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You can make a case for the likes of Shafiq, Shehzad, Hafeez and Rahat but big things are expected from big players and are therefore subject to more criticism.
1) Ajmal
He has been toothless in this series and once again flopped in Dubai.
Younis
2) Played a joke of a shot on the 4th morning, as a senior, he was expected to show a bit more responsibility and had he batted the same way as Misbah, we'd have drawn the game.
1) Ajmal
He has been toothless in this series and once again flopped in Dubai.
Younis
2) Played a joke of a shot on the 4th morning, as a senior, he was expected to show a bit more responsibility and had he batted the same way as Misbah, we'd have drawn the game.
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Younis for such an experienced and class player always goes missing when the team really needs him. For a senior player in a brittle batting line up that is just criminal.
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I have my issues with him and I've a thread on it as well.
For a 50 averaging batsmen, he goes missing far too often and is generally up for it in only one innings per series.
Are you for real? Ajmal cannot do magic on slow and dead wickets. Also we are talking Sri Lanka here who are fairly comfortable players of spin. Nothing much he could do on these pancakes.
Younis Khan certainly deserves the criticism for the shot he played but he is definitely not the reason for the loss. If anyone needs to be blamed it Misbah for his poor team selection and continuous backing of the same tried, tested players who should have been shown the door after the loss in Zimbabwe
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If Ajmal is the best spinner in the world and gets negated like all other spinners on flat wickets, what's the point?
Most spinners do well when the pitch offers assistance.
Ajmal is our strike bowler (which is a shame in itself) and he didn't deliver. He has been the biggest disappointment of the series and no excuse is gonna work.
Criticizing him is not blasphemous.
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1.Hafeez
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3.Shahzad
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3 of them :-
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shezad,hafeez,shafiq and pretty much every bowler except junaid.
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we should blame Younus for taking the match to 5th day, sounds logical 
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we should blame Younus for taking the match to 5th day, sounds logical
Some people will blame him in any case.
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Well in the second innings it was a poor effort from the bowlers, but in the first innings I thought they bowled pretty well.
Bottom line is, it's the batting that flopped, particularly the three that I have named above.
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Shehzad. Started slow and Sharjeel had to attack and got out.
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Hafeez and Afridi
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The Bottom five who can't score 40 runs to save their lives.
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Well afridi,shezad,maqsood and hafeez. While our tail also shares the blame but alot of it lies with these losers.
I don't understand how Hafeez is match ka mujrim. Yes he got out early but at the end when you need 60 off 50 and have 6 wickets in hand, it's not his responsibility to finish the game. Sharjeel, Maqsood, and Shehzad are all more to blame than Hafeez because they were all well set when they threw their wickets away. Hafeez has become a punching bag for dumb fans who don't know jack all about the sport but talk like they are some great analysts.
That being said, the real culprits today were Akmal, Misbah and Afridi today. All three of them threw their wickets away at a crucial time when Pakistan was on top.
That being said, the real culprits today were Akmal, Misbah and Afridi today. All three of them threw their wickets away at a crucial time when Pakistan was on top.
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the top four, pak weren't chasing 204 but 296
Afridi was miserable with bat and bowl, he should come in much later
hafeez was miserable with bat and bowl , he should be dropped
Sharjeel is a glorified pinch hitter, they need to bring in someone who has a map in his head of how to chase big scores
Maqsood is a miss and hit player and has done nothing to maintain his place in the team
The only problem with the squad is there's enough replacements for all the underachievers and all the sloggers
Afridi was miserable with bat and bowl, he should come in much later
hafeez was miserable with bat and bowl , he should be dropped
Sharjeel is a glorified pinch hitter, they need to bring in someone who has a map in his head of how to chase big scores
Maqsood is a miss and hit player and has done nothing to maintain his place in the team
The only problem with the squad is there's enough replacements for all the underachievers and all the sloggers
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Traditionally I agree, that it's the responsibility of the people who are set to finish off the match.
But when you have 5 wickets in hand and need 40 runs and you collapse like a pack of cards there's no one else to blame but the lower order.
Anyone of them sticking to the end, would have finished the match.
As it happened, Pakistan got bowled out before their overs, which is criminal in any sense.
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Misbah I think.
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Catches all round, great team effort to give srilanka some fielding practice.
Why shouldn't Afridi be dropped? He was worse than Hafeez and Sharjeel.
So now that we've dropped Afridi, Hafeez, Sharjeel and Maqsood we can line up as follows:
Shehzad
Fawad
Misbah
Akmal
Bhatti
Anwar Ali
Rehman
Gul
Ajmal
Junaid
Talha
Oh yea, you definitely know what you're talking about.
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Those three were doing the right thing. Had those shots come off, we would have won. Afridi had just come in and a cross-batted slog at that stage was unnecessary. He only had to rotate the strike and hit out when he was set.
I'd be surprised if Misbah, Akmal and Afridi weren't aware of how poor our lower order is that they didn't take it upon themselves to finish the game. Bhatti really was our last realistic chance but even asking him to get 33 of 18 is too big an ask. Gul should have probably done better but I can't look past our numbers 5, 6 & 7 if I have to blame someone for throwing it away today.
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The top order is to blame bcz they couldnt make their starts count. Even hafeez had a start as he got 19 runs. On a flat track for our top 4 to bat like this is downright criminal. The top 4 has a responsibility and its not to be 4 down for 80 ODD. In such important positions you need to be responsible or just give up and say your not good enough. Then comes the lower order who couldnt stand on the wicket for 3 minutes.
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Tbh Umar Akmal and Misbah played very good innings but should have finished it off.
Both suffered a brain-fade.
Top 4 should have scored more and Afridi was a bit unlucky.
Bhatti goes for a lot of runs. Maybe Anwar should replace him.
Both suffered a brain-fade.
Top 4 should have scored more and Afridi was a bit unlucky.
Bhatti goes for a lot of runs. Maybe Anwar should replace him.
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My point is if you blame the top order then blame all 4 of them. You can't pick and choose on the basis of who you like and dislike. Shehzad, Sharjeel, and Maqsood all got better starts than Hafeez and were more settled than him so they should get the bigger share of the blame no?
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Shehzad, Sharjeel and Maqsood combined have less matches than Hafeez. Who should take more responsibility during run-chases?
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One of Misbah or Umar should have really finished the game off. However, the top order really needs sorting out. No matter how many runs Hafeez may score at number 3 I still think he should open the batting instead and Fawad should come in at 3.
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Which is why i blamed all four. I believe all four share the blame equally. when you are the top 4 chasing such big targets. cute 20,s and 10,s wont help. You need to give a good start and the number 4 and 5 need to accumulate to win the match. Ideally today misbah shouldnt have come to bat or should have come at the end.
These things are very subjective but for me the turning point was Misbah (truly Mr. Almost) needlessly throwing his wicket away, when a wicket had gone down in the same over. With 43 required off 30 there was no need for him to take the risk at that point. He could have guided Bilawal and Umar to hit a boundary off each over.
Some of the players are going to fail in every game, there is no point in talking about everyone who failed.
Some of the players are going to fail in every game, there is no point in talking about everyone who failed.
If they aren't ready to take responsibility and handle the pressure then maybe they should play for Pakistan A.
No, you need to get in and then not throw your wicket away the way all of them did. But for me the blame at the end rests on Akmal, Misbah and Afridi's shoulders.
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Afridi. he plays like a kid. has learnt nothing from his 400 matches
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Hafeez should be first in line. Stop defending Hafeez with these straw-men arguments. These three are all below the age of 27 and have a part to play in our future. Hafeez is on his last legs and won't last past the 2015 WC. Who should be taking more responsibility?
What wrong did Akmal and Misbah do? The former played superbly and was doing well to bring the run-rate down while Misbah played a shot that was on but got unlucky with the fielder. Afridi played a rash stroke without first, getting his eye in.
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I disagree. He has learnt that he can do whatever he wants because he will always have his internet fanboys and media supporters to guarantee those sponsorship cheques keep arriving in the mail. Smart lad that Afridi.
When you defend Shehzad, Sharjeel, Maqsood and Akmal then they turn out more like Afridi because they never learn to take responsibility. And Hafeez is entitled to a failure or two at times. If he fails in 2 out of 3 matches then your argument would be that he is to blame for each of those games we lose. Do you not realize how ridiculous that sounds? Even Tendulkar and Kohli fail from time to time it happens but you can't blame the loss on them just because you expect them to win you every single game. On the other hand, when you have two set batsman that have only a few more runs to get then the responsibility is on their shoulders to finish it. Can you explain why Akmal and Misbah thought it was okay to leave it to Bhatti and Gul to finish this chase? No other team would find it acceptable.
After reading the post match comments from Misbah, it seems like he is just happy to be scoring runs and winning is not the first priority. Just tells you about the mindset. He was probably thinking, I've got my 50 and it's okay for me to get out.
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Not really.
He is saying, he is scoring runs, and others need to score runs too if Pakistan want to win.
Why must he be a one man show all the time.
Jeez, how comments get interpreted.
He is saying, he is scoring runs, and others need to score runs too if Pakistan want to win.
Why must he be a one man show all the time.
Jeez, how comments get interpreted.
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Misbah, Afridi and Akmal
He was responding to a question from Harsha. You also left out the fact that he praised Akmal for his runs today.
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Did someone wake up and finally smell the coffee today over this earth shattering discovery?
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I know this Fatullah ground like my palm (have played some matches there). The out field is so fast there that often batsman cutting hard had to hustle for a single (for the speed of the ball reaching to the fielder on boundary). 325 is par for the course here & PAK bowlers bowled brilliantly to reduce at least 35 runs. The dew in Fatullah is just perfect- just enough to bond the surface & take the swing/seam from the ball, but not heavy enough to discolor the ball or slowing the outfield. Today, probably apart from PAK, any of the other top 7 team would have won this match chasing.
On any ground, even the best of batting paradises, if the highest for top 4 is 28, one can hardly chase close to 300. In that regard, the blame should go to top 4; Misbah & Akmal just made the inevitable frustratingly close. However, if I am to personalize, I 'll put Hafeez as 2nd (because, on that paradise, you simply can't get out swinging across against someone like Mathews, specially when you have just lost your partner). But, today I think PAK lost the match for Maqsood - a top order can't pick the only fielder on boundary against that ball (Senanayek's expression tells it all). His wicket allowed Mathews to squeeze run rate with lesser bowlers & preserve overs of Malinga & Senanayek for later stages. That shot selection was horrible, match loosing shot. It was such a stupid shot that I can only say someone batting at no 10 or 11 in Indian team won't have got out to that ball, at that situation.
I believe Zaheer Abbas is enjoying his pension as the Batting consultant. During "Oval gate" time, I saw a professional Woolmer running to field to restrain his Captain, while the entire period Mr. Manager (Guess who) was laughing & gossiping over mobile. Today, in 49th over, Indian Arun Lal couldn't restrain himself digging at the intellectual capability of PAK batsmen (Normally commentators don't become so straight forward) - words were strong enough for someone with self respect & dignity to resign from the post of Batting consultant.
On any ground, even the best of batting paradises, if the highest for top 4 is 28, one can hardly chase close to 300. In that regard, the blame should go to top 4; Misbah & Akmal just made the inevitable frustratingly close. However, if I am to personalize, I 'll put Hafeez as 2nd (because, on that paradise, you simply can't get out swinging across against someone like Mathews, specially when you have just lost your partner). But, today I think PAK lost the match for Maqsood - a top order can't pick the only fielder on boundary against that ball (Senanayek's expression tells it all). His wicket allowed Mathews to squeeze run rate with lesser bowlers & preserve overs of Malinga & Senanayek for later stages. That shot selection was horrible, match loosing shot. It was such a stupid shot that I can only say someone batting at no 10 or 11 in Indian team won't have got out to that ball, at that situation.
I believe Zaheer Abbas is enjoying his pension as the Batting consultant. During "Oval gate" time, I saw a professional Woolmer running to field to restrain his Captain, while the entire period Mr. Manager (Guess who) was laughing & gossiping over mobile. Today, in 49th over, Indian Arun Lal couldn't restrain himself digging at the intellectual capability of PAK batsmen (Normally commentators don't become so straight forward) - words were strong enough for someone with self respect & dignity to resign from the post of Batting consultant.
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At the same time he criticized Akmal for a rash shot without thinking the fact that he himself got out with a rash shot
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shahzad
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top order has to score if we are to win games because we dont bat very deep.
Misbah is the only consistent bat in the middle order.
Umar Akmal, afridi, bhatti may or may not come off, top 4 has to do bulk of the scoring.
sharjeel
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maqsood
top order has to score if we are to win games because we dont bat very deep.
Misbah is the only consistent bat in the middle order.
Umar Akmal, afridi, bhatti may or may not come off, top 4 has to do bulk of the scoring.
good post. I agree that Zaheer Abbas is not the right coach for this team.
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Afridi . . should have stayed with misbah but as always 
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There's too many mujrims the top 3 for flopping Misbah + U Akmal for getting us in a winning position then choking and Afridi for being the most useless batsman ever
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He praised him before criticizing him for not finishing the game. And I don't know the questions, I read it off cricinfo.
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Gul just produced a wicket that was given not out. If anything, it's the umpires.
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umpires, gul's bowling, hafeez sitter drop, junaid khans bowling and poor captaincy by misbah
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Gul, Hafeez and Afridi.
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MISBAH UL HAQ!!!!!
Bowling the awful Umar Gul at the death and ruining a promising fast bowlers career by bowling him 7 overs straight that too on debut. Pathetic captaincy by this man once again.
Bowling the awful Umar Gul at the death and ruining a promising fast bowlers career by bowling him 7 overs straight that too on debut. Pathetic captaincy by this man once again.
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so if gul performs bad, thats also Misbah's fault 
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)Mohammad Hafeez is match ka mujrim. On paper it looks like he did well but he hasn't finished the game. It's all about finishing the game and if you don't then your runs are useless. Not to mention, this guy run out our best batsman today and dropped Jadeja who went on to make a 50. Truly atrocious performance and is the sole reason for the loss today.
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How ridiculous is this? The only guy who played with a level head and brought us close to the target, and you're saying his runs don't count?!? His runs were the base of our innings, and he made up for Misbah's run-out. Not to mention that Jadeja was plumb the over before, and the fact that he took two brilliant catches.
If this was an atrocious performance, then we must have a few Bradman's and Viv's waiting in the wings
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All our OVER-HYPED phast bowlers. Got showed their Oqaat today.
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Nigel Llong. And our ridiculous fast bowling. 260 is a very defendable total.
This. So much this. Some people are acting like 260 is the equivalent of 180 or something, with our supposed great bowling attack we had more than enough on the board to make life difficult but all the pacers have been useless.
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It's amazing how much our bowling has regressed in the last 3-4 months. How many times have we defended scores like 220!
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It wasn't enough.
Against SA Junaid and Ajmal did the impossible and defended less. This pitch is a playground. Overall the batting failed.
Think about those matches Australia v India. Is Australia a bad bowling team giving up 400? I thought so
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