Fastandfurious
First Class Captain
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- Mar 31, 2014
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Stop talking about Fawad. This thread is about Haris and how we are gonna get him into the team.
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Stop talking about Fawad. This thread is about Haris and how we are gonna get him into the team.
Shehzad doesn't have half the ability Umar has. Umar just lacks temperament, people need to understand the difference between ability and temperament.
Gul? Anwar Ali? Don't trust UA in Odis both as keeper and batsman.
Fakhar > Babar in T20s
Umar Akmal, Fawad Alam, Sohaib Maqsood and Haris Sohail
I've been saying this pretty much since I joined pakpassion.
these 4 are the future of paks middle order.
Been telling you for 4 years what quality Haris is.
On par with Akmal and this forum knows how much I support Akmal.
Akmal > Haris > Shehzad > Jamshed > Maqsood
And I'm a huge Maqsood fan
PAK r blessed.
Been telling you for 4 years what quality Haris is.
On par with Akmal and this forum knows how much I support Akmal.
Akmal > Haris > Shehzad > Jamshed > Maqsood
And I'm a huge Maqsood fan
PAK r blessed.
No way is Jamshed > Maqsood.
Haris' treatment so far has been terrible.
Not given a decent run of matches, then dropped, then declared unfit, then totally forgotten.
Hey Saj, can PP do anything to escalate this issue of Haris?
BD I have no idea why you keep backing garbage like Shehzad and Jamshed. Their flaws are so easy to expose.
Hardly anyone influences me on PP, Shehzad and Jamshed are not in the class of others you mentioned.Not garbage at all.
They are widely rated by all pundits across the world. Ian Chappel rates Jamshed. Gavaskar, Bhogle rate Shehzad.
Your opinion is influenced by some haters on PP.
I don't know about openers to be fair.Babar and Sami opening.
We've done some interviews with him.
I might try and catch up with him again. But remember some of our selectors hardly know any of these youngsters.
We've done some interviews with him.
I might try and catch up with him again. But remember some of our selectors hardly know any of these youngsters.
You guys should try tweeting or FB post with few stats and facts mentioned. That will imo catch Sethi and Sheriyar's attention. Try possibly contacting PCB because this guy is very deserving and no one wants pcb to behave with him like what it did with Fawad. This guy has all the qualities from being a fighter to being consistent and cool headed.
Agree that he should be playing all three formats. Give him a proper run.
Tests: Fawad, Shehzad, Haris, YK, Misbah, Shafiq, Sarfraz, Yasir, Zulfiqar, Wahab, Junaid.
ODIs: Shehzad, Hafeez, Haris, Fawad, Misbah, UA, Maqsood, Hammad/Bhatti ,Wahab, Irfan, Raza Hasan.
T20s: Babar Azam, Shehzad, Hafeez, Haris, Maqsood, UA, Afridi, Tanvir, Wahab, Raza, Junaid
Maqsood at #7 in ODIs is criminal. He just showed against SL that he's a batsman that should play at #1-4. To accomodate a youngster, we shouldn't mistreat another youngster.
My top 7 after the WC:
Shehzad
Amin
Fawad
Maqsood
Hafeez
Umar Akmal
Hammad
Back-ups: Haris, Sarfraz
As I said earlier, there's no room for Haris at the moment. Hafeez can open to make room, but Hafeez opening will be a disaster, especially outside the SC.
Maqsood at #7 in ODIs is criminal. He just showed against SL that he's a batsman that should play at #1-4. To accomodate a youngster, we shouldn't mistreat another youngster.
My top 7 after the WC:
Shehzad
Amin
Fawad
Maqsood
Hafeez
Umar Akmal
Hammad
Back-ups: Haris, Sarfraz
As I said earlier, there's no room for Haris at the moment. Hafeez can open to make room, but Hafeez opening will be a disaster, especially outside the SC.
Hmm yeah true, unless they make Hafeez open, which is not the brightest of decisions...I agree that Maqsood Gould be batting higher but he needs to bat at 7 till WC atleast.
Haris should not be the backup. He must be in the team. Hafeez can open. Until worldcup since Misbah is going nowhere if he performs but we are taking Misbah as specialist captain who is no good with even that job. It will be good for our worldcup chances if we drop Misbah before if this form of his continues.
sort of agree. However the only thing Amin can ever do in Pak intl colours is open. If Shehzad somehow becomes successful then amin can't be there. Plus it should be a left/right hand opening combo therefore I'd switch the two umars around. Other than that, yeah pretty much- seems a top class team.My team after the World Cup:
Umar Akmal +
Babar Azam
Umar Amin
Fawad Alam (c)
Sohaib Maqsood (vc)
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Hafeez
Wahab Riaz
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Amir
Raza Hasan
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My team after the World Cup:
Umar Akmal +
Babar Azam
Umar Amin
Fawad Alam (c)
Sohaib Maqsood (vc)
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Hafeez
Wahab Riaz
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Amir
Raza Hasan
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Plays the moving ball better than Shehzad and Hafeez, both of whom are clueless against the new ball.Umar Akmal should never open. Guy is a laughing stock in swinging conditions.
Plays the moving ball better than Shehzad and Hafeez, both of whom are clueless against the new ball.
Mamoons thinking in having Umar open is solid, you need someone who can take advantage of the early PP overs.
Umar isn't great, however Shehzad and Hafeez are absolutely clueless against a bit of swing.Really?? I have never seen him do so apart from than NZ series when he started.
And everyone is better than Hafeez at playing the moving ball.Not much to brag about there.
Gul's injuries means he is finished and Anwar is mediocre is a bowler. Wouldn't mind Fakhar though. But this isn't the thread for that.
sort of agree. However the only thing Amin can ever do in Pak intl colours is open. If Shehzad somehow becomes successful then amin can't be there. Plus it should be a left/right hand opening combo therefore I'd switch the two umars around. Other than that, yeah pretty much- seems a top class team.
All year mamoon on about Amin as opener, then puts him at 3 in his team #mamoonlogic.
Umar Akmal should NOT open, especially not until he has played test cricket.
Im Umar biggest fan, and I know his strengths. He should play 5 or 6.
Umar Akmal should never open. Guy is a laughing stock in swinging conditions.
Umar opening and Amin at three.Wahab ahead of Junaid and no Shehzad as well.
) Brilliant.
acha.The top 3 is not rigid. Its flexible and 3 of them could play anywhere across the top 3 and that is a very good option to have. As long as Amin plays across the top 3, he'd do fine.
You could open with Umar Akmal or Amin as well as Amin and Babar along with Umar Akmal and Babar. All things considering, this top 3 seems to the best bet for the future. You can throw in Sami Aslam as well but from what I've seen so far, he is not dynamic enough and his strike rate is quite low. Loves to score but at what cost? seems like a superior version of Shehzad.
As far as Shehzad's improvement is concerned, I doubt. He seems super content with his 'see off the new ball' methods which don't work in today's era. He bats at 65-70 for the chunk of his innings and manages to take it up to 80 odd after facing 100+ deliveries which is not great and hampers the team's momentum. He will be the new Misbah after Misbah.
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Lol @ your double standards. All this time, you wanted Amin to open and you thought Hafeez was a genuine all-rounder. Now, all of a sudden, you want Amin at #3 and Hafeez at #7. And then you want Fawad as captain - something you were apparently against all this time!My team after the World Cup:
Umar Akmal +
Babar Azam
Umar Amin
Fawad Alam (c)
Sohaib Maqsood (vc)
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Hafeez
Wahab Riaz
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Amir
Raza Hasan
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All year mamoon on about Amin as opener, then puts him at 3 in his team #mamoonlogic.
Umar Akmal should NOT open, especially not until he has played test cricket.
Im Umar biggest fan, and I know his strengths. He should play 5 or 6.
Lol @ your double standards. All this time, you wanted Amin to open and you thought Hafeez was a genuine all-rounder. Now, all of a sudden, you want Amin at #3 and Hafeez at #7. And then you want Fawad as captain - something you were apparently against all this time!
Joint biggest fan*.
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Judging by his stats and his performances so far in this tournament, he seems like a Trott type number 3 in that innings are built around him. Wouldn't expect outrageous shots, but he might be one who puts a high price on his wicket. Is there an immediate need for someone like that in the team? I'm not sure, I'd want to see him show the ability to change gears.
1) I've said many times Amin should open or bat at number 3 and I'm more inclined to him opening but we seem to have some good opening prospects so to accommodate them, Amin will have to drop to 3.
2) Hafeez shouldn't move down the order as long as Misbah is around. When Misbah is replaced by someone like Haris Sohail who can construct his innings at a good SR, Hafeez should move down the order because he has good finishing capabilities and can belt the ball. Hafeez is as genuine as an ODI all-rounder can be. No doubt about that.
3) I was wrong about Fawad and what he brings to the team. There is no better anchor than him in Pakistan.
Got a game early morning.
Hope he can do well.
Only way he can play for PAK is if he is the leading run scorer this tournametn
Yep, truly brilliant.
Junaid is not good enough and with Amir's return, he will have no role to play. Amir would be the leader of the attack with his new ball swing as well while Wahab would be the strike bowler - bowling in short spells throughout the innings.
Ehsan Adil seems to be the perfect third seamer for us, who really keeps things tight, doesn't spray the ball around and can swing and seam the ball as well. Has a good cricketing brain.
All three (Wahab, Ehsan and Amir) are decent with the bat; you can expect them to add 30-40 runs to the total collectively on average and once in a while, they can individually score 25-30 runs as well. This lineup has just one genuine tailender in Raza Hasan.
So basically, this team bats deeper than most teams in the world and that is what wins you ODIs. What have we achieved with so-called great bowlers like Junaid and Ajmal? what are our achievements in ODIs other than a couple of 3 match series wins in India and SA? Look at our record in the UAE, utterly disgraceful and the wickets are very flat there and teams bat us out of the games while we achieve nothing blowing the trumpet of our so called great bowlers.
With this team, you can really say with confidence that at least they won't be embarrassed in 'home' ODIs and the success of every teams starts by making its home a fortress. Currently, we have no identity at home and teams don't fear us when they tour the UAE. What's the point of winning 3 match series in India and SA when you can't beat SA and England at home? in fact get humiliated not just beat?
Inconsistent and poor results at home is minnow behavior and our recent record in UAE/Pakistan is shambolic, in spite of self-boasting the best attack in the world, which belongs in the garbage if these are the results that it yields.
This is an A grade ODI lineup for UAE, Sri Lanka, India etc as well as most of the flat pitches around the world. Its okay if it fails under a black cloud over a green top, because there is no possible XI in the country that will not so it is a moot point.
You can gloat over the great attack of Junaid and Ajmal while teams will come to our home and smash us to all parts.
My team after the World Cup:
Umar Akmal +
Babar Azam
Umar Amin
Fawad Alam (c)
Sohaib Maqsood (vc)
Haris Sohail
Mohammad Hafeez
Wahab Riaz
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Amir
Raza Hasan
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yet another unbeaten 50 at a high strike rate. what does he have to do to get in the team?
Its about time that he should be included in the team and replace misbah in middle order.
Based on this t20?
Based on this t20?
x 10000000000
he is the best batsman in Pakistan and has been performing in every format since ages
x 10000000000
he is the best batsman in Pakistan and has been performing in every format since ages
Based on this t20?
Yup. Unbelievable to see him still sit on the sidelines.
Ah yes Fawad alam he has performed against toughest international attack out there.Based on fawad performance recently in international cricket that top scorers in domestic cricket deserve a chance to see if they are good enough or no without being ignored for no reason and ******** keep on getting selected for national team.
Based on 11 centuries and 23 half centuries in 57 domestic matches that he has played so far and maintaining an average of almost 54. These stats are good enough for you to give deserving guy to prove himself?
Based on this t20?
Ah yes Fawad alam he has performed against toughest international attack out there.
Its about time that he should be included in the team and replace misbah in middle order.
Sharjeel Khan Domestic Average 38.96
Ahmed Shehzad Domestic Average 40.49
Mohammad Hafeez Domestic Average 34.67
Sohaib Maqsood Domestic Average 42.60
Misbah-ul-Haq Domestic Average 50.44
Umar Akmal Domestic Average 49.04
Fawad Alam Domestic Average 55.87
Haris Sohail Domestic Average 52.01
The record speaks for itself if compared with current batting line up.Only if domestic performance is to be considered of any use otherwise PCB should stop wasting money on arranging domestic cricket events.
Hmmm...I see more hopes in there than facts.Based on the fact that Haris and Fawad are the best players in the FC circuit.
Based on the fact that Haris Sohail is perhaps the undisputed king of T20s in Pakistan domestic.
Based in the fact that every time we have given chances to consistent performers of FC and LA(not just one) cricket they have generally worked out well for us e.g Umar Akmal, Fawad and Sohaib.(batting only)
Based on the fact that Haris has the potential to be a very good batsman.
Based on the fact that the limited chances he did recieve he was made to bat out of place sometimes below Afridi.
Based on the fact that Misbah is a good batsman who was hyped to be top class due to the inability of others around him.
Based on the fact that Fawad is performing the same role as Misbah and is doing a better job at it.
Based on the fact that Misbah is 40 and out of form and we need to move on because when 40 year olds start to lose their touch they dont recover easily.
I agree, we don't even need selectors, just pick up the first class record and select away.