Motorway rape incident: Abid Malhi and Shafqat Ali sentenced to death [Post#474]

[Major]

I was there the night before Eid when stopped. I assume they were checking for drugs as they went through my cigarattes.

Which ministers? Please post a link to their statements, maybe they know something more one short snippet on the video? Social media means nothing.

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If they found drugs, they blackmail you with FIR, than take you to some street corner do muk mukao with you and thats it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

post no. 163


If they found drugs, they blackmail you with FIR, than take you to some street corner do muk mukao with you and thats it.

One minister? You dont any quotes from a few , with a link? Ill watch the video later.

I've never paid any bribe to any copper in Pakistan. The last one who was insitent was told to take me to the police station, he bottled it(Nawaz in power). You can criticise the government but to suggest police are as corrupt as before is simply not true.

 

[Abdullah719]

When you are part of the police structure and a crime has been committed under your watch, and you’re asked about it, and your immediate initial response is along the lines of what the victim could have done to avoid encountering the criminals… then there’s a problem.

This is pretty clear cut. This isn’t the time for a police officer to give lectures on what people should and shouldn’t do because the crime has already been committed. It’s the time to only talk about the crime, condemn it, and outline the measures you will take to catch the culprits.

 

[Mueez]

Oh man. Hang these pathetic animals.

Heck they don’t even deserve to be compared to animals.

I have no words... for people saying that it was the lady’s fault. You guys are as wrong as the rapists.

 

[El Generico]

When you are part of the police structure and a crime has been committed under your watch, and you’re asked about it, and your immediate initial response is along the lines of what the victim could have done to avoid encountering the criminals… then there’s a problem.

This is pretty clear cut. This isn’t the time for a police officer to give lectures on what people should and shouldn’t do because the crime has already been committed. It’s the time to only talk about the crime, condemn it, and outline the measures you will take to catch the culprits.

Exactly this was not the time, if the officers wanted to issue safety tips he could have done so afterwards and in a proper manner. He should just apologize for what he has said rather than doubling down like he has so far.

 

[Pakpak]

So more:

She was also beaten. The kids were also punched and beaten. They were 3, 6 and 9 years old. Since the incident the kids have been unable to sleep or eat and have been unable to even say a word in speech.

 

[observer1]

Shame on everyone mud slinging and blaming people.

People of a community/country work together to hold criminals accountable and ensure those in authotiry are qualified and chosen on merit.

Blaming Islam, or Pakistan, or PTI is ridiculous. A Poor woman was attacked and the CCPO makes ridiculous comments.

Get justice for the victim, find those responsible and hold an inquiry as to why there was no Police response.

 

[ahmedzee]

The Marwah case was sad, and PPP should be blamed for it. For not being able to protect a small child. They should be bashed for the sindh police. THey should be bashed for not having a child kidnapping help line that could act immediately.
I really feel sorry for that childs mother having to come on a morning show just to get justice for her small child who only went out to buy biscuits.

Every govt is to be blamed whenever our law enforcement fails. PTI might be two years old, but it takes only one damn order to make sure your men are patrolling the Ring Road.

I think they should make it a death penalty (just like how they made it for pedophilia) to rape anyone (in any form).
Onething that govt can't do anything is the mentality of so many men, as how they view women. Parents should take responsibility in educating kids on importance of women and how to view them. Unfortunately it may take a generation or two to solve this issue.

 

[Bewal Express]

The Police officer was insensitive as this wasn't the time or place to talk about how the lady ended up in the situation which led to the her rape. His job is to catch the criminals. His advice, which isn't wrong should be offered at her different time and place and as part of general education.

 

[KingKhanWC]

When you are part of the police structure and a crime has been committed under your watch, and you’re asked about it, and your immediate initial response is along the lines of what the victim could have done to avoid encountering the criminals… then there’s a problem.

This is pretty clear cut. This isn’t the time for a police officer to give lectures on what people should and shouldn’t do because the crime has already been committed. It’s the time to only talk about the crime, condemn it, and outline the measures you will take to catch the culprits.

The Police officer was insensitive as this wasn't the time or place to talk about how the lady ended up in the situation which led to the her rape. His job is to catch the criminals. His advice, which isn't wrong should be offered at her different time and place and as part of general education.

Police officer was on T.V to a wide audience, he may come across as insensitive but he was clearly frustrated and upset. I think he did the right thing to address taking care of ones vehicle esp if you drive at night. So many cars in Pakistan are breaking down all the time.

 

[Local.Dada]

Hope the culprits get what they deserve. A one way ticket to hell

 

[Green Patriot]

Police officer was on T.V to a wide audience, he may come across as insensitive but he was clearly frustrated and upset. I think he did the right thing to address taking care of ones vehicle esp if you drive at night. So many cars in Pakistan are breaking down all the time.

No. No. Just God damn NO. He wasn't right. He was wrong and you are wrong. You are part of the problem if you think the statement he delivered was right. A woman, beaten up and gangraped while her 3 innocent kids are watching as an audience and the IG gets a free ticket to say what he wants on account of being upset. Do you even listen to yourself? He needs to do his damn job instead of advising the victim on such a platform at such a time. He is wrong and you are wrong. The only blameless person is the woman and her kids.

Shame on the posters in this thread and on social media in general who are even now trying to find a way to justify holier-than-thou authorities spewing garbage because they had to get up and do what they are being paid for.

 

[Bigboii]

No. No. Just God damn NO. He wasn't right. He was wrong and you are wrong. You are part of the problem if you think the statement he delivered was right. A woman, beaten up and gangraped while her 3 innocent kids are watching as an audience and the IG gets a free ticket to say what he wants on account of being upset. Do you even listen to yourself? He needs to do his damn job instead of advising the victim on such a platform at such a time. He is wrong and you are wrong. The only blameless person is the woman and her kids.

Shame on the posters in this thread and on social media in general who are even now trying to find a way to justify holier-than-thou authorities spewing garbage because they had to get up and do what they are being paid for.

same feelings!

 

[KingKhanWC]

No. No. Just God damn NO. He wasn't right. He was wrong and you are wrong. You are part of the problem if you think the statement he delivered was right. A woman, beaten up and gangraped while her 3 innocent kids are watching as an audience and the IG gets a free ticket to say what he wants on account of being upset. Do you even listen to yourself? He needs to do his damn job instead of advising the victim on such a platform at such a time. He is wrong and you are wrong. The only blameless person is the woman and her kids.

Shame on the posters in this thread and on social media in general who are even now trying to find a way to justify holier-than-thou authorities spewing garbage because they had to get up and do what they are being paid for.

This is normal in the UK. When police do press confrerences or appear of T.V they also give advice to future potential victim.

His advice Im sure will be taken up by many women who will save themselves being scared if they break down or potentially save them from such henious crimes. But you are the good guy, posting on here who will make the difference while the cop should be hanged. I get it.

 

[Green Patriot]

This is normal in the UK. When police do press confrerences or appear of T.V they also give advice to future potential victim.

His advice Im sure will be taken up by many women who will save themselves being scared if they break down or potentially save them from such henious crimes. But you are the good guy, posting on here who will make the difference while the cop should be hanged. I get it.

This is not the UK just as the police officer you are so adamant on proving right will kindly tell you. And nowhere in the UK have women been raped mercilessly on motorways with their kids watching. And nowhere do sane authorities take this tone, time and platform to advice or should I say patronize and blame the victim.

And FYI, there are babies, 2 year olds,five year olds and dead women in their graves who are raped. Who will you and the police officer blame. And lmao. Do you really think women don't go out armed with pepper sprays, knives and advices from every member of the family? Oh and btw all this to purchase a toilet roll down the street. Here's a newsflash. They still get raped, molested, harrased and catcalled. So next time you feel the urge to mansplain and advice women to wrap their hijabs tighter and fill their fuel tanks fuller try giving out one piece of damn advice. Stop Raping.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Some extremely toxic replies/discussions happening in this thread.

NA needs to pass a law where barbaric humans (they don't even deserve to be called humans) such as these need to be hanged publicly. I can't even imagine what those kids are going through :/

 

[Major]

Asad umar thinks that the ccpo did not break any law so no action can be taken against him

What a pathetic individual this guy is. People take pride in him being a parhanlikha business man from canada. Yet he is another idiot.

Hamid mir rightly pointed out that when the chief of police is victim blaming arnt you suppose to take action, and asad umar says no because he has not broke any law.

Anothet pti minister rightly saod last nite, had this been someone elses relative, they would had not made such statements but kill the guy in a fake encounter.

 

[saeedhk]

‘Blasphemy ya mandir ka masla hota toh sarko par hotay, rape tha, isliyay janay diya.’

Yours truly,

Pakistani Mullahs

 

[Major]

‘Blasphemy ya mandir ka masla hota toh sarko par hotay, rape tha, isliyay janay diya.’

Yours truly,

Pakistani Mullahs

Had the rapist done some gustakhi, the case would had been solved by now and these mullahs would had been blocking roads and doing protests

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: The country seethed with anger on Thursday as details emerged of gang-rape of a woman on the outskirts of Lahore a day earlier, with indifferent and unhelpful remarks by the city’s police chief adding fuel to the fire.

Prime Minister Imran Khan, who sent his special assistant Shahzad Akbar to the Punjab capital to oversee investigations into the case, directed that strict action be taken not just against the criminals involved in the Lahore motorway incident but also those behind a minor girl’s rape in Karachi, saying such incidents were a blot on the society’s image.

Little headway was made towards arresting any suspect in the incident that took place in the early hours of Wednesday in which a woman was waylaid and gang-raped in front of her children. The family was on way from Lahore to Gujranwala via M-11, which, according to recent news reports, is unsafe for travelling, with no police patrolling, no service area, no petrol pump and no speed limit as drivers are free to drive as fast as they can.

According to the details available so far, the woman in early 30s, a resident of Lahore’s Defence Housing Society, was stuck on the motorway with her two children at around 1am after her car ran out of petrol. As she tried to arrange for help, two men approached her and took her and her children (below eight) into the nearby fields at gunpoint.

The pictures of the vehicle the family was travelling in bore signs of resistance — such as a broken window glass.

Once in the field, the attackers raped the woman in front of her children. By the time a police party and a relative the woman had called reached the scene, the attackers, said to be in their 30s, had fled, taking with them the cash and valuables the victim was carrying with her.

As the news of the atrocity spread, there was an outpouring of support for the victims — the woman who was violated and the children who were made to watch the entire episode.

The public condemnation for a lack of security on the motorway was massive. However, matters grew worse when the already-controversial Capital City Police Officer (CCPO), Umar Sheikh, came up with remarks about the incident that were termed not just inappropriate but also heartless.

CCPO Sheikh invited criticism when he pontificated that the victim had failed to take due precautions before setting off for her journey that ended in a nightmare.

According to the Lahore police chief’s logic, the lady in question could have avoided being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He said she should have taken the more populated GT Road to Gujranwala instead of going via motorway; and she ought to have checked how much fuel her car had before setting off.

“The police officer who has been tasked to probe the rape of a woman on the motorway, has started his investigation by questioning the choices of the rape survivor, saying the woman should have taken a different route — a less deserted one — and checked her petrol tank before embarking on her journey,” commented a senior citizen on social media.

There were also reports that the victim had called on the helpline of Motorway Police, but she was denied assistance because the area in question was not covered by the Pakistan National Highway and Motorway Police.

A spokesperson for the PNH&MP confirmed this while talking to Dawn. He said the 90-kilometre-long Lahore-Sialkot Motorway had yet to be handed over to them officially.

He said the motorway, built and operated by the FWO, was inaugurated some six months back.

In the first progress report submitted by the Lahore police to Chief Minister Usman Buzdar, it was claimed that some 15 suspects were taken into custody during a search operation launched in the vicinities of the crime site.

Inspector General of Police for Punjab Inam Ghani told Dawn a lot of work was being done on the brutal rape case. “Our 20 teams are working on this case. Lahore DIG (Investigations) Shahzada Sultan is leading one of them. A crime investigation agency is separately working. Another one is being led by divisional SP,” he said.

He said the data from geo-fencing at three points, including where the car stopped, where the woman was raped, and the area pointed out by a local tracker hired by police to trace the footprints of the culprits, had been recorded.

“We have also obtained data of men of between 25 and 35 years living in the nearby villages from Nadra besides conducting profiling of 70 young suspects,” Mr Ghani said.

The police had also confirmed on the basis of medical reports that the victim was raped by more than one man. He also hinted that police had managed to get some clues from the crime scene that could lead them to the culprits.

In response to a question, the IGP said that people had a right to choose any route they wanted to.

“I have asked the regional police officer for Gujranwala to reach the residence of the victim lady to update her about the work the police have done so far,” Mr Ghani said.

Premier’s aide

Adviser to the Prime Minister on Accountability Shahzad Akbar admitted the government’s ‘administrative failure’ in the rape case, reported Geo News. He also said the culprits would be apprehended at all costs.

“There is some administrative failure [in the case] that we must admit since it took place on the link road that connects two motorways,” he told a joint news conference with CCPO Lahore.

Mr Akbar defended Mr Sheikh’s statement that attracted public criticism, and said: “A needless controversy has been created out of the CCPO’s statement. I have spoken to him about it; he will tell you himself what he meant by it.”

The prime minister’s aide said that it was the government’s responsibility to ensure that roads, motorways, streets and highways were safe for men and women for travelling. “If a case such as this takes place, it is also the government’s job to arrest the culprits and make them an example,” he said.

CCPO Sheikh said expert trackers had been brought in to help with the investigations. He said that the culprits had bled when they broke the car’s window. The police had collected the blood samples and sent them to the laboratory for tests.

Responding to the criticism of his statement, Mr Sheikh said since he was deeply saddened over the incident he wished that precautions were taken. But he added: “This is our responsibility and we will solve the case.”

In a late-night development, the Punjab government directed the additional chief secretary to hold an inquiry against CCPO Sheikh for his controversial remarks.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579054/lahore-motorway-gang-rape-causes-outrage

 

[MenInG]

Motorway rape incident: Lack of coordination between LEAs exposed

LAHORE: The delayed response to the emergency calls made by the Motorway rape victim have exposed the level of coordination among the law enforcement agencies despite spending billions of rupees on the Safe City Project, The News reported Friday.

An initial investigation into the Gujjarpura gang rape incident and contradictory statements of senior officers confirmed that there was a lack of coordination between the Lahore Police and Motorway Police that resulted in a delayed response providing criminals enough time to flee after committing the crime.

Read more: Lahore CCPO blames motorway rape victim for choice of route, travelling late at night

On the second day of the incident, CCPO Lahore Umar Sheikh said the victim had not called the police herself for help. Some of her relatives called the Motorway Police at 1:30am.

On the other hand, IG Motorway Kaleem Imam said that the victim called the Motorway Police at 2:01am and was informed that the Lahore-Sialkot Motorway does not fall in their jurisdiction.

However, the Motorway Police forwarded the call to the FWO immediately. The lady didn't get any help from the FWO either.

Later on, a claim of the Dolphin Force surfaced that they received 15 calls at 2:49am and reached the spot at 2:53am. A cop of Dolphin Force said as he reached the spot, the woman was “stunned”.

“She didn’t speak. She mustered up the courage after some time and then told the whole tragedy.”

However, the Gujjarpura police in its FIR stated that they reached the spot at 4am and didn’t find anyone there.

‘Response delayed over jurisdiction’
A senior police officer requesting anonymity told The News that factually the Lahore Police and the Motorway Police had delayed the response over jurisdiction.

He said the Safe City Project was launched after spending billions of rupees for a well-coordinated response and surveillance but the recent incident has exposed it as well.

He said call logs should be made part of investigations and strict action should be taken against the responsible persons.

Shahzad Akbar admits 'administrative failure'
Adviser to the Prime Minister on Accountability, Shahzad Akbar on Thursday admitted the government's "administrative failure" in the Lahore motorway rape case, vowing that culprits will be apprehended at all costs.

"There is some administrative failure [in the case] that we must admit since it took place on the link road that connects the two motorways," Akbar told a news conference, flanked by CCPO Lahore Umar Sheikh.

Akbar defended the Lahore CCPO's statement which raised a lot of eyebrows after the cop blamed the rape victim for her choice of route and travelling late at night.

"I see an unneeded controversy was created out of the CCPO's earlier statement," said Akbar. "I have spoken to him about it, he will tell you himself what he meant by it."

The prime minister's aide said that it was the government's responsibility to ensure that roads, motorways, streets and highways were safe for men and women to travel.

"If a case such as this takes place, it is also the government's job to arrest the culprits and make an example out of them," he said.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/307320-motorway-rape-incident-lack-of-coordination-between-leas-exposed

 

[Major]

^^

These were the exact points that i raised in the thread. This is why the govt is being bashed.

The police coordination, the safe city project, these are the duties of the Punjab govt.

 

[iRfaN_LA]

Strict punishment such as public hanging should be imposed on the culprits. Make it an example. This is beyond outrageous.

 

[Major]

CCPO Lahore in 9 days

 

[saeedhk]

Had the rapist done some gustakhi, the case would had been solved by now and these mullahs would had been blocking roads and doing protests

The police shows so much efficacy and efficiency when tracking down alleged blasphemers. However, this sort of outstanding police work is not shown in any other criminal cases.

 

[Shazzam]

He did not say anything wrong, perhaps, he could have waited to say the obvious.

You are wrong. He blamed the victim in a time where she just suffered through the most tragic event in her life. He should have been more responsible.

I know what I've written will not settle well with many but not only we need to criticize and hang those who are responsible after a fair trial but also make our female aware of the danger and how to protect themselves and both required to be highlighted.

I am pretty sure females are aware of the danger. Rape is not something new. So telling them its dangerious will do nothing when they are in the firing line of it.

There is no way to teach them how to protect themselves. Rapist come at victims prepared. They know how to mentally torture the victim into submission. No amount of training can prepare a women to deal with that situation. Its easy for you to say that cause your speaking in hindsight. Try to imagine being in this women's shoes. And I suggest doing more research on rapist. Your post lacks it.

 

[Shazzam]

The cop isnt blaming the victim, he is sending advise to all to check their vehicle before travelling at night. This is common sense even a father would say to their child and governments in the UK give the same advice here.

Real talk. Lets agree that she made error on not checking her vehicle. Does it justify the rape?

 

[MenInG]

PML-N spokesperson Marriyum Aurangzeb on Friday demanded the removal of Lahore Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Umer Sheikh for his remarks on the gang-rape of a woman on the outskirts of Lahore, which have raised a furore among members of the society.

According to the details available so far, the woman in early 30s, a resident of Lahore’s Defence Housing Society, was stuck on the motorway with her two children at around 1am after her car ran out of petrol. As she tried to arrange for help, two men approached her and took her and her children (below eight) into the nearby fields at gunpoint.

Once in the field, the attackers raped the woman in front of her children. By the time a police party and a relative the woman had called reached the scene, the attackers had fled, taking with them the cash and valuables the victim was carrying with her.

CCPO Sheikh on Thursday invited criticism when he pontificated that the victim had failed to take due precautions before setting off for her journey. According to the Lahore police chief’s logic, the woman could have avoided being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He said she should have taken the more populated GT Road to Gujranwala instead of going via motorway, and that she ought to have checked how much fuel her car had before setting off.

As the news of the atrocity spread, there was an outpouring of support for the victims — the woman who was violated and the children — and a public condemnation of the CCPO's remarks.

Addressing the media in Islamabad on Friday, Aurangzeb said that Sheikh's remarks represent a "mindset that shames a rape victim".

"Lahore CCPO's statement is encouraging the culprits, supporting them, it is affecting the investigation and is saying that the fault lies with that mother who was gang-raped," she said. "On top of that, it is the height of injustice that the entire state, government, prime minister and Punjab chief minister are silent."

"CCPO gave a statement that his remarks were misunderstood [...] He said that the woman left her house with her children thinking Pakistan was France. Because in France, there is writ of state, there are moral values, citizens are provided protection, there is rule of law — this is what Lahore CCPO said.

"What does this mean? It means that in Pakistan, 110 million women do not have any protection but women in France are safe [...] It means that right now in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, there is no writ of law, there is no law and order and there are no moral and social values."

Aurangzeb said that the CCPO's statement meant that women in Pakistan should protect themselves "because there is no rule of law" in the country.

"[His statement] meant that in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan women should not leave their homes after 6pm — and if they do and are raped, it would be their fault," Aurangzeb said.

The PML-N spokesperson further stated that Sheikh's remarks contradicted Article 9 of the Constitution, which dictates that no person shall be deprived of life or liberty in accordance with law.

Referring to his remarks in a talk show, Aurangzeb added: "He said in a talk show that his mother used to take him with her when he was six years old for her protection. Mr CCPO, this mother also had three kids with her and you were supposed to protect her. It was the responsibility of the police to protect her."

Aurangzeb said that the government had retained Sheikh at the expense of former provincial police chief Shoaib Dastagir, who was replaced with Inam Ghani earlier this week.

Aurangzeb is not the only opposition lawmaker to demand Sheikh's removal. Yesterday, PPP Senator Sherry Rehman had expressed shock and outrage over the remarks, saying that she was "furious to hear some police officials have had the nerve to ask why the lady was out at that hour".

"They need to be dismissed," she tweeted, without naming Sheikh.

Earlier today, Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly Shehbaz Sharif lashed out at the government ministers and Punjab chief minister, who he said "rushed to support and implicitly justify the conduct of a police official".

"How can they govern when they do not have the ability to identify a problem?"

Yesterday, Party’s parliamentary leader in Punjab Assembly Hassan Murtaza also demanded Sheikh's removal.

Meanwhile, lawyer Khadija Siddiqui, who was stabbed 23 times in broad daylight in Lahore by a fellow student after she refused his advances, and her colleagues Barrister Hassan Niazi and Advocate Murad Ali Khan Marwat wrote a letter addressed to Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar and IGP Ghani, saying that the CCPO's remarks were "prejudicial to the investigation in the case but he has also aptly proven himself to be unfit to hold this position".

The letter demanded that he be removed from his post until a departmental inquiry against Sheikh was completed.

Rape case
As the investigation into the incident started, there were reports that the victim had called on the helpline of Motorway Police, but she was denied assistance because the area in question was not covered by the Pakistan National Highway and Motorway Police.

A spokesperson for the PNH&MP confirmed this while talking to Dawn. He said the 90-kilometre-long Lahore-Sialkot Motorway had yet to be handed over to them officially.

He said the motorway, built and operated by the FWO, was inaugurated some six months back.

In the first progress report submitted by the Lahore police to Chief Minister Buzdar, it was claimed that some 15 suspects were taken into custody during a search operation launched in the vicinities of the crime site.

Buzdar also constituted a committee five-member committee, with the provincial law minister as the convener, to investigate the case.

IGP Ghani told Dawn a lot of work was being done on the brutal rape case. “Our 20 teams are working on this case. Lahore DIG (Investigations) Shahzada Sultan is leading one of them. A crime investigation agency is separately working. Another one is being led by divisional SP,” he said.

He said the data from geo-fencing at three points, including where the car stopped, where the woman was raped, and the area pointed out by a local tracker hired by police to trace the footprints of the culprits, had been recorded.

“We have also obtained data of men of between 25 and 35 years living in the nearby villages from Nadra besides conducting profiling of 70 young suspects,” Ghani said.

The police had also confirmed on the basis of medical reports that the victim was raped by more than one man. He also hinted that police had managed to get some clues from the crime scene that could lead them to the culprits.

In response to a question, the IGP said that people had a right to choose any route they wanted to.

“I have asked the regional police officer for Gujranwala to reach the residence of the victim lady to update her about the work the police have done so far,” Ghani said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579100/p...ahore-ccpos-removal-for-shaming-a-rape-victim

 

[saeedhk]

‘Why did the woman take such a deserted road and why was she not carrying a gun,’ Zaid Hamid AKA Lal Topi.

 

[topspin]

AWP really doesn't stand a chance. Their solution only exists in utopian world. While I like Ammar Rashid and wished him to win last general elections but AWP getting a single seat is next to impossible in next few decades in Pakistan.

On the contrary, I think, if Pakistan has to avoid the extremism path then IK is the only real practical hope. Because if he fails then only Mullahs are left to be tested because I don't see PPP coming in power and PML-N is not a progressive party.

The liberal parties (PPP, ANP and MQM) in Pakistan have been indulged in corrupt practices + failed to dliver and that is the sad reality which I have accepted. My personal views don't align with IK on many things but I really hope that he gets successful because I don't want military or mullah ruling over us.

I used to think IK was liberal because of his lifestyle (back in the day) and Oxford education but in recent years he's come across as the contrary. For example, he recently called OBL a "shaheed".

He had always refrained from criticising Al-Qaeda and Taliban and when all the other mainstream parties were in support of taking down their in Pakistan, he kept quiet. The only reason behind that is because he believed they were freedom fighters.

IK is part of the problem and this is one of the reasons why I can no longer support the PTI. Also, IK doesn't have the backbone to stand up to the military and mullahs. He crumbles whenever they put even slightest of pressure on him.

 

[Major]

I used to think IK was liberal because of his lifestyle (back in the day) and Oxford education but in recent years he's come across as the contrary. For example, he recently called OBL a "shaheed".

He had always refrained from criticising Al-Qaeda and Taliban and when all the other mainstream parties were in support of taking down their in Pakistan, he kept quiet. The only reason behind that is because he believed they were freedom fighters.

IK is part of the problem and this is one of the reasons why I can no longer support the PTI. Also, IK doesn't have the backbone to stand up to the military and mullahs. He crumbles whenever they put even slightest of pressure on him.

well said

When the Mullah went crazy over Atif Mian, the PM was very fast in disassociating itself from him.

Now he is yet to take action against the CCPO. Our very own Asad Omar feels the CCPO did nothing wrong.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I used to think IK was liberal because of his lifestyle (back in the day) and Oxford education but in recent years he's come across as the contrary. For example, he recently called OBL a "shaheed".

He had always refrained from criticising Al-Qaeda and Taliban and when all the other mainstream parties were in support of taking down their in Pakistan, he kept quiet. The only reason behind that is because he believed they were freedom fighters.

IK is part of the problem and this is one of the reasons why I can no longer support the PTI. Also, IK doesn't have the backbone to stand up to the military and mullahs. He crumbles whenever they put even slightest of pressure on him.

Who would you back instead?

 

[Ryw]

Surely it was a sad incident but liberals and feminists in this thread blaming mullahs and islam for this,we know what kind of narrativ you are trying to portrait. Some comments in this thread are illusions.

 

[topspin]

well said

When the Mullah went crazy over Atif Mian, the PM was very fast in disassociating itself from him.

Now he is yet to take action against the CCPO. Our very own Asad Omar feels the CCPO did nothing wrong.

I had high hopes in IK (and thus Pakistan's econony), when this appointment was announced because Atif Mian has an excellent track record.

Unfortunately it was too good to be true from a spineless leader.

This is a great example of how uniting people by religion/empowering religious fanatics impede the progress of a nation. If someone's background/beliefs matters more, you can't build a culture meritocracy.

 

[Syed1]

Asad umar thinks that the ccpo did not break any law so no action can be taken against him

What a pathetic individual this guy is. People take pride in him being a parhanlikha business man from canada. Yet he is another idiot.

Hamid mir rightly pointed out that when the chief of police is victim blaming arnt you suppose to take action, and asad umar says no because he has not broke any law.

Anothet pti minister rightly saod last nite, had this been someone elses relative, they would had not made such statements but kill the guy in a fake encounter.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is absolutely wrong. Asad Umar defended my statement & criticising CCPO's. Shahzad Akbar categorically conveyed the entire federal cabinet's strong displeasure at CCPO's statement. No one in PTI defended indefensible statement of CCPO. IG has taken note & action also ag CCPO <a href="https://t.co/zsQGDaRAri">https://t.co/zsQGDaRAri</a></p>— Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/1304302737644032001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[topspin]

who would you back instead?

awp

 

[Major]

Surely it was a sad incident but liberals and feminists in this thread blaming mullahs and islam for this,we know what kind of narrativ you are trying to portrait. Some comments in this thread are illusions.

btw, just right now in rawalpindi the mullahs are leading a Khatam e Nabowat march. They crossed liaqut bagh and have blocked all traffic.

These mullahs will be bashed because for them believing in the finality of prophethood is more important than any other issue

 

[saeedhk]

How come Imran Khan has not called an emergency NA session? This should have happened yesterday so that strict legislation could be enacted against rape.

 

[Syed1]

How come Imran Khan has not called an emergency NA session? This should have happened yesterday so that strict legislation could be enacted against rape.

How many emergency NA sessions Nawaz called for rapes. What would a NA session achieve? Will it undo the unfortunate incident? Will the MNAs find the rapists?


There is already strict legislation against rape. You just wanted to bark against IK.



Pathetic patwaris and jiyalas using a rape for their political agendas.

 

[Major]

Some good news, according to reports two people have been nabbed for using the the atm card of the victim.

Dna sample collected and sent to lab.

Good work they didnt ask the bank to make card inactive. The jahil suspects will hopefully be confirmed by night time

 

[saeedhk]

How many emergency NA sessions Nawaz called for rapes. What would a NA session achieve? Will it undo the unfortunate incident? Will the MNAs find the rapists?


There is already strict legislation against rape. You just wanted to bark against IK.



Pathetic patwaris and jiyalas using a rape for their political agendas.

Let’s not bring Nawaz into the equation. He is a certified chor. But, IK was supposed to be different.

He should have convened a session to enact a law that would proscribe death or public hanging for rapists. Also, apparently DNA is not accepted as evidence in rape cases in Pakistan.

 

[Syed1]

Let’s not bring Nawaz into the equation. He is a certified chor. But, IK was supposed to be different.

He should have convened a session to enact a law that would proscribe death or public hanging for rapists. Also, apparently DNA is not accepted as evidence in rape cases in Pakistan.

More holes in your argument than in swiss cheese.


DNA is accepted as evidence, and there is a punishment of death by hanging for rapists. The only debate is whether to have public hanging or not.

 

[Major]

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dolphin police who were the first responders.


Even after what had happened the women kept protecting her children, what a mother. But yet we have that CCPO and his defenders sprout garbage.

 

[Syed1]

You guys wanted to use a tragedy to push your political agendas. Then two can play at that game.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Disgraceful how opposition is trying to politicize the motorway gangrape incident. Agreed that CCPO made insensitive remarks but it is the Punjab Govt that is taking action to find these predators. We need to stop the cheap political point-scoring & allow police to do its work</p>— Ali Haider Zaidi (@AliHZaidiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliHZaidiPTI/status/1304396405260382211?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I harken back to the Model Town massacre of 2014 by police. Did Shahbaz Sharif take any serious action? PPP should also do some introspection regarding the facilitation of crimes by Uzair Baloch. Both won't because they were directly involved in these crimes. Height of hycrorisy</p>— Ali Haider Zaidi (@AliHZaidiPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/AliHZaidiPTI/status/1304396407328174081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Watch your language or a few of you will be banned without warning.

 

[saeedhk]

More holes in your argument than in swiss cheese.


DNA is accepted as evidence, and there is a punishment of death by hanging for rapists. The only debate is whether to have public hanging or not.

The CII said that DNA cannot be accepted as primary evidence.

IK needs to be swift and introduce public hanging law. For your information, nobody has been sentenced to death for rape in Pakistan.

Also, rape cases need to fast-tracked. Special courts need to be set-up. All this is possible theu legislation.

Hopefully, Immy shows some spine for a change.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

awp

Fair enough, but you have to realise we live in the UK, our idea of what is right for Pakistan is probably different to people who live in Pakistan themselves. I don't know much about AWP, but unless they can actually relate to the population there, they will have no chance regardless of whether you like them.

 

[Syed1]

Fair enough, but you have to realise we live in the UK, our idea of what is right for Pakistan is probably different to people who live in Pakistan themselves. I don't know much about AWP, but unless they can actually relate to the population there, they will have no chance regardless of whether you like them.

Just a bunch of burger uncles and aunties in Islamabad who get together for kitty parties. Won't even manage to get a local councillor elected. A local khateeb of a mosque might get more votes than a AWP candidate and nobody takes mullahs seriously in politics lol

 

[topspin]

Fair enough, but you have to realise we live in the UK, our idea of what is right for Pakistan is probably different to people who live in Pakistan themselves. I don't know much about AWP, but unless they can actually relate to the population there, they will have no chance regardless of whether you like them.

Good points made.

Unfortunately the vast majority of Pakistanis can't relate to AWP because this is a party that consists of educated and progressive individuals. Most of the Pakistanis are not.

 

[Major]

Just a bunch of burger uncles and aunties in Islamabad who get together for kitty parties. Won't even manage to get a local councillor elected. A local khateeb of a mosque might get more votes than a AWP candidate and nobody takes mullahs seriously in politics lol

that is how every party and movement is formed in its intial days.

Also AWP doesn't have kitty parties. They conduct their discussion group every month or two in the public part where members get to share their views

Most of the members are not even uncle or aunties but young people especially students of Islamabad. I have seen their group discussions and they are group of educated people of Islamabad.

every party starts off like this in intial days. Who knows whether this party could act as an important player in future or not.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

The CII said that DNA cannot be accepted as primary evidence.

IK needs to be swift and introduce public hanging law. For your information, nobody has been sentenced to death for rape in Pakistan.

Also, rape cases need to fast-tracked. Special courts need to be set-up. All this is possible theu legislation.

Hopefully, Immy shows some spine for a change.

For your information Zainab's rapist/murderer Imran Ali was hanged in Kot Lakhpat jail. IK has more spine than all other Pakistani political leaders combined. He's led a lone battle against a two-party system and uprooted it.

Do some research for a change.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good points made.

Unfortunately the vast majority of Pakistanis can't relate to AWP because this is a party that consists of educated and progressive individuals. Most of the Pakistanis are not.

Well, that's how democracy works. You do have to represent the people you are trying to get to vote for you. If AWP start pitching for transgender public lavatories as part of their manifesto, that might win some approval in the UK, but most Pakistanis would just think they were lunatics.

As far as this topic is concerned, it would be actually more useful for the Pakistani people to appeal to their local maulvi for justice if they place more trust in them than their local MP or police force. It's about getting justice at the end of the day, whether that comes from a judge or a mullah isn't the most important thing.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

that is how every party and movement is formed in its intial days.

Also AWP doesn't have kitty parties. They conduct their discussion group every month or two in the public part where members get to share their views

Most of the members are not even uncle or aunties but young people especially students of Islamabad. I have seen their group discussions and they are group of educated people of Islamabad.

every party starts off like this in intial days. Who knows whether this party could act as an important player in future or not.

You can't just have a party of "clean" elites who've probably never even been to the poorer areas of Punjab, let alone Pakistan and expect them to understand the common man's issues and grass-roots level work that needs to be done.

 

[Loralai]

If this had been a case of "blasphemy" I'm sure our molvis would be out in force and up to their usual antics. Instead they are almost all quiet.

 

[Loralai]

Just a bunch of burger uncles and aunties in Islamabad who get together for kitty parties. Won't even manage to get a local councillor elected. A local khateeb of a mosque might get more votes than a AWP candidate and nobody takes mullahs seriously in politics lol

Burger kids and aunties?

Maybe you should try to learn about and support progressive movements in Pakistan instead of following a selected Prime Minister and comedians like Shaikh Rasheed and Shah Mahmood Quraishi.

 

[Major]

You can't just have a party of "clean" elites who've probably never even been to the poorer areas of Punjab, let alone Pakistan and expect them to understand the common man's issues and grass-roots level work that needs to be done.

you dont become an electable party just in a night. You first develop your ideology and than gather the people who share the same ideology as you and than start doing movements. At the same time if you are a party that cares for awaam you identify the face of the party or the leader of the party amongest you and than you do movements and campaigns accordingly.

AWP not going to the poorer areas of Punjab is just your or mine assumption. Maybe they do, we dont know for sure.

I know some of the people who are not members of AWP but work closely with them who take part in philanthropy work in poorer areas of Punjab.

AWP i agree is a weak party and have missed many opportunities in the past to make themselves recognizable. But if it finds the right leader and voice, could make its mark in atleast Islamabad

 

[Loralai]

You can't just have a party of "clean" elites who've probably never even been to the poorer areas of Punjab, let alone Pakistan and expect them to understand the common man's issues and grass-roots level work that needs to be done.

Why do you think they have never been to poorer areas of Punjab? Why do you think they don't understand the common man's issues? Bet they understand them more than Shah Mahmood Qureshi and Shaikh Rashid

 

[srh]

has CCPO resigned yet?

If he has not resigned yet then he should be pressured by government to resign. If he still does not listen then fire him.

 

[Major]

Well, that's how democracy works. You do have to represent the people you are trying to get to vote for you. If AWP start pitching for transgender public lavatories as part of their manifesto, that might win some approval in the UK, but most Pakistanis would just think they were lunatics.

As far as this topic is concerned, it would be actually more useful for the Pakistani people to appeal to their local maulvi for justice if they place more trust in them than their local MP or police force. It's about getting justice at the end of the day, whether that comes from a judge or a mullah isn't the most important thing.

If this had been a case of "blasphemy" I'm sure our molvis would be out in force and up to their usual antics. Instead they are almost all quiet.

A molvi march did take place in Rawalpindi today after Jummah, and guess what the topic was. Khatam e Naboowat.

Those are the priorities of the Molvis

 

[MenInG]

As the calls for the removal of Lahore Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Umer Sheikh over his remarks on the gang-rape of a woman grew, Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat on Friday said that the government and chief minister were aware of the demand and that ousting or keeping him on the post was the latter's prerogative.

Basharat was speaking to the media at the Lahore-Sialkot Motorway, where the incident took place. The provincial law minister has been appointed as head of a committee constituted by Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar to probe the case.

According to the details available so far, the woman in early 30s, a resident of Lahore’s Defence Housing Society, was stuck on the motorway with her two children at around 1am after her car ran out of petrol. As she tried to arrange for help, two men approached her and took her and her children (below eight) into the nearby fields at gunpoint.

Once in the field, the attackers raped the woman in front of her children. By the time a police party and a relative the woman had called reached the scene, the attackers had fled, taking with them the cash and valuables the victim was carrying with her.

CCPO Sheikh on Thursday invited criticism when he pontificated that the victim had failed to take due precautions before setting off for her journey. According to the Lahore police chief’s logic, the woman could have avoided being at the wrong place at the wrong time. He said she should have taken the more populated GT Road to Gujranwala instead of going via motorway, and that she ought to have checked how much fuel her car had before setting off.

As the news of the atrocity spread, there was an outpouring of support for the victims — the woman who was violated and the children — and a public condemnation of the CCPO's remarks.

Today, while responding to a question regarding Sheikh's remarks and whether the government would remove him, Basharat said: "Government is aware of this demand [for Sheikh's removal], the chief minister is aware. This is the prerogative of the chief minister."

He added that as head of the committee, he was visiting the site of the crime in order to check up on the status of the investigation.

"I said this last night as well that I don't agree with his (CCPO) statement and that it was inappropriate.

"Now, moving forward, I want to repeat that right now our total focus is to catch the culprits. If, at this time, we get tangled in administrative matters — which are our internal matters — then we will not be able to achieve our target."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579100/m...tive-to-remove-lahore-ccpo-says-raja-basharat

 

[Loralai]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AWP Isb-Rwp strongly condemns the heart-wrenching incident of the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/motorwayincident?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#motorwayincident</a> rape victim and demands the government to take immediate action to apprehend the perpetrators involved and reform the judicial procedures to ensure convictions of rape and other sexual crimes. <a href="https://t.co/4vHmiQ6Ixw">pic.twitter.com/4vHmiQ6Ixw</a></p>— AWP Islamabad (@AWPIsbRwp) <a href="https://twitter.com/AWPIsbRwp/status/1304051312150151170?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No other party in Pakistan has put out a statement of this quality and perspective. Maybe PTI and PML-N can learn from AWP.

 

[Major]

has CCPO resigned yet?

If he has not resigned yet then he should be pressured by government to resign. If he still does not listen then fire him.

Some ministers do not find anything wrong with his statement, while there are some like Ali Mohammad Khan who rightly criticized the CCPO and asked his own govt to take action against him. The Human rights minister also critsized the CCPO

Buzdar saab has no idea what the CCPO said and was clueless.

Lets see if any action gets taken against the CCPO. One major problem that one can identify is the lack of police cordination.

 

[Loralai]

A molvi march did take place in Rawalpindi today after Jummah, and guess what the topic was. Khatam e Naboowat.

Those are the priorities of the Molvis

These molvis are the biggest problem in Pakistan and the root cause of almost all our issues. The sooner they are shown their place by the state the better.

 

[Syed1]

Some ministers do not find anything wrong with his statement.

Again spreading misinformation after it was categorically debunked. This seems to be a pattern with you in every thread.

 

[Syed1]

These molvis are the biggest problem in Pakistan and the root cause of almost all our issues. The sooner they are shown their place by the state the better.

No moom batti brigade and liberals like you are a problem in equal measure.

 

[topspin]

Just a bunch of burger uncles and aunties in Islamabad who get together for kitty parties. Won't even manage to get a local councillor elected. A local khateeb of a mosque might get more votes than a AWP candidate and nobody takes mullahs seriously in politics lol

You have to start from somewhere. PTI was nothing before IK had the financial backing of the Tareen mafia and the crooks he picked up from his rival parties.

If a local khateeb of a mosque is more likely to get votes, this is a reflection of how backwards Pakistani society has become.

 

[topspin]

These molvis are the biggest problem in Pakistan and the root cause of almost all our issues. The sooner they are shown their place by the state the better.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[Syed1]

You have to start from somewhere. PTI was nothing before IK had the financial backing of the Tareen mafia and the crooks he picked up from his rival parties.

If a local khateeb of a mosque is more likely to get votes, this is a reflection of how backwards Pakistani society has become.

Don't need lectures from foreign born Brit Paks who have only spent a couple of months in Pak during their summer holidays.

 

[Loralai]

No moom batti brigade and liberals like you are a problem in equal measure.

Would you rather live in a country dominated by liberal thinkers and "mom batti brigade" or by molvis talking about nothing but blasphemy and 295-C?

 

[Star_Coffee]

You are wrong. He blamed the victim in a time where she just suffered through the most tragic event in her life. He should have been more responsible.



I am pretty sure females are aware of the danger. Rape is not something new. So telling them its dangerious will do nothing when they are in the firing line of it.

There is no way to teach them how to protect themselves. Rapist come at victims prepared. They know how to mentally torture the victim into submission. No amount of training can prepare a women to deal with that situation. Its easy for you to say that cause your speaking in hindsight. Try to imagine being in this women's shoes. And I suggest doing more research on rapist. Your post lacks it.

Where did I say rape is a new concept or it has recently become trendy? of course, it has been happening and it will continue to happen - This isn't the last time it has happened and this won't be the last time you will see people using this tragedy for scoring political and religious points.

There's a way to not only make our females aware of the danger but also our kids at an early age, as in Pakistan it is rarely taught about it - the o0nly way to protect our loved ones because a perfect world does not exist.

Now there are few on this thread, who for either political agenda or religious agenda, will accuse you of victim-blaming, or even ask a ridiculous question such, "why can't our female go out", as if suggesting or highlighting the danger and how to counter is any way suggesting to lock them up, a jhalat of the highest order.

These are the same people when it suits them will build a rosy picture of the world and when it doesn't suit them then the world is a worse place, in this case, the world suppose to be a good place and she shouldn't have been raped - it isn't. Public hanging or life sentence? - publically hanging make some of us feel good but at the end of the day, there will be someone who will get raped and the only, I believe, is to teach our kids and female about the danger and give them every tool in the shed as to how to spot danger early and get away from it.

Now this guy is doing the rounds on this thread, here is an example of his comment

‘Blasphemy ya mandir ka masla hota toh sarko par hotay, rape tha, isliyay janay diya.’

Yours truly,

Pakistani Mullahs

Read this comment, what he is suggesting that people should come out on the streets? for what? are the suspect not been searched by the police or had the police not made any arrest?

Suggesting for chaos? hypocrisy in his comment is such that he will criticize Mullah for their actions (as many of us do) but while suggesting civilized people do the same when the police are doing their work, how in the world would you try to come off better than Mullah when you are suggesting for the same when there is no need?

We can agree or disagree about the officer making the comment at a wrong time or how insensitive but we can't solve this issue or minimize until and until we not only punish those who commit this crime but also teach our kids and female how to spot the danger and this has to be highlighted simultaneously because currently, media is only going to highlight political views as it sells but they will not dare to talk about what can we do to protect out kids.

Publicly hanging comes after the crime had been committed and someone had become a victim, I believe, we need to find ways to stop someone becoming a victim.

 

[Syed1]

Would you rather live in a country dominated by liberal thinkers and "mom batti brigade" or by molvis talking about nothing but blasphemy and 295-C?

What part of "problem in equal measure" was too hard to understand?



That's the issue with you liberal losers, whoever doesn't subscribe to your line of thought is a mullah. Oddly enough mullahs have the same mentality.

 

[Star_Coffee]

What part of "problem in equal measure" was too hard to understand?



That's the issue with you liberal losers, whoever doesn't subscribe to your line of thought is a mullah. Oddly enough mullahs have the same mentality.

Agenda driven opportunistic vultures do not waste an opportunity - a tragedy used to further their agenda.

Kids will be affected, marriage will be affected, almost everyone in the family will be treated for PTSD, life has changed but some are here suggesting to become Mullah while criticizing Mullah - dumbest thing I've ever heard.

 

[Loralai]

What part of "problem in equal measure" was too hard to understand?



That's the issue with you liberal losers, whoever doesn't subscribe to your line of thought is a mullah. Oddly enough mullahs have the same mentality.

There is a big difference between the impact that liberals and "mom batti brigade" will have and the kind of society that molvis want for Pakistan. You cannot compare religious extremism and progressive political thought.

If you agree that molvis are a big problem in our country then why did you support a political party which has been happy to defend blasphemy law and appease religious groups?

 

[saeedhk]

Where did I say rape is a new concept or it has recently become trendy? of course, it has been happening and it will continue to happen - This isn't the last time it has happened and this won't be the last time you will see people using this tragedy for scoring political and religious points.

There's a way to not only make our females aware of the danger but also our kids at an early age, as in Pakistan it is rarely taught about it - the o0nly way to protect our loved ones because a perfect world does not exist.

Now there are few on this thread, who for either political agenda or religious agenda, will accuse you of victim-blaming, or even ask a ridiculous question such, "why can't our female go out", as if suggesting or highlighting the danger and how to counter is any way suggesting to lock them up, a jhalat of the highest order.

These are the same people when it suits them will build a rosy picture of the world and when it doesn't suit them then the world is a worse place, in this case, the world suppose to be a good place and she shouldn't have been raped - it isn't. Public hanging or life sentence? - publically hanging make some of us feel good but at the end of the day, there will be someone who will get raped and the only, I believe, is to teach our kids and female about the danger and give them every tool in the shed as to how to spot danger early and get away from it.

Now this guy is doing the rounds on this thread, here is an example of his comment



Read this comment, what he is suggesting that people should come out on the streets? for what? are the suspect not been searched by the police or had the police not made any arrest?

Suggesting for chaos? hypocrisy in his comment is such that he will criticize Mullah for their actions (as many of us do) but while suggesting civilized people do the same when the police are doing their work, how in the world would you try to come off better than Mullah when you are suggesting for the same when there is no need?

We can agree or disagree about the officer making the comment at a wrong time or how insensitive but we can't solve this issue or minimize until and until we not only punish those who commit this crime but also teach our kids and female how to spot the danger and this has to be highlighted simultaneously because currently, media is only going to highlight political views as it sells but they will not dare to talk about what can we do to protect out kids.

Publicly hanging comes after the crime had been committed and someone had become a victim, I believe, we need to find ways to stop someone becoming a victim.

You have some serious comprehension issue. My gist was that how come mullahs and other right-wingers that constitute 90% of Pakistan’s population never take to streets on such heinous crimes? Have you seen any mullah condemning the incident. Every day, rabid Pakistanis taking to streets to save Islam and Pakistan but never have they ever condemned the rampant child sex abuse that takes place in religious schools.

Saba did a little twirl and the whole of Pakistanis was salivating, ready to claw her. She was accused of being a blasphemer. How come no such outrage is shown when rape happens or when women are killed over honor or when women are attacked with acid.

 

[topspin]

Well, that's how democracy works. You do have to represent the people you are trying to get to vote for you. If AWP start pitching for transgender public lavatories as part of their manifesto, that might win some approval in the UK, but most Pakistanis would just think they were lunatics.

As far as this topic is concerned, it would be actually more useful for the Pakistani people to appeal to their local maulvi for justice if they place more trust in them than their local MP or police force. It's about getting justice at the end of the day, whether that comes from a judge or a mullah isn't the most important thing.

Lets not use extreme examples like this. It's not relevant to AWP whatsoever.

FYI, I don't support gender neural bathrooms. Even in the UK, an overwhelming majority are not in favour of such lavatories and most of the people who've used them have reported negative experiences.

The reason why the Mullah culture has been brought up is because we're highlighting why their presence has allowed more fundamental issues such as rape to be overlooked in favour of cases such as blasphemy by the pro-Mumtaz Qadri crowd.

They are also obstructing justice because of the way they interpret Islam. The response of the chief police officer is a reflection of the mindset of Pakistan society today.

 

[saeedhk]

What part of "problem in equal measure" was too hard to understand?



That's the issue with you liberal losers, whoever doesn't subscribe to your line of thought is a mullah. Oddly enough mullahs have the same mentality.

You live in one of the most liberal countries and yet badmouth them. Amazing. If it wasn’t for liberalism, Canada would not have opened their doors for you and the rest of Muslims and Pakistanis to come to their country, enjoy their freedoms and earn in dollars.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A molvi march did take place in Rawalpindi today after Jummah, and guess what the topic was. Khatam e Naboowat.

Those are the priorities of the Molvis

Then that is a great opportunity for AWP to hold their own march demanding justice for this woman and denouncing maulvis from her own area for not bothering about her plight. Have they done that?

 

[Syed1]

You live in one of the most liberal countries and yet badmouth them. Amazing. If it wasn’t for liberalism, Canada would not have opened their doors for you and the rest of Muslims and Pakistanis to come to their country, enjoy their freedoms and earn in dollars.

As IK says Pakistan doesn't have liberals, they have liberally corrupt.



Do you think our liberals can stand up to the ideals of liberals in Canada? Heck liberals in Pakistan are more right wing than right wing in Canada. Fun fact just bad mouthing Islam does not fall under liberalism.



Please realize your level before talking about things above your paygrade.

 

[Star_Coffee]

You have some serious comprehension issue. My gist was that how come mullahs and other right-wingers that constitute 90% of Pakistan’s population never take to streets on such heinous crimes? Have you seen any mullah condemning the incident. Every day, rabid Pakistanis taking to streets to save Islam and Pakistan but never have they ever condemned the rampant child sex abuse that takes place in religious schools.

Saba did a little twirl and the whole of Pakistanis was salivating, ready to claw her. She was accused of being a blasphemer. How come no such outrage is shown when rape happens or when women are killed over honor or when women are attacked with acid.

90% of Pakistani population are mullah and other right-wingers?

and if that is true and according to you almost everyone is Mullah in Pakistan, that is about 200 million people, elected a PM who promote music, movies, different culture, and many other things that Mullah would not promote or approve.

Have you lost your mind and expect me to reply to this ridiculous comment?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lets not use extreme examples like this. It's not relevant to AWP whatsoever.

FYI, I don't support gender neural bathrooms. Even in the UK, an overwhelming majority are not in favour of such lavatories and most of the people who've used them have reported negative experiences.

The reason why the Mullah culture has been brought up is because we're highlighting why their presence has allowed more fundamental issues such as rape to be overlooked in favour of cases such as blasphemy by the pro-Mumtaz Qadri crowd.

They are also obstructing justice because of the way they interpret Islam. The response of the chief police officer is a reflection of the mindset of Pakistan society today.

I agree most mullahs are illiterate and narrow minded, but I can't think of any religious party in Pakistan which would interpret Islam in such a way that it's okay to rape a woman in front of her kids by the roadside. Are you sure that is the case?