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Square Drive said:
Typical aaj kal ka bacha. :mib
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Wrong. I can prove my point: most of the players and posters say that line just because some old experts and pundits say that. You can easily make out that ODI is the best format.

Ability, pressure-handling, skill, technique and drama - everything in 6 hours with much more entertainment.

You wait for the same (and you probably don't get the scenarios where you get entertainment and drama) for 5 days.
 
Pakistani_Legend said:
Wrong. I can prove my point: most of the players and posters say that line just because some old experts and pundits say that. You can easily make out that ODI is the best format.

Ability, pressure-handling, skill, technique and drama - everything in 6 hours with much more entertainment.

You wait for the same (and you probably don't get the scenarios where you get entertainment and drama) for 5 days.
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Lol don't worry, I was just kidding. :))

Yes, I agree with you. ODI is also my favourite format. T20s are too short and a lot of tullebaaz shots are played, whereas Tests are very good, but as you said, are 5 days long.

I absolutely love Tests, though. ODIs are slightly better, in my view.
 
Square Drive said:
Lol don't worry, I was just kidding. :))

Yes, I agree with you. ODI is also my favourite format. T20s are too short and a lot of tullebaaz shots are played, whereas Tests are very good, but as you said, are 5 days long.

I absolutely love Tests, though. ODIs are slightly better, in my view.
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Yeah, ODIs edge ahead.
 
Difficult to say today, Whole batting lineup except Sarfraz. Bowlers did their job.
 
Misbah is the match ka mujrim not only for his batting but his poor team selections & decisions
 
Playing too many batsmen!

The strategy employed by this Pakistani think tank is beyond me...this is something Team India does often.

Playing Sharjeel was a defensive move. They have packed the team with batsmen. It's not like we are playing in Eng or Australia..! We are essentially playing with 3 bowlers. Although I regard Hafeez as a extremely good 5th bowler, Afridi generally sucks against Asian teams and in my opinion can not be considered a reliable 4th or 5 th bowling option.. As it is we don't have any back up bowling .. Watch mahela rip us apart today ..
 
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Afridi is done. There is no role for him anymore, bring Babar in or Ajmal when/if he comes back.
 
Ajmal no matter what opinion i hold of his action will always be the first choice ahead of afridi "The liability".
 
Playing too many batsmen!

Pakistani_Legend said:
Knee-jerk.
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I had the same opinion about the team playing the first ODI... The departure of younas provided us with an excellent opportunity to play additional bowler or atleast a bowling all rounder..
 
Its not that you are playing too many batsmen.

Its just that you have decided that Afridi must be in (even if he cannot consistently bowl 10 decent overs every game against top sides or bat like a proper batsmen).

Remove Afridi (when he is NOT in form) and bring in a proper spinner and your playing XI would be fine.

In ODIs these days, you guys need the batting. No question about it.

Of course one can say what is the role of Younis as a batsman? For which I wil say - the selectors made a huge blunder choosing him. You guys need to replace him with a batsman and not a bowler while keeping Afridi on.
 
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sensible-indian-fan said:
Of course one can say what is the role of Younis as a batsman? For which I wil say - the selectors made a huge blunder choosing him. You guys need to replace him with a batsman and not a bowler while keeping Afridi on.
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We have no selectors, you are selected for the national team by how well you audition on interviews on TV.
 
Are we ever satisfied, previously we used to complain that the team is playing too many bowlers and is a batsman short and now we are complaining about being a bowler short and playing and extra batsman?
 
Mods please delete thread. Every team now a days play number of batsmen. Even SL have batting till 8. And with field restrictions and power play at end its required. OP is logic less. 4 of our bowlers have bowled very well their 40 overs with taking wickets. Afridi is the only problem in team, ONLY.
 
Fastandfurious said:
We do have 7, Afridi is playing as a bowler which he is not. Babar/Ajmal in for him.
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Actually I agree with this as well.. Playing a specialist spinner in place of Afridi would also bring the team to balance ... However nobody can touch Afridi or Hafeez..they are pretty much permanent fixtures in the team ..
 
The team strategy is perfectly fine. This is a 270+ pitch.
 
Other than the 2 M&M Partnerships, there hasn't been much wrong with the bowling. And as I write this Hafeez picks up a wicket 194-6
 
Playing too many batsmen!

Hamzakhalid said:
Mods please delete thread. Every team now a days play number of batsmen. Even SL have batting till 8. And with field restrictions and power play at end its required. OP is logic less. 4 of our bowlers have bowled very well their 40 overs with taking wickets. Afridi is the only problem in team, ONLY.
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The point is that the team balance is not right.. Granted Ajmal is not available...Most teams have options for a 5th or even 6th part time bowler if one of their main bowlers has an off day.. We are scrambling for a 5 th bowler... Fawad and SHAHZAD are just not good enough to bowl .. Misbah has no options if one or two of his bowlers goes for runs..
 
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No. It's a pancake wicket and all of a sudden a couple of good batting performances and we flip flop again. Our bowling with Afridi and no Ajmal isn''t the strongest and we can see the results. On certain wickets though even the best will have a tough time getting wickets. Today actually we are doing pretty well.
 
It worked a treat in the last game didnt it? The whole point of akmal keeping should be to add depth to the batting, so todays strategy is spot on

You can talk about the personnel being changed (is sharjeel a good enough bat or younus khan or is afridi a good enough bower) but the fact that we are playing too many bastmen is nonsense because it is necessary in this day and age
 
204/6 in 39 overs on a pancake and people still have problems.
 
steelo green said:
No. It's a pancake wicket and all of a sudden a couple of good batting performances and we flip flop again. Our bowling with Afridi and no Ajmal isn''t the strongest and we can see the results. On certain wickets though even the best will have a tough time getting wickets. Today actually we are doing pretty well.
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Many thanks to captain cool Misbah ul Haq. He is clever and read pitch well. Another 250+ successful chase on cards. [emoji111][emoji12]
 
Ikball said:
Many thanks to captain cool Misbah ul Haq. He is clever and read pitch well. Another 250+ successful chase on cards. [emoji111][emoji12]
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I don't know how one could surmise that. If anything he should have kept attacking knowing that if Jayawardene and Matthews stick, then it will be a large total regardless. He should have gone after it because at this point, bowling the seamers would have made no difference, unless he kept the pressure on and got one of the big fish early in the partnership.
 
steelo green said:
I don't know how one could surmise that. If anything he should have kept attacking knowing that if Jayawardene and Matthews stick, then it will be a large total regardless. He should have gone after it because at this point, bowling the seamers would have made no difference, unless he kept the pressure on and got one of the big fish early in the partnership.
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Lol, people like to troll. Don't take every post seriously.

Go with the flow. :srini
 
Been saying it since the 1st ODI. We need a 6th bowler in Babar in the side, especially in Ajmal's absence.
 
If Pakistan have such great bowlers, why do they need to play 6 of them? :13:
 
Playing Sharjeel was a defensive move? Wow. :)))

Playing 6 bowlers in a 50 over game is a defensive move, you're playing another bowler because you're expecting one or two of your bowlers to fail.
 
Fool. Everyone was crying when we had only 6 batsmen. The only reason we won 1st ODI was because we played 7 batsmen. Please wait for the game to be over before you talk
 
Nuekboi said:
Fool. Everyone was crying when we had only 6 batsmen. The only reason we won 1st ODI was because we played 7 batsmen. Please wait for the game to be over before you talk
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Yeah. .. I think your logic is airtight.. We are playing one bowler short because we want to chase 6 plus an over ..!!!

I am happy to be proven right.. This too against the might of Sri Lanka batting...wait till you play Australia, South Africa or India... The team balance is not right ... Even if we chase it down today, which I hope we do, I'll stick to my opinion ..
 
Team balance is not right? Mate, everyone's going with this. Australia played 2-3 A/Rs the other day and still caned Zim by plenty.

At the end of the day, the better batting team will win more often than not today in ODI's.

Pakistani's don't seem to understand this fact.
 
MO said:
Yeah. .. I think your logic is airtight.. We are playing one bowler short because we want to chase 6 plus an over ..!!!

I am happy to be proven right.. This too against the might of Sri Lanka batting...wait till you play Australia, South Africa or India... The team balance is not right ... Even if we chase it down today, which I hope we do, I'll stick to my opinion ..
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Pakistan with that lineup scores 220 and prays the bowling can get it done. In this day and age on these flat wickets, having very good bowlers doesn't guarantee anything, you need a strong batting lineup to really post a total to win or chase a total.
 
Aman said:
Team balance is not right? Mate, everyone's going with this. Australia played 2-3 A/Rs the other day and still caned Zim by plenty.

At the end of the day, the better batting team will win more often than not today in ODI's.

Pakistani's don't seem to understand this fact.
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Yes... They have genuine all rounders... We don't ...!!!
 
Team selection is spot on. Bowlers just didn't perform. We will need the extra batsmen!
 
Playing too many batsmen!

steelo green said:
Pakistan with that lineup scores 220 and prays the bowling can get it done. In this day and age on these flat wickets, having very good bowlers doesn't guarantee anything, you need a strong batting lineup to really post a total to win or chase a total.
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May be.. However by that logic you can play 11 batsmen and win every game ..:)
 
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Aman said:
Team balance is not right? Mate, everyone's going with this. Australia played 2-3 A/Rs the other day and still caned Zim by plenty.

At the end of the day, the better batting team will win more often than not today in ODI's.

Pakistani's don't seem to understand this fact.
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Afridi is useless playing as a bowler, don't need his 10 runs a game. Babar can do a much better job and he can bat.
 
salman24 said:
Team selection is spot on. Bowlers just didn't perform. We will need the extra batsmen!
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Everyone is happy with conceding more than six an over in both the matches.. I didn't realize we have such knowledgeable fans here .. 9/10 times teams will fail chasing 300 plus scores.. May be some statistician on the forum provide us with numbers to prove that ...
 
MO said:
May be.. However by that logic you can play 11 batsmen and win ever game ..:)
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If you have a great bowling line up on flat wickets, you can restrict to just below 300, good-average around what Pakistan did today, and if it is India, around 350.

If you bowl a bunch of batsmen who don't bowl, then the score will be 450+ and doing the math as I listed above, that will most likely be too much for only batsmen to chase. Maybe someone should experiment and try it out.

There is still a balancing act but on this kind of wicket, you should have 7 batsmen.
 
MO said:
Everyone is happy with conceding more than six an over in both the matches.. I didn't realize we have such knowledgeable fans here .. 9/10 times teams will fail chasing 300 plus scores.. May be some statistician on the forum provide us with numbers to prove that ...
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In this day and age on flat wickets? Nope.

And when you score 220 on a flat wicket like this, you will actually lose 9/10 times if not 10/10 with the world class teams.
 
steelo green said:
If you have a great bowling line up on flat wickets, you can restrict to just below 300, good-average around what Pakistan did today, and if it is India, around 350.

If you bowl a bunch of batsmen who don't bowl, then the score will be 450+ and doing the math as I listed above, that will most likely be too much for only batsmen to chase. Maybe someone should experiment and try it out.

There is still a balancing act but on this kind of wicket, you should have 7 batsmen.
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Lightning doesn't strike twice... The chance of any Pakistani team doing this twice in two matches is unthinkable ... Imagine doing this in a high pressure World Cup game ...
 
Aman said:
Team balance is not right? Mate, everyone's going with this. Australia played 2-3 A/Rs the other day and still caned Zim by plenty.

At the end of the day, the better batting team will win more often than not today in ODI's.

Pakistani's don't seem to understand this fact.
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Keep the opposition to 250 or less. It doesn't matter if we can chase it or not because we bowled well.
#PakistaniLogic :facepalm:
 
[MENTION=4542]MO[/MENTION] - Dude you need to replace Afridi (if he is not in form) with a bowler.

Of course 11 batsmen won't win you any games. That's taking a logic to the extreme.

Pakistan with 6 bowlers is an opposition's dream cos flat track neutralizes quality bowlers.
 
steelo green said:
In this day and age on flat wickets? Nope.

And when you score 220 on a flat wicket like this, you will actually lose 9/10 times if not 10/10 with the world class teams.
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It's naive to think that an extra batsmen will win you the game when other 6 have failed ...we need quality not quantity ! Even if Younas had not played the last match we would have won ..
 
An extra batsmen (Raina) won India the WC 2011.

An extra batsman (due to Dravid keeping) ensured India reached WC 2003 finals.

An extra batsman (if he is a proper batsman) makes a lot of sense in ODIs.
 
MO said:
Lightning doesn't strike twice... The chance of any Pakistani team doing this twice in two matches is unthinkable ... Imagine doing this in a high pressure World Cup game ...
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Imagine us putting up 220 on a flat wicket. It simply will not win you matches regardless. You're better off adding the batsmen for a better chance to win then relying on a true miracle with the bowling. Pakistans batting on these kind of pitches has actually been pretty good so it really isn't lightening as you make it seem.

I won't sit and pretend like they are India on Indian soil or anything, or that they are reliable, but 6 bowlers today would have led to relatively the same total, except a much lower chance to chase.
 
MO said:
It's naive to think that an extra batsmen will win you the game when other 6 have failed ...we need quality not quantity ! Even if Younas had not played the last match we would have won ..
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What? Younis doesn't even belong on the team.

Also, had Ajmal played it was Maqsood who was said to be dropped. Just shows you what a change in strategy can do for your team.

We have more quality bats clearly as this year has demonstrated with the additions of Maqsood, Umar (back on the team), Shehzad (back on the team) and Fawad than bowling, and as everyone has said, one bowler will not make much of a difference on these type of pitches, and even if it somehow did restrict them to 250, as we have seen, that is a total that was unchaseable before with the 6 batsmen lineups we have trotted out for years. Consider Hafeez isn't really a bat, same with Afridi, we are just adding the normal amount of real batsmen that any good team should have.
 
MO said:
Everyone is happy with conceding more than six an over in both the matches.. I didn't realize we have such knowledgeable fans here .. 9/10 times teams will fail chasing 300 plus scores.. May be some statistician on the forum provide us with numbers to prove that ...
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Any statistical sample proving that will be from the past with different rules and conditions. Not to mention that the relevant stat is how often 300+ wins since the rule changes between relatively even teams. Everyone scores 300+ against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh (often when even 200 would have been enough) and this distorts the numbers.
 
Not really. You have a score of 300+ to chase so we'll have to wait and see if team management made the right call.
 
MO said:
It's naive to think that an extra batsmen will win you the game when other 6 have failed ...we need quality not quantity ! Even if Younas had not played the last match we would have won ..
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Quantity adds quality in batting because have depth gives license to the existing batsmen.

Also, quantity matters for batsmen while it doesn't for bowlers. This is because bowler #6 is taking away overs from bowlers #1 to 5.

But batsman #7 bats only when the others are out and no longer capable to score runs.
 
CricketAnalyst said:
Quantity adds quality in batting because have depth gives license to the existing batsmen.

Also, quantity matters for batsmen while it doesn't for bowlers. This is because bowler #6 is taking away overs from bowlers #1 to 5.

But batsman #7 bats only when the others are out and no longer capable to score runs.
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No ... 7th batsmen plays at the expense of a specialist bowler ... And your team ends up chasing 300 plus ...!!
 
they have fragile batting lineup. so playing an extra batsma makes sense.. even with strong bowling lineup it is hard to control the flow of runs after the change of rules and the two new balls... only way is to take wickets, if u r not taking wickets u obviously will go for runs....no controlling the flow of runs here in SC pitches, finally they start to understand the game better...
 
MO said:
No ... 7th batsmen plays at the expense of a specialist bowler ... And your team ends up chasing 300 plus ...!!
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Facepalm... I already explained why the specialist bowler isn't adding anything.....

Edit: Point you aren't realizing is, on this kind of wicket 300 is well below par in today's game. Pakistan are cake-walking this.
 
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110% Misbah.

This was a halwa pitch with full flow of runs. SL proved it. Our top order batsmen proved it TILL Misbah came on the crease.

Aaywaayn ee Fazool Mein tuk tuk for no reason.

Choked the easy run flow. Increased the required RR, unable to finish the job (as always) and got out, and made it harder for the batsmen to come.

What an absolute crap of a batting is this ??
 
Afridian at it again.

Umar Akmal out at 60 SR, 3 runs only.
Shehzad 70 SR, wasted 80 balls.

And the obsessed will target one of the best batters who was the highest scorer in the world recently :p
 
HamzaSaeen said:
We didn't until misbah decided to tuk the hell out on this flatbed.
No excuses today he didn't come in at 50/4
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Biased and post out of hatred.

Umar Akmal out at 60 SR, 3 runs only.
Shehzad 70 SR, wasted 80 balls.

Highest scorer in the world is just going through a bad patch. Will come back
 
I feel for fawad. He wants to hit the ball out of the park but he can't. He can't become a finisher like this. He should bat at 4. He should eat more and gain some weight also.
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I feel for fawad. He wants to hit the ball out of the park but he can't. He can't become a finisher like this. He should bat at 4. He should eat more and gain some weight also.
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My feelings exactly... He should be allowed to construct the innings .... Too bad misbah doesn't realize that...
 
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