Mohammad Nawaz and Imad Wasim are spin versions of Anwar Ali and Bilawal Bhatti

[Hawkeye]

You heard it here first.

There's one common thing among all these imposter allrounders - "mediocrity". They're as much of an allrounder as Sohail Tanvir is.

Nawaz, as we saw in PSL, is someone who can't properly bat. He's extremely weak against anything above 130kph and doesn't have the power game against spinners either.

His bowling is only suitable on rank turners (remember, he's 10 levels below Asghar as a spinner).

As for Imad Wasim, I think most folks have already seen enough to say he too can't bat nor bowl properly.

We needed more of batting allrounders, and neither can play consistent cricket or give us any sort of momentum at the end.

They don't have any power game and are specially weak against pace, which opposition tend to bowl at the death.

 

[Sherlock]

Imad is a decent bowler but not a turner of the ball. The less said of Nawaz the better.

 

[Hawkeye]

Extreme dearth of all-rounders.

What do we get? The saviors in Nawaz and Imad Wasim.

Question is - why can't they pick and give a chance to cricketers who at least have potential? I'm referring to people like Amir Yamin and to some extent Amad Butt.

What's the selection committee doing?

 

[fasihulhaq94]

think this thread is a knee jerk reaction. We are simply looking for people to blame. The real problem lies with our medieval top order.

 

[Hawkeye]

Imad is a decent bowler but not a turner of the ball. The less said of Nawaz the better.

He's more of a darter, and will be taken to the cleaners by any half decent bat.

And then his batting (or lack thereof). A gift!

 

[Hawkeye]

think this thread is a knee jerk reaction. We are simply looking for people to blame. The real problem lies with our medieval top order.

Not a knee jerk.

I've always maintained this stance on Nawaz/Imad, and you'll see more of it. When were they ever really good or showed good potential?

Trust me.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Imad is a decent bowler but not a turner of the ball. The less said of Nawaz the better.

I've never seen a decent spinner who can't turn the ball. I predicted England would hit him out of the ground once they realised he only has one ball, the arm ball and they soon started helping themselves.

 

[Slog]

Been saying this about Nawaz for a while. Since the PSL actually when people were acting as he is second coming of Michael Bevan

 

[shah_1]

knee jerk reaction

 

[Hawkeye]

Been saying this about Nawaz for a while. Since the PSL actually when people were acting as he is second coming of Michael Bevan

I couldn't make any sense of it.

Even the cricketers, ex-cricketers were drooling over Nawaz. A non-pro like me could tell he's going to struggle big time in international cricket, yet the pundits were in ecstasy.

You look at his bowling and the PSL pitches, you could tell he'd fail on most ODI surfaces. Compared to Asghar, the difference in quality was infinite. It was very apparent.

And batting - he has no shots, can only slog a few against the spinners, yet was hyped to the moon for some low quality knocks.

 

[fasihulhaq94]

who got the wicket??

 

[FreakCricket]

Looks like 5-0 on cards, we are deserving number 9!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I agree with OP. They can be good for 20 overs format but not for odis.

 

[Slog]

I couldn't make any sense of it.

Even the cricketers, ex-cricketers were drooling over Nawaz. A non-pro like me could tell he's going to struggle big time in international cricket, yet the pundits were in ecstasy.

You look at his bowling and the PSL pitches, you could tell he'd fail on most ODI surfaces. Compared to Asghar, the difference in quality was infinite. It was very apparent.

And batting - he has no shots, can only slog a few against the spinners, yet was hyped to the moon for some low quality knocks.

Bowling I dunno. He can be a good ODI option maybe and I'll give him benefit of doubt

But batting I said it in his first few PSL games. He is not going to be a proper batsman ever and doesn't seem equipped for it. I agree with you. I was shocked to see guys like Moody and Symcox raving about him too.

 

[Xoib]

Still better cricketers then riffatullah mohmand

 

[Hawkeye]

who got the wicket??

Doesn't mean anything. If we're playing him as a spinner (he can't bat), then why on earth you don't pick a better spinner in M. Asghar?

Even Gul got a wicket.

Think long term, not 'omg he got a wicket'.

 

[aloo paratha]

Imad hasn't done much wrong, has bowled economically.

As I say that his batting was... Well lets not comment on it

 

[Sufghan]

Our One Day Cricket is finished and to be honest we have won the world cup in it already, so nothing much to prove. Our concentration should be in Test cricket and try to be Westindies of 1980's, rubbish in one dayers and world beaters in Tests.

 

[aukhan]

Couldn't agree more with OP. We don't need two spin all-rounders in the side. If i have to pick one then i will prefer Nawaz.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

I think there is a player in Nawaz but still very raw


imad doesnt have much going for him, purely a stop gap

 

[Zaz]

Nawaz has been decent tbh with the ball Bowled well with some decent turn

More so than imad who just bowls darters

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

Why not bring Anwar Ali, Sohail Tanvir, and Bilawal Bhatti as well.

That'd be one hell of a bowling line-up

 

[BabarAkmal_Fan]

Anwar Ali was a worse bowler but a better batsman than these 2.

 

[Hawkeye]

Imad hasn't done much wrong, has bowled economically.

As I say that his batting was... Well lets not comment on it

He has gone at the same rate as Nawaz, roughly 5.. plus he can't spin it either.

Couldn't agree more with OP. We don't need two spin all-rounders in the side. If i have to pick one then i will prefer Nawaz.

I think there is a player in Nawaz but still very raw


imad doesnt have much going for him, purely a stop gap

Are you folks picking Nawaz for his 'spin'? because he can't bat.

I'd rather pick a specialist quality spinner like Asghar who can take wickets over Nawaz. Playing Nawaz only weakens my batting lineup and he waste's an allrounder, power hitter's spot.

 

[Zaz]

He has gone at the same rate as Nawaz, roughly 5.. plus he can't spin it either.





Are you folks picking Nawaz for his 'spin'? because he can't bat.

I'd rather pick a specialist quality spinner like Asghar who can take wickets over Nawaz. Playing Nawaz only weakens my batting lineup and he waste's an allrounder, power hitter's spot.

You keep saying he cant bat, he cant bat

What makes you say he cant bat? The lads been picked as an all rounder Give him at least a handful of games before you throw him on the scrap heap

 

[Markhor]

Its quite a step down from when we had Saeed Ajmal, Mohammad Hafeez and even Shahid Afridi when he could be bothered as our ODI spin attack.

Part of the reason for our ODI decline. You know Ajmal and Hafeez, even if they weren't taking wickets at least were economical and could tie the opposition down.

 

[Hawkeye]

You keep saying he cant bat, he cant bat

What makes you say he cant bat? The lads been picked as an all rounder Give him at least a handful of games before you throw him on the scrap heap

He can't bat for the position he's picked - later order, give us moment, hit a few.

Seen him at the PSL and previous international matches. Like [MENTION=139783]BabarAkmal_Fan[/MENTION] said - Anwar could hit a few. Nawaz struggles to do even that.

Sounds fair if you want to wait for him.

 

[Hawkeye]

Why not bring Anwar Ali, Sohail Tanvir, and Bilawal Bhatti as well.

That'd be one hell of a bowling line-up

We like to entertain opposition, but not that much.

 

[Justcrazy]

They are bits and pieces players , and this will happen when you play such players.

Poms went through same issues when they played all rounders ( so called ) like Ian Blackwell , Darlympane , Yardy , Solanki , Patel etc.

 

[The intelligent Supporter]

Our One Day Cricket is finished and to be honest we have won the world cup in it already, so nothing much to prove. Our concentration should be in Test cricket and try to be Westindies of 1980's, rubbish in one dayers and world beaters in Tests.

Lol Test side will be back to normal too once we return from Australia, a lot of people predict

I for one hope thats not the case

 

[itsme]

Imad is a decent bowler but not a turner of the ball. The less said of Nawaz the better.

He just bowl wicket to wicket ,nawaz at least turn the odd ball but i will play 2 bowlers instead of them hassan and asghar

 

[itsme]

Been saying this about Nawaz for a while. Since the PSL actually when people were acting as he is second coming of Michael Bevan

I couldn't make any sense of it.

Even the cricketers, ex-cricketers were drooling over Nawaz. A non-pro like me could tell he's going to struggle big time in international cricket, yet the pundits were in ecstasy.

You look at his bowling and the PSL pitches, you could tell he'd fail on most ODI surfaces. Compared to Asghar, the difference in quality was infinite. It was very apparent.

And batting - he has no shots, can only slog a few against the spinners, yet was hyped to the moon for some low quality knocks.

People just look at stats,if you watch them play you see that imad is slow medium pacer who bowl wicket to wicket,nawaz is darter who spin the odd ball when pitch is really helpful.
Asghar and zafar are real spinner ,zafar turn the ball a little more but i prefer asghar better control,more confidence in himself he is not afraid to loop the ball unlike zafar who bowl flat sometime.

 

[pakistani pride]

They are not great but they are not the main issue. You cant compete vs top teams scoring 260 odd runs. That way too less.

This will keep happening with azhar , malik and hafeez in the top 6. You will always lack behind.

After 10 overs eng were already 20 odd runs ahead while both teams just lost one wicket.

Then they bring back Gul .. ooh boy.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

We like to entertain opposition, but not that much.

Dil bara honay ka saboot daina chahye. Waisay bhi, we are going to play in the qualification round so why not go there as number 10.

Reminds me of one verse of Faiz

"Jis dhaj say koi maqtal ko gaya, woh shaan salaamat rehti hai"

 

[cricketInsight]

think this thread is a knee jerk reaction. We are simply looking for people to blame. The real problem lies with our medieval top order.

yup if the medieval top order gets fixed - these guys wont have to bat ever. So they will be world beaters.

Today was ideal position for them coming in with 4-5 overs to go and they struggled to go at run a ball which most international tailenders can beat.

 

[cricketInsight]

Gul is a better striker than both of these but he too cant bowl.

 

[Square Drive]

Nawaz is decent. One of the best in our domestics and should definitely be persisted with.

Although I do like Imad, his time should be limited. Needs to learn how to slog and bowl tighter.

 

[Abdullah]

Nawaz has a higher ceiling. Not really a slogger but can bat decently and is good enough to share 5this bowler duties

 

[Bewal Express]

Here is a novel idea- pick spinners who actually spin the ball.

 

[Khan12]

I don't know what's wrong with people. I am not a supporter of nawaz but he has done decently in the 2 matches he has played so far he is a much better bowler and a batsmen then Imad and also he plays at 3 in domestics and in international he is batting at 7 with few overs left why can't we give this job to hafeez or someone else. And some people above suggesting he can't bat if you think he can't bat then I am sorry you don't know anything about cricket, he's got his limitations but is young so hopefully he can improve on them for future odi,'s I hope to see this team;

Sami Aslam
Sharjeel/ new opener imam ul hhaq maybe
Saud shakeel
Babar azam
Haris sohail
Rizwan
Nawaz
Amir yamin
Amad butt
Hasan Ali/ zafar Gohar
Mohammed amir

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

I agree with OP. They can be good for 20 overs format but not for odis.

Even in T20Is, someone like Gayle/Yuvraj can take them to cleaners (Potentially 6 6s).

 

[ahmedzee]

They could actually use Anwar Ali type of bowler on English pitches. Not to mention he is the power hitter that is needed lower down.

 

[Khan12]

They could actually use Anwar Ali type of bowler on English pitches. Not to mention he is the power hitter that is needed lower down.

No thanks.

 

[RagingJ]

With Azhar Ali and Hafeez in the top order, Pak are always going to struggle.

I don't see why they won't get rid of Hafeez, he is terrible, Azhar Ali selection still baffles me too.

 

[Haroon786]

Its quite a step down from when we had Saeed Ajmal, Mohammad Hafeez and even Shahid Afridi when he could be bothered as our ODI spin attack.

Part of the reason for our ODI decline. You know Ajmal and Hafeez, even if they weren't taking wickets at least were economical and could tie the opposition down.

I remember our 2011 WC bowling attack - Gul at his peak, Ajmal and Hafeez both at their chucking best and Afridi too at his peak, apart from the NZ game where Pakistan conceded 100 runs in the last 5 overs of the innings, no other team managed to score more than 260 IIRC vs Pakistan, such was the wicket taking ability and RR controlling effectiveness of that attack.

There is a night and day difference between those days and today's mediocrity.

 

[msb314]

I do not like Imad one bit but [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] is being too harsh on Nawaz.

It is only his second game so he deserves far more chances before we can make a judgement on him. He just scored a fifty on debut anyway.

 

[endymion248]

People criticizing Nawaz because his batting ability has shut the door for their favorites like Asghar and Gohar.

 

[hussain.r97]

Nawaz is a decent player, still raw and has loads of room for development. Imad Wasim is just rubbish, can't believe he was picked ahead of Aamer Yamin.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Pakistani fans should lower their unrealistic expectations. Nobody becomes a world class all rounder overnight. Give them at least a couple of series before passing a judgment on them.

 

[Junaids]

Mitchell Santner is nowhere near a Test class batsman or bowler, but he is developing fine.

We all know that Misbah errs towards players who are the finished article, and are consequently already veterans.

This couple of weeks is an opportunity for Mickey Arthur to run his rule over Hasan Ali, Mohammad Nawaz and Babar Azam, and reach his own conclusions as to whether any of them are ready to play a role in Australia.

The pink ball Test is a case in point. The ball and the grassy surface mean that Yasir Shah probably has no role to play at Brisbane. All planning needs to be around getting a fourth quick (who can bat) and a part-time spinner who can bat in place of Yasir Shah.

So the daily nets in this ODI series are letting Arthur determine whether Mohammad Nawaz and Hasan Ali can play those Test roles.

But the thing about the pink ball Test is that you need a Moeen Ali more than a Yasir Shah.

 

[heddie19]

Yes i agree that we need to lower our expectations. the team is new, the captain is inexperienced but our ranking on 9 kills me. had it been 7 or 8 i would have taken it. All i want now is to move in the forward direction.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

He has gone at the same rate as Nawaz, roughly 5.. plus he can't spin it either.





Are you folks picking Nawaz for his 'spin'? because he can't bat.

I'd rather pick a specialist quality spinner like Asghar who can take wickets over Nawaz. Playing Nawaz only weakens my batting lineup and he waste's an allrounder, power hitter's spot.

Nawaz can bat, more suited to the top order like many of our player but i think he can do okay. At least better down below then anyone we have in the squad at the moment. If i had my way i would prefered yamin.

Nawaz has a heigher ceiling then imad in all forms of the game, superior batsman as well thats obvious.

Asghar or zafar should have been picked as well i agree with you there

 

[JibranAnsari]

The problem is playing two of them together , only one should be played and one should be either yamin or butt. PCB works in mysterious ways , they put Bilal Asif to open the innings then tried playing two pace all rounders together and now playing two spin all rounders together. There is no thought behind the team combination at all.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nawaz looked fairly decent and with right coaching he will become a very good player. Imad just looks like a limited hack and his bowling is that of a 6th bowling option rather then top 5.

 

[hur rizvi]

Nawaz should get more time.

Play Hassan in place of Imad or even Yasir in his place for next game

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Don't know how Imad even got a chance to play for the National team,

Nawaz offcourse is much better even though not performing upto the mark as I think he is young and new to the system. He should get more chances and hopefully should do better. But throwing him out of the team right now when we have mediocres like Azhar, Hafeez and Malik at the top is just out of the question.

 

[Pete Rose]

nawaz looks ok, he is a batter batsman. and his bowling is not entirely abysmal.
Imad is absolute dross

 

[Pete Rose]

Don't know how Imad even got a chance to play for the National team,

Nawaz offcourse is much better even though not performing upto the mark as I think he is young and new to the system. He should get more chances and hopefully should do better. But throwing him out of the team right now when we have mediocres like Azhar, Hafeez and Malik at the top is just out of the question.

azhar + sami + yasir > hafeez + imad + malik

 

[Hawkeye]

Why do you all see Nawaz as a "top order" bat because of his limitations?

He's an allrounder, supposed to bat in the late-middle or death. He can't play pace to save his life. He can't even attack against spin consistently.

We have a LOT of top or middle order bats already competing. He's not a Hafeez who can play fluently or attack opposition at the top, score brisk hundreds etc (albeit against the non-moving ball).

He's not of Hafeez's caliber in both batting or bowling. So I'm not sure why you'd like to stick with him.

 

[Hawkeye]

Mitchell Santner is nowhere near a Test class batsman or bowler, but he is developing fine.

We all know that Misbah errs towards players who are the finished article, and are consequently already veterans.

This couple of weeks is an opportunity for Mickey Arthur to run his rule over Hasan Ali, Mohammad Nawaz and Babar Azam, and reach his own conclusions as to whether any of them are ready to play a role in Australia.

The pink ball Test is a case in point. The ball and the grassy surface mean that Yasir Shah probably has no role to play at Brisbane. All planning needs to be around getting a fourth quick (who can bat) and a part-time spinner who can bat in place of Yasir Shah.

So the daily nets in this ODI series are letting Arthur determine whether Mohammad Nawaz and Hasan Ali can play those Test roles.

But the thing about the pink ball Test is that you need a Moeen Ali more than a Yasir Shah.

I'd rather invest in those with good potential.

Amir Yamin is one - who can bat fluently and hit a few as well. There's talk of Amad but don't think he can be that good.

Hasan Ali is a good bowler who can bat a bit too.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I don't understand why Zafar never got a chance ahead of Nawaz. He's potentially the best finger spinner I've seen from Pakistan in a long time. Only one of Imad/Nawaz should be playing

 

[#GreenRoars]

Both are bowlers, not batsmen and not even AR. An other group of bits and pieces AR.

 

[Junaids]

I'd rather invest in those with good potential.

Amir Yamin is one - who can bat fluently and hit a few as well. There's talk of Amad but don't think he can be that good.

Hasan Ali is a good bowler who can bat a bit too.

I know Aamer Yamin is too short and too slow to take wickets at Melbourne or Sydney.

But I think he'd take 3 or 4 wickets in the Pink Ball Test on a greentop at Brisbane, and potentially score 40 or 50 runs too.

It annoys me to see players like Iftikhar and Bilawal Bhatti and Imad Wasim playing in England this summer, when it's obvious that only Aamer Yamin and/or Hammad Azam or even Hasan Ali could do a job in the Pink Ball Test.

 

[Hawkeye]

I don't understand why Zafar never got a chance ahead of Nawaz. He's potentially the best finger spinner I've seen from Pakistan in a long time. Only one of Imad/Nawaz should be playing

If we talk about spinners, Asghar is a better spinner than Zafar. Zafar is 2nd.

Nawaz is nowhere in the picture and is not a good attack/econ spin option. Our management is so THICK, they ended up picking him as an "allrounder" because they think he can bail us out from batting troubles, hit big at the end etc.

What's INZI thinking?

 

[Hawkeye]

I know Aamer Yamin is too short and too slow to take wickets at Melbourne or Sydney.

But I think he'd take 3 or 4 wickets in the Pink Ball Test on a greentop at Brisbane, and potentially score 40 or 50 runs too.

It annoys me to see players like Iftikhar and Bilawal Bhatti and Imad Wasim playing in England this summer, when it's obvious that only Aamer Yamin and/or Hammad Azam or even Hasan Ali could do a job in the Pink Ball Test.

Those are decent choices.

We still don't have a world class AR option, and it's shocking.

 

[Khan12]

Those are decent choices.

We still don't have a world class AR option, and it's shocking.

There is not a world class all rounder at the moment anyway the world.

 

[Hawkeye]

There is not a world class all rounder at the moment anyway the world.

You've been living under a rock?

Chris Woakes is the best AR at the moment. Then, Ben Stokes, Mitch Marsh, Ashwin, there's another in IND.

Corey Anderson etc.

 

[Khan12]

You've been living under a rock?

Chris Woakes is the best AR at the moment. Then, Ben Stokes, Mitch Marsh, Ashwin, there's another in IND.

Corey Anderson etc.

None of them are world class at the moment and if you think otherwise then you need to learn a lot about cricket.

 

[90MPH]

Bits and pieces springs to mind.

I had high hopes for Imad but sadly he hasn't developed his bowling or batting while Nawaz needs to be given some more time as his bowling seems to be decent but lacks accuracy and guile/flight. His batting will get better if he works hard.

Bigger problems are bowlers like Gul and Wahab who still can't figure out what lengths to bowl despite playing around a decade at international level.

 

[gazza619]

I think both are solid allrounders. Azhar Ali lost us the 1st ODI against England, not these two.


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[endymion248]

Why do you all see Nawaz as a "top order" bat because of his limitations?

He's an allrounder, supposed to bat in the late-middle or death. He can't play pace to save his life. He can't even attack against spin consistently.

We have a LOT of top or middle order bats already competing. He's not a Hafeez who can play fluently or attack opposition at the top, score brisk hundreds etc (albeit against the non-moving ball).

He's not of Hafeez's caliber in both batting or bowling. So I'm not sure why you'd like to stick with him.

So basically your problem is that he isn't a slogger. No wonder your understanding of cricket is so limited.

Nawaz has an FC batting average of 35, which is comparable to your Yamin, and he has scored a lot of runs in England during the A-team tour (as opposed to Amad Butt, Yamin and the other supposed all-rounders).

And he is a proper bowler, he was getting drift and bounce even on the dead pitch the first ODI was played on.

Try to actually watch cricket instead of throwing away your toys because the kids you have been championning like Asghar haven't been selected.

 

[MRSN]

This is horrible squad selection. Who puts two left arm darters as specialist spinners in the same team? Can't Pakistan find one good genuine spinner for ODIs?

I always said Wasim is a very ordinary player and he has no skills with the ball. You are not going to be successful if you can't turn the ball but I have same views for Nawaz now. He really really needs few years of domestic cricket. He was bowling 4 hit me for four deliveries to Root. his lines were as good as Gul. I can't believe these players find so easy to get picked.

Pakistan desperately need genuine spinners not these darters.

 

[Hawkeye]

So basically your problem is that he isn't a slogger. No wonder your understanding of cricket is so limited.

the irony is strong here! Showing lack of cricket understanding in your post above, and accusing others.

That's why - you shouldn't sling mud at others.

Not worth replying, unless you come up with a proper argument to support your boy.

 

[MRSN]

So basically your problem is that he isn't a slogger. No wonder your understanding of cricket is so limited.

Nawaz has an FC batting average of 35, which is comparable to your Yamin, and he has scored a lot of runs in England during the A-team tour (as opposed to Amad Butt, Yamin and the other supposed all-rounders).

And he is a proper bowler, he was getting drift and bounce even on the dead pitch the first ODI was played on.

Try to actually watch cricket instead of throwing away your toys because the kids you have been championning like Asghar haven't been selected.

proper bowler? He was bowling 10 awful deliveries and one good how is he called a proper bowler? Even Malik was bowling better than so called proper bowler.

 

[Zed_mann]

if both are considered as all rounders, why dont they promote one, up the order.

We can replace hafeez with an additional bowler

 

[ExplicitAI]

I think that Nawaz is still too raw, he can become a good allrounder if he is persisted with. Both Nawaz and Imad are not sloggers and they're the wrong choice for the lower order position where you need someone to up the tempo. Imad however doesn't have much to his bowling in terms of variety, all he has is the arm ball. The thing is that we're looking for spinners but have chosen Imad and Nawaz so that our tail is shorter, we wanted spinners that can bat. I'd suggest replacing one of these two with a fast bowling allrounder that can hit hard with the bat.

 

[street cricketer]

Both are bowlers, not batsmen and not even AR. An other group of bits and pieces AR.

They belong to the group of Axar Patel.

 

[Bilal7]

If we must play four of these "all-rounders" in our ODI team, at least let it be one each from the pace bowling and spin bowling variety.

Mohammad Nawaz and Bilawal Bhatti seem to be the better options.

 

[Bilal7]

Pakistan deserves to be in this predicament by not valuing a champion spinner like Ajmal.

 

[Khan12]

Pakistan deserves to be in this predicament by not valuing a champion spinner like Ajmal.

He is useless now anyway. All he does nowadays is just talk all trash and I am so happy that he is not playing was a fan of his but he thinks he can play on his previous performances. Plus he is 38 years old a poor batter fielder and a poor bowlers nowadays. If he gets selected again I am going to take cricket seriously I think I got a chance of making it.