Low ticket sales for India’s tour of Australia

[Titan24]

A poster has made a thread with topic related to low attendance in Australia and India test and some obsessed neighbors are irrelevantly bringing in Pakistani team and players in the thread.

Seriously if you guys have any insight related to the thread good enough, kindly dont make this place battleground of infant keyboard warriors.

 

[Napa]

A poster has made a thread with topic related to low attendance in Australia and India test and some obsessed neighbors are irrelevantly bringing in Pakistani team and players in the thread.

Seriously if you guys have any insight related to the thread good enough, kindly dont make this place battleground of infant keyboard warriors.

You should do a minimum of research before you make such posts. Go to the first page of this thread and hit ctrl-F. Then type Pakistan into the search box. You will see that the first posts with the word Pakistan are made by the following posters, none of whom are from India: suleiman gazza619 barah_admi junaids

 

[barah_admi]

I don't really think the low ticket sales have anything to do with India touring, but rather because the Australian public is disengaged with cricket. That's a combination of sandpapergate and the disgraceful new tv rights deal that handed the crown jewels to Fox. They have made it harder to stream the action online as well, as you would need subscriptions to all sorts of add-on services. The people running CA are absolute imbeciles.

Yes TV deals are why fans are not attending the venue....that makes so much sense.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Yes TV deals are why fans are not attending the venue....that makes so much sense.

It does when the cricket culture of that country is closely entrenched with an iconic broadcaster that gave breath to the game and probably publicized it better than any PR firm imaginable. The loss of Channel 9 was felt during the ODI matches against SA, which are generally well-attended, but talking with people in Australia, they didn't know that the matches were even played. There are also those who feel that CA have sold out the game at a time when it was in crisis and now don't want anything to do with putting money into their coffers.

Of course, all of this will change and you'll see the crowds flocking in once the school holidays start and the Big Bash is on.

 

[happydavy]

Why are fans taking it so personally? If India tour doesn't bring in even a single dollar for Australia then how does it affect any Indian fans interest in watching the game? It's for bcci and acb to worry, why get into financial matters of boards when they aren't paying you anything. I can't care less who makes or who doesn't.

Test cricket is on decline and Australia is the newest example. With india's timid approach of not playing day night test match, the ground attendance will be even less. Anyway, the recent SA Aus ODI series had less crowd than you would watch in a world cup warm up game, so Australians obviously are losing interest in cricket. And frankly speaking too much of Indian crowd in foreign grounds is a dampener as there's no fun in watching Australia playing like a visiting team in their own grounds.

 

[happydavy]

If India invites Pakistan for test cricket I would guarantee a packed house for day 1 to day 5 at any venue.

Test cricket has suffered a lot due to no test cricket between India and Pakistan.

Yeah but it would be only for the first series because of novelty factor. If Pakistan visits India again within 2 yrs then grounds will be half empty. The rivarly is there but there comes a point in time when people prefer to follow the rivalry on TV or on check the scorecard on net rather than getting baked inside the stadiums.

 

[90MPH]

It’s probably a mixture of reasons.

Sandpaper gate was a big disaster for Australia but that alone can not be the reason as they have had many controversies in the past and the Australian public just either ignored it or shrugged their shoulders.

It’s probably more to do with far too much cricket especially the nonsensical 20/20 rubbish which means you give the public a choice on what they watch especially if cricket is not their first choice sport.

Also day night cricket should be encouraged as it means more crowds. The Indian board should stop putting roadblocks like they were to DRS technology. The game evolves so they should go along with it.

 

[sjahmed23]

Is India playing in Australia even a competition?

 

[octavian]

The most underwhelming opening day of the first test match of australian summer I have seen in the past 3-4 years.

Clearly, Ind v Aus isn't the rivalry they keep harping about.

 

[Sachin136]

The most underwhelming opening day of the first test match of australian summer I have seen in the past 3-4 years.

Clearly, Ind v Aus isn't the rivalry they keep harping about.

But we haven't even seen 30 overs yet. I thought a day was 90 overs long.

 

[octavian]

But we haven't even seen 30 overs yet. I thought a day was 90 overs long.

My point wasn't about the cricket being played but the atmosphere and attendance at the ground.

 

[Junaids]

Why are fans taking it so personally? If India tour doesn't bring in even a single dollar for Australia then how does it affect any Indian fans interest in watching the game? It's for bcci and acb to worry, why get into financial matters of boards when they aren't paying you anything. I can't care less who makes or who doesn't.

Test cricket is on decline and Australia is the newest example. With india's timid approach of not playing day night test match, the ground attendance will be even less. Anyway, the recent SA Aus ODI series had less crowd than you would watch in a world cup warm up game, so Australians obviously are losing interest in cricket. And frankly speaking too much of Indian crowd in foreign grounds is a dampener as there's no fun in watching Australia playing like a visiting team in their own grounds.

The most underwhelming opening day of the first test match of australian summer I have seen in the past 3-4 years.

Clearly, Ind v Aus isn't the rivalry they keep harping about.

But Test cricket isn’t in decline in Australia.

In the last four years the following touring teams have all had record-breaking Test attendances in Australia.

New Zealand
South Africa
Pakistan
England.

The only team selling less tickets than ever is India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

JunaidS keeps trying to twist facts but the men who matter and run cricket do not agree with him.

Why? Because they work on facts and the numbers behind those facts. Not half truths.

 

[Mamba Red]

Well obviously Aussie crowds don't like India touring here, in 2014 there was only 24,000 at the ground for the first day.

 

[Junaids]

Well, Day 1 has been even worse than feared for India fans.

Compare these Adelaide figures for the last four Test matches:

India Day 1 attendance 2018: 23,802.
England Day 1 attendance 2017: 55,317.
South Africa Day 1 attendance 2016: 32,255.
New Zealand Day 1 attendance 2015: 47,441.

In fact, the demand for watching India has been so bad that they were watched by less fans than watched Day 1 of Pakistan’s series in Australia 2 years ago at a ground (Brisbane) where average attendances are 60% lower than at Adelaide!

So India’s low status as a visiting team is now formally on record for all to see.

 

[Junaids]

Like, who cares dude ?????? One India trip will fill up ACB's savings account more than what they would earn combined from a New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan & England tour.. Again another Pakistani with personal issues when mentioning India, You need help, you need to see a shrink and sort yourself out. It really is not worth it, dont let India do this to you, you are better than that....

Cricket Australia’s coffers are filled by an India tour.

Not the hotels.

Not the airlines.

Not the restaurants.

Not the shops.

It’s now official: as expected, India has delivered the lowest Day 1 Adelaide crowd since the last tour by......India.

And lower Day 1 sales than for any of Pakistan’s three Tests in Australia two years ago.

 

[Junaids]

So both India and Pakistan have set crowd records for the First Day of the First Test of the latest tours to Australia.

Two years ago, Misbah’s Pakistan achieved the HIGHEST ever attendance for a non-Ashes Test at Brisbane.

Source: https://m.hindustantimes.com/cricke...-night-test/story-1TtijKnfyzmwsoUf82WZ0M.html

Now, two years later, Virat Kohli’s India has set the record for the LOWEST ever Day 1 Test attendance since the redevelopment of the Adelaide Oval.

 

[Junaids]

Why don't u understand that their 2 main players aren't playing.
I will never go to watch an odi if kohli and rohit are not playing.
I"ll never be interested in watching a test match in which kohli and pujara aren't playing. Players attract the crowd and aus is missing some stars.
As far as pakistan is concerned who do u think were bigger names than kohli in that 2016 tour of pak?

And when Pakistan toured, South Africa had just bowled Australia out for 85, with Steyn out injured and Kyle Abbott leading the attack.

I think English and Aussie and South African fans view India and Pakistan as much of a muchness. But Pakistan have better quick bowlers traditionally.

And unlike India, Pakistan play Day/Night Tests and attract big crowds.

 

[cricketindiafan]

24000 on a day when temperatures touched nearly 40 was not bad at all.

As the SACA Chairman said, the number for India's last test in 2014 at Adelaide of 113000 will be topped.

 

[RainMan_]

And when Pakistan toured, South Africa had just bowled Australia out for 85, with Steyn out injured and Kyle Abbott leading the attack.

I think English and Aussie and South African fans view India and Pakistan as much of a muchness. But Pakistan have better quick bowlers traditionally.

And unlike India, Pakistan play Day/Night Tests and attract big crowds.

So, Australians don't consider India as an worthy opponent, right? Otherwise I don't see any reason for such a small crowd. What's ur take in this Junaids Bro. Do u think that Indians aren't getting respected as the no 1 team by the Australian Supporters or is there any other reason.

U can also ask our resident Australian Mamba Red about how he feels about this Indian team.

 

[Junaids]

24000 on a day when temperatures touched nearly 40 was not bad at all.

As the SACA Chairman said, the number for India's last test in 2014 at Adelaide of 113000 will be topped.

That’s always the temperature in Adelaide in December.

I’ve been to the last three Adelaide Tests, but I’m only interested in attending Day/Night Tests there.

 

[Junaids]

So, Australians don't consider India as an worthy opponent, right? Otherwise I don't see any reason for such a small crowd. What's ur take in this Junaids Bro. Do u think that Indians aren't getting respected as the no 1 team by the Australian Supporters or is there any other reason.

U can also ask our resident Australian Mamba Red about how he feels about this Indian team.

I don’t think any Aussies (or English people) consider the rankings to mean anything currently - they just reflect India’s dominance at home and the fact that they aren’t deducted points for refusing to play Pakistan.

Aussies don’t like or respect India. They don’t “love to hate” them like England or South Africa, they just consider them to be a team of brash upstarts who think they are better than they really are.

And apart from Kohli, no one in Australia knows any other Indian players - and they think that Kohli is obnoxious and arrogant.

India has lost 6 overseas Tests this year already.

 

[ibykhan2020]

Test matches are boring and its the most boring tuk tuk format. Get rid of it. If odis and twenty20 had been scrapped 95percent of test matches will have more players and officials in the game than the crowd.

 

[RainMan_]

I don’t think any Aussies (or English people) consider the rankings to mean anything currently - they just reflect India’s dominance at home and the fact that they aren’t deducted points for refusing to play Pakistan.

Aussies don’t like or respect India. They don’t “love to hate” them like England or South Africa, they just consider them to be a team of brash upstarts who think they are better than they really are.

And apart from Kohli, no one in Australia knows any other Indian players - and they think that Kohli is obnoxious and arrogant.

India has lost 6 overseas Tests this year already.

An excellent post. Totally agree with u. Junaids, u have been following cricket for a long time. Have u ever seen a ranked No 1 team to get thrashed in such manner? Just look at their performance in SA and ENG. How will u explain such poor performances from the so called no 1 team.

Is ranking becoming totally pointless?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

I am all ears for your pearls of wisdom. Exercise your braincells, let me see what you've got.

Ask yourself this....

What event in 2017 did they come to see? I can't think of anything that seems plausible.

If somehow they came to see this phantom popular sports events then how come they haven't come to see the test in Adelaide in more numbers?

Does this get you going in thinking more rationally and less emotionally?

 

[Junaids]

An excellent post. Totally agree with u. Junaids, u have been following cricket for a long time. Have u ever seen a ranked No 1 team to get thrashed in such manner? Just look at their performance in SA and ENG. How will u explain such poor performances from the so called no 1 team.

Is ranking becoming totally pointless?

If you consider the example of football, the ICC should award both home and away Test series between India and Pakistan as 3-0 victories to Pakistan, and then we would be spared this ludicrous spectacle of a team of Kohli Plus Ten Nobodies holding a Fake Number 1 Ranking.

The reality is simple: Test cricket is the weakest it has been since the mid-1960’s, and Australia, England, India, New Zealand, Pakistan and South Africa are all roughly equally rubbish, especially away.

India’s ranking obviously makes us laugh in England and South Africa because they have been slaughtered on tour to both countries this year. But when you realise that the BCCI’s influence led to them not losing ranking points for refusing to play Pakistan, you realise that the ranking is Fake anyway.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

It’s really simple.

Because host cricket boards get good Indian TV revenue from hosting India, the English and Aussie public have to suffer excessively frequent series against them.

On their previous Test tours of England, India lost 3-1 and Pakistan drew 2-2.

But this year because a single stakeholder - the ECB - makes more money from hosting India, Pakistan got 2 Tests - which they drew 1-1 - while India got 5 matches and were predictably stuffed out of sight 4-1.

As today’s comparison of attendances show, the other stakeholders earn no more money from hosting India, and actually a lot less because they finalise schedules too late for sports tourism and then refuse to play Day/Night matches.

We endlessly hear this nonsense that India is Box Office Dynamite. And yet the facts tell a different story - a tour by India attracts half as many spectators as New Zealand and around 40% of the spectators that England pull in.

Interesting. why doesn't the Aussie public like India?

 

[cricketindiafan]

Ask yourself this....

What event in 2017 did they come to see? I can't think of anything that seems plausible.

If somehow they came to see this phantom popular sports events then how come they haven't come to see the test in Adelaide in more numbers?

Does this get you going in thinking more rationally and less emotionally?

Sport-obsessed fans from India injected a massive $1.2 billion dollars in the past 12 months to Australia while visiting for the last tour.

And while many will have been disappointed after torrential rain saw Day One of the tour cancelled in Sydney on Wednesday, the tourism sector is expecting even more fans to arrive this season.

“Really a lot of people from India come to Australia just to see the cricket season,” Margy Osmond, CEO of the Tourism and Transport Forum told Your Money Live.

“[Cricketers] have a huge following and so do their partners,” she said.

Osmond explained that while the players draw big crowds, their wives are also a big deal in India.

“The whole Indian WAGs scene is really fascinating,” she said, using the acronym for wives and girlfriends of sportspersons.

While many Indian tourists schedule visits to Australia in time to watch their favourite game, most stay for more than a month and engage in other tourist activities during that time, according to Osmond.

And while its a boon for the tourism industry, other Australian sectors also benefit from these visits.

“It means that more people are going to be sending their kids to school here or [they’ll] buy Australian products when they get back home,” she said.

“So, the larger ramifications of somebody coming here for a visit for whatever reason are terrific,” she added. “This is a growth trend and we’re going to be seeing more and more of it.”.

Indian tourists are Australia’s fastest growing tourism sector. In the last 12 months alone, the number of visitors has grown by 21 per cent to just over 300,000 annually.

Although they tend to spend less on average during their stay than other groups, that too is growing quickly than

Read the highlighted bits, read the post where I linked this article again, go back a few more posts, understand the context, connect a few things logically and then we'll talk.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Interesting. why doesn't the Aussie public like India?

He is trolling. I live in Aus as well, Aus fans they dont care about cricket in a personal way, they dont take it personally like Indians and Pakistanis...

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

It’s really simple.

Because host cricket boards get good Indian TV revenue from hosting India, the English and Aussie public have to suffer excessively frequent series against them.

On their previous Test tours of England, India lost 3-1 and Pakistan drew 2-2.

But this year because a single stakeholder - the ECB - makes more money from hosting India, Pakistan got 2 Tests - which they drew 1-1 - while India got 5 matches and were predictably stuffed out of sight 4-1.

As today’s comparison of attendances show, the other stakeholders earn no more money from hosting India, and actually a lot less because they finalise schedules too late for sports tourism and then refuse to play Day/Night matches.

We endlessly hear this nonsense that India is Box Office Dynamite. And yet the facts tell a different story - a tour by India attracts half as many spectators as New Zealand and around 40% of the spectators that England pull in.

You created a thread on low attendance in aus and u are talking about results of eng tour.
What about the last time pak toured aus?
Who was more competitive india or pak?
Pakistan hasn't won a match in 20 years in aus and u want them to get more matches than india.
On the other hand india draw a series in 2003 and was highly competitive in 2007.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

With all due respect this seems a disingenuous and rather pointless thread.

 

[RainMan_]

With all due respect this seems a disingenuous and rather pointless thread.

It was an eye opener for me at least. I have to say, this thread is an excellent data driven, fact based thread. I didn't even know Australia takes India so lightly. But it looks like Australians would rather enjoy a test against Eng Or NZ rather than one sided bore fest against India.

 

[Junaids]

You created a thread on low attendance in aus and u are talking about results of eng tour.
What about the last time pak toured aus?
Who was more competitive india or pak?
Pakistan hasn't won a match in 20 years in aus and u want them to get more matches than india.
On the other hand india draw a series in 2003 and was highly competitive in 2007.

I answered this question a dozen posts ago.

Pakistan’s last tour of Australia was two years ago. And I posted an article from the Hindustan Times: the First Test at the Gabba between Australia and Pakistan in December 2016 got the highest ever Brisbane attendance for Day 1 of a non-Ashes Test.

India broke a Test attendance record of their own in Australia today.

The lowest attendance for Day 1 of a Test match at the Adelaide Oval since the ground was demolished and rebuilt.

These are just facts. It turns out that Pakistan actually sold more tickets in Australia than India.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Well we are touring Australia again in 2020 for a full tour including 4 tests. Ideally we should have been the hosts but CA requested us to tour again meaning that Australia won't play a test in India for close to 6 years while we play 8 tests there within 2 years span.

CA should have asked CSA, PCB, NZC etc to tour more often but sadly they are being reduced to 2 test series every 4/5 years in the future. Earnestly hope this thread is brought to the urgent attention of CA.

 

[Pete Rose]

There’s been a lot of stuff happening offseason. Difficult to figure what might be driving these numbers. I am sure the tv rights are not impacted by this. We’ll see how the tour ends.
As a non-England/India team supporter I would be happy with this season ending with a conclusion that playing cricket exclusively with two or three teams is not viable enough as a strategy.
Oh and kudos to [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] for riling up the inmates

 

[rhony]

It’s really simple.

Because host cricket boards get good Indian TV revenue from hosting India, the English and Aussie public have to suffer excessively frequent series against them.

On their previous Test tours of England, India lost 3-1 and Pakistan drew 2-2.

But this year because a single stakeholder - the ECB - makes more money from hosting India, Pakistan got 2 Tests - which they drew 1-1 - while India got 5 matches and were predictably stuffed out of sight 4-1.

As today’s comparison of attendances show, the other stakeholders earn no more money from hosting India, and actually a lot less because they finalise schedules too late for sports tourism and then refuse to play Day/Night matches.

We endlessly hear this nonsense that India is Box Office Dynamite. And yet the facts tell a different story - a tour by India attracts half as many spectators as New Zealand and around 40% of the spectators that England pull in.

It's simple as you say but you seem to miss the point. Ticket sales are miniscule compared to television rights. India is a box office team because they generate a lot of cash for the host country. It's the sheer number of people that watch the game in India that attracts ad dollars and hence TV rights.

 

[MenInG]

If you dont like an opinion then you can argue against it - don't make personal remarks about any poster etc.

 

[latecut]

OK, ok, we get it. India is no box office draw in cricket. But then why PCB was (still is) dying to play against BCCI ? CA is hosting BCCI for exactly the same reason. Big $$$ that only an India tour brings. Why is the OP worried about the effect of poor gate attendance on Australian economy. Do not worry, CA in general and Australia in particular are getting lots of Indian tourists as of now. It is just that they are touring Ausralian tourist spots and not the ground.

 

[Buffet]

What, by quoting actual FACTS.....

Adelaide attendance figures for the last four Test matches:

India Day 1 attendance 2018: 23,802.
England Day 1 attendance 2017: 55,317.
South Africa Day 1 attendance 2016: 32,255.
New Zealand Day 1 attendance 2015: 47,441.

Any idea about last few day test in same venue? What's the point of comparing day night to day test? It was pointed to you earlier as well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Maybe they were expecting a D/N test which India cancelled because they are too afraid of the pink ball under lights

 

[Junaids]

OK, ok, we get it. India is no box office draw in cricket. But then why PCB was (still is) dying to play against BCCI ? CA is hosting BCCI for exactly the same reason. Big $$$ that only an India tour brings. Why is the OP worried about the effect of poor gate attendance on Australian economy. Do not worry, CA in general and Australia in particular are getting lots of Indian tourists as of now. It is just that they are touring Ausralian tourist spots and not the ground.

We know that only Cricket Australia is benefitting economically.

Yesterday we all saw empty stands behind the wicket which have held tens of thousands of people for the last three Tests at Adelaide.

The Adelaide InterContinental is the most popular sports stadium hotel in Australia and possibly the world. It’s just a lovely short stroll from the back door over the river to the Adelaide Oval.

It doesn’t just sell out for Test matches, it sells out for Aussie Rules games. At the time of any sporting event you struggle to get a room six months in advance for $500 per night.

It’s on sale for $150 per night for this whole Test match.

As I keep saying, it’s down to a number of factors:

1. India refused to play a Day/Night Test.

2. The Aussie public gets bored playing India too often.

3. The Aussie public views India as loud upstarts who aren’t very good.

4. Nobody has heard of any of these Indians apart from Kohli.

5. The BCCI agreed the schedule six months later than we require to book leave from work, etc.

Any idea about last few day test in same venue? What's the point of comparing day night to day test? It was pointed to you earlier as well.

Whose fault is that? It was India who insisted upon a Day Test.

So the appalling attendance figures are all their fault.

 

[Buffet]

Whose fault is that? It was India who insisted upon a Day Test.

So the appalling attendance figures are all their fault.

So your conclusion should be attendance of day night is higher than day test. But you came to totally different conclusion that Indians are not able to attract crowd. That can be only said if we compare with Day test crowd in same venue.

Who exactly cares about it? Why will Indians cares about how many Aus show up to watch. It's not as if it's UAE where 2 man and a dog shows up. If that was a situation then I can see why an issue.

 

[ikky47]

I don't think attendance is low for a day test in this venue despite sandpaper episode. 20-25K in one day is a decent crowd when temperature is 39 degrees Celsius.

Then in that case them numbers are pretty good bearing in mind the temperature. In contrast to similar conditions in Abu Dhabi where I am sure there are no more than 50 people in the stands.

 

[topspin]

We know that only Cricket Australia is benefitting economically.

Yesterday we all saw empty stands behind the wicket which have held tens of thousands of people for the last three Tests at Adelaide.

The Adelaide InterContinental is the most popular sports stadium hotel in Australia and possibly the world. It’s just a lovely short stroll from the back door over the river to the Adelaide Oval.

It doesn’t just sell out for Test matches, it sells out for Aussie Rules games. At the time of any sporting event you struggle to get a room six months in advance for $500 per night.

It’s on sale for $150 per night for this whole Test match.

As I keep saying, it’s down to a number of factors:

1. India refused to play a Day/Night Test.

2. The Aussie public gets bored playing India too often.

3. The Aussie public views India as loud upstarts who aren’t very good.

4. Nobody has heard of any of these Indians apart from Kohli.

5. The BCCI agreed the schedule six months later than we require to book leave from work, etc.


Whose fault is that? It was India who insisted upon a Day Test.

So the appalling attendance figures are all their fault.

I know it's slightly off-topic but is it actually true ECB sold more tickets for the tests against a low ranked Pakistan side than India?

 

[Canford Cliffs]

^Having said the above, Pakistan is also very popular team in Eng bcoz of historically being a good team here. So when Pak tours, it goes full too but little less than India. The reason being Pak fans are bit lazy compared to Indians. We all saw even in Dubai, Indian and BD fans overshadowed Pak fans. So in a test in Eng, even though equal no. of eng fans attend as for Ind game but due to lack of Pak fans it dont get housefull.

 

[Junaids]

Then in that case them numbers are pretty good bearing in mind the temperature. In contrast to similar conditions in Abu Dhabi where I am sure there are no more than 50 people in the stands.

How so?

In Australia 80% of Test ticket sales are completed 6 months in advance. Usually 50% are completed 10 months in advance.

The host stadium, the South Australian Cricket Association, earns its profits (or losses) only on ticket sales and catering. Only Cricket Australia sees the Indian TV revenue.

Day 1 of hosting England in 2017 sold 50,000 tickets, at the usual average price of $80, so $4 million plus catering.

Day 1 of hosting New Zealand in 2015 sold 47,000 tickets so $3.8 million.

Day 1 of hosting India yesterday sold a paltry 24,000 tickets, so $1.9 million.

Hosting India turns out to be an unmitigated economic disaster except for Cricket Australia.

Whereas the Gabba got record non-Ashes sales and revenue from hosting Pakistan 2 years ago because they agreed to play a Day/Night Test.

Who would have thought it? The refusal to play Day/Night Tests has ensured that India are less profitable tourists than Pakistan for everyone apart from Cricket Australia!

 

[ikky47]

^Having said the above, Pakistan is also very popular team in Eng bcoz of historically being a good team here. So when Pak tours, it goes full too but little less than India. The reason being Pak fans are bit lazy compared to Indians. We all saw even in Dubai, Indian and BD fans overshadowed Pak fans. So in a test in Eng, even though equal no. of eng fans attend as for Ind game but due to lack of Pak fans it dont get housefull.

Do you by any chance know the figures for the attendances for both of the test matches held at Lords this summer? But I agree that Pakistani fans in England are lazy compared to the Indian ones.

 

[ikky47]

How so?

In Australia 80% of Test ticket sales are completed 6 months in advance. Usually 50% are completed 10 months in advance.

The host stadium, the South Australian Cricket Association, earns its profits (or losses) only on ticket sales and catering. Only Cricket Australia sees the Indian TV revenue.

Day 1 of hosting England in 2017 sold 50,000 tickets, at the usual average price of $80, so $4 million plus catering.

Day 1 of hosting New Zealand in 2015 sold 47,000 tickets so $3.8 million.

Day 1 of hosting India yesterday sold a paltry 24,000 tickets, so $1.9 million.

Hosting India turns out to be an unmitigated economic disaster except for Cricket Australia.

Whereas the Gabba got record non-Ashes sales and revenue from hosting Pakistan 2 years ago because they agreed to play a Day/Night Test.

Who would have thought it? The refusal to play Day/Night Tests has ensured that India are less profitable tourists than Pakistan for everyone apart from Cricket Australia!

And would you be able to tell me how many people turned up to the 2014, Aus v Ind Adelaide test match? We can use the figures from the first day of that test match to compare to this one. And yes the Pakistan test match at the Gabba was a Day/Night test so it is futile to compared a Day/Night test to a day test match.

 

[Junaids]

And would you be able to tell me how many people turned up to the 2014, Aus v Ind Adelaide test match? We can use the figures from the first day of that test match to compare to this one. And yes the Pakistan test match at the Gabba was a Day/Night test so it is futile to compared a Day/Night test to a day test match.

No, that is entirely India's fault.

They are the ones who insisted upon converting the Adelaide Test from a Day/Night match to a Day match, and the consequent pathetic attendance is nobody's fault apart from India's.

India's economic leverage at the ICC has led to the ICC Test Rankings being artificially twisted so that India does not forfeit its series against Pakistan that it refuses to play, and enjoys a Fake Number 1 Ranking as a result.

In spite of having lost their last Test series in Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa.

So India is left with an inflated opinion of its popularity as an opponent and of the economic value that it brings when it tours overseas.

When in fact the only economic value for hosting India goes to the Board which sells the TV rights.

Because India's diva-like demands (late scheduling with unconfirmed dates and venues until long after sports tourists need to book leave and flights, no Day/Night matches) make hosting India a nightmare for everyone who depends upon cricket tour income apart from the TV rights sellers.

Why should we compare yesterday's pathetic attendance with ancient Day Tests at Adelaide rather than the Day/Night Tests it has held for the last three years?

Because it's India's fault that the game is a Day Test!

 

[Tusker]

India's economic leverage at the ICC has led to the ICC Test Rankings being artificially twisted so that India does not forfeit its series against Pakistan that it refuses to play, and enjoys a Fake Number 1 Ranking as a result.
!

But according to you since India survives on icc handouts there isn't any leverage

 

[Junaids]

But according to you since India survives on icc handouts there isn't any leverage

It’s not that simple a binary equation.

1. The BCCI holds other cricket Boards to ransom by turning on and off the tap of tours by India (which deliver rich TV income from private Indian TV stations to the host Board).

Nobody disputes that - but in Australia, England and South Africa this year we have learned that India tours only enrich the host Board - not Airlines, hotels or restaurants.

2. However, the BCCI’s own published annual financial reports show that in spite of huge TV revenue (from the same private Indian TV stations), the BCCI’s spending is so out of control - mainly on shadowy and vague payments to the state cricket associations - that without huge ICC handouts the BCCI is actually insolvent.

And that’s why the world’s richest Board has to bully the rest of the ICC into giving it so much of the ICC’s money.

But the awful ticket sales in Australia have really highlighted that apart from the Board, nobody benefits from tours by India.

 

[Buffet]

T-20

MCG against India got 63K
Sydney had 37K
Gaba had 31K

 

[Buffet]

I couldn't find previous T-20 crowds in these stadiums.

 

[rhony]

I couldn't find previous T-20 crowds in these stadiums.

Most of the crowd was Indian and they don't care about tests. You will see crowds again for ODIs

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can anyone here confirm that CA doesnot share its revenues with the member state boards and state boards like SACA are dependent only on ticket sales for money?

JunaidS made a similar case during the Eng tour but ran away when it was pointed out that ECB shares its revenues with County boards. Infact for ECB Ashes and India tour are the only two revenue making tours.

 

[AlizeeFan]

From their previous financial report

Can anyone here confirm that CA doesnot share its revenues with the member state boards and state boards like SACA are dependent only on ticket sales for money?

JunaidS made a similar case during the Eng tour but ran away when it was pointed out that ECB shares its revenues with County boards. Infact for ECB Ashes and India tour are the only two revenue making tours.

In accordance with Cricket Australia's By Laws, payments are made to Members
to assist with their costs. The levels of distributions are made to States to reflect
equal general funding, and additional funding, recognising profits States would
have generated from individual activities.

Under the current By Laws, Cricket Australia has committed to provide
distributions to the States in the 2017/18 financial year, forecast as $117,000,000
(2017: $108,000,000) at balance date.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Crowd is sparse.... Aussies public don't rate this series?

 

[Buffet]

The host stadium, the South Australian Cricket Association, earns its profits (or losses) only on ticket sales and catering. Only Cricket Australia sees the Indian TV revenue.

Can anyone here confirm that CA doesnot share its revenues with the member state boards and state boards like SACA are dependent only on ticket sales for money?

JunaidS made a similar case during the Eng tour but ran away when it was pointed out that ECB shares its revenues with County boards. Infact for ECB Ashes and India tour are the only two revenue making tours.

In 2017 CA distributed 112M to state associations. In 2016 they distributed 106M to state association. It's listed in CA's financial statement.

 

[wrongun]

Crowd is sparse.... Aussies public don't rate this series?

The public are actually very interested in series vs India at present and in particular how our "new" team will perform.

Crowds are down for a few reasons;

1) Weird scheduling. The test summer always starts in Brisbane. Very odd to have the first one at Adelaide, it shows people off. This may sound trivial as most countries have matches played differently every season. Oz has always had a very stable calendar of test dates which seep into the culture of cricket watching.

2) No Day Nighter. The day/night Adelaide rapidly took on to become many peoples favorite Test match. It was incredible the buzz around the game nationally and locally with carnival, fun atmosphere in the city at nights. India's refusal to take part may see some people protesting by not coming. Or they may decide they like the day/night so much they come to watch ODI cricket or Big Bash this year, not the Test.
I think the protest part is significant.

3) Not holiday period. Oz gets big crowds to Melbourne & Sydney Tests because they fall when the vast majority of workers take a couple of weeks holiday over xmas/new year. Adelaide Test recently being day/night allowed them to sidestep the problem of most people being at work, but now that it is day match it shows up what a big inconvenience/difficulty it is to try and organize extra time off (when everyone is pushing hard to get all their work done before traditional holidays).
People have enjoyed the flexibility of the day/night so much, they don't want to do day Test anymore.

 

[MenInG]

Inability to understand English for some posters here is worrying but let me repeat, incase you suddenly find yourself unable to post.

Don't get personal with ANY poster.

Hope all clear.

 

[latecut]

In 2017 CA distributed 112M to state associations. In 2016 they distributed 106M to state association. It's listed in CA's financial statement.

There goes the case.

 

[retterimp]

More and more spectators are leaving after each wicket. Great sign for India. We will make Australia forget they ever played cricket.

 

[rollingstoned]

Sandpaper?

Almost 130,000 people attended the same Adelaide Oval 2 years ago after South Africa had bowled Australia out for 85 at Hobart and beaten them by an Innings and 80 runs.

Whereas less than 60,000 tickets have been sold so far.

If the previous tour to australia 4 years ago had considerably better attendances than the current one - the tour isnt over by any means mind you - it doesn't mean what you are desperately trying to say it means ie that india isn't a big draw. Even for you and your well known leanings that is quite a bit of bench pressing. Your facts without any context are quite useless of attendance figures and a throwaway troll remark that Aussies don't like india or that england and the others laugh at india being ranked no.1. the ranking criteria are the same for everyone, no.one stops other teams from being 'home bullies'.

 

[latecut]

Can we have the figures of attendance from Pakistan vs New Zealand test series as well ? Just for the sake of knowing the star power of Pakistan cricket team ?

 

[MenInG]

Can we have the figures of attendance from Pakistan vs New Zealand test series as well ? Just for the sake of knowing the star power of Pakistan cricket team ?

Not sure if you are reading thread titles but look again.

 

[Rana]

Can we have the figures of attendance from Pakistan vs New Zealand test series as well ? Just for the sake of knowing the star power of Pakistan cricket team ?

LOL do Pakistan beg New Zealand to become their arch rivals though?

 

[Mainul]

I don't understand why people put so much stock in this. There are more than a billion Indians in the world. Anything featuring them is going to sell well, especially the one sport that they are any good at.

What matters more is the results on the field. If I was an Indian, I would rather see my team win a couple of test matches in front of crows rather than get whitewashed in front of thousands. Not sure what the Pakpassion Indians want though, they seem to think differently.

That is the way every Indian should think now. India should just aim at winning the series. They won't get any better chance to beat Aussies without Smith and Warner,their best two batamen and imoact players .

 

[Junaids]

More catastrophic figures now in.....

Day 2 only attracted a crowd of 25,693: the previous lowest Day 2 crowd at the new Adelaide Oval was 37,932 for South Africa two years ago.

Day 1 terrestrial TV ratings in Australia peaked at 773,000, compared with 987,000 for Pakistan in the First Test at the Gabba two years ago.

I guess the host stadium authorities and the TV broadcaster can now see loud and clear just how small a drawcard an Indian tour is.

 

[AMSS]

More catastrophic figures now in.....

Day 2 only attracted a crowd of 25,693: the previous lowest Day 2 crowd at the new Adelaide Oval was 37,932 for South Africa two years ago.

Day 1 terrestrial TV ratings in Australia peaked at 773,000, compared with 987,000 for Pakistan in the First Test at the Gabba two years ago.

I guess the host stadium authorities and the TV broadcaster can now see loud and clear just how small a drawcard an Indian tour is.

Only a matter of time before Pakistan is handed 5 test tour and India consigned to 2 test affairs every 5-6 years at obscure venues.

 

[Rana]

Epic rivalry figures right there

 

[cricketindiafan]

Seven's coverage was watched by an average 454,000 viewers nationally in the morning session, rising to 588,000 in the afternoon and peaking at 773,000 in the evening session leading into the national news. Fox Sports, meanwhile, returned an average of 137,000 before lunch, 162,000 in the afternoon and 214,000 in the evening. The combined average figure for the final session was thus 987,000.

The early signs from day one were that the combined audience would be no larger than that enjoyed exclusively by the Nine Network - typically around the 1 million mark in recent times - for the previous 40 years, with the creep away from traditional television broadcasts to streaming and other forms of entertainment continuing.

While comparisons with past broadcasts are affected by the aforementioned move away from television to digital entertainment, these figures ran reasonably close to the equivalent match last summer, the first Test of the Ashes in Brisbane in late November, and the corresponding Test four years ago when Australia played India in Adelaide after the match was rescheduled due to the death of Phillip Hughes. The 2017 third session average for the Gabba Test was 1.361 million

Believe what you want to

 

[cricketindiafan]

BTW temperature of Adelaide when Tests have been played recently

vs England (Dec 2 -6 2017) - High of 21 Degrees, low of 13 degress
vs South Africa (Nov 24-28 2016) - High of 28, low of 9
vs New Zealand (Nov 27 -Dec 1 2015) - High of 31, low of 9

Temp at Adelaide
Yesterday - High of 38, low of 23
Today - High of 37, low of 20

Despite all such factors, in the end this series will have maximum attendance after an Ashes series.

 

[cricketindiafan]

To posters saying why are some of us 'worried' about crowd attendance and not about India winning the test and series. Well, both run in parallel - cheering loudly for the team and at the same time, bursting blatantly fake propaganda

 

[kadam]

Then this trend should definitely continue for all other tests otherwise Adelaide will be an aberration on account of other reason (trains, heat etc)

 

[Junaids]

BTW temperature of Adelaide when Tests have been played recently

vs England (Dec 2 -6 2017) - High of 21 Degrees, low of 13 degress
vs South Africa (Nov 24-28 2016) - High of 28, low of 9
vs New Zealand (Nov 27 -Dec 1 2015) - High of 31, low of 9

Temp at Adelaide
Yesterday - High of 38, low of 23
Today - High of 37, low of 20

Despite all such factors, in the end this series will have maximum attendance after an Ashes series.

Nice try, but in Australia you don’t buy your match ticket on the gate.

You buy it online many months in advance, with half of them sold during the first fortnight - up to a year in advance - when prices are discounted by 20%.

So a hot day makes very little difference.

 

[latecut]

BCCI is seriously worried. In facts Indians are considering giving up cricket and sticking to Kabaddi.

 

[MenInG]

BCCI is seriously worried. In facts Indians are considering giving up cricket and sticking to Kabaddi.

Do you actually understand the issue here? or are you posting without thinking?

 

[HitWicket]

Infact for ECB Ashes and India tour are the only two revenue making tours.

Blatantly not true (assuming you meant profit as well).

 

[cricketjoshila]

Blatantly not true (assuming you meant profit as well).

https://m.rediff.com/amp/cricket/column/why-the-english-cricket-board-loves-kohli--co/20180918.htm


Read this.

Espncricinfo did a more detailed article.

 

[pmahones]

Do you actually understand the issue here? or are you posting without thinking?

I was about ask the OP the same question and Was also about to ask why he avoids posts where his lies get exposed.

anyway, help me understand what the issue is here.

In my view, it is not BCCI job to worry about hotel /restaurant economy of Australia. is it?