Mohammad Rizwan signs for St Kitts and Nevis Patriots, and set to feature in CPL for the first time

[pakistani pride]

I’ve watched a few CPL games here and there, and batting in the Caribbean isn’t that easy. Most matches are moderate scoring usually around 170. I can’t fully comment on the overall quality of bowling, but the game where Rizwan scored 85 off 62 was definitely played on a tough pitch. There’s a reason why, after Rizwan, the next highest scorer from both teams was Shai Hope with just 31 off 27. I watched that match, some balls were keeping low, and Imran Tahir along with Hassan Khan bowled really well.

Rizwan, despite his limitations, has one special quality that many players don’t, he reads pitch conditions very well and adjusts his game accordingly. That’s exactly what he did, and it turned into a fantastic innings.

**he reads pitch conditions very well and adjusts his game accordingly.**
Just stop right there, he is not capable of doing that.

 

[Rana]

**he reads pitch conditions very well and adjusts his game accordingly.**
Just stop right there, he is not capable of doing that.

What he does do is ‘read the opportunity to play selfishly’ really well.

 

[Rana]

So, I watched his last innings

It’s not the worst given the situation his team found themselves in losing wickets regularly at the other end.

Ian Bishop did point out repeatedly it was poor bowling to Rizwan because it’s blatantly obvious that he scores 75% of his runs at midwicket and fine leg. He has a very poor rate on the off side. Guyana bowled too straight at him

Then again, Rizwan was dragging a lot of balls to the leg as usual.

I’ve seen no improvements. He’s the same guy who was rightfully dropped even though he always ends up with an average of above 40 in a 10 match season.

 

[Rana]

It’s funny how whoever he plays for as an opener, the other batsman has to be the designated risk taker whilst he just goes along his merry way at a run a ball and capitalising on the odd bad ball with a boundary to up his sr from 100 to 120/130.

Put him in the current Pakistan team, it will be the same result where the ceiling score might me 150-170 where all the other players may add hit and miss cameos


He doesn’t upgrade the side.

 

[Caved12]

**he reads pitch conditions very well and adjusts his game accordingly.**
Just stop right there, he is not capable of doing that.

You’ve got it completely wrong. This is the problem with so many posters here, they don’t really understand cricket but talk like they know everything. Everyone accepts Rizwan’s off side game isn’t great, but despite that he still averages 47 at a strike rate of 125 in T20Is, with 30 fifties and a century. You don’t get those numbers by luck. He’s achieved it by reading conditions better than most and adjusting his game. If you can’t see that, maybe think twice before posting.

 

[Rana]

60+ balls to finish on 85

That’s crap if you ask me. And this is his best form.

 

[Rana]

What suits Pakistan or any team more is an opener smashing 20 off 10 in a pursuit of a 25 ball 50 in the powerplay and then then middle order taking control,

Not an opener who intentionally looks for 20 off 17 in the powerplay.

 

[Rana]

Everyone accepts Rizwan’s off side game isn’t great, but despite that he still averages 47 at a strike rate of 125 in T20Is, with 30 fifties and a century. You don’t get those numbers by luck. He’s achieved it by reading conditions better than most and adjusting

No. You get those numbers by being selfish. Who cares about those numbers if the team is crap?

 

[Rana]

You’ve got it completely wrong. This is the problem with so many posters here, they don’t really understand cricket but talk like they know everything

What’s ‘understanding cricket’? Are you Don Bradman?

 

[TheSultan]

60+ balls to finish on 85

That’s crap if you ask me. And this is his best form.

That is pretty poor for modern t20 cricket. I remember Allan Lamb played a similar innings in 1985 in an ODI. It was great then, but very meh now

 

[Caved12]

I watched a few games and noticed that Ian Bishop was quite critical of the Pakistani players in this league. He kept pointing out their mistakes, while praising West Indian players even when they were making the same errors. It felt a bit strange listening to his commentary during those matches.

Bringing Rizwan back into the team or not is a separate debate, but if we’re simply commenting on cricket based on the day it was played, then here are my observations. Many people didn’t watch Rizwan’s innings in full or pay close attention to it. He actually played some beautiful shots, including a couple of classy boundaries over the cover and extra cover region. He has also been experimenting with the reverse sweep and scoop shots, and overall he seems to be playing more aggressively, adapting his game to the situation and conditions. At the same time, other commentators rightly praised his game awareness and the quality of his innings.

 

[Mamoon]

60+ balls to finish on 85

That’s crap if you ask me. And this is his best form.

Yes that is crap. Haris' 2 ball cameos are better.

 

[Caved12]

What’s ‘understanding cricket’? Are you Don Bradman?

Stage 2, and yet another useless comment that has nothing to do with cricket or what’s being discussed here. This is exactly why I avoid engaging with you. Your understanding of the game is very weak, and all you do is take cheap shots at others while derailing every thread on this forum. Try discussing cricket

 

[Rana]

I watched a few games and noticed that Ian Bishop was quite critical of the Pakistani players in this league. He kept pointing out their mistakes, while praising West Indian players even when they were making the same errors. It felt a bit strange listening to his commentary during those matches.

Don’t make up stuff

Give proof. Give examples! You are accusing Bishop of being a hypocrite

 

[BouncerGuy]

ENOUGH OF YOUR PERSONAL REMARKS AND TROLLING...

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Should be batting in the middle order.

 

[Rana]

@Caved12 please provide examples of how Bishop has been showing double standards in commentary towards West Indian players.

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT RIZWAN IN CPL....

TAKE YOUR USELSS STUFF SOMEWHERE ELSE PLEASE

 

[Caved12]

@Caved12 please provide examples of how Bishop has been showing double standards in commentary towards West Indian players.

This post has nothing to do with the main topic being discussed. And asking for this kind of proof is nonsense, I obviously can’t post a full game recording in this thread.

 

[Rana]

This post has nothing to do with the main topic being discussed. And asking for this kind of proof is nonsense, I obviously can’t post a full game recording in this thread.

Do it in the other thread. Don’t run away.

 

[Rana]

I watched a few games and noticed that Ian Bishop was quite critical of the Pakistani players in this league. He kept pointing out their mistakes, while praising West Indian players even when they were making the same errors. It felt a bit strange listening to his commentary during those matches.

@topspin @mominsaigol

 

[Caved12]

lmao Stage 10

 

[Rana]

Ian Bishop did point out repeatedly it was poor bowling to Rizwan because it’s blatantly obvious that he scores 75% of his runs at midwicket and fine leg. He has a very poor rate on the off side. Guyana bowled too straight at him

@topspin

His indirect response came from what I wrote earlier. This isn’t a false claim unlike his. You can re-watch the entire innings and listen to Bishop’s commentary. He was miffed at Guyana bowling to Rizwan’s only go to region.

 

[topspin]

I watched a few games and noticed that Ian Bishop was quite critical of the Pakistani players in this league. He kept pointing out their mistakes, while praising West Indian players even when they were making the same errors. It felt a bit strange listening to his commentary during those matches.

Bringing Rizwan back into the team or not is a separate debate, but if we’re simply commenting on cricket based on the day it was played, then here are my observations. Many people didn’t watch Rizwan’s innings in full or pay close attention to it. He actually played some beautiful shots, including a couple of classy boundaries over the cover and extra cover region. He has also been experimenting with the reverse sweep and scoop shots, and overall he seems to be playing more aggressively, adapting his game to the situation and conditions. At the same time, other commentators rightly praised his game awareness and the quality of his innings.

"Ian Bishop doesn't rate my bestie so I'm going to slander him to help me promote Rizwan on this forum". You guys did the same thing to Simon Doull. No one is falling for it.

 

[Rana]

lmao Stage 10

What stage is making up stuff?

You accused me of it yesterday but then you just got caught

 

[Caved12]

"Ian Bishop doesn't rate my bestie so I'm going to slander him to help me promote Rizwan on this forum". You guys did the same thing to Simon Doull. No one is falling for it.

That’s another false claim. You seem to specialize in inventing lies and making baseless remarks about other posters. Can you provide proof that I ever said this?

 

[Rana]

That’s another false claim. You seem to specialize in inventing lies and making baseless remarks about other posters. Can you provide proof that I ever said this?

You don’t play the reverse game here.

It’s you who slipped up and need to prove where and when did Bishop say things about particular Pakistan players, and turned a blind eye when Particular West Indian players did the same.

You’ve given us some very interesting material to diseconomies here. I did tell you to post responsibly.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan, despite his limitations, has one special quality that many players don’t, he reads pitch conditions very well and adjusts his game accordingly. That’s exactly what he did, and it turned into a fantastic innings.

Your in for a very frustrating time going forward.

This claim above will also be challenged, dismantled and thrown into the bin. That’s once we have gotten to the bottom of your Ian Bishop claim.

 

[Caved12]

Lmao Stage 7 and 10

 

[topspin]

That’s another false claim. You seem to specialize in inventing lies and making baseless remarks about other posters. Can you provide proof that I ever said this?

The onus is on you to prove Bishop’s bias against Pakistani players participating in the CPL. This is literally unheard of until you brought up.

If you can’t prove otherwise, you’re displaying your motive.

Since you’re as slow as Misbah’s batting, the words I put in speech marks merely highlight your thoughts rather than the words used in your posts.

 

[Caved12]

The onus is on you to prove Bishop’s bias against Pakistani players participating in the CPL. This is literally unheard of until you brought up.

If you can’t prove otherwise, you’re displaying your motive.

Since you’re as slow as Misbah’s batting, the words I put in speech marks merely highlight your thoughts rather than the words used in your posts.

Read my earlier reply to your post, and also provide proof that I said Imam should replace Saim in all white ball cricket.

 

[Rana]

I watched a few games and noticed that Ian Bishop was quite critical of the Pakistani players in this league. He kept pointing out their mistakes, while praising West Indian players even when they were making the same errors. It felt a bit strange listening to his commentary during those matches.

Right, lets try getting to the bottom of this. You said you will find it hard to provide the entire game clip/clips. That's fine, ill help you.

1. "I watched a few games".

Which games did you watch? You should be able to specify.

2. "was quite critical of Pakistani players in this league"

Which Pakistani players to be specific?

Lets start with this.

 

[Caved12]

Rizwan played a good innings. He is a player for Pakistan and the current captain of the ODI team. The comment was about the actual cricket played on that day. Yet, people started making all sorts of nonsense, trying to argue that it wasn’t a good innings. It’s unbelievable. There’s a lot of twisting and turning to discredit him, just like what happened for years when he earned the T20 Cricketer of the Year award. Silly comments and diversion tactics keep coming up to downplay his achievements.

 

[mominsaigol]

Read my earlier reply to your post, and also provide proof that I said Imam should replace Saim in all white ball cricket.

@topspin he's ignoring me cause of the ss claim so let me clarify once again.

First of topspin did not claim replace in all formats, he claimed that you said replace saim for imam amd have imam bat at no 4 in t20.

Yes you did not specify t20 or odi but you put babar and rizwan at opening and imam at no 4

Babar and rizwan only open in t20, any logical person after seeing that playing 11 would assume you are referring to t20 cricket.

Unless you seriously forward the idea of rizwan and Babar as odi openers .

But ofcourse convo was deleted and @topspin cant prove it so you can keep lying to yourself and deny all witness accounts. BTW here was your playing 11

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Fakhar
4) Imam
5) Agha
6) Hasan Nawaz
7) Muhammad Nawaz
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Rauf
11) Abrar

^^ You mean to tell me this is an Odi list? Get outta here lol

 

[mominsaigol]

@topspin he's ignoring me cause of the ss claim so let me clarify once again.

First of topspin did not claim replace in all formats, he claimed that you said replace saim for imam amd have imam bat at no 4 in t20.

Yes you did not specify t20 or odi but you put babar and rizwan at opening and imam at no 4

Babar and rizwan only open in t20, any logical person after seeing that playing 11 would assume you are referring to t20 cricket.

Unless you seriously forward the idea of rizwan and Babar as odi openers .

But ofcourse convo was deleted and @topspin cant prove it so you can keep lying to yourself and deny all witness accounts. BTW here was your playing 11

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Fakhar
4) Imam
5) Agha
6) Hasan Nawaz
7) Muhammad Nawaz
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Rauf
11) Abrar

^^ You mean to tell me this is an Odi list? Get outta here lol

Even if this was an odi 11, it's one of the worst odi 11 ive ever seen in my life.

 

[Caved12]

Disliking someone is one thing, but in the same breath, some claim to support Pakistan cricket while criticizing others for having favourites or wishing their team loses so their preferred player can return. Yet, they do the exact same thing with Rizwan, our ODI captain. And let’s be clear, he wasn’t handed the captaincy on a silver platter. He earned it through consistent performances, not just as a keeper but also as a batsman across all formats, both internationally and domestically. The double standards people show are astounding, and then they have the audacity to call others hypocrites, taking every opportunity to get personal.

 

[Rana]

The comment was about the actual cricket played on that day. Yet, people started making all sorts of nonsense, trying to argue that it wasn’t a good innings. It’s unbelievable. There’s a lot of twisting and turning to discredit him, just like what happened for years when he earned the T20 Cricketer of the Year award. Silly comments and diversion tactics keep coming up to downplay his achievements.

Stop running away from the Bishop claim.

 

[Rana]

Yet, they do the exact same thing with Rizwan, our ODI captain. And let’s be clear, he wasn’t handed the captaincy on a silver platter.

should we start revisiting your posts about Salman Agha when he was appointed captain of the Pakistan T20 team? We may find plenty of gems in those threads.

 

[mominsaigol]

should we start revisiting your posts about Salman Agha when he was appointed captain of the Pakistan T20 team? We may find plenty of gems in those threads.

Rizwan wasn't handed the captaincy in a silver platter.

Meanwhile " Mein no 5 sei khush mahi hoon Mujhe no 4 chahai"

" Saim ko no 4 pei khelo, Mujhe t20 opener banao"

" I refuse to be a dummy captain, I will make my own decisions and select my own squad"

"Misbah, Sarfi kicked me out, As chief selector help me please "

 

[Rana]

Rizwan wasn't handed the captaincy in a silver platter.

Meanwhile " Mein no 5 sei khush mahi hoon Mujhe no 4 chahai"

" Saim ko no 4 pei khelo, Mujhe t20 opener banao"

" I refuse to be a dummy captain, I will make my own decisions and select my own squad"

"Misbah, Sarfi kicked me out, As chief selector help me please "

yeh we should respect this selfish clown just because Caved thinks its our moral duty.

 

[mominsaigol]

yeh we should respect this selfish clown just because Caved thinks its our moral duty.

Stage ???, which stage was this again . Only @Caved12 knows

 

[BouncerGuy]

YOU GUYS ARE NOT LISTENING...

NO MORE PERSONAL REMAKRS

STAY ON RIZWAN CPL TALK OR LEAVE THE THREAD.... ENOUGH

 

[Caved12]

I just want to add one more point. I know exactly what was going on with Rizwan in his last innings for the Patriots, and that’s the kind of character you look for when picking a final squad. In the previous game of that league, despite scoring a solid 60 when most of the team failed, Rizwan was pushed down the batting order. That showed the management had little faith in him, and it must have upset him. In the next game, his body language and expressions made it clear that he had had enough and wanted to prove a point. That determination is what helped him play such a strong innings, and it rightly earned him the motm award.

 

[GudduBadmash]

Picture the scene Caved12, You and Rana are held at gun point, the assassin says If Rizwan scores runs you survive Caved, if Haris scores runs Rana will survive.

Who survives?