Mohammad Rizwan : A bubble that will burst against good bowling and teams in the ICC T20 World Cup

[iniqbal223]

Since T20 WC is around the corner , I will just do T20 & ODI comparison:

I am not a Sarfaraz fan , but a deep dive to Rizwan's inflated heroics can help to manage our expectations

Rizwan top innings vs teams (excluding Zimbabwe , since they are not in T20 WC)

89 vs NZ (Bowlers : Boult, Southee) good innings

17(17 balls ) vs NZ (Santner, Duffee, Tickner) No Boult, Southee, etc.

22(20 balls ) vs NZ (Southee, Boult, Neesham)

104 * vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Fortuin, Seyman , Dala)

74 * vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

73* vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

82 vs Zimbabwe
91* vs Zimbabwe

14 (16 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

31 (33 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

0 vs Australia (Starc 1st ball duck)

63 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Saqib, Wiley, etc.) Moeen did not bowl
37 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Jordan bowled 1 over, Rashid, Moeen)

=====
ODIs
=====

74 vs England (Bowlers : Saqib, Parkinson, Gregory, etc.)

40 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

0 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

2 vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Hendriks, Smuts)

104 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Kane Richardson) No Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, etc.

115 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Jhye Richardson) No Starc, Halewood, Cummins, etc.


=== The most overhyped cricketer for sure===

 

[Rana]

It will.

And even if it doesn’t he will still be pointless with his mediocre sr of 130 as a T20 opener. He is no harm to anyone

 

[gazza619]

Try as hard as you can, Rizwan is on the verge on greatness.

 

[Concerned]

It’s easy to criticise, who is the savour wicket keeper on the sidelines who can keep as good as Rizwan and perform against the bigger teams?

 

[iniqbal223]

It’s easy to criticise, who is the savour wicket keeper on the sidelines who can keep as good as Rizwan and perform against the bigger teams?

He never performed against bigger teams (full strength, not C/D/Z team) so far; so you know the answer yourself

 

[iniqbal223]

Try as hard as you can, Rizwan is on the verge on greatness.

Yes, greatness to score against Zimbabwe, Uganda, PNG, Oman

He will fail even against Afghanistan and Bangladesh in T20 WC; and watch how Indian bowling will toy with him leaving him with 22 balls 12 runs

 

[asadee]

Silliest thread of the decade

 

[ataullah]

Ask any neutral and even English commentators and experts and they will say Rizwan is top tier and ask a Pak fan and he will have no clue just like the pak management.

 

[iniqbal223]

Ask any neutral and even English commentators and experts and they will say Rizwan is top tier and ask a Pak fan and he will have no clue just like the pak management.

Numbers don't lie
Rizwan is top tier is the biggest joke

 

[iniqbal223]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp4cU55c4V8

This is called main team bowling attack

 

[Rana]

Silliest thread of the decade

OP will be vindicated

 

[Shahzad1985]

Criticism of Rizwan on here is really delusional.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

It will.

And even if it doesn’t he will still be pointless with his mediocre sr of 130 as a T20 opener. He is no harm to anyone

Yeah and Sharjeel will do so much better

 

[GreenKhan]

What a pathetic thread.

Can you also post the score cards of those innings as well especially the T20s so we can see how bad he compared to his other peers in those matches.

The guy is averaging something like 80 inT20 cricket this year and people still have to write such absurd posts .

 

[ataullah]

Numbers don't lie
Rizwan is top tier is the biggest joke

Numbers? Most t20i runs in the world for 2021...u surely are a sarfrazian?

 

[iniqbal223]

Yeah and Sharjeel will do so much better

Why not; at least he thrashed Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins in Australia

 

[hitthestump]

The more you hate on Rizwan the more he'll end up proving you wrong.

I'm amazed his haters haven't given up yet.

 

[badsha001]

you can easily spot shills who are trying their best to put down Rizwan.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Starc and Cummings have gone for plenty in T20 games.A couple of big hitters can win T20 against any team.WI trashed Australia in in T20 last week.

 

[thecrusade911]

And what about Babar Azam. Has he ever scored runs against big teams at a very good strike rate???

 

[thecrusade911]

Rizwan has been Pakistans best T20 batsman for almost a year now, even batter than Babar Azam. If he is not good enough then Babar is also not good enough.

 

[PakPremi]

Since T20 WC is around the corner , I will just do T20 & ODI comparison:

I am not a Sarfaraz fan , but a deep dive to Rizwan's inflated heroics can help to manage our expectations

Rizwan top innings vs teams (excluding Zimbabwe , since they are not in T20 WC)

89 vs NZ (Bowlers : Boult, Southee) good innings

17(17 balls ) vs NZ (Santner, Duffee, Tickner) No Boult, Southee, etc.

22(20 balls ) vs NZ (Southee, Boult, Neesham)

104 * vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Fortuin, Seyman , Dala)

74 * vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

73* vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

82 vs Zimbabwe
91* vs Zimbabwe

14 (16 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

31 (33 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

0 vs Australia (Starc 1st ball duck)

63 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Saqib, Wiley, etc.) Moeen did not bowl
37 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Jordan bowled 1 over, Rashid, Moeen)

=====
ODIs
=====

74 vs England (Bowlers : Saqib, Parkinson, Gregory, etc.)

40 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

0 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

2 vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Hendriks, Smuts)

104 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Kane Richardson) No Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, etc.

115 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Jhye Richardson) No Starc, Halewood, Cummins, etc.


=== The most overhyped cricketer for sure===

These are damn good scores including the top teams he has played in this period. Long may it continue.

 

[iniqbal223]

And what about Babar Azam. Has he ever scored runs against big teams at a very good strike rate???

Babar has longer career in T20 where he faced some amazing bowling in his career at the start and also scored heavily against them

unlike Rizwan , who only scores against C/D bowling or it has be Zimbabwe

 

[Rana]

Babar has longer career in T20 where he faced some amazing bowling in his career at the start and also scored heavily against them

unlike Rizwan , who only scores against C/D bowling or it has be Zimbabwe

Or it has to be as an opener where he can have a free hit with 2 fielders in

Even Hussain Talat can have a golden run like Rizwan if he is allowed to open and is told that he will not be dropped until he can score that 80 odd like Rizwan did against NZ

 

[Shoaibbtt]

I think Rizwan has done quite well as a t20 opener, we gotta stick to t20 and not focus on the odi stats at hand.

He's played a lone hand at times and you'd be foolish to replace him right now. Rizwan-Babar are your established openers for me right now and if they have a big partnership it gives guys like Moqsood to play their shots and provide Pakistan with a winning total as oppose to par just like in the 1st t20 versus England.

We have to remember as well that the cup will be played on home-like conditions so it will favour our batsmen more.

Trust me win or lose tomorrow we have a solid top 3 in my eyes. If Hafeez and Fakhar get their act together we are favs to win.

 

[shamaan]

He's on the verge of greatness

 

[JibranAnsari]

make a thread of any pakistani batsman to fail , eventually will happen. Doesnt take a genius.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Troll thread. This is blind hatred.

Rizwan is the best T20 opener Pakistan has ever had alongside Babar. You want to refute this statement then bring either stats or analysis into discussion. Any neutral person would not be able to refute this statement and I'm sure anyone who would refute this in here would start their arguments with "if" "but" or their personal opinions rather than facts. The fact as it stands he is the most successful opener we have had till date. Haters will simply hate.

 

[Walawalkar]

Guys Seriously... Rizwan justified his place in the team solely base on his world class keeping.. what comes apart from that take it as a bonus
Who you will replace in his position..Azam Khan,Rohail Nazeer or Akmals..

 

[MesonK]

Since T20 WC is around the corner , I will just do T20 & ODI comparison:

I am not a Sarfaraz fan , but a deep dive to Rizwan's inflated heroics can help to manage our expectations

Rizwan top innings vs teams (excluding Zimbabwe , since they are not in T20 WC)

89 vs NZ (Bowlers : Boult, Southee) good innings

17(17 balls ) vs NZ (Santner, Duffee, Tickner) No Boult, Southee, etc.

22(20 balls ) vs NZ (Southee, Boult, Neesham)

104 * vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Fortuin, Seyman , Dala)

74 * vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

73* vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

82 vs Zimbabwe
91* vs Zimbabwe

14 (16 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

31 (33 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

0 vs Australia (Starc 1st ball duck)

63 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Saqib, Wiley, etc.) Moeen did not bowl
37 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Jordan bowled 1 over, Rashid, Moeen)

=====
ODIs
=====

74 vs England (Bowlers : Saqib, Parkinson, Gregory, etc.)

40 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

0 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

2 vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Hendriks, Smuts)

104 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Kane Richardson) No Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, etc.

115 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Jhye Richardson) No Starc, Halewood, Cummins, etc.


=== The most overhyped cricketer for sure===

So Rizwan is scoring 50s and 100s against SENA sides for fun but he is overhyped but Sarfaraz the legend averages 15 and 16, 23 in SENA but he deserves a chance. These people will do anything in ethnic hatred.

 

[Ahmed_99]

Why are some of us Pakistani fans so blind and thick? Yes, CLEARLY Pakistan's problems right now is Rizwan who's been consistently scoring runs ever since he's come back into the side.....

Honestly, some of you guys need to get a grip. How can you be criticising him? Nearly every team in the world would kill for a player like him, yet some of us Pakistan fans think he's a below average cricketer

 

[wajid]

Feel pity for some who are so much consumed by blind hate. These guys have lost all credibility.

 

[iniqbal223]

Why are some of us Pakistani fans so blind and thick? Yes, CLEARLY Pakistan's problems right now is Rizwan who's been consistently scoring runs ever since he's come back into the side.....

Honestly, some of you guys need to get a grip. How can you be criticising him? Nearly every team in the world would kill for a player like him, yet some of us Pakistan fans think he's a below average cricketer

Really!

His honeymoon will be over in weeks to come; and I am pretty sure; most of fans will come here and justify that he is the biggest fluke of Pakistan cricket

I am surprised how come Rizwan survived without facing any quality opposition... Starc just demolished him in Australia

 

[iniqbal223]

Hi Sikandar Bakht/Sarfaraz himself !

So Rizwan is scoring 50s and 100s against SENA sides for fun but he is overhyped but Sarfaraz the legend averages 15 and 16, 23 in SENA but he deserves a chance. These people will do anything in ethnic hatred.

Rizwan played as opened
Sarf played as 5/6/7 th batsman

Rizwan played against all the non sensical bowling till date (you can double check) The only time he struggled when he faced top Australian bowling

2 years back, we were top T20 team, and except for rare case, every other team played almost full strength against us

--
Dont worry , time is not far when your eyes will be opened

 

[iniqbal223]

Worst against the Best :


14 (16 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

31 (33 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

0 vs Australia (Starc 1st ball duck)


Blind Rizwan fans might think this WILL go to 6

 

[Hawkeye]

This is what I've been saying for a long time.

Unfortunately people don't really look at how someone bats and the opposition quality.

They just blindly look at some falsely inflated runs column and go "oh wow!".

Rizwan is that case. He doesn't have it in him to do well at a big stage or against any decent bowling.

There was a time when Sarfraz too had a purple patch. He was scoring. But that was massively inflated due to minnow bashing and people used to think we've found our hero.

I spoke out against him too.

Rizwan isn't much different and also a very limited batter, not good enough for LOI cricket of today.

 

[iniqbal223]

This is what I've been saying for a long time.

Unfortunately people don't really look at how someone bats and the opposition quality.

They just blindly look at some falsely inflated runs column and go "oh wow!".

Rizwan is that case. He doesn't have it in him to do well at a big stage or against any decent bowling.

There was a time when Sarfraz too had a purple patch. He was scoring. But that was massively inflated due to minnow bashing and people used to think we've found our hero.

I spoke out against him too.

Rizwan isn't much different and also a very limited batter, not good enough for LOI cricket of today.

Finally someone who is really following Pakistan cricket , and watching matches

Rizwan;'s first small test is to take Pakistan over the line tomorrow (may be for the first time in almost a month , England would want to play some serious cricket tomorrow to win the series)

 

[Savak]

Thank God we have selectors in the PCB and that individuals over here are not in charge of selection

 

[iniqbal223]

In reality , this is the England side

Roy
Bairstow
Moeen
Morgan
Livingstone
Butler
Stokes
Woakes
Sam Curran
Archer
Rashid

==== And what we are playing against???

 

[Gullycricket]

So what's your point. Can u put any other WK batsman in that position who can post better numbers . We have far bigger problems than him . Ideally I will want a keeper like Butler. But do we have. Rizwan is great at what he does. He hasn't done much different than Babar in last one and a half years and still gets criticism. Let's enjoy his purple patch. Till it lasts you should have Shame and admit he's one of the best right now. After he starts struggling you can come creeping from your hole.

 

[Finisher]

Rizwan has a 30 40 and 90 versus starc Cummins and Hazelwood the last time he toured Australia.. That was when he was not a certain starter.

Now he is in the form of his life and confidence is up, he totally deserves to open for Pakistan in T20s and ODIs, total Impact player, when he has a good day Pakistan wins.
The only thing I dislike about him is when he gets dismissed looking like a tailender

Sarfraz looks technically better and if he had carried on opening in T20s and at number 4 in ODIS he could have had a successful career, he has only himself to blame when he demoted himself for Hafeez.

 

[iniqbal223]

So what's your point. Can u put any other WK batsman in that position who can post better numbers . We have far bigger problems than him . Ideally I will want a keeper like Butler. But do we have. Rizwan is great at what he does. He hasn't done much different than Babar in last one and a half years and still gets criticism. Let's enjoy his purple patch. Till it lasts you should have Shame and admit he's one of the best right now. After he starts struggling you can come creeping from your hole.

Read the post properly

I highlighted using NUMBERS; how awful Rizwan is against average or better teams; HE just inflated his records against minnows and C teams ; Would be happy to see if he has calibre to deliver against good bowling

until then; he is overhyped cricketer in history of cricket

 

[Swashbuckler]

He may still make these cute 30s and 40s at 120-130 SR against the big boys. But is that good enough? It is 2021 and teams have finally started correcting their batting approach in T20 cricket.

Pakistan seems to be making the same mistake as Indian team. We may go with Kohli-Rohit opening pair in the WC and that will more or less cost us the trophy. Players like Kohli, Root, Kane, Babar, Rizwan were ok 3-4 years back but not now, teams have perfected T20 tactics/strategy. Max you can accommodate one such player in your XI and only if he offers a secondary skill or is damn clutch like Marlon Samuels.

I still don't understand why Pak persists with this outdated approach at the top of the order. Fakhar-Sharjeel is the best way to go forward, Babar can slot in at number 3 and Rizwan further down the order. Only reason Rizwan should play is because other keeper options are worse.

As an Indian fan I would love to see Babar-Rizwan open and finish with 40/1 in the PP overs, that will ensure firm control over the innings for us. They don't have the ability to rattle our bowlers, your explosive southpaws can do precisely that. ICC trophies aren't won by conservative approach, more true in T20 WC.

 

[Gullycricket]

Read the post properly

I highlighted using NUMBERS; how awful Rizwan is against average or better teams; HE just inflated his records against minnows and C teams ; Would be happy to see if he has calibre to deliver against good bowling

until then; he is overhyped cricketer in history of cricket

Ok who u think is the WK batsman who will perform and is your best bet against top bowling attacks and one who doesn't inflate his avg against weak teams?

 

[Baigel]

I honestly never thought that he’d be a long term solution to our problems. He’s a good batsman, probably Pakistan’s best in the past year.

But his problem is that he isn’t a bully. Open and watch any single one of his innings, apart from 1 or 2 boundaries, none of his shots look convincing. He relies more on putting away the poor balls, and playing high risk cricket to score his runs. There’s not a problem with that, but when it’s your only source of runs then it becomes an issue. And this is seen when he struggles against the good teams and isn’t able to score of the good balls, similar to the last game and the one before. He does end up scoring a few runs, but they’re not convincing at all. Overall, he’s as good as an opener Pakistan have atm in T20I but pales in comparison to his international counter parts

His demise as a batsman will come the moment he runs out of form

 

[globalcitizen]

Rizwan can hold his place his team purely as a batsmen, and his excellent keeping puts him in the dhoni and sanga categories. pakistan should be lucky to have him in team. May be even captaincy potential in there.

 

[MRSN]

Some Pakistani fans have such a poor understanding of the game or may be there are people with certain propoganda attacking someone who has been their best batsman.

First of all you need to realise how bad Pakistani batting is because if it was not for this buuble Pakistan would have struggled to beat even Zimbabwe. I am sure you have a certain agenda because you have not seen that series at all.

Rizwan is not a world beater but he is still Pakistan's best batsman after Baber and he is a also a world class keeper and he is fit as top player.

It's either being naive or having an agenda that some people attack the best we have rather than looking at other misfit players.

 

[MRSN]

Also Rizwan and Baber have shown that after them our batting looks as good as any associate team. It's an incredible amount of pressure these two face when they come to bat because they know if they don't perform the team most likely loses so we have to take that into context as well. We are really really short of gooe batting resources. I mean we are making Azam Khan debut that just tells you how good is the batting options we have.

Rizwan should be the least of our worries. As Mamoon says we have no talent. So we should see the reality. When we good good talent then you can cry about dominanting good teams.

 

[MesonK]

Rizwan played as opened
Sarf played as 5/6/7 th batsman

Rizwan played against all the non sensical bowling till date (you can double check) The only time he struggled when he faced top Australian bowling

2 years back, we were top T20 team, and except for rare case, every other team played almost full strength against us

--
Dont worry , time is not far when your eyes will be opened

be informed, you made me do this.

Muhammad Rizwan (MR)/Sarfaraz Ahmad (SA)

TESTS

Away average 41.2/32.8 MR>SA

Home average 50.25/42.0 MR>SA

Averages in SENAW


vs SA ---- No data/16.25
vs ENG ---- 40.2/24.8 MR>SA MR faced attack of Anderson, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Stokes
vs NZ ---- 43.0/17.2 MR>SA MR faced attack of Southee, Boult, Wagner, Jaimeson
vs AUS ---- 44.2/38.6 MR>SA MR faced attack of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Lyon
vs WI ---- No data/28

Sarfaraz humiliation does not stop here.

50s in total Innings in SENA

6 x 50s in 8 innings (75 % 50s per innings) / 4 x 50s in 34 innings (11.7 % 50s per innings ROFL) MR>SA

You probably hate Rizwan because he replaced undeserving Sarfaraz and with his performance he just can not be replaced anymore. Blind ethnic love is deluding you.

 

[MesonK]

be informed, you made me do this.

Muhammad Rizwan (MR)/Sarfaraz Ahmad (SA)

TESTS

Away average 41.2/32.8 MR>SA

Home average 50.25/42.0 MR>SA

Averages in SENAW


vs SA ---- No data/16.25
vs ENG ---- 40.2/24.8 MR>SA MR faced attack of Anderson, Broad, Archer, Woakes, Stokes
vs NZ ---- 43.0/17.2 MR>SA MR faced attack of Southee, Boult, Wagner, Jaimeson
vs AUS ---- 44.2/38.6 MR>SA MR faced attack of Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Lyon
vs WI ---- No data/28

Sarfaraz humiliation does not stop here.

50s in total Innings in SENA

6 x 50s in 8 innings (75 % 50s per innings) / 4 x 50s in 34 innings (11.7 % 50s per innings ROFL) MR>SA

You probably hate Rizwan because he replaced undeserving Sarfaraz and with his performance he just can not be replaced anymore. Blind ethnic love is deluding you.

More to come ... Rizwan rips apart Sarfaraz in deep stats. Sarfaraz blocked Fawad Alam's place in middle order batsman in 2017-2019 and now he is gonna block Rohail Nazir as WK and Saud Shakeel as a middle order batsman. Sarfaraz Ahmad is the biggest burden on Pakistani squad since Imran Farhat.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Since T20 WC is around the corner , I will just do T20 & ODI comparison:

I am not a Sarfaraz fan , but a deep dive to Rizwan's inflated heroics can help to manage our expectations

Rizwan top innings vs teams (excluding Zimbabwe , since they are not in T20 WC)

89 vs NZ (Bowlers : Boult, Southee) good innings

17(17 balls ) vs NZ (Santner, Duffee, Tickner) No Boult, Southee, etc.

22(20 balls ) vs NZ (Southee, Boult, Neesham)

104 * vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Fortuin, Seyman , Dala)

74 * vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

73* vs SA (Bowlers : Linde, Lizaad, Magala)

82 vs Zimbabwe
91* vs Zimbabwe

14 (16 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

31 (33 balls) vs Australia (Bowlers : Starc, Cummins)

0 vs Australia (Starc 1st ball duck)

63 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Saqib, Wiley, etc.) Moeen did not bowl
37 vs England (Bowlers : Tom Curran, Jordan bowled 1 over, Rashid, Moeen)

=====
ODIs
=====

74 vs England (Bowlers : Saqib, Parkinson, Gregory, etc.)

40 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

0 vs SA (Bowlers : Rabada, Ngidi, Nortje)

2 vs SA (Bowlers : Sipmala, Hendriks, Smuts)

104 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Kane Richardson) No Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins, etc.

115 vs Australia in UAE 2019 (Bowlers : Stoinis, NCN, Jhye Richardson) No Starc, Halewood, Cummins, etc.


=== The most overhyped cricketer for sure===

Some strokes that he suddenly plays out of nowhere, are so horrible that you doubt if he is a cricket player at all???

I guess he is a hit or a miss, when it comes to skill and ability but one thing he does ace is the ability to fight.
He doesn’t back off, neither does he go into a classical Pakistani, selfish tuk Tuk mode to secure his spot in the team. And I like it.

He fights for the team and not for his personal spot!

And then we really don’t have a good bench strength, so we should be happy to place our bets on him.

 

[iniqbal223]

More to come ... Rizwan rips apart Sarfaraz in deep stats. Sarfaraz blocked Fawad Alam's place in middle order batsman in 2017-2019 and now he is gonna block Rohail Nazir as WK and Saud Shakeel as a middle order batsman. Sarfaraz Ahmad is the biggest burden on Pakistani squad since Imran Farhat.

Sarfaraz is a wicket keeper, Fawad is not
At least give logical reason rather than throwing random names.. In 2017 , Rohail Nazir was not ready, not sure he is even ready today to play test match

 

[iniqbal223]

More to come ... Rizwan rips apart Sarfaraz in deep stats. Sarfaraz blocked Fawad Alam's place in middle order batsman in 2017-2019 and now he is gonna block Rohail Nazir as WK and Saud Shakeel as a middle order batsman. Sarfaraz Ahmad is the biggest burden on Pakistani squad since Imran Farhat.

Go back to the post and read it loud
RIZWAN SO FAR PLAYED AGAINST EITHER ZIMBABWE OR C TEAMS

And any performance against weak teams is not an indicator that Rizwan is a good batsman; he struggled badly against only one full strength bowling attack he faced in T20s against Starc, Cummins

Sarfaraz did not have to face C teams in his career;


I would urge you to read the post multiple times if you can not understand it

 

[iniqbal223]

Also Rizwan and Baber have shown that after them our batting looks as good as any associate team. It's an incredible amount of pressure these two face when they come to bat because they know if they don't perform the team most likely loses so we have to take that into context as well. We are really really short of gooe batting resources. I mean we are making Azam Khan debut that just tells you how good is the batting options we have.

Rizwan should be the least of our worries. As Mamoon says we have no talent. So we should see the reality. When we good good talent then you can cry about dominanting good teams.

Because we are accommodating Rizwan at top ; as he can not score runs quickly in T20

If he is so legendary why not he come down the order

 

[Hitman]

I'm an Indian and I can only laugh at those who are speaking against Rizwan

You guys deserve players like Sarfaraz instead.

 

[iniqbal223]

He may still make these cute 30s and 40s at 120-130 SR against the big boys. But is that good enough? It is 2021 and teams have finally started correcting their batting approach in T20 cricket.

Pakistan seems to be making the same mistake as Indian team. We may go with Kohli-Rohit opening pair in the WC and that will more or less cost us the trophy. Players like Kohli, Root, Kane, Babar, Rizwan were ok 3-4 years back but not now, teams have perfected T20 tactics/strategy. Max you can accommodate one such player in your XI and only if he offers a secondary skill or is damn clutch like Marlon Samuels.

I still don't understand why Pak persists with this outdated approach at the top of the order. Fakhar-Sharjeel is the best way to go forward, Babar can slot in at number 3 and Rizwan further down the order. Only reason Rizwan should play is because other keeper options are worse.

As an Indian fan I would love to see Babar-Rizwan open and finish with 40/1 in the PP overs, that will ensure firm control over the innings for us. They don't have the ability to rattle our bowlers, your explosive southpaws can do precisely that. ICC trophies aren't won by conservative approach, more true in T20 WC.

Babar-Rizwan combination will be 20-2 in PP
Though a small sample, but Rizwan was exposed badly against Australia (the only series where he played top players)

 

[Abdurmirr]

Go back to the post and read it loud
RIZWAN SO FAR PLAYED AGAINST EITHER ZIMBABWE OR C TEAMS

And any performance against weak teams is not an indicator that Rizwan is a good batsman; he struggled badly against only one full strength bowling attack he faced in T20s against Starc, Cummins

Sarfaraz did not have to face C teams in his career;


I would urge you to read the post multiple times if you can not understand it

Sarfraz faced many C teams and failed. The only reason why Sarfraz's T20 team even become number one was because of the number of C teams we faced at home.

Rizwan has also performed has only played 2 series against top bowling line ups: one was in 2019 where he was making a return and the second was against NZ where he played a match winning innings in a run chase against a high quality line up.

Also it's funny your calling Rizwan a poor batsmen and yet your ignoring his test record. A 95 vs Australia at the Gabba, couple of fifties vs England and a 100 against an SA line up with Rabada, Nortje and Maharaj.

 

[iniqbal223]

Sarfraz faced many C teams and failed. The only reason why Sarfraz's T20 team even become number one was because of the number of C teams we faced at home.

Rizwan has also performed has only played 2 series against top bowling line ups: one was in 2019 where he was making a return and the second was against NZ where he played a match winning innings in a run chase against a high quality line up.

Also it's funny your calling Rizwan a poor batsmen and yet your ignoring his test record. A 95 vs Australia at the Gabba, couple of fifties vs England and a 100 against an SA line up with Rabada, Nortje and Maharaj.

Read the post

we are talking about white ball cricket only

 

[Abdurmirr]

Read the post

we are talking about white ball cricket only

As I said he has played 2 T20 series against quality opposition, one was when he had just returned to the team and I'll admit he did very poor but in the second he ensured we weren't whitewashed and won a stiff run chase against a strong opposition.

Please tell me when has Sarfraz or Sharjeel ever played a match winning innings against a strong opposition in a run chase?

 

[iniqbal223]

I'm an Indian and I can only laugh at those who are speaking against Rizwan

You guys deserve players like Sarfaraz instead.

u can laugh on our misfortune; Ever since this Misbah disease happened to us;; we are just going either downhill or getting stuck

You are lucky, your BCCI might be a bullying board, but one thing they know which PCB idiots never understood
"Building greater and match winning teams & players, will bring more $$$ "

Here, we are still making Misbah look like a saint (the one who just played for himself)

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Not sure if OP is serious or joking.

He just posted Rizwan's AWESOME numbers against ALL opposition, much of it in alien, away conditions, against best bowlers in the world, to prove he is not good?

Really struggling with this post.

 

[Smbhayi]

He never performed against bigger teams (full strength, not C/D/Z team) so far; so you know the answer yourself

Lol others even not performing against these c/d/z teams.. Seriously why pak fans wants to drop only performing guy?

 

[ugem]

Don't know why few are more interested in Fixing what's working rather what's not.

 

[Salman4.]

These are the same people who think Sarfaraz's innings agst Ireland is the greatest in the history of sport.

 

[Rana]

Don't know why few are more interested in Fixing what's working rather what's not.

You can’t fix anything as long as Babar/Rizwan are not taken out of their comfort zone 129 strike rates

 

[Ashmal]

In reality , this is the England side

Roy
Bairstow
Moeen
Morgan
Livingstone
Butler
Stokes
Woakes
Sam Curran
Archer
Rashid

==== And what we are playing against???

So is it Rizwan's fault that some Eng players are injured/resting/caught Covid.

So going by your logic, if Rizwan should be dropped even after being the top-scorer then what about others....who can't score even against 'weak' bowlers.

You should ask for the whole team to change.

 

[Rana]

So is it Rizwan's fault that some Eng players are injured/resting/caught Covid.

So going by your logic, if Rizwan should be dropped even after being the top-scorer then what about others....who can't score even against 'weak' bowlers.

You should ask for the whole team to change.

It isn’t his fault but Rizwan is very lucky, and you should be sensible enough to realise how lucky he has been.

If you don’t like a player, for instance people who don’t like Harris Rauf would argue that his wickets are cheap and pointless as well. And those who like him would argue that it ‘isn’t his fault’ that he gets out the weaker batsmen or the players put before him.

 

[Ashmal]

He may still make these cute 30s and 40s at 120-130 SR against the big boys. But is that good enough? It is 2021 and teams have finally started correcting their batting approach in T20 cricket.

Pakistan seems to be making the same mistake as Indian team. We may go with Kohli-Rohit opening pair in the WC and that will more or less cost us the trophy. Players like Kohli, Root, Kane, Babar, Rizwan were ok 3-4 years back but not now, teams have perfected T20 tactics/strategy. Max you can accommodate one such player in your XI and only if he offers a secondary skill or is damn clutch like Marlon Samuels.

I still don't understand why Pak persists with this outdated approach at the top of the order. Fakhar-Sharjeel is the best way to go forward, Babar can slot in at number 3 and Rizwan further down the order. Only reason Rizwan should play is because other keeper options are worse.

As an Indian fan I would love to see Babar-Rizwan open and finish with 40/1 in the PP overs, that will ensure firm control over the innings for us. They don't have the ability to rattle our bowlers, your explosive southpaws can do precisely that. ICC trophies aren't won by conservative approach, more true in T20 WC.

Babar/Rizwan can give 45/0 starts in PP quite regularly and you can still score 180+ from that position.

With Fakhar/Sharjeel Pakistan will be going 2 wickets down in powerplay 7 out of 10 times which will only further increase pressure on an already fragile middle-order under....also it's not that Sharjeel/Fakhar are going to score 70 in PP.....on avg they will be 50/2 after PP, so not a huge difference in terms of runs.

This fearless approach can be adopted by superior batting sides like Eng/Ind but for fragile batting lineups highly dependent on 1-2 players it's not suitable

 

[wrongun]

Nah mate, Rizwan is good.

Blind Freddy can see he's 2 levels above your other bloke (Sarfaz) in terms of batting technique;
keeping superior from the series I have seen;
temperament probably better suited to leadership. Sarfraz regarded as a "fighter" because he yells & teapots & harangues bowlers but didn't produce any actual fight. Rizwan gets some performances from his team + produces winning efforts himself, which grows the team when they believe Captain can back up his words.

Rizwan & Shaheen first on the team sheet.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Dont want to bring region into this but Karachites have been a thorn in Pakistan cricket forever. Whether that is in the form of media personnel like Sikander Bakht, players like Sarfaraz or fans like the OP

Their support and love for Karachi is greater than their support of Pakistan.

Inshallah Pakistan will manage to remove this thorn once and for good.

 

[Ashmal]

It isn’t his fault but Rizwan is very lucky, and you should be sensible enough to realise how lucky he has been.

If you don’t like a player, for instance people who don’t like Harris Rauf would argue that his wickets are cheap and pointless as well. And those who like him would argue that it ‘isn’t his fault’ that he gets out the weaker batsmen or the players put before him.

My point is, if Rizwan is 'lucky' then surely the 'unlucky' ones need to be dropped first who can't even score against weaker attacks.

It's not that only Rizwan is feasting against trundlers while others are facing Steyn and McGrath.

Rizwan may not be a world-beater but he has earned his spot for now.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

It isn’t his fault but Rizwan is very lucky, and you should be sensible enough to realise how lucky he has been.

If you don’t like a player, for instance people who don’t like Harris Rauf would argue that his wickets are cheap and pointless as well. And those who like him would argue that it ‘isn’t his fault’ that he gets out the weaker batsmen or the players put before him.

When your viewpoint is in the minority it is more likely the case that you are wrong. Unfortunately, stubborn people dont want to admit they are wrong. But dont worry most Pakistani people are like you as well.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan's batting in T20Is this year:<br><br>Innings 11<br>Runs 593<br>Average 98.83<br>Strike-rate 142.89<br>Fours 55<br>Sixes 19<br>Hundreds 1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1416460225847177234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most runs in T20Is in 2021:<br><br>593 Mohammad Rizwan (11 innings)<br>439 Babar Azam (11 innings)<br>343 Evin Lewis (11 innings)<br>324 Aaron Finch (10 innings)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1416458552609329156?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote>
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[CricLegend]

A simple question to Rizwan bashers.

who do you think should replace Rizwan in the team and what should the batting line up look like (top 6)?

 

[Majid Khan]

Amazing , the one improved player Pakistan have in the team who actually has earned his place through performances alone and scored runs against top teams - even despite lobbying to promote an alternative candidate for WK batsman, and we still think he’s not good enough.

Maybe we are spoilt as fans after having legendary batsmen like Hafeez playing for 15 years who clearly is in a different league as a batsman , but until another Hafeez comes on the scene - Rizwan isn’t that bad an option.

 

[Rana]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Rizwan's batting in T20Is this year:<br><br>Innings 11<br>Runs 593<br>Average 98.83<br>Strike-rate 142.89<br>Fours 55<br>Sixes 19<br>Hundreds 1<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1416460225847177234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most runs in T20Is in 2021:<br><br>593 Mohammad Rizwan (11 innings)<br>439 Babar Azam (11 innings)<br>343 Evin Lewis (11 innings)<br>324 Aaron Finch (10 innings)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1416458552609329156?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2021</a></blockquote>
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It’s like Roy, Butler, Gayle, Maxwell, Sharma, Kohli, Williamson, KL etc having been playing T20i at all this year.

Such stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

It’s like Roy, Butler, Gayle, Maxwell, Sharma, Kohli, Williamson, KL etc having been playing T20i at all this year.

Such stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

Wow

 

[Mesozoic]

Currently he's Pakistan's MVP. EOD.

And probably the second best Asian cricketer of 2020-21 season behind Ravi Ashwin.

It should come as no surprise that the ones who're questioning his ability are the same ones who are well known for their non-existent cricketing IQ and their love for mediocrities like Rauf and Sharjeel.

 

[Salman4.]

Currently he's Pakistan's MVP. EOD.

And probably the second best Asian cricketer of 2020-21 season behind Ravi Ashwin.

It should come as no surprise that the ones who're questioning his ability are the same ones who are well known for their non-existent cricketing IQ and their love for mediocrities like Rauf and Sharjeel.

True. He will establish himself as the greatest WKB of Pak while Rauf, Sharjeel fans continue to whine.

 

[Abdurmirr]

I have a hypothetical situation, imagine if Sharjeel had been opening instead of Rizwan and he had produced essentially the exact some numbers as Rizwan has had this year, how do you think people would have reacted?

I reckon that the same people calling Rizwan a minnow basher or fluke would have created at least a 100 threads comparing Sharjeel to essentially every legendary opener and threads calling him the current GOAT T20 batsmen.

However with Rizwan we have just seen ridiculous excuses from every hater trying to find ways to negate his performances instead of admitting that he has been our best batsmen over the last year and someone who should be a mainstay in the team for as long as he stays in form