remove him numerous times. Traitorous. And he is a coward becasue he didnt have the guts to go through a full leadership election..he stood down before it was over..hence coward..

now he talks about pragmatism? The TIG are going to be destroyed at the next election and Chuka better get used to the fact he will be a nobody very soon..
 
And my claim of him being a traitorous coward is entirely accurate. He stabbed his leader in the bank, after conspiring to remove him numerous times. Traitorous. And he is a coward becasue he didnt have the guts to go through a full leadership election..he stood down before it was over..hence coward..

now he talks about pragmatism? The TIG are going to be destroyed at the next election and Chuka better get used to the fact he will be a nobody very soon..

Whereas Corbyn stabbed his leaders in the back, attempting to unseat Smith and Blair, but you will not apply your same outrage to him though he is guilty of the exact same disloyalty. Treachery and cowardice is OK when your man does it.

Chaka knows he is likely to lose his seat (though I would not bet on it as he is Mr Streatham). Doesn’t that make him brave, standing up for what he believes and putting his career on the line?
 
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