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Motorway rape incident: Abid Malhi and Shafqat Ali sentenced to death [Post#474]

Funny how a rape incident is being used by all and sundry to attack Islam, Muslims, IK, Asad Umar and entire PTI.



Our liberals are running out of bangles to break :)))
 
Then that is a great opportunity for AWP to hold their own march demanding justice for this woman and denouncing maulvis from her own area for not bothering about her plight. Have they done that?

you are right, this is an opportunity for them to do a march and thats where they fail at. The party lacks leadership
 
I agree most mullahs are illiterate and narrow minded, but I can't think of any religious party in Pakistan which would interpret Islam in such a way that it's okay to rape a woman in front of her kids by the roadside. Are you sure that is the case?

capt bro, trust me, these religious party people do find a away into blaming the women.

They already despise the dressing of women or them driving cars.

On social media there have been some bashing the victim for going out at night or not checking petrol. Some people responded back well that its like saying the victims of PIA crash should had traveled by road.

Now when such statements are also said by the CCPO, it makes you understand how insensitive our society is.
 
90% of Pakistani population are mullah and other right-wingers?

and if that is true and according to you almost everyone is Mullah in Pakistan, that is about 200 million people, elected a PM who promote music, movies, different culture, and many other things that Mullah would not promote or approve.

Have you lost your mind and expect me to reply to this ridiculous comment?

Yes. Pakistani society is very intolerant.
 
As IK says Pakistan doesn't have liberals, they have liberally corrupt.



Do you think our liberals can stand up to the ideals of liberals in Canada? Heck liberals in Pakistan are more right wing than right wing in Canada. Fun fact just bad mouthing Islam does not fall under liberalism.

IK was the biggest liberal Pakistan has ever seen. I do not see anybody badmouthing Islam. You have run out of arguments.

Move back to Pakistan. Canada is very liberal.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ccpo claiming that in our society women/children arent allowed to go outside after 12:30 am! Who are you to set time limits for us? <br>I was stabbed 23 times in broad daylight! Dont tell us that 'time' is directly connected to the commission of offence! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/motorwayincident?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#motorwayincident</a> <a href="https://t.co/8z9ERuJ3Rc">pic.twitter.com/8z9ERuJ3Rc</a></p>— khadija siddiqi (@khadijasid751) <a href="https://twitter.com/khadijasid751/status/1304095563466657792?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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you are right, this is an opportunity for them to do a march and thats where they fail at. The party lacks leadership

It suggests that their agenda is not one shared by the common person however high minded they may be. We can see reflection of it on this thread which has become more about political point scoring than concern to get justice. Anyone who really cared about the woman would be happy to see someone stand up for her rights whether it is an atheist transvestite, or a fire breathing maulvi.
 
Don't need lectures from foreign born Brit Paks who have only spent a couple of months in Pak during their summer holidays.

You wouldn't like it if Pakistanis told you that your opinion doesn't count because you moved to Canada.
 
Yes. Pakistani society is very intolerant.

Say the guy who come up with ridiculous made up stats, whose comments are in every thread is limited to and does not reflect the title of the thread, "Islam is bad" and "Pakistan is bad".


Baba Jee, you aren't doing justice to whatever your believes and agendas are. Try doing better.
 
Say the guy who come up with ridiculous made up stats, whose comments are in every thread is limited to and does not reflect the title of the thread, "Islam is bad" and "Pakistan is bad".


Baba Jee, you aren't doing justice to whatever your believes and agendas are. Try doing better.

Tell me one post where I have badmouthed Islam. I may be more religious than you. You have run out of arguments.
 
The day a woman can walk freely on the roads at midnight, that day we can say that India has achieved independence

Gandhi's quote still holds true even for Pakistan.

Hope justice is served to the victim.
 
capt bro, trust me, these religious party people do find a away into blaming the women.

They already despise the dressing of women or them driving cars.

On social media there have been some bashing the victim for going out at night or not checking petrol. Some people responded back well that its like saying the victims of PIA crash should had traveled by road.

Now when such statements are also said by the CCPO, it makes you understand how insensitive our society is.

Which is why it is even more important that someone stands up and calls the CCPO to account for it. Why can't these people be questioned about it on a tv debate? Even if they somehow can explain how it is the woman's fault, a half decent questioner would be able to ask why does that absolve the rapists? Is that behaviour they would recommend for Muslim men?
 
Which is why it is even more important that someone stands up and calls the CCPO to account for it. Why can't these people be questioned about it on a tv debate? Even if they somehow can explain how it is the woman's fault, a half decent questioner would be able to ask why does that absolve the rapists? Is that behaviour they would recommend for Muslim men?

this is why people have been bashing the political govt of Punjab for not taking action against the CCPO.

Every Pakistani govt official has a report on him prepared by the IB when getting promotion, and the CCPO had a very bad track record when he got this position a week ago, his IB report was leaked.

People are angry with the political govt that how could a person still hold his position even after making such statement. Infact, some of our ministers found nothing wrong in the statement to warrant a removal.

This is why the matter has turned abit political and in the coming days either this will hush up or people will have to get out of their houses to march and get this CCPO to be removed by the Punjab Govt.
 
IK was the biggest liberal Pakistan has ever seen. I do not see anybody badmouthing Islam. You have run out of arguments.

Move back to Pakistan. Canada is very liberal.

I'll move back when you move back.
 
You wouldn't like it if Pakistanis told you that your opinion doesn't count because you moved to Canada.

That's because that opinion would be wrong. I have spent over two decades in Pakistan. My family and spouse are in Pakistan. Every paycheque I send a chunk over to Pakistan. So don't tell me I don't have stakes in Pakistan.



You on the other hand have barely spent more than a few months in Pak and act as if you are an expert on the country.
 
That's because that opinion would be wrong. I have spent over two decades in Pakistan. My family and spouse are in Pakistan. Every paycheque I send a chunk over to Pakistan. So don't tell me I don't have stakes in Pakistan.



You on the other hand have barely spent more than a few months in Pak and act as if you are an expert on the country.

Flawed argument. I'm well versed with Pakistan's economy because of my credentials as a CFA investment professional. In fact I know non-Pakistanis in my industry who probably know more about this aspect of Pakistan more than you do.
 
Blame does fall on the govt.

Right now there are some confusion in reports. Some are saying this happened in motorway and some are saying this happened on Ringroad.

Motorway has its own police and Ringroad police has the city police. The city police is known for being corrupt. I think posters from Lahore can vouch here that the police on ring road spends their time sitting at hotels and only do their duty when they have no money and need to bribe people on bikes.

Govt will be blamed for the police being a joke. It could had been any govt and they should had been blamed.

We are in 21st century and yet the motorway police cant coordinate with city police.
The city police should be on parole on the ringroad like the motorway police is.

Lets hope the culprits are found, because if they are not. Next thing that would be bashed is the money spent on the safe city project. Safe city also covers ring road.
I'm from Lahore and travel on ring road and my very often. I am 99% sure this happened on ring road. Motorway police is actually very good and could have possibly helped the victim. One time I ran out of petrol coming from Naran on M-2. A police car waited with me for 2 hours until someone came with petrol. This would have never happened on ring road and maybe I would've been robbed. Punjab police is very corrupt as I got robbed countless times even outside a police stations and "posh areas". Until police reforms are made, instances like this will happen.
 
I'm from Lahore and travel on ring road and my very often. I am 99% sure this happened on ring road. Motorway police is actually very good and could have possibly helped the victim. One time I ran out of petrol coming from Naran on M-2. A police car waited with me for 2 hours until someone came with petrol. This would have never happened on ring road and maybe I would've been robbed. Punjab police is very corrupt as I got robbed countless times even outside a police stations and "posh areas". Until police reforms are made, instances like this will happen.

yes you are right, motorway police is quite good and to me aswell it seems it happened on Ring Road.

You will find punjab police at nakas trying to bribe teenagers. Even the ones they probably had for ringroad(which i really doubt they had any patroling ones), they probably set up a checkpost at the of the roads to collect bribes.

The motorway police has confirmed that they forwarded the complain to the city police who did not act.

I am surprised by how unprofessional the Dolphin force was that they were firing random shots. What idiots

Police reforms are seriously needed.
 
Flawed argument. I'm well versed with Pakistan's economy because of my credentials as a CFA investment professional. In fact I know non-Pakistanis in my industry who probably know more about this aspect of Pakistan more than you do.

LOL we saw your credentials come into play when you were defending Noora's economic performance.
 
Then that is a great opportunity for AWP to hold their own march demanding justice for this woman and denouncing maulvis from her own area for not bothering about her plight. Have they done that?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AWP Islamabad will be joining the protest against the horrific rape of a woman to demand an <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a> and women’s right to bodily autonomy and freedom. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndPatriarchalViolence?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndPatriarchalViolence</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MeraJismMeriMarzi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MeraJismMeriMarzi</a> <a href="https://t.co/VXpf1wIDQu">pic.twitter.com/VXpf1wIDQu</a></p>— AWP Islamabad (@AWPIsbRwp) <a href="https://twitter.com/AWPIsbRwp/status/1304166242849361922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The Punjab police chief on Friday ordered the deployment of highway patrol and special protection personnel on the Lahore-Sialkot Motorway, days after a woman was gang-raped on the unmanned road in a case that has caused countrywide outrage and exposed lack of security on the route.

The order for deployment came in a memo sent to the Additional IG of Punjab Highway Patrol (PHP) and DIG Special Protection Unit (SPU) by the AIG (operations) on behalf of newly appointed Punjab Inspector General of Police Inam Ghani.

The letter, seen by Dawn.com, noted that ever since its operationalisation, the newly constructed Lahore-Sialkot Motorway has "remained unmanned both in terms of security and traffic management" and the Motorway Police has not taken over it thus far.

It said the IGP has directed the PHP to deploy manpower on the 91-kilometre stretch of the motorway in order to ensure the security of commuters.

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"The mandate of the force so deployed shall be restricted to security of commuters and road users only. However, the said deployment shall remain in place as a temporary arrangement till the deployment of National Highways and Motorway Police," the letter stated.

The memo said in order for the duties to be given effect as per the standard operating procedures, the PHP "shall be reinforced with SPU" personnel.

"The detailed modalities of [the] deployment of PHP and SPU must be conceived and operationalised with immediate effect," it said, directing the police officers to submit the detailed functional deployment plan by today.

According to the details available so far, a woman in her early 30s, a resident of Lahore’s Defence Housing Society, was stuck on the motorway with her two children at around 1am after her car ran out of petrol. As she tried to arrange for help, two men approached her and took her and her children (under eight) into the nearby fields at gunpoint.

Once in the field, the attackers raped the woman in front of her children. By the time a police party and a relative the woman had called reached the scene, the attackers had fled, taking with them the cash and valuables the victim was carrying with her.

As the investigation into the incident started, there were reports that the victim had called on the helpline of Motorway Police, but she was denied assistance because the area in question was not covered by the Pakistan National Highway and Motorway Police.

A spokesperson for the PNH&MP confirmed this while talking to Dawn. He said the 90-kilometre-long Lahore-Sialkot Motorway had yet to be handed over to them officially.

He said the motorway, built and operated by the FWO, was inaugurated some six months back.

Investigation 'on good track': IGP
Separately, IGP Ghani told reporters that nearly 250 personnel of PHP and SPU will perform duties on the motorway in three shifts. "They will carry out patrols round the clock on motorcycles and cars," he said, adding that the police personnel will not only give protection to commuters but also help out those in distress.

He said a ticketing system will soon be set up on the motorway and its security will be completely handed over to the Motorway Police within "2-3 months".

IGP Ghani said they are "on a good track" in the investigation of the case but declined to provide specifics regarding the number of suspects arrested so far.

He said he would "not defend" Lahore Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Umer Sheikh's comments regarding the incident, saying a victim could not be blamed in any situation. "The watchman (chowkidar) of a house cannot ask the house owner to take care of their belongings themselves ... We have to provide security," the police chief added.

On Thursday, CCPO Sheikh had invited criticism when he pontificated that the victim had failed to take due precautions before setting off for her journey. He said she should have taken the more populated GT Road to Gujranwala instead of going via the motorway.

'Blind incident'
Earlier today, Punjab Law Minister Raja Basharat told the media during a visit to the crime scene that 28 teams were working as part of the investigation into the case.

He said evidence collected from the site had been sent for forensic examination and medical exam of the victim had been conducted.

He said this was a "blind incident" in which there was "no clear evidence" and so the evidence will have to be developed through investigation and corroborated before reaching a conclusion.

"Our total emphasis is on the investigation," he said, terming the case a challenge for the Lahore police and the government.

The minister said the government would look to address any "lapse" found in the safety of women in the province and work to prevent such incidents in the future by considering how roads could be made safer. He said 500 additional vehicles were being purchased to improve police patrolling and functions.

The provincial government will also look into why the motorway remained unmanned since its inauguration, Basharat said in response to a question.

Investigation underway
In the first progress report submitted by the Lahore police to Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar, it was claimed that some 15 suspects were taken into custody during a search operation launched in the vicinities of the crime site.

Buzdar also constituted a five-member committee, with the provincial law minister as the convener, to investigate the case.

IGP Ghani earlier told Dawn that a lot of work was being done on the brutal rape case. “Our 20 teams are working on this case. Lahore DIG (Investigations) Shahzada Sultan is leading one of them. A crime investigation agency is separately working. Another one is being led by divisional SP,” he said.

He said the data from geo-fencing at three points, including where the car stopped, where the woman was raped, and the area pointed out by a local tracker hired by police to trace the footprints of the culprits, had been recorded.

“We have also obtained data of men of between 25 and 35 years living in the nearby villages from Nadra besides conducting profiling of 70 young suspects,” Ghani said.

Police had also confirmed on the basis of medical reports that the victim was raped by more than one man. He also hinted that police had managed to get some clues from the crime scene that could lead them to the culprits.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579116/p...rway-after-gang-rape-exposes-lack-of-security
 
LOL we saw your credentials come into play when you were defending Noora's economic performance.

You probably missed my post when I was critical of PML-N's Ishaq Dar due to his insistence to keep the rupee to dollar rate at 100 PKR. This is one of the main reasons why there was a significant fall in GDP.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AWP Islamabad will be joining the protest against the horrific rape of a woman to demand an <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a> and women’s right to bodily autonomy and freedom. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndPatriarchalViolence?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndPatriarchalViolence</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MeraJismMeriMarzi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MeraJismMeriMarzi</a> <a href="https://t.co/VXpf1wIDQu">pic.twitter.com/VXpf1wIDQu</a></p>— AWP Islamabad (@AWPIsbRwp) <a href="https://twitter.com/AWPIsbRwp/status/1304166242849361922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Glad you took my advice, but the stuff about patriarchal brutalities and feminazi insignia must be aimed at foreigners, I don't think your average Pakistani will have any idea what that is about.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AWP Islamabad will be joining the protest against the horrific rape of a woman to demand an <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a> and women’s right to bodily autonomy and freedom. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndPatriarchalViolence?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndPatriarchalViolence</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MeraJismMeriMarzi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MeraJismMeriMarzi</a> <a href="https://t.co/VXpf1wIDQu">pic.twitter.com/VXpf1wIDQu</a></p>— AWP Islamabad (@AWPIsbRwp) <a href="https://twitter.com/AWPIsbRwp/status/1304166242849361922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just another reason why AWP are the best party in Pakistan.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AWP Islamabad will be joining the protest against the horrific rape of a woman to demand an <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a> and women’s right to bodily autonomy and freedom. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndPatriarchalViolence?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndPatriarchalViolence</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MeraJismMeriMarzi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MeraJismMeriMarzi</a> <a href="https://t.co/VXpf1wIDQu">pic.twitter.com/VXpf1wIDQu</a></p>— AWP Islamabad (@AWPIsbRwp) <a href="https://twitter.com/AWPIsbRwp/status/1304166242849361922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Political move disguised as demanding justice for a victim, despeciable behavior to further their political agenda at the expense of a victim.

Justice will be served as those involved will be punished - if they had not and police were not actively searching and arresting then this march would make sense.

Pathetic to say the least and no different than those Mullah who prey on weak minded.
 
Glad you took my advice, but the stuff about patriarchal brutalities and feminazi insignia must be aimed at foreigners, I don't think your average Pakistani will have any idea what that is about.
Why? Don't you think it is important to call out patriarchial violence? The insignia you talk about belongs to WDF - they are a great organisation and do lots of good work.

Don't underestimate average Pakistanis. Contrary to some of the comments in this thread, people do actually want to live in a civilised and just society.
 
2 days have gone and still no sign of culprit being arrested even.that AtM use story is fake Buzdar sb wake up
 
Political move disguised as demanding justice for a victim, despeciable behavior to further their political agenda at the expense of a victim.

Justice will be served as those involved will be punished - if they had not and police were not actively searching and arresting then this march would make sense.

Pathetic to say the least and no different than those Mullah who prey on weak minded.

You again dont understand

Justice also got served when Zainabs killer and rapist was hanged..

Hanging solves nothing. You need reforms, you need govt supported CCPO's removed. You need to force the govt to bring in police patrolling in such areas. You need ministers to have guts to take action instead of saying they dont find anything wrong with dumb statements.
ANd guess what, that won't end rape, but atleast you provide some level of safety when you atleast improve your police force.

Political parties are suppose to take action on such things, what do you think political parties exist for?
 
2 days have gone and still no sign of culprit being arrested even.that AtM use story is fake Buzdar sb wake up

yup just found out.

70 suspects have been interrogated, 15 dnas tested no match
 
Why? Don't you think it is important to call out patriarchial violence? The insignia you talk about belongs to WDF - they are a great organisation and do lots of good work.

Don't underestimate average Pakistanis. Contrary to some of the comments in this thread, people do actually want to live in a civilised and just society.



Great. In that case there is no problem, Pakistan is already well on the way to progress.
 
You again dont understand

Justice also got served when Zainabs killer and rapist was hanged..

Hanging solves nothing. You need reforms, you need govt supported CCPO's removed. You need to force the govt to bring in police patrolling in such areas. You need ministers to have guts to take action instead of saying they dont find anything wrong with dumb statements.
ANd guess what, that won't end rape, but atleast you provide some level of safety when you atleast improve your police force.

Political parties are suppose to take action on such things, what do you think political parties exist for?

Police patrolling will increase as it has already been implemented, I think you posted that article.

Hanging won't stop rape as it is evident.

Reform - you want to remove the police officer, go ahead, he isn't a relative of anyone but that won't stop rape as you have already stated, the incident will continue and those who want to score a political point and further their agenda at the expense of a victim while blaming others for the victim because they highlighted political agenda will continue at the expense of the next victim.

Rape incident will continue to happen, as you have mentioned hanging won't stop rape, sad reality and it has always been a secular or non-secular country.

This march has nothing to do with giving justice to a victim nor it has to do with any reform - it is politically driven, energy and investment will be better served at teaching our kids to spot danger and report to the parents.

Like I've said, a political move, preying on weak-minded similar to the Mullah's
 
Police patrolling will increase as it has already been implemented, I think you posted that article.

Hanging won't stop rape as it is evident.

Reform - you want to remove the police officer, go ahead, he isn't a relative of anyone but that won't stop rape as you have already stated, the incident will continue and those who want to score a political point and further their agenda at the expense of a victim while blaming others for the victim because they highlighted political agenda.

Rape incident will continue to happen, as you have mentioned hanging won't stop rape, sad reality and it has always been a secular or non-secular country.

This march has nothing to do with giving justice to a victim nor it has to do with any reform - it is politically driven, energy and investment will be better served at teaching our kids to spot danger and report to the parents.

Like I've said, a political move, preying on weak-minded similar to the Mullah's
again you have skipped the whole post.

Point is, you are suppose to bring some change. If the Rate of Rape is 60% bring it to 10% atleast if 0 is not possible. Bring is to 10% than bring it to 5 than aim for 0.

What you are saying is that rape can't be finish so we should just forget about it no need for reforms and move on.

Bhai, even if the march dont happen, police will patrol those area now. But these marches are suppose to force govt to bring permanent order in place.

DOnt you think these protest teaches us about sexual harrassment. Infact, ever since these marches have started women have become more aware of what is wrong and right.

Also, you are suppose to show awaam that there are groups that support you.

You seem to have problem with liberals or people who stand up for women rights.
 
again you have skipped the whole post.

Point is, you are suppose to bring some change. If the Rate of Rape is 60% bring it to 10% atleast if 0 is not possible. Bring is to 10% than bring it to 5 than aim for 0.

What you are saying is that rape can't be finish so we should just forget about it no need for reforms and move on.

Bhai, even if the march dont happen, police will patrol those area now. But these marches are suppose to force govt to bring permanent order in place.

DOnt you think these protest teaches us about sexual harrassment. Infact, ever since these marches have started women have become more aware of what is wrong and right.

Also, you are suppose to show awaam that there are groups that support you.

You seem to have problem with liberals or people who stand up for women rights.

I have a problem with those who politicize victims to further their agenda while claiming to be better at those who highlight the real change needed to take place. I despise Mullah as much as I despise those who take advantage of the victim as both of them are politically driven.

As humans, we should continue to reform - that is what we call living, I am not against reform and I would support more policing and stringent punishment for the rape criminal, or the removal of any officer.

No one, I think the only person I've seen who has spoken about is Wasim Akram's wife as to how Monster exists in every society and give them tools to protect themselves against such monsters, I have not heard anyone, no one in the media, no politician, no political party, none of them speak about it, to me that is real reform.

This march has nothing to do with the Victim, it has everything to do in an attempt to further their political agenda at the expense of the Victim.
 
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yup just found out.

70 suspects have been interrogated, 15 dnas tested no match

As long as they get the right person its not a problem. The problem is that Punjab Police has little success in fighting crime, its main function was to serve the Sharif family and so far the PTI havent been in successful in changing that. Its needs to be disbanded and they need to start again.
 
You again dont understand

Justice also got served when Zainabs killer and rapist was hanged..

Hanging solves nothing. You need reforms, you need govt supported CCPO's removed. You need to force the govt to bring in police patrolling in such areas. You need ministers to have guts to take action instead of saying they dont find anything wrong with dumb statements.
ANd guess what, that won't end rape, but atleast you provide some level of safety when you atleast improve your police force.

Political parties are suppose to take action on such things, what do you think political parties exist for?

Why does the ccpo need to be removed?
 
I have a problem with those who politicize victims to further their agenda while claiming to be better at those who highlight the real change needed to take place. I despise Mullah as much as I despise those who take advantage of the victim as both of them are politically driven.

As humans, we should continue to reform - that is what we call living, I am not against reform and I would support more policing and stringent punishment for the rape criminal, or the removal of any officer.

No one, I think the only person I've seen who has spoken about is Wasim Akram's wife as to how Monster exists in every society and give them tools to protect themselves against such monsters, I have not heard anyone, no one in the media, no politician, no political party, none of them speak about it, to me that is real reform.

This march has nothing to do with the Victim, it has everything to do in an attempt to further their political agenda at the expense of the Victim.

Tools as in what? Pepper spray and knives?

doesnt help because children and dead women will still be targetted.

This case was avoidable if we had a functioning police, but the zainab case would had happened if we had a functioning police.

One of the problems that i would assume is segregation. People not learning how to interact with the other gender, keeping them in segregation. I know students who would think the women as to be a hoor of some kind.
People dont even how their behavior is sexual harrasment when interacting with others

Look we cant acheive 0, but atleast bring the rape percentage down to 10 or 5% and that is achievable by making your society better.

I hope before these rapists get hanged they get to spend time with concerned researchers to identify why they do what they do.
 
Why does the ccpo need to be removed?

Because he gave a very insensitive statement. He is a professional and such lapses are not forgivable. Ring Road comes under his supervision aswell, and he has failed in protecting a citizen. But he made his case and matter worse with the statement he gave.

People get fired from job for writing insensitive statement on FB or Twitter. This guy as the CCPO made such dumb statements. With his kind of mentally exposed people wont feel safe, and in future he will get more scrutiny if he makes another statement. This is bad for Punjab Police.

Ali Mohammad pointed out quite beautifully, that had that rape victim been related to the CCPO, people like him would had not only captured the rapist but would had killed him in a fake encounter.
 
Tools as in what? Pepper spray and knives?

doesnt help because children and dead women will still be targetted.

This case was avoidable if we had a functioning police, but the zainab case would had happened if we had a functioning police.

One of the problems that i would assume is segregation. People not learning how to interact with the other gender, keeping them in segregation. I know students who would think the women as to be a hoor of some kind.
People dont even how their behavior is sexual harrasment when interacting with others

Look we cant acheive 0, but atleast bring the rape percentage down to 10 or 5% and that is achievable by making your society better.

I hope before these rapists get hanged they get to spend time with concerned researchers to identify why they do what they do.

You think Knife and pepper spray are the tools I am speaking of? - do your research.


More police will not end nor even significantly decline rape crimes - could have prevented this crime but it won't significantly have any impact on rape crimes.

No one is arguing against making our society better but please do not get upset for calling out those who are using this victim for political gain and has no sympathy with a victim or really looking for a change in this particular matter.
 
You think Knife and pepper spray are the tools I am speaking of? - do your research.


More police will not end nor even significantly decline rape crimes - could have prevented this crime but it won't significantly have any impact on rape crimes.

No one is arguing against making our society better but please do not get upset for calling out those who are using this victim for political gain and has no sympathy with a victim or really looking for a change in this particular matter.

bro, more police patrolling does bring the rate down. Atleast, this case would had not happened.

You know, Motorway is more safe than any other road in Pakistan because Motorway has a dedicated police protecting it.

This happened on ringroad.
You dont need more police, you just have to train them to do patrolling and not just sit at a nakka to get bribes from some druggie.

Anykind of awareness is always good and beneficial. My classmates who would sprout garbage against female and took pride in patriarchy are also showing support on social media atleast against this rape case. THe reason for that is awareness.
 
This reminds me of Delhi Bus rape.
A revolution is needed in Subcontinent for women liberation and end patriarchy. Many of these types of rapes happen because men view women as inferior beings and a lot of times it is to show their dominance.
 
I used to think IK was liberal because of his lifestyle (back in the day) and Oxford education but in recent years he's come across as the contrary. For example, he recently called OBL a "shaheed".

He had always refrained from criticising Al-Qaeda and Taliban and when all the other mainstream parties were in support of taking down their in Pakistan, he kept quiet. The only reason behind that is because he believed they were freedom fighters.

IK is part of the problem and this is one of the reasons why I can no longer support the PTI. Also, IK doesn't have the backbone to stand up to the military and mullahs. He crumbles whenever they put even slightest of pressure on him.

Which party is standing up to military and mullahs???

well said

When the Mullah went crazy over Atif Mian, the PM was very fast in disassociating itself from him.

Now he is yet to take action against the CCPO. Our very own Asad Omar feels the CCPO did nothing wrong.

Which party supported him when there was pressure by mullah to remove Atif Mian????

In fact some liberal parties had members who endorsed the removal.
 
These molvis are the biggest problem in Pakistan and the root cause of almost all our issues. The sooner they are shown their place by the state the better.

How can people who have never held political power in Pakistan at the Federal level will be the root of all issues???

You can blame Army, you can blame politicians, but you cant blame parties like Jaamat-e-Islami when they never have won at the federal level. With that said i dont support the mullahs, but lets be real here.
 
What does CCPO stand for?

The only aim of the police should be to find the criminals. There's plenty of things people could do better to prevent crimes being committed against them, but that doesn't concern the police, their job is to find the criminals.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">AWP Islamabad will be joining the protest against the horrific rape of a woman to demand an <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a> and women’s right to bodily autonomy and freedom. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndRapeCulture?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndRapeCulture</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EndPatriarchalViolence?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EndPatriarchalViolence</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MeraJismMeriMarzi?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MeraJismMeriMarzi</a> <a href="https://t.co/VXpf1wIDQu">pic.twitter.com/VXpf1wIDQu</a></p>— AWP Islamabad (@AWPIsbRwp) <a href="https://twitter.com/AWPIsbRwp/status/1304166242849361922?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does "mera jism meri marzi" mean the same thing it does in the west? As in they want abortion to be allowed?
 
How can people who have never held political power in Pakistan at the Federal level will be the root of all issues???

You can blame Army, you can blame politicians, but you cant blame parties like Jaamat-e-Islami when they never have won at the federal level. With that said i dont support the mullahs, but lets be real here.

They are the root of some issues. Try removing Draconian laws like blasphemy law and tomorrow every Mullah party will be on the streets making all sorts of threats.

You're right that they are not the cause of every issue. But there are massive issues which can be never solved because of them. Blasphemy law or even getting stuff like polio done are two examples.
 
Does "mera jism meri marzi" mean the same thing it does in the west? As in they want abortion to be allowed?

Abortion is already allowed in private clinics. And in public hospitals too it's not forbidden under some conditions. Someone correct me if I'm wrong
 
You live in one of the most liberal countries and yet badmouth them. Amazing. If it wasn’t for liberalism, Canada would not have opened their doors for you and the rest of Muslims and Pakistanis to come to their country, enjoy their freedoms and earn in dollars.

The reason that Canada, US, etc open door for immigrants is that the liberal there cant win without the minority vote. They block vote for the liberal parties. And they do that for the free stuff, not because they are liberals themselves.

And conservatives support immigration is because its a cheap labor resource, so they can reward their big business backers.

So its not out of the goodness of their heart.
 
They are the root of some issues. Try removing Draconian laws like blasphemy law and tomorrow every Mullah party will be on the streets making all sorts of threats.

You're right that they are not the cause of every issue. But there are massive issues which can be never solved because of them. Blasphemy law or even getting stuff like polio done are two examples.

who put the blasphemy law in place? who banned alcohol? who declared Ahmadis non Muslim?

It was not Mullahs. Though if the had power they would have done the same, and probably even worse. But the people who were responsible for creating these laws need to be blamed.
 
this is why people have been bashing the political govt of Punjab for not taking action against the CCPO.

Every Pakistani govt official has a report on him prepared by the IB when getting promotion, and the CCPO had a very bad track record when he got this position a week ago, his IB report was leaked.

People are angry with the political govt that how could a person still hold his position even after making such statement. Infact, some of our ministers found nothing wrong in the statement to warrant a removal.

This is why the matter has turned abit political and in the coming days either this will hush up or people will have to get out of their houses to march and get this CCPO to be removed by the Punjab Govt.

He should be sacked for statement. A women was raped, and multiple times he implied it was her own fault. He does not deserve that position anymore.

However as much as we may not like his statement, it was the truth. If you have a wife, sister, daughter, there is no way you should let them travel alone at night in Pakistan.

Again no justification for making that statement. And i hope he is sacked asap.
 
I agree most mullahs are illiterate and narrow minded, but I can't think of any religious party in Pakistan which would interpret Islam in such a way that it's okay to rape a woman in front of her kids by the roadside. Are you sure that is the case?

Read my last post again (#235), where did I say/imply that any of the religious parties condone such a heinous crime?

As mentioned several times in the thread, I've said they're part of the problem because of their misplaced priorities (such as blasphemy, finality of prophethood and etc).

Secondly, most of them do not know how to apply the principles of Islam. Recently on PP, we had relatively more educated Muslim posters trying to tell us how Erdogan's conversion of an ex-Church is permitted, when in fact it's unequivocally unislamic.

Finally, I would also refer to [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] 's earlier post (#120), where he explains the problems that lie with the approach of these Mullahs.
 
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Animals.

Castration is the only thing these people deserve and will be the only deterrent for other such animals.
 
Lahore motorway rape: 12 people taken into custody

Twelve men have been taken into custody over their suspected involvement in the rape of a woman on the Sialkot-Lahore motorway. The police have collected evidence from the site.

A woman was raped in front of her children by two unidentified men on the motorway early Wednesday. The men fled after the rape and stole her cash and jewellery worth Rs100,000.

She was driving to Gujranwala with her children when she ran out of fuel near Lahore’s Gujjarpura. The woman was sitting in her vehicle when two men walked towards her car, broke her window, and made her park on the roadside. They then took her and the children to a nearby forest and raped her.

The police said the woman’s initial medical examination confirmed that she had been raped. A case has been registered.

https://www.samaa.tv/news/2020/09/lahore-motorway-incident/
 
Read my last post again (#235), where did I say/imply that any of the religious parties condone such a heinous crime?

As mentioned several times in the thread, I've said they're part of the problem because of their misplaced priorities (such as blasphemy, finality of prophethood and etc).

Secondly, most of them do not know how to apply the principles of Islam. Recently on PP, we had relatively more educated Muslim posters trying to tell us how Erdogan's conversion of an ex-Church is permitted, when in fact it's unequivocally unislamic.

Finally, I would also refer to [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] 's earlier post (#120), where he explains the problems that lie with the approach of these Mullahs.

Correction, post #112
 
‘Govt needs to wake up’: CJP Gulzar deplores ‘politicised’ policing in country after gang-rape

Chief Justice of Pakistan Gulzar Ahmed on Friday expressed regret over the gang-rape of a woman on the motorway near Lahore, saying such incidents were reflective of a “politicised” police force that has failed to provide adequate protection to citizens’ lives and property.

The top judge’s strong criticism of the state of affairs of police and the government’s role in it came during his speech at the closing ceremony of a training workshop for District Commercial Court judges in Lahore.

Justice Ahmed in his address noted that “effective policing” was indispensable for the government to perform its prime function of maintaining law and order.

“However, what we see is that policing in the country has been politicised, the result of which is that the life and property of the people are not safe and even innocent travellers on the highway meet serious crime like the one we [had] two days back,” he said, according to a transcript of his speech.

The chief justice said it was “shameful” to note that neither any security system nor a safety mechanism had been placed on the motorway where the gang-rape occurred.

“The government needs to wake up and immediately restore the credibility of the police department by allowing its ranks to take initiative and decide the issues of the police department themselves,” he said. “No amount of any interference whatsoever [should be] made either by the government or by any political person in the police force.”

He added that policing in the country “seems to be in the hands of unprofessional and inept persons, which [has] seriously eroded the law and order situation of the country”.

Justice Ahmed said “recent developments” in the Punjab Police were a sign of “deteriorating policing system and [the] level of political interference in the police department”.

“No police force can function as a disciplined, professional force which guarantees to the people safety of life and property until it is de-shackled from politics and allowed to run as a thoroughly disciplined and professional force responsible for its own conduct,” the chief justice stressed.

His remarks come days after the gang-rape caused countrywide outrage and raised questions over the lack of security on the Lahore-Sialkot Motorway, which has been unmanned since it became operational nearly six months ago.

According to the details available so far, a woman in her early 30s, a resident of Lahore’s Defence Housing Society, was stuck on the motorway with her two children at around 1am after her car ran out of fuel. As she tried to arrange for help, two men approached her and took her and her children (under eight) into the nearby fields at gunpoint.

Once in the field, the attackers raped the woman in front of her children. By the time a police party and a relative the woman had called arrived at the scene, the attackers had fled, taking with them the cash and valuables the victim was carrying with her.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579123
 
Which party is standing up to military and mullahs???



Which party supported him when there was pressure by mullah to remove Atif Mian????

In fact some liberal parties had members who endorsed the removal.

Very good question and it's exactly why Pakistanis need to leave PTI, PPP and PML-N in the dumps.

AWP is what Pakistan needs.
 
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Very good question and it's exactly why Pakistanis need to leave PTI, PPP and PML-N in the dumps.

AWP is what Pakistan needs.

Yes only way to replace two evils is by bringing one big evil a "socialist party" :inti
 
Very good question and it's exactly why Pakistanis need to leave PTI, PPP and PML-N in the dumps.

AWP is the future.

Its easy to stand up to Army and Mullahs when you have zero seats. They dont care about an irrelevant party being against them. In the extremely unlikely event AWP comes into power, then and only then can we see if they stand up to Army and Mullahs.

However a more realistic approach for liberals is to back one of the established parties, and push that party to take a more liberal stand. Its important to have realistic expectations though.
 
Police caught the first culprit .....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unfortunately incorrect. But police is working hard on it. <a href="https://t.co/Yf6Wvrcd93">https://t.co/Yf6Wvrcd93</a></p>— Dr. Shahbaz GiLL (@SHABAZGIL) <a href="https://twitter.com/SHABAZGIL/status/1304511861149368320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 11, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
who put the blasphemy law in place? who banned alcohol? who declared Ahmadis non Muslim?

It was not Mullahs. Though if the had power they would have done the same, and probably even worse. But the people who were responsible for creating these laws need to be blamed.

???? Blasphemy laws were put in the place by Zia, who is as Mullah as they come with the full backing of the Mullah brigade back in the day to Islamalise the nation. His lack of beard didn't make him a liberal. Every single repressive nonsense can be traced to him.

Even if I am wrong, which I am not, but lets say I am.....those people are long dead and in the ground. Those laws need to be repealed, the people who are stopping those laws being repealed are not liberals.

They are absolutely being stopped being repealed by the Mullahs. They are not the root causes of all issues but they absolutely are for some of them. For someone who proclaims to want a secular Pakistan you don't spend half your time defending the other side.
 
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???? Blasphemy laws were put in the place by Zia, who is as Mullah as they come with the full backing of the Mullah brigade back in the day to Islamalise the nation. His lack of beard didn't make him a liberal. Every single repressive nonsense can be traced to him.

Even if I am wrong, which I am not, but lets say I am.....those people are long dead and in the ground. Those laws need to be repealed, the people who are stopping those laws being repealed are not liberals.

They are absolutely being stopped being repealed by the Mullahs. They are not the root causes of all issues but they absolutely are for some of them. For someone who proclaims to want a secular Pakistan you don't spend half your time defending the other side.

i do, however i have realistic expectations. Lets put liberalism on a scale of 1 - 10 , with 1 being Saudi Arabia and 10 being Sweden, I would put Pakistan at a 3 right now. Its not realistic to go to a 10. However if liberals like Mullahs use their voting power, you can definitely take Pakistan to a 4 and then try to go to a 5, etc.

Liberals should back one of the mainstream parties, and make it clear to whatever party they are backing, that they will lose votes if they dont take Pakistan in a more liberal direction. Politicians dont care about liberal or mullah, they just want to win the election.
 
i do, however i have realistic expectations. Lets put liberalism on a scale of 1 - 10 , with 1 being Saudi Arabia and 10 being Sweden, I would put Pakistan at a 3 right now. Its not realistic to go to a 10. However if liberals like Mullahs use their voting power, you can definitely take Pakistan to a 4 and then try to go to a 5, etc.

Liberals should back one of the mainstream parties, and make it clear to whatever party they are backing, that they will lose votes if they dont take Pakistan in a more liberal direction. Politicians dont care about liberal or mullah, they just want to win the election.

If we have to band together and cry 'be liberal' to simply get a sh1t thing like blasphemy repealed then it shows the moral decay in our nation.

Even sadder thing is there no party for people like me. I only support PTI because of Imran Khan, that's it.
 
Does the Pakistani police have modern forensic technology and processes like they show on CSI?

Had this happened in Canada and the US, the police would have processed the crime scene for DNA and other evidence and the suspects would have been found and punished.

In addition to Biometrics, Pakistani Cnic applicants should also be ordered to provide their DNA as well
 
If we have to band together and cry 'be liberal' to simply get a sh1t thing like blasphemy repealed then it shows the moral decay in our nation.

Even sadder thing is there no party for people like me. I only support PTI because of Imran Khan, that's it.

Yes, if you accept that Pakistan hit rock bottom in every aspect, then your expectations will be more realistic. On a positive note, the only place to go is up. It cant get any worse.
 
Does the Pakistani police have modern forensic technology and processes like they show on CSI?

Had this happened in Canada and the US, the police would have processed the crime scene for DNA and other evidence and the suspects would have been found and punished.

In addition to Biometrics, Pakistani Cnic applicants should also be ordered to provide their DNA as well

Lahore does as far as I know. So does Islamabad I assume, as we had a very bad incident resolved within a week by CID very quickly.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A helpless mother of two raped while trying to attend to her broken car on the motorway yesterday. How are such vile and inhuman beings allowed to roam freely in our country. We must stand up to these sick acts and punish such beings in the strictest way possible <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lahoremotorway?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lahoremotorway</a></p>— Shan Masood (@shani_official) <a href="https://twitter.com/shani_official/status/1303982801377726464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Chief Minister Sardar Usman Buzdar has stated that motorway rape case will be solved soon. The Punjab government stands with the affected woman and her family and all sympathies are with them, he said.

The chief minister said criminals involved in this gruesome act do not deserve any leniency. He assured that all requirements of justice will be fulfilled and the government will go to the last extent to provide justice to the affected woman. Punjab police have already brought different criminals, involved in such tragic incidents, to the net of the law and this case will also be traced and the criminals will not escape from the grip of the law, he added.

Chief Minister Buzdar also sought a report from RPO DG Khan about an alleged incident of woman’s molestation in Taunsa and directed to arrest the criminals early. He has also assured the affected family that justice will be done at every cost.

Ghulam Bibi Bharwana MNA and Provincial Minister Ansar Majeed Niazi called on Chief Minister Punjab Sardar Usman Buzdar and discussed matters of mutual interest.

Talking on the occasion, the CM maintained that those trying to create chaos and anarchy are not loyal to the nation. The critics have always been disappointed and those engaged in the politics of anarchy will never be successful, he said. These elements are enemies to the provincial development while the nation has full confidence over the leadership of Prime Minister Imran Khan. The government burnt the midnight oil to solve public problems, he said.

CEO of the Lahore Qalandars Rana Atif called on Chief Minister Punjab Sardar Usman Buzdar and discussed matters about promotion of different sports activities including the play of cricket.

The CM observed that Lahore Qalandars has taken exemplary steps for the promotion of cricket and added that he fully supports the talent hunt programme of Lahore Qalandars. The youth of south Punjab will be provided sports facilities as the southern part of the province has tremendous talent and private promoters will also be encouraged. There is a need to devolve talent hunt programme at the grassroots, the CM further said.

Rana Atif apprised the CM about the details of talent hunt programme.

Chief Minister Punjab Sardar Usman Buzdar has said that founder of Pakistan Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah was a man of principles, courageous statesman and a fair-minded personality.

In his message, the CM stated the establishment of a just society based on the golden principles of justice, tolerance and brotherhood was the mission of the Quaid-e-Azam. The PTI-led government is striving to materialise this dream of the founding father and Prime Minister Imran Khan is working hard in this regard. PM Imran Khan is striving to make Pakistan equally propitious for one and all, he said. He asserted the dream of a welfare state of Pakistan, envisioned by the Quaid-e-Azam, will be materialized under the leadership of Prime Minister Imran Khan to provide socio-economic justice to all the citizens. We will have to follow the golden principles of unity, faith and discipline to move Pakistan forward and Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah had also guided the nation to follow these principles, he added. Pakistan can get rid of all the crises by following the sayings of the Quaid-e-Azam. We will have to utilize all our energies to make Pakistan great and strong. The best way to pay tributes to Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah is to promote national unity by setting aside all our temporal interests, the CM concluded.

https://dailytimes.com.pk/665535/motorway-rape-case-culprits-will-be-apprehended-soon-buzdar/
 
If we have to band together and cry 'be liberal' to simply get a sh1t thing like blasphemy repealed then it shows the moral decay in our nation.

Even sadder thing is there no party for people like me. I only support PTI because of Imran Khan, that's it.

This could be an interesting discussion that who should a liberal vote in pakistan as there are lack of options for them
 
The reason that Canada, US, etc open door for immigrants is that the liberal there cant win without the minority vote. They block vote for the liberal parties. And they do that for the free stuff, not because they are liberals themselves.

And conservatives support immigration is because its a cheap labor resource, so they can reward their big business backers.

So its not out of the goodness of their heart.

What a laughable post!
 
What a laughable post!

Its the reality. Many conservatives in the US at least are waking up regarding this.

This is what Ann coulter stated

“There’s no question but that Obama would have been a one-term president but for Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act. Mitt Romney got a larger percentage of the white vote than Ronald Reagan did in 1980. But the country has changed so dramatically and so intentionally and artificially by government policy, that Democrats have an enormous leg up now. And if things aren’t done, you can say ‘adios’ to whatever your pet issue is, whether it is abortion or the budget or taxes or guns. Get ready to lose, because Democrats decided, ‘Sorry, America, we tried this the easy way. We tried to get you to vote for us, but you wouldn’t, so we brought in ringers. And they’re gonna be voting, tens and tens of millions of them.’”

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...tion-that-s-the-problem-it-s-all-immigration/

Tucker Carlson explains it as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUU2iWxrH2M
 
Its the reality. Many conservatives in the US at least are waking up regarding this.

This is what Ann coulter stated

“There’s no question but that Obama would have been a one-term president but for Teddy Kennedy’s 1965 immigration act. Mitt Romney got a larger percentage of the white vote than Ronald Reagan did in 1980. But the country has changed so dramatically and so intentionally and artificially by government policy, that Democrats have an enormous leg up now. And if things aren’t done, you can say ‘adios’ to whatever your pet issue is, whether it is abortion or the budget or taxes or guns. Get ready to lose, because Democrats decided, ‘Sorry, America, we tried this the easy way. We tried to get you to vote for us, but you wouldn’t, so we brought in ringers. And they’re gonna be voting, tens and tens of millions of them.’”

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...tion-that-s-the-problem-it-s-all-immigration/

Tucker Carlson explains it as well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUU2iWxrH2M

It has no significant effect on the electoral result in most liberal countries. Pakistanis are not doing Canada and other countries by going there. It is the other way round. Learn to br grateful.
 
It has no significant effect on the electoral result in most liberal countries. Pakistanis are not doing Canada and other countries by going there. It is the other way round. Learn to br grateful.

I agree Pakistanis are not doing Canada, and other western countries a favor by going there. They are going for a far better lifestyle than they could get in Pakistan.

But its reality that minorities vote for liberals. In US 40% of population is now minority. In Canada its like 30%.

Its a quid pro quo. How many Pakistanis actually support abortion, gay marriage, transgender bathrooms?
Not that many. However almost the majority vote for parties supporting those causes. So the liberals are also getting something.
 
LAHORE: Frustration among public was touching a new high as investigators failed to report any breakthrough almost 72 hours after the gang-rape of a woman on the motorway near here.

There were red herrings galore on Friday and no solid leads were found. The biggest disappointment came when news run by some television channels that two men had been picked up after the ATM card of the 32-year-old victim of the gang-rape had been used at a bank, turned out to be false.

The card had been taken away along with other valuables and cash after the woman, a French national, had been attacked on the outskirts of Lahore in the early hours of Wednesday, Sept 9, after her car ran out of fuel. A couple of armed men allegedly beat up her and her two children travelling with her. The attackers then took them into the adjacent fields where they raped the woman.

Following the outrage of Thursday, the government on Friday did appear to be making an effort. However, unless the details of any leads found by several investigation agencies involved were kept concealed from the curious, on-the-edge Pakistanis, the official display betrayed little more than nervous energy.

A host of investigators pooled in their expertise in pursuit of two violent suspects who might have left their finger prints and DNA behind as they went about smashing windows of the car while forcibly taking the rape victim and her children away. Information emerging from the investigation teams and transmitted quickly to eager news consumers said many of the nearby villages had been combed – without any success to talk about.

There was also a mention of the nomads who happened to have set up their tents not too far from the crime spot. It was not ruled out that the perpetrators may be men not settled on a particular location, the kind that do not necessarily feel the need to have the ID cards.

There was much hairsplitting generally unimpeded by intervention by good sense. For example, threads were run on social media describing the trauma the victim and her family were going through. Those coming up with this public show of sympathy refusing to realise how much more misery they were piling with their act on those whose plight they were seeking to highlight — there were rare bits of positives in the discussions as well, apart from the general solidarity for the victims of the tragic incident. It was pointed out that the investigators had much else to look for other than focusing on whether the suspects were likely to have identity cards or not.

The government on its part was caught in fighting many battles apart from dealing strictly with the horrifying gang-rape case in what is considered to be one of the better governed and safer parts of the country away from the ‘remote’ areas. The protesters in Lahore maintained that they had a better sense of security until a few days earlier, when the new Capital Chief Police Officer Umar Sheikh was about to take charge.

Mr Sheikh had been involved in a departmental controversy immediately after taking over his new job a couple of weeks ago, which culminated in the departure of the Inspector General of Punjab. On Thursday he took his candidness too far and ended up with remarks which were condemned by many as blaming the victim, while he should have been promising action against the culprits and reassuring the public about security.

On Friday, there was a steady queue of the government spokespersons who defended the Lahore CCPO against the relentless calls for his removal from the post over his statement about the gang-rape which he had later tried to justify with what commentators insisted would rank as a blanket indictment of society.

The costs of the CCPO’s gaffe were ultimately passed on to Chief Minister Usman Buzdar’s government which has been under pressure right from its inception for one reason or another. Some damage control exercise was necessary after the Buzdar detractors even in the government camp intensified their attacks on the embattled chief minister and this was the context in which the visit by Special Assistant to the Prime Minister Shahzad Akbar to Lahore on Friday was seen.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1579174/motorway-gang-rape-case-still-shrouded-in-darkness
 
Inspector General of Punjab Police Inam Ghani on Saturday dismissed reports that a suspect in the Lahore motorway rape case had been arrested, terming them as incorrect.

“News on the arrest of a suspect on TV channels and social media are incorrect,” said IGP Ghani, adding that he would share any 'success' in the case with media as he was monitoring the investigation himself.

“Such unconfirmed news affects the case and is also misleading for the public,” said Punjab's top cop. He also said that pictures of the woman and the suspect of the case being shared on social media were fake.

The police officer urged media not to run reports before confirming them and urged people to have trust in the police.

“We will soon arrest the accused and bring them to justice,” vowed IGP Ghani.

Robbers gang-rape woman on motorway
On Tuesday night, it was reported that two robbers had gang-raped a mother of two on the motorway within Gujjarpura police's jurisdiction.

The woman, along with her children, was driving to Gujranwala in her car had to stop at the Gujjarpura section of the motorway after running out of fuel, at around 1:30am. She immediately called a relative and sent him her location. He asked her to also dial the Motorway Police helpline 130 from which she reportedly received no response.

In the meantime, two robbers approached the car, broke the window, and took the woman and her children to nearby bushes where they raped her repeatedly in front of the children. They also snatched her purse carrying Rs100,000 in cash, one bracelet, car registration papers, and three ATM cards.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/307515-no-suspect-arrested-yet-in-lahore-motorway-rape-case-ig-punjab
 
LAHORE: The Chief Justice of Pakistan Justice Gulzar Ahmed Friday blamed the "rampant" political interference in policing for the Lahore Sialkot Motorway gang-rape case.

A woman was allegedly robbed and raped in front of her children after getting stranded on the Lahore-Sialkot motorway late Wednesday when her car ran out of fuel.

The police response was delayed over jurisdiction issues which allowed the criminals to commit the alleged crime and flee.

"Maintaining peace and security is the responsibility of the government, and a transparent system in the police force is of paramount importance," he said, while addressing a ceremony.

Read: 'Motorway Police is not deployed where Gujjarpura rape incident took place'

The CJP said that political interference in the police system was "rampant" and the people were suffering as a result of it.

"Innocent commuters are subjected to serious crimes on the highways," he said, adding that the latest case was also a result of such political meddling.

The top judge said that the absence of an effective system on the highway to provide security to the masses was "shameful".

The government should overcome its shortcomings and restore the reputation of the police force, he said.

"The government should stop the interference of politicians in police departments as the force can not operate without discipline," the chief justice said.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/307445-cjp-blames-rampant-politicisng-in-police-for-lahore-motorway-case
 
I agree Pakistanis are not doing Canada, and other western countries a favor by going there. They are going for a far better lifestyle than they could get in Pakistan.

But its reality that minorities vote for liberals. In US 40% of population is now minority. In Canada its like 30%.

Its a quid pro quo. How many Pakistanis actually support abortion, gay marriage, transgender bathrooms?
Not that many. However almost the majority vote for parties supporting those causes. So the liberals are also getting something.

Even if the liberals are getting anything, it is minuscule to what benefits Pakistanis are getting in the West. We all should be grateful to the West for letting us in.
 
Funny how a rape incident is being used by all and sundry to attack Islam, Muslims, IK, Asad Umar and entire PTI.



Our liberals are running out of bangles to break :)))

Hmm,

below is the link of the zainab rape case
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ainab-executed-in-Lahore-jail-Update-Post-379

let me qoute your post from the thred

The freaking Punjab police is opening fire on the protesters. Still we have people supporting these Nooras :facepalm:


Ya Allah Pakistan ko Pakistaniyon se bacha

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] aoo idhar defend karo apnay pyaray Nooraon ko.... lao likho lambay lambay paragraph.... dekhao ke sari establishment ki sazish hai...

Then that son of a b.... has the gall to say "children's safety is parents responsibility"


Rana Sanaullah needs to be put in front of a firing squad.

Haram ka khanay walay insaan nahi hotay

Nawaz Sharif fired his entire security establishment at Raiwind because a cat killed his peacock... unfortunately the life of little Zainab is worth less than a peacock. But as per jahil Nooras this is all establishment sazish.

And this was just the first page.
 
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