How does winning an election free imran?What do you want? Riots just before the election?
Riots aren’t going to free IK, but winning the elections will.
The election vote is casted for an mna not for a judge
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How does winning an election free imran?What do you want? Riots just before the election?
Riots aren’t going to free IK, but winning the elections will.
Naa. Since 2008, general elections have not been held early but on its time or delayed.What makes you think next elections will be 2028?
This is Pakistan. Its more likely next election is December 2024 than 2028!
That is the most critical question, I guess, and everybody has an answer. The answer is an absolute yes.And when an army chief that supports pti will come and promoses them pmship, will pti accept it or not?
Because that is what pti did in 2018 when we called it and many were not ready to accept it. Today same group is bashing the same army
They have and he refused. Bajwa offered it to IK and he said we want elections.And when an army chief that supports pti will come and promoses them pmship, will pti accept it or not?
Because that is what pti did in 2018 when we called it and many were not ready to accept it. Today same group is bashing the same army
No we are waiting for elections that are free and fair. They will be death of your criminalsThey are waiting for a establishment man that will come and start supporting them.
Pti doesn have issue with the establishment meddling in politics. There issue is why they are not the favourite child
What do you want? Riots just before the election?
Riots aren’t going to free IK, but winning the elections will.
I don't want anything as I have no skin in the game. Ok, actually as an indian I do have ( in that case I prefer Nawaz sb).What do you want? Riots just before the election?
Riots aren’t going to free IK, but winning the elections will.
Offcourse all parties are to be blamed.That is the most critical question, I guess, and everybody has an answer. The answer is an absolute yes.
PTI will take a grand U-Turn.
That is our history. I will not blame only PTI but all political parties, including PML-N, PPP, etc. They all go gaga when they sit with establishment and go against him when the army chief ignores them.
And that, in my view, is the issue with our political system, and the establishment is taking advantage of this lack of trust between political parties from the day Pakistan was born.
How does winning an election free imran?
The election vote is casted for an mna not for a judge
Doesnt work that way.Once you have power, you can do pretty much anything.
If a corrupt family like the Sharif’s can have all their cases thrown out the window just before the elections then what’s going to stop the same from happening with IK whose been sentenced on bogus cases.
No more than your crooks- look at the pathetic Billo begging Bajwa for PMship and getting a free holiday on the tab of a poor country. A govt now he disownsOffcourse all parties are to be blamed.
All these parties are same and the fight is who gets to sit on the lap of the khakis
Doesnt work that way.
Sharifs cases were thrown out by establishment and through the parliament.
The case like you morals is weak and any decent judge with self respect will through it out like Tosha case and just like the Tosha case the judge ran as he announced the verdict, and that was even before SMQ had given his disposition to the Judge. This is not even mentioning that Bajwa wasnt even called as a witness. And you wanted IK hanged on these evidencesDoesnt work that way.
Sharifs cases were thrown out by establishment and through the parliament.
Bro, its better to educate yourself.So, you think IF PTI miraculously wins the elections that IK will still do his jail time lol?
Pakistan's current economic woes have nothing to do with what India wants. Pakistan is in economic doldrums bcoz of stupid economic policies by its leaders - including Imran & Nawaz - for the past 2 decades. Not bcoz of India's actions.Incidentally, there is nothing wrong with Nawaz being a puppet of Bharat if it would actually bring some advance to the country. As a neutral Brit I always look at the bigger picture. But having studied hindutva literature of the BJP and their ideologues, I know that the last thing they want is a prosperous Pakistan. It would go against everything they stand for.
So for that scenario Nawaz Sharif and PMNL would be the ideal stooge govt.
Pakistan's current economic woes have nothing to do with what India wants. Pakistan is in economic doldrums bcoz of stupid economic policies by its leaders - including Imran & Nawaz - for the past 2 decades. Not bcoz of India's actions.
I am pretty even China does not want India to prosper but India will continue to be one of the fastest growing economies.
So its not like if Nawaz becomes PM suddenly everything will become rosy, inflation will go down & debt crisis will be resolved. No way.
China was actually fed up with Imran and were the ones who decided to take over from Bajwa to control imran and had him sent to Russia to go make a deal for gas.Pakistan's current economic woes have nothing to do with what India wants. Pakistan is in economic doldrums bcoz of stupid economic policies by its leaders - including Imran & Nawaz - for the past 2 decades. Not bcoz of India's actions.
I am pretty even China does not want India to prosper but India will continue to be one of the fastest growing economies.
So its not like if Nawaz becomes PM suddenly everything will become rosy, inflation will go down & debt crisis will be resolved. No way.
If anyone violates the constitution and tries to sabotage the country for his own goals, should be given a death sentence, or atleast should run away and live in exile.A humiliating defeat for the power hungry hypocrite, but this was inevitable.
I don’t support a death sentence and no one should, but he definitely needs to be jailed for the damage and chaos that he has caused over the last 10 years.
His supporters are the biggest cowards and kittens I have ever seen. All talk and no show. They ran with their tails tucked between their legs on May 9th and never returned.
Overseas Pakistanis should not complain because when Imran came into power in 2018, you did not return even though you claimed that you would. You showed that you love your foreign passports more than you love Imran Khan.
Your online and social media support did nothing for him.
This is the end of Imran Khan and PTI. They made a lot of noise but ultimately achieved nothing.
Imran had a golden opportunity to promise himself when he became the PM but he failed big time and provided himself to be the most incompetent and unprepared PM this country has ever seen and probably ever will see.
Today is a wonderful day for all Pakistanis and I want to congratulate everyone.
I still look back in the threads and laugh when pti fans used to say that the establishment meddling in the affairs of a state is a good thing and because the establlishment is part of state institute they should have a say.There is no need of blaming judiciary or individual people.
Imran’s own narcissism, arrogance and god complex brought his downfall.
As I have said many many times, if he lived a thousand years ago, he would have started his own religion.
He thought he was above the law, no one could touch him and he was the solution to every problem.
People like Major hate him, so their stand is understandable. But what are Imran's supporters doing? Just wanting things to fall into place by showing restraint and resilience?
All Nawaz Sharif wanted was Pakistan should stop needles confrontation with India & prioritize better economic relations. But delusional Pakistanis wud rather want Pakistan to maintain its state of hostility with India & in the process dig itself into a deeper holeAgreed, I don't put blame on India here for Pakistan's mismanagement, merely pointing out that Bharat under a hindutva govt is actively working against Pakistan as part of their own identity drive. Why would you trust a thief (Sharif) in cahoots with a govt which is a declared enemy? These are two countries at cross purposes, nothing good can come of it. Only way any progress could be made is with two leaderships who will look after their own interests and not the other's.
All Nawaz Sharif wanted was Pakistan should stop needles confrontation with India & prioritize better economic relations. But delusional Pakistanis wud rather want Pakistan to maintain its state of hostility with India & in the process dig itself into a deeper hole
Lol if you take Pakistani judicial sentencing seriously! These jail sentences are like the starting price when bargaining in a bazaar, now there is enough head room to offer a sizeable discount so that IK takes the deal when offered. Or so is the plan.10 years in Jail means Imran is finished. Political vendetta is a real thing.
Lol if you take Pakistani judicial sentencing seriously! These jail sentences are like the starting price when bargaining in a bazaar, now there is enough head room to offer a sizeable discount so that IK takes the deal when offered. Or so is the plan.
If I'm not wrong back in 2018 Nawaz was sentenced to 10+7 years in jail. From what angle does Nawaz look like he's served 17 weeks in prison, let alone years?! He looks like a fattened pensioner post a cheap Turkish all inclusive holiday!
There is no need to be disheartened, IK will be back, perhaps a different general but definitely with the same establishment. The players may come and go, the house always wins!
All it will take is one order from the next US President Donald Trump to release IK and the Pakistani Fauji establishment will fall in line.
All Nawaz Sharif wanted was Pakistan should stop needles confrontation with India & prioritize better economic relations. But delusional Pakistanis wud rather want Pakistan to maintain its state of hostility with India & in the process dig itself into a deeper hole
Let's be very clear, The conflict isn't between the PTI and the establishment. The conflict is between two massively inflated egos who will never allow common sense to interfere with their power trips, the issue is between Munir and IK!Agreed. Bit like the PCB's "lifetime ban" which lasts all of 2 T20s.
The establishment will bring Imran Khan back when they find a need. And the problem is I predict Imran Khan will take that opportunity with both hands and do their bidding.
And why would Trump do that?
A humiliating defeat for the power hungry hypocrite, but this was inevitable.
I don’t support a death sentence and no one should, but he definitely needs to be jailed for the damage and chaos that he has caused over the last 10 years.
His supporters are the biggest cowards and kittens I have ever seen. All talk and no show. They ran with their tails tucked between their legs on May 9th and never returned.
Overseas Pakistanis should not complain because when Imran came into power in 2018, you did not return even though you claimed that you would. You showed that you love your foreign passports more than you love Imran Khan.
Your online and social media support did nothing for him.
This is the end of Imran Khan and PTI. They made a lot of noise but ultimately achieved nothing.
Imran had a golden opportunity to promise himself when he became the PM but he failed big time and provided himself to be the most incompetent and unprepared PM this country has ever seen and probably ever will see.
Today is a wonderful day for all Pakistanis and I want to congratulate everyone.
Ironic to question the literacy of people because they dont vote for their party, and at the same time thinks country economics is based upon personal greed.Yes spot on.
This is call extreme greed. Do. you agree?
After all there is only so much money you can fleece from a country that is hanging on the edge of a cliff.
Trade with india would mean bigger profits for the political mafia and continued oppression of the poor that make the vast majority.
Lol, the us president doesnt even call imran and he thinks they will call pakistan for imranAnd why would Trump do that?
But IK didn't rob PK. PK has been looted by the mafia and the PPP is one of the biggest culpritsIronic to question the literacy of people because they dont vote for their party, and at the same time thinks country economics is based upon personal greed.
The duffers have shown themselves to be total idiots. In which country do you turn a population from loving you to having nothing but contempt for you.Makes you think. The establishment needs to go through so many contingency plans to keep PTI out. As if taking away the symbol and making every candidate run as independent isn't enough now this rushed verdict. Suddenly PTI rallies have bomb blasts.
How badly was PTI sweeping the elections to warrant such desperation?
It was destined to be doomed the day when the courts decided they had the right to determine who can claim to be a Muslim and who can’t.That’s Pakistani puppet courts for you. This country is destined to be doomed
Yes
Shameful day for Pakistan - but nothing new.
Donald Trump wont give a damn about Imran Khan. he played nice with Imran in 2019-20 bcoz he needed their support to extricate US army from AfghanistanTrump had a soft spot for IK and had a personal relationship with him in the past and then in the Presidency. The US policy towards IK and Pakistan shifted drastically when the Democrats and Biden took office and it was no surprise given that they received plenty of donations in campaign financing from Indian lobbies, PPP, PML-N and then Bajwa used Hussain Haqqani to aggressively lobby with the US to have IK removed. Pakistani GHQ does nothing without the blessings of the international establishment i.e. USA, UK, Saudi Arabia.
If Trump orders the Pakistani millitary establishment to go easy on IK, they will fall in line.
It's called a political journey and its happened through history. Churchill the great Conservative was a Liberal, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat before he became a Republican President. Your ill informed, illiterate mutterings have about much credibility as your belief that NS and Nani were anti establishment. Or that SS was a real PM, who is now disowned by his brother and everyone else.Shah Mehmood Qureshi is loyal? To whom?
Before he joined PTI, he spent 18 years with PPP. He joined PTI not because he believed in Imran’s manifesto but because it was good for his career.
He is only loyal to himself.
Maybe and I don't care. Remember Mush was a dictator and in the end got a death sentence, Qazi was supposedly anti establishment and has helped legalise Martial Law, NS was anti establishment but all his life has lived licking boots and has helped to make them even more unpopular than himselfDonald Trump wont give a damn about Imran Khan. he played nice with Imran in 2019-20 bcoz he needed their support to extricate US army from Afghanistan
Now with US army gone from Afghanistan , they have zero interest in the region
American politicians are hardnosed pragmatists. They don't go by their impulses & personal feelings ! Just like Joe Biden don't like Modi personally but he still hosted him for a gala White House visit simply bcoz they need India on their side against China
Been listening this for the last two years. Each time the grave digs deeperBlack day for Pakistan but no worries IK will emerge as a more powerful leader, more people will vote for him , time and tide wait for none
SMQ is not worth the dirt on the shoes of the politicians you mentioned. These people had a political ideology. What do PTI party members have? Nothing.It's called a political journey and its happened through history. Churchill the great Conservative was a Liberal, Ronald Reagan was a Democrat before he became a Republican President. Your ill informed, illiterate mutterings have about much credibility as your belief that NS and Nani were anti establishment. Or that SS was a real PM, who is now disowned by his brother and everyone else.
People like you will be repeating this line after his death too.Black day for Pakistan but no worries IK will emerge as a more powerful leader, more people will vote for him , time and tide wait for none
People like you will be repeating this line after his death too.
The fake messiah has been defeated. Humiliated, defeated, exposed. It is over.
The one and only PM in Pakistan history that was booted out by the parliament. That is his lasting legacy in politics.
Oh I see. So tell me wise one, what is the political ideology of NS? We had all the guff from you that NS being anti establishment( remember those days when you thought SS was pro establishment and NS was antiSMQ is not worth the dirt on the shoes of the politicians you mentioned. These people had a political ideology. What do PTI party members have? Nothing.
That’s because PTI itself has no ideology. It is basically a fan club of one individual. There is no difference between PTI and MQM.
People like SMQ and other turncoats, or lotas that they are referred to in Urdu joined PTI only because they saw it as an investment. It was all for personal gain.
They are hereos. Do you remember those discussions on the elections and what you would do if they were delayedInteresting now imran and smq are being made martyrs.
Pti fans used to whine about ppp using the martyr card and now they are hoping for the same
He thinks he should he hanged but just doesn't know for what.@Major tell me one thing honestly.
Do you really think Imran Khan should receive this 10 year punishment with such a lame reference? is this justified? Differences aside, just give me an honest answer.
Surely the way to test if he is defeated is at the ballot box. So why have your rapists, kidnappers murderers not held a fair elections. Don't tell me all those posts that you made were all lies and you never believed in the vote. Kaptaan has won son. Prison has turned into a hero and with 80% of PKs with him. NS can't even face Dr Yasmin Rashid, a cancer sufferer that has been locked up for 8 months. Is that what you guys are?People like you will be repeating this line after his death too.
The fake messiah has been defeated. Humiliated, defeated, exposed. It is over.
The one and only PM in Pakistan history that was booted out by the parliament. That is his lasting legacy in politics.
The fact that Kaptaan showed his power on Sunday with one call, was enough to commute the death sentence into a 10 year sentence in which the Judge run off. And here you are claiming victory for the mafiaPeople like you will be repeating this line after his death too.
The fake messiah has been defeated. Humiliated, defeated, exposed. It is over.
The one and only PM in Pakistan history that was booted out by the parliament. That is his lasting legacy in politics.
Javed Latif said last year that Bajwa forced them to vote out IK. If there was ever an admission that would drown their supporters, it was this. What happened to SS the real PM? Any ideas? What has his brother said about his reignPeople like you will be repeating this line after his death too.
The fake messiah has been defeated. Humiliated, defeated, exposed. It is over.
The one and only PM in Pakistan history that was booted out by the parliament. That is his lasting legacy in politics.
Yes.@Major tell me one thing honestly.
Do you really think Imran Khan should receive this 10 year punishment with such a lame reference? is this justified? Differences aside, just give me an honest answer.
@Mamoon feels bitter. I would too, if I supported a bunch of crooks that need to make up fake cases, how many is it now? Remember all those anti establishment posts, alas the establishment is halal and killing PKs for their political views is all halalThat's a great legacy
Others we were removed by you know who.
The fact that this man had the guts to stay and face band of thieves and not run off to London to get a miracle cure for his terminal illness is amazing in itself.
@Mamoon you and @Major claimed it was fake. So how can someone be jailed for something that didn't existThis is all so laughable!
When IK first aired the cipher, all and sundry, that's the politicians and anyone who can spell their name, termed it as fake and trumped up for political gains (which it was partly).
Then, all of a sudden, an American online website, raised the issue as genuine (obviously a set up)...and hey presto, the Secirity Act is amended and the cipher becomes the all singing and dancing treacherous act out of no where.
If anyone who follows pak politics with even a passing interst can follow the timeline with little trouble.
The pak judiciary, establishment, politicians, and many other institutions are corrupt to the core!
Why not? If a threat of coup was sent and then carried out, does the PK public not have a right to know?What exactly is the argument? The cipher was fake or the cipher, regardless was fake or not should not have been disclosed to the public? Where did Khan go wrong?
All irrelevant in the grand scheme of things...everyone knows the judicial system in Pakistan is a joke along with a few others!What exactly is the argument? The cipher was fake or the cipher, regardless was fake or not should not have been disclosed to the public? Where did Khan go wrong?
You are spot on.The fact of the matter is, the majority of Pakistan are not ready nor do they deserve Imran Khan, so stick the devils you know in Nawaz Sharif, Maryam Nawaz, Asif Ali Zadari, Bilawal et al..
You people deserve them and good luck, you just lost the one man that put the country BACK on the map.
Look brother. I know you are deeply passionate about this man, and this decision isn’t easy on you at least because you stand firm for him on a daily basis.Why not? If a threat of coup was sent and then carried out, does the PK public not have a right to know?
Our Establishment isn't the state, we know now that they keep the state weak so that they can mint money. I am embarrassed that I believed their sincerity when in reality they are crooks. Bajwa wanted IK out by Feb 2019, Diesel said that Bajwa promised him that Ik would be removed and that's why he called off his long march. Only Corona got in the way.Look brother. I know you are deeply passionate about this man, and this decision isn’t easy on you at least because you stand firm for him on a daily basis.
But the question I ask is, regardless of whether the public has a right to know or not (which is opinion based), is it legally lawful for Khan to disclose such information trusted upon him publicly?