MS Dhoni's 113 against Pakistan in 2012

[Acricketfan]

I feel this is one of the greatest, yet one of the most underrated innings in the history of ODIs. Junaid Khan might have turned into a trundler now, but in THAT series he looked like a left handed Ambrose. On an early morning start , with overcast conditions, conditions were absolutely perfect for swing bowling. And were struggling big time with the score at 29-5 and were in danger of getting all out for below 50. Then MSD played an absolute blinder and gave India something to defend.

Here is the <a href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/589308.html'>http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/589308.html</a> of that match.

Thoughts?
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[marlonbrowndo]

Yes was an absolutely great innings. One of the best back to the wall ODI innings.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It was an odi equivalent of kamran akmal's inning in that karachi test match. On both occasions india lost the match.

 

[Ankit007]

One of the best innings under pressure. Kapil Dev's 175 against Zim is the only knock I remember by any Indian other than this under such pressure. Batting with Ash, he kept most of the strike. Ball was doing a lot. From 29/5 to 227. He finished the game and stayed not out. Thats why he is called one of the best finishers of all time. #Legend

 

[Mannara chopra]

although I hate dhoni but this innings of him will go down as one of the best innings

 

[Ankit007]

It was an odi equivalent of kamran akmal's inning in that karachi test match. On both occasions india lost the match.

At least he gave something to fight for us and saved us from humiliating defeat. 29/5, any team can slump to 60 all out.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Mind boggling innings that was.

No question about that.

 

[PCP_1]

Great way to get us to talk about Dhoni during our own Supa League. Just wait till SL get owned.

 

[#GreenRoars]

It was epic, no question.

 

[Hawkeye]

The Aanay Do knock?

It was certainly a heroic effort. Dhoni is extremely hard to get out in ODIs, specially in SC.

The swing had died down by then.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

At least he gave something to fight for us and saved us from humiliating defeat. 29/5, any team can slump to 60 all out.

Yes. That was one of his best inning in odi's. Had we won that match then lots of people would have remembered it.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He weathered the crazy swing...then built the innings in the middle and then closed out the innings with his death hitting.

Pretty much did everything (and that too against a rampaging Junaid and pre-ban Ajmal and Hafeez).

By the time he was smashing bowlers at the death, I was too stunned to say anything.

GOAT knock without a doubt.

Happened in namma Chennai too.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Great way to get us to talk about Dhoni during our own Supa League. Just wait till SL get owned.

Haha. There are 20,000 PSL threads currently.

Give us Indians one thread here in PP.

 

[Acricketfan]

The Aanay Do knock?

It was certainly a heroic effort. Dhoni is extremely hard to get out in ODIs, specially in SC.

The swing had died down by then.

No it hadn't.

 

[Acricketfan]

although I hate dhoni but this innings of him will go down as one of the best innings

Why do you hate him if don't mind me asking ?

 

[bilalmasaud]

He weathered the crazy swing...then built the innings in the middle and then closed out the innings with his death hitting.

Pretty much did everything (and that too against a rampaging Junaid and pre-ban Ajmal and Hafeez).

By the time he was smashing bowlers at the death, I was too stunned to say anything.

GOAT knock without a doubt.

Happened in namma Chennai too.

although it was a great innings but there wasn't much crazy swing left he walked in at the end of the 10th over the sing had died down

 

[aniket1911]

Was actually amazed by looking at the sheer quality of that inning.
When he was on 102 something i wondered whether any other batsman could have done that ?
Saving from collapse and possible humiliation at hands of their arch rivals, tackling some very tricky bowlers, shielding the other batsman and still keep ticking the score board, add some age ol'power hitting at the end and had the match been won by India, it would have gone down as the greatest knock of the decade.

Even AB, KOHLI(in first innings) can not do such stuff.
He is rated as a GOAT odi player for a reason and rightly so.

 

[FreakCricket]

It was an odi equivalent of kamran akmal's inning in that karachi test match. On both occasions india lost the match.

i still remember the inning dhoni played, it wasnt a match winning inning just a face saving century to put on a decent target with ashwin. dhoni played too many dot deliveries in that match

 

[aniket1911]

although it was a great innings but there wasn't much crazy swing left he walked in at the end of the 10th over the sing had died down

Even if the ball wasn't swinging crazily then also doesn't take away much from his inning.
When you walk in at 29/5, it have it's own challenges. Ball was still swinging although not as much as it was in first few overs but that's expected.

He rebuilt the innings, paced the innings and finished it.

That's like doing a misbah + doing a dhoni together.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not a match winning innings?

Face saving?

lol

If 2 decisions were given by the umpire, it was a match winning century.

You can check cricinfo commentary.

Ashwin to Jamshed - Bat, pad and slips
Ashwin to Younis - lbw

Not complaining about the decisions. DRS and all.

It happens. Pakistan anyway looked the better team that day.

But the century was as good a match winning innings as any.

Centurions Jamshed and Dhoni both stayed till the end. Jamshed SR was 76 (Pakistan won in 48th over) and Dhoni was 90 SR.

Having to bat with Ashwin in death can be hard.

 

[Ab Fan]

It was a great back to wall knock..Absolutely no doubt. He can play such knocks on a smaller scale even now...92 vs SA last year was one example.There has never been any question on his temprament.

The only reasonable argument against him is that he has failed to bat as aggressively as a lower order batsmen should in the latter half of his career.He mostly has 3-4 quickfire 40-50+ knocks in the last four years or so.

 

[BigBoy123]

Would have been hugely embarrassing for India to get rolled for 60 at-home vs Pakistan of not for that Inning's... BTW JK ISN'T A Trundler , he consistently bowls 135% can seam the ball and can fire in the Yorkers... Trundler is someone who bowls under 130 ..bhuvneshwar and Anwar Ali being the prime examples

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[IAJ]

Amazing knock. He was the lone warrior in that series. My favourite player from India.

 

[Mannara chopra]

Why do you hate him if don't mind me asking ?

Bro their ate many reasons we Indians hate dhoni but in my point of view I hate him because of his love towards trundlers and hate towards umesh shami and aaron

 

[Sandeep]

Great innings. Junaid Khan was unplayable in that series... poor guy regressed from then. Dhoni actually gave India a chance of winning but 220ish was too tough for Indian bowlers to defend. Better bowlers could have defended that total in those conditions..

 

[Ab Fan]

Bro their ate many reasons we Indians hate dhoni but in my point of view I hate him because of his love towards trundlers and hate towards umesh shami and aaron

Even considering all that, I believe there are more reasons to love Dhoni than to hate him.He was always known for his unique and unpredictable tactics but those did wonders to the team.

The only fair reason for the hatred I could see is that he has passed his date but hasn't yet quit from international cricket. He has played some rubbish knocks in recent times and can't really afford to do it anymore.

Anyways,I think down the lines he will be respected a lot for his contributions and achievements.

 

[waleed88]

Not a match winning innings?

Face saving?

lol

If 2 decisions were given by the umpire, it was a match winning century.

You can check cricinfo commentary.

Ashwin to Jamshed - Bat, pad and slips
Ashwin to Younis - lbw

Not complaining about the decisions. DRS and all.

It happens. Pakistan anyway looked the better team that day.

But the century was as good a match winning innings as any.

Centurions Jamshed and Dhoni both stayed till the end. Jamshed SR was 76 (Pakistan won in 48th over) and Dhoni was 90 SR.

Having to bat with Ashwin in death can be hard.

Well the 2nd ODI had 2 decisions going in India's favor.. it was all balanced.. yet you still lost the 2nd game too

 

[Ankit007]

Bro their ate many reasons we Indians hate dhoni but in my point of view I hate him because of his love towards trundlers and hate towards umesh shami and aaron

Shami??? No its not like that. He is in the team since his debut. Got out only due to injury.

And Umesh and Aaron are given enough chances to prove their mettle but couldnt do so till now. Umesh plays well in 1/10 matches and that too is not match winning.

If any bowler is not performing, will you take him just because he is fast?? I dont think so.

Ishant bowls at decent pace. Bumrah bowls at decent pace. If these two come good, you will see them for long time. Any captain will love to have bowlers who can bowl at good lines and lengths rather than a pacy spray bowler.

 

[hefaith]

I remember misbah dropped him when he was on 16 odd runs

 

[SunTzu]

Shami??? No its not like that. He is in the team since his debut. Got out only due to injury.

And Umesh and Aaron are given enough chances to prove their mettle but couldnt do so till now. Umesh plays well in 1/10 matches and that too is not match winning.

If any bowler is not performing, will you take him just because he is fast?? I dont think so.

Ishant bowls at decent pace. Bumrah bowls at decent pace. If these two come good, you will see them for long time. Any captain will love to have bowlers who can bowl at good lines and lengths rather than a pacy spray bowler.

In tests Umesh bowled a very impressive spell against SA. If Dhoni was captain it would have been Mohit Sharma bowling gentle 120k balls and the Saffers would have blocked those all day long. Dhoni doesn't back wicket taking bowlers, but will be quick to blame them at every press conference. Can't be good the bowlers confidence.

Even in the recent AUS odi series he blamed the bowlers, when the batsmen should have scored more. As captain he is pretty average now. He has left behind a fantastic legacy, but all he is doing now is tarnishing it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not a match winning innings?

Face saving?

lol

If 2 decisions were given by the umpire, it was a match winning century.

You can check cricinfo commentary.

Ashwin to Jamshed - Bat, pad and slips
Ashwin to Younis - lbw

Not complaining about the decisions. DRS and all.

It happens. Pakistan anyway looked the better team that day.

But the century was as good a match winning innings as any.

Centurions Jamshed and Dhoni both stayed till the end. Jamshed SR was 76 (Pakistan won in 48th over) and Dhoni was 90 SR.

Having to bat with Ashwin in death can be hard.

Drop catch of Jamshed.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Definitely one of his best ODI innings ever.

 

[Suleiman]

Yeah as soon as Misbah dropped him on 33, had a feeling he'd make us pay. Could've ended it sooner.

He even vomited in that innings under intense heat, good innings.

Actually he was the only indian batsman who looked good in the entire series.

 

[Belawal2014]

Not a match winning innings?

Face saving?

lol

If 2 decisions were given by the umpire, it was a match winning century.

You can check cricinfo commentary.

Ashwin to Jamshed - Bat, pad and slips
Ashwin to Younis - lbw

Not complaining about the decisions. DRS and all.

It happens. Pakistan anyway looked the better team that day.

But the century was as good a match winning innings as any.

Centurions Jamshed and Dhoni both stayed till the end. Jamshed SR was 76 (Pakistan won in 48th over) and Dhoni was 90 SR.

Having to bat with Ashwin in death can be hard.

By definition? No, it wasn't a 'match winning' innings, unless you're considering a moral victory. It was however, one heck of an innings from one my all time favorite players.

 

[_Salman_]

That was a very good ODI series to watch.

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[Ankit007]

In tests Umesh bowled a very impressive spell against SA. If Dhoni was captain it would have been Mohit Sharma bowling gentle 120k balls and the Saffers would have blocked those all day long. Dhoni doesn't back wicket taking bowlers, but will be quick to blame them at every press conference. Can't be good the bowlers confidence.

Even in the recent AUS odi series he blamed the bowlers, when the batsmen should have scored more. As captain he is pretty average now. He has left behind a fantastic legacy, but all he is doing now is tarnishing it.

Batsmen did everything they could. Dhoni even asked them to do more.
Umesh was playing in the last match Dhoni played.
He always has backed him but no results led to his downfall. Dhoni said to Ishant " you bowl there and its up to me if it goes for a boundary" What else one needs from a captain.
Dhoni also asked Vidarbha (domestic team of Umesh) to not overbowl Umesh so that he can stay fit for International competition. In the end if you dont perform, till when a captain will back you. Yadav is just another Shaun Tait. Comes good ones in a blue moon.
Dhoni is a captain of India, Why will he choose bowlers of no use? Dont he want to win?

He has asked for bowlers who can bowl at good speeds and good lines as well. But unfortunately, there were none at his service.

For me Dhoni made best use of resources till the time he was there. And I have no issue in calling him the best captain/keeper/tactician/batsman combo ever to have played for India and arguably world too.

 

[Varun]

Yep, top innings.

YouTube had a great recording of this a few years ago, as well as that of Junaid's 5-wicket haul. Unfortunately, they've been pulled down now but not before I downloaded them.

Dhoni walked in at 29/5 and basically took us past 220 nearly single-handedly, with a little support from Raina and then Ashwin. In the end Pakistan could only take six wickets in all. Note that it was played in the searing heat of Chennai (doesn't matter if it was December), so extra brownie points for that - he was clearly cramping and dehydrated toward the end, but still came back to keep wickets and skipper during the 2nd innings.

The icing on the cake was when B Kumar bowled Hafeez off of the very first ball of the chase (this was also his first ball in his ODI career), but as we know Jamshed tonned up and saw Pakistan through.

Overall it was a match of very high quality. Congratulations to Dhoni and to Pakistan, who built upon that win and took the series in the next game at Eden Gardens.

 

[SunTzu]

Batsmen did everything they could. Dhoni even asked them to do more.
Umesh was playing in the last match Dhoni played.
He always has backed him but no results led to his downfall. Dhoni said to Ishant " you bowl there and its up to me if it goes for a boundary" What else one needs from a captain.
Dhoni also asked Vidarbha (domestic team of Umesh) to not overbowl Umesh so that he can stay fit for International competition. In the end if you dont perform, till when a captain will back you. Yadav is just another Shaun Tait. Comes good ones in a blue moon.
Dhoni is a captain of India, Why will he choose bowlers of no use? Dont he want to win?

He has asked for bowlers who can bowl at good speeds and good lines as well. But unfortunately, there were none at his service.

For me Dhoni made best use of resources till the time he was there. And I have no issue in calling him the best captain/keeper/tactician/batsman combo ever to have played for India and arguably world too.

Then why has best captain/keeper/tactician/batsman combo not won a single ODI series since the start of last year? The best will need to lead by example and I'm sorry he hasn't don't anything in the recent past to warrant that statement.

 

[msb314]

Sad to see Dhoni's decline - still a better finisher than most in our team...

 

[Ankit007]

Then why has best captain/keeper/tactician/batsman combo not won a single ODI series since the start of last year? The best will need to lead by example and I'm sorry he hasn't don't anything in the recent past to warrant that statement.

When did I say that he has had a very good last year, you are going off topic here bro.

And regarding winning series, he will come good if we back him. Everyone needs support in bad times.

 

[Suleiman]

I think in the last 6 years there are 3 outstanding innings by wicket keeper batsmen.

In order of quality:

1) Ms Dhoni 113 vs Pak
2) Sarfraz Ahmed 49 vs South Africa in the World Cup
3) Luke Ronchi 170 vs SL

Not much difference between 1 and 2.
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] what you think mate?

 

[Suleiman]

Drop catch of Jamshed.

There was a drop catch off Dhoni as well. Itni bhi saaf sutri innings nahi thi uski.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

By definition? No, it wasn't a 'match winning' innings, unless you're considering a moral victory. It was however, one heck of an innings from one my all time favorite players.

Match winning means quality innings that has the potential to win you that game but you lose for no fault of yours.

An innings that is not a stat boosting one at the team's expense.

When someone says an innings is not match winning, they don't mean it literally. Of course, its not a match winning innings cos India lost. What they mean to say is that its not a knock that is worthy of being called a match winning innings.

"Its not a match winning innings but just a face saving one" should give you an idea about what is being implied.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

I think in the last 6 years there are 3 outstanding innings by wicket keeper batsmen.

In order of quality:

1) Ms Dhoni 113 vs Pak
2) Sarfraz Ahmed 49 vs South Africa in the World Cup
3) Luke Ronchi 170 vs SL

Not much difference between 1 and 2.
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] what you think mate?

[MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION] Yar bass kar day can't believe you just compared Dhoni's 100 to Sarf's 48 runs

Sarf Scored against the bowling of Spinner that including ABD bowling to him of all people. Dhoni did the above against the likes of an Inform 145+ Irfan and Junaid coupled with Ajmal and Hafeez probably in their bowling primes


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[Suleiman]

[MENTION=136729]Suleiman[/MENTION] Yar bass kar day can't believe you just compared Dhoni's 100 to Sarf's 48 runs

Sarf Scored against the bowling of Spinner that including ABD bowling to him of all people. Dhoni did the above against the likes of an Inform 145+ Irfan and Junaid coupled with Ajmal and Hafeez probably in their bowling primes


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bro did you see his sweep shots in that innings? pitch was sparkling clean after all the sweeping he did by the time he got out.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Well the 2nd ODI had 2 decisions going in India's favor.. it was all balanced.. yet you still lost the 2nd game too

Maybe but not sure.

Anyways, the comment was made (as a response to someone) about Dhoni's innings being a fruitful one but it wasn't meant to be.

 

[Acricketfan]

I think in the last 6 years there are 3 outstanding innings by wicket keeper batsmen.

In order of quality:

1) Ms Dhoni 113 vs Pak
2) Sarfraz Ahmed 49 vs South Africa in the World Cup
3) Luke Ronchi 170 vs SL

Not much difference between 1 and 2.

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] what you think mate?

Sarfaraz Ahmed at 2nd?

 

[msb314]

I think in the last 6 years there are 3 outstanding innings by wicket keeper batsmen.

In order of quality:

1) Ms Dhoni 113 vs Pak
2) Sarfraz Ahmed 49 vs South Africa in the World Cup
3) Luke Ronchi 170 vs SL

Not much difference between 1 and 2.

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] what you think mate?

I also enjoyed Quinton De Kocks hundred in the last game vs England. A great pressure knock whilst chasing such a stiff total!

Also I would add Jos Buttler's 61 ball hundred against SL in 2014 and Buttler's 44 ball hundred vs Pakistan a few months ago!

 

[Passionate Observer]

By far the best ODI innings I've ever watched and one of the most underrated performance in the last few years, 9/10 teams would struggle to post a total in excess of 100 from 29-5 but Dhoni single handedly managed to take India to a respectable score from the position they were in with ball doing all sorts of things (Pakistan had the best bowling attack at that time), gallant effort under the circumstances. Don't forget that Pakistan nearly messed up the runchase at one occasion but got recovered. I've always maintained that Dhoni is the best ODI batsman India has ever produced and nothing is gonna change that, his remarkable performances in back against the wall situations puts him well ahead of any other Indian batsman.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

By far the best ODI innings I've ever watched and one of the most underrated performance in the last few years, 9/10 teams would struggle to post a total in excess of 100 from 29-5 but Dhoni single handedly managed to take India to a respectable score from the position they were in with ball doing all sorts of things (Pakistan had the best bowling attack at that time), gallant effort under the circumstances. Don't forget that Pakistan nearly messed up the runchase at one occasion but got recovered. I've always maintained that Dhoni is the best ODI batsman India has ever produced and nothing is gonna change that, his remarkable performances in back against the wall situations puts him well ahead of any other Indian batsman.

For me the first three names I'll put in any all time ODI XI are Akram, Dhoni and Bevan who are the three most greatest and clutch ODI performers the world has even seen.

I don't care what ABD, Amla, Kohli or Williamson has done or can do but for me Dhoni along with Akram and Bevan are GOAT ODI players without a shadow of a doubt


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[Passionate Observer]

For me the first three names I'll put in any all time ODI XI are Akram, Dhoni and Bevan who are the three most greatest and clutch ODI performers the world has even seen.

I don't care what ABD, Amla, Kohli or Williamson has done or can do but for me Dhoni along with Akram and Bevan are GOAT ODI players without a shadow of a doubt


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Perfectly said, the 3 names that you mentioned are by far the best ODI players in the history of the game.

On a side note, its actually pretty annoying to see so many Indians moaning about Dhoni's place in ODI/T20 side, yes he may have lost his touch and isn't the same power hitter that we used to see but he's still good enough to merit his selection in the side and his captaincy skills alone in LOIs can grant him a spot in the side. His rotation of bowlers, field placings and defending small totals on subcontinental tracks is unparalleled. I'm terrified at the prospect of Kohli leading the side in all formats, no question about his immense talent and ability but its his pathetic OTT aggressive attitude and arrogant personality that'll create problems for India. Dhoni has been the most calm, level headed and cool minded captain India ever had, never seen him getting involved in any controversy on/off field and his character is something to aspire to as a professional athlete perfectly encapsulating the sportsman spirit, it'll be extremely difficult for India to transition from him.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Perfectly said, the 3 names that you mentioned are by far the best ODI players in the history of the game.

On a side note, its actually pretty annoying to see so many Indians moaning about Dhoni's place in ODI/T20 side, yes he may have lost his touch and isn't the same power hitter that we used to see but he's still good enough to merit his selection in the side and his captaincy skills alone in LOIs can grant him a spot in the side. His rotation of bowlers, field placings and defending small totals on subcontinental tracks is unparalleled. I'm terrified at the prospect of Kohli leading the side in all formats, no question about his immense talent and ability but its his pathetic OTT aggressive attitude and arrogant personality that'll create problems for India. Dhoni has been the most calm, level headed and cool minded captain India ever had, never seen him getting involved in any controversy on/off field and his character is something to aspire to as a professional athlete perfectly encapsulating the sportsman spirit, it'll be extremely difficult for India to transition from him.

Basically this ^^^^^ you don't win a WT20, World Cup and a Champions Trophy without having decent Captaincy skills


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[Acricketfan]

For me the first three names I'll put in any all time ODI XI are Akram, Dhoni and Bevan who are the three most greatest and clutch ODI performers the world has even seen.

I don't care what ABD, Amla, Kohli or Williamson has done or can do but for me Dhoni along with Akram and Bevan are GOAT ODI players without a shadow of a doubt


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No King Viv ?

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

No King Viv ?

King Viv makes it into the ODI XI but not in the first 3 names. He is essentially the 4th pick after these three


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[Acricketfan]

Perfectly said, the 3 names that you mentioned are by far the best ODI players in the history of the game.

On a side note, its actually pretty annoying to see so many Indians moaning about Dhoni's place in ODI/T20 side, yes he may have lost his touch and isn't the same power hitter that we used to see but he's still good enough to merit his selection in the side and his captaincy skills alone in LOIs can grant him a spot in the side. His rotation of bowlers, field placings and defending small totals on subcontinental tracks is unparalleled. I'm terrified at the prospect of Kohli leading the side in all formats, no question about his immense talent and ability but its his pathetic OTT aggressive attitude and arrogant personality that'll create problems for India. Dhoni has been the most calm, level headed and cool minded captain India ever had, never seen him getting involved in any controversy on/off field and his character is something to aspire to as a professional athlete perfectly encapsulating the sportsman spirit, it'll be extremely difficult for India to transition from him.

I respectfully disagree.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Dhoni appreciation thread starting to derail.

lol...

Dhoni has to go. He has been woeful in T20 internationals anyways.

All the players of the previous era had to be kicked out (which still hasn't happened).

Sachin, Sehwag, Gambo, Bhajji, Yuvi and now Dhoni.

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And King Viv is the greatest ODI cricketer ever.

 

[Passionate Observer]

Basically this ^^^^^ you don't win a WT20, World Cup and a Champions Trophy without having decent Captaincy skills


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You can't expect to win major tourneys with an impulsive head like Kohli at the helm making a fool out of himself by constant gesturing and verbal spats on field, you need someone like Dhoni to weather the storm and guide the ship with a calm sensible head.

 

[Acricketfan]

King Viv makes it into the ODI XI but not in the first 3 names. He is essentially the 4th pick after these three


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Possibly the greatest ODI batsman in history is the 4th pick in an ODI team ?

 

[Sachin136]

Dhoni appreciation thread starting to derail.

lol...

Dhoni has to go. He has been woeful in T20 internationals anyways.

All the players of the previous era had to be kicked out (which still hasn't happened).

Sachin, Sehwag, Gambo, Bhajji, Yuvi and now Dhoni.

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And King Viv is the greatest ODI cricketer ever.

It is all about opinion. All ATG batsman are very close so you can rate any of them over the other depending on your preference. When you consider his wicket keeping and captaincy, Dhoni makes a very good case for being the greatest ODI cricketer.

 

[theariezman]

No doubt it was a great innings but may be we can discuss around Asia Cup or is it part of pre Asia Cup discussions.

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[ahmedwaqas92]

Possibly the greatest ODI batsman in history is the 4th pick in an ODI team ?

The sample size for ATG batsmen is quite large when you take ODIs into consideration and given the 90s Sachin and his exploits against better bowlers I wouldn't get too worried about batting in the ODI XI there would be Sachin, Lara and Ponting who are equally as good as Viv and can do the job 9.5 times of 10 so yes when it comes to Batsmen we are spoilt for choice and therefore my pick for Viv would be the 4th one.

That is the reason why I pick the best bowler, WK and the most clutch finisher first in my lineup which are in quite scarce supply when it comes to ODI history.

I am assuming here that for me picking an ATG ODI there would be a rival ATG ODI XI as well hence I go for the bowler, WK and Finisher first up


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[sensible-indian-fan]

It is all about opinion. All ATG batsman are very close so you can rate any of them over the other depending on your preference. When you consider his wicket keeping and captaincy, Dhoni makes a very good case for being the greatest ODI cricketer.

Agreed its opinion.

But widely Viv is held at a far higher stature than Dhoni.

Both are GOATs though.

We don't rate Kallis over certain ATG bats cos he is an AR.

From what I have seen, the only guy who can compete with Viv in ODI stature is Sachin (if we do batsmen vs bowler comparison, then Wasim).

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Its probably the only innings by Dhoni I rate after 2011 WC apart from the double ton against Australia in our 4-0 whitewash.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Agreed its opinion.

But widely Viv is held at a far higher stature than Dhoni.

Both are GOATs though.

We don't rate Kallis over certain ATG bats cos he is an AR.

From what I have seen, the only guy who can compete with Viv in ODI stature is Sachin (if we do batsmen vs bowler comparison, then Wasim).

I agree with this. Only Sach comes close as an ODI batsman to Viv. Even amongst Indian batsmen I rate Sach and Kohli above Dhoni.

 

[bilalmasaud]

Even if the ball wasn't swinging crazily then also doesn't take away much from his inning.
When you walk in at 29/5, it have it's own challenges. Ball was still swinging although not as much as it was in first few overs but that's expected.

He rebuilt the innings, paced the innings and finished it.

That's like doing a misbah + doing a dhoni together.

I agree it was a great innings just was correcting some over hype there it in itself was a great innings didn't need to make it sound like snake infested pitch to make it special

 

[carrom_ball]

Agreed its opinion.

But widely Viv is held at a far higher stature than Dhoni.

Both are GOATs though.

We don't rate Kallis over certain ATG bats cos he is an AR.

From what I have seen, the only guy who can compete with Viv in ODI stature is Sachin (if we do batsmen vs bowler comparison, then Wasim).

Viv struggled against spin, viv was one of the greatest odi bats but Sachin was better, Sachin played in the 90s when odi cricket was at its peak, bowling was also At its peak, the toughest era to bat in, and Sachin dominated both pacers and spinners, there was only one good spinner in viv's era and that was Abdul kadir and viv struggled against him, imagine warne and murali bowling at viv, also Sachin dominated 2 and half decades which makes him greater than viv easily, Sachin proved his worth across different eras

 

[Bilal7]

I feel this is one of the greatest, yet one of the most underrated innings in the history of ODIs. Junaid Khan might have turned into a trundler now, but in THAT series he looked like a left handed Ambrose. On an early morning start , with overcast conditions, conditions were absolutely perfect for swing bowling. And were struggling big time with the score at 29-5 and were in danger of getting all out for below 50. Then MSD played an absolute blinder and gave India something to defend.

Here is the <a href='http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/589308.html'>http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/589308.html</a> of that match.

Thoughts?

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That was a great innings for sure. Junaid and Irfan were cutting through India's much-vaunted batting lineup and I thought the Indians would struggle to score 120.

After Dhoni got that century, I really thought we would lose but Nasir Jamshed had other ideas.

 

[world cup captain]

It was one hell of an inning. Will always remember it as the best knock that I have ever seen in ODIs along with Kholi's 183.

 

[Hawkeye]

I think in the last 6 years there are 3 outstanding innings by wicket keeper batsmen.

In order of quality:

1) Ms Dhoni 113 vs Pak
2) Sarfraz Ahmed 49 vs South Africa in the World Cup
3) Luke Ronchi 170 vs SL

Not much difference between 1 and 2.

[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] what you think mate?

I'm not gonna fall for that, mate.

 

[jaf348]

Time for a Dhoni special.

 

[Hasan123]

A truly brilliant innings from Dhoni. I expected us to roll India over easily, but Dhoni had other ideas. Also he showed how fit he was with his crazy running towards the end of the innings.


Dhoni is one of the most respected Indian cricketers in Pakistan.

 

[Suleiman]

Also puked during it. If Misbah didn't drop a sitter off him when he was on 33 it could've been our greatest win in odi vs India ever....

We just had to wait 5 more years is all

 

[CricFan2012]

He weathered the crazy swing...then built the innings in the middle and then closed out the innings with his death hitting.

Pretty much did everything (and that too against a rampaging Junaid and pre-ban Ajmal and Hafeez).

By the time he was smashing bowlers at the death, I was too stunned to say anything.

GOAT knock without a doubt.

Happened in namma Chennai too.

bro why dont you just call them out for what they were, chuckers.

Yeah eye gauging innings for us, thought he'd take the game away from us but big nas saved us

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

bro why dont you just call them out for what they were, chuckers.

Yeah eye gauging innings for us, thought he'd take the game away from us but big nas saved us

Called them as chuckers so many times in the past whenever appropriate.

After the issue is done and dusted, feel no need to pointlessly insult them in every post. Same way, don't attack Dhoni the test captain unnecessarily now that he has retired.

 

[Tusker]

Called them as chuckers so many times in the past whenever appropriate.

After the issue is done and dusted, feel no need to pointlessly insult them in every post. Same way, don't attack Dhoni the test captain unnecessarily now that he has retired.

unnecessarily and mindlessly ...

Man our desi Cricket fans can be truly unique. in any other Team players like SRT,Sehwag,VVS,Kohli,MSD would be revered. And ironically the same desi fans would respect them more under exact same conditions and situations.

I suspect the same happening to Kohli. Can never be happy ... Ghar ki murgi always baingan batata. lol

 

[The_Odd_One]

For me that was the best knock Dhoni has ever played in his career. Has to be one of the most well paced knocks of all time.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

unnecessarily and mindlessly ...

Man our desi Cricket fans can be truly unique. in any other Team players like SRT,Sehwag,VVS,Kohli,MSD would be revered. And ironically the same desi fans would respect them more under exact same conditions and situations.

I suspect the same happening to Kohli. Can never be happy ... Ghar ki murgi always baingan batata. lol

Not sure if that's directed at me.

But my viewpoint has always been consistent.

Praise players for their achievements. Put forth genuine criticism of their failures (especially if its consistent failures).

We can appreciate various players' achievements and at the same time acknowledge their flaws. Painting all fans who criticize with a broad brush may not be the right thing to do.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Top 10 innings in ODI history

 

[Rana]

No doubt it was a monumental knock. However, I only got the vibes that it was being touted as one of the best of all time ODI knocks by the analysts in the sky studios during the innings interval. I didnt get that feeling during the game.

I still feel that 'great' ODI knocks require the game to be of that magnitude. Such as a key world cup clash, knock out or the final of a highly anticipated series with world class players. Although this match can be placed right up there, im sure there have been knocks that were far greater in the history of ODI cricket.

Sachin's 97 v Pakistan in 2003 wc was a mind-blowing display of counter attacking cricket in a high quality match.
Brian Lara's 116 v South Africa 2003 wc (The best I have ever seen)
Viv Richards 189* v England with WI 230 all out
Gibbs 175 v Australia, greatest run chase innings
Kevin Pietersen 100* (69 balls) v South Africa in 2005. This is where the star of KP was born IMO, phenomenal innings
Inzimam ul Haq 122 v India 2005, Karachi
Stephen Fleming 134* v South Africa 2003wc. (Ice cold run chase under immense pressure)
Kapil Dev 175


These are some of the best I have seen. Not the Viv Richards and Kapil Dev knocks, but the scorecards tell how great they were. Yes I would put Dhoni in this list, but most probably after all of these knocks.

 

[Rana]

Also, I would Add Ashraful's 100 against Australia in Cardiff right up there, and better than Dhoni's 116. Considering the state of Bangladesh Cricket at the time and the peak of Australian cricket in limited overs, that was a phenomenal innings by Ashraful