Murali Vijay, Kuldeep Yadav dropped, Prithvi Shaw, Hanuma Vihari selected for last 2 Tests v England

[Abdullah719]

The Board Of Control For Cricket In India announced on Wednesday that batsman Prithvi Shaw and all-rounder Hanuma Vihari have been named in India's squad for the remaining two Tests against England. The All-India Senior Selection Committee met in Nottingham to pick the team for the Tests to be played in Southampton and London. Opener Murali Vijay and wrist spinner Kuldeep Yadav have been dropped to make way for Shaw and Vihari in the 18-man squad.

While the 18-year-old Shaw has come in the place of Vijay, Vihari is expected to be a back-up for Ravichandran Ashwin just in case he is unfit to play.

Virat Kohli's Team India made a short work England on the final day of third Test to beat the hosts by 203 runs at Trent Bridge. India's win in Nottingham cut the home side's lead in the five-match series to 2-1.

India's squad for the fourth and fifth Tests against England: Virat Kohli (Captain), Shikhar Dhawan, KL Rahul, Prithvi Shaw, Cheteshwar Pujara, Ajinkya Rahane (vice-captain), Karun Nair, Dinesh Karthik (wicket-keeper), Rishabh Pant (wicket-keeper), R Ashwin, Ravindra Jadeja, Hardik Pandya, Ishant Sharma, Mohd. Shami, Umesh Yadav, Jasprit Bumrah, Shardul Thakur, Hanuma Vihari

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[JaDed]

They dropped Kuldeep atrocious decision, hopefully they don't drop Rahul now coz we need him in slips.

Good to see Shaw inlucded ,drop Dhawan for him.

 

[MMHS]

Vihari was well anticipated, because of his numbers in recent times. I actually was almost certain that he'll debut against AUS - it came even earlier. Shaw is a bit surprising - I thought Agarwal would get the preference. But, they went for a teenager, instead of 27 years old veteran, fair enough.

It's going to be hell of a series between two competitive sides, and that's by 5 Tests series are the best entertainment in cricket - it gives time the visitors to make a come back.

 

[Srtfan]

Vihari is backup for pujara not ashwin

 

[cricketindiafan]

Not a bad decision to send Kuldeep to play for India A against Aus A in two 4-day unofficial tests. Hasn't bowled enough in FC cricket till date and needs some of that FC experience. He will have a role to play soon in Test side, got a taste of Test cricket at Lord's, learnt some tough lessons, will go back to FC cricket, become a better bowler with lots of overs under his belt and have a successful Test career.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Poor decision to select Shaw. Let him play more in A tours first. Don't want another Unmukt Chand type cricketer.

 

[JaDed]

Poor decision to select Shaw. Let him play more in A tours first. Don't want another Unmukt Chand type cricketer.

We need his defense up the order against new ball, hopefully he has it in him.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

They dropped Kuldeep atrocious decision, hopefully they don't drop Rahul now coz we need him in slips.

Good to see Shaw inlucded ,drop Dhawan for him.

Why do you want to drop Dhawan?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

We need his defense up the order against new ball, hopefully he has it in him.

Series is on the line. It is not the correct time to experiment. Dhawan and Rahul had two successive 50 runs partnership. We should continue with them.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Poor decision to select Shaw. Let him play more in A tours first. Don't want another Unmukt Chand type cricketer.

Exact why it is important to pick someone who has done well and in good form. If Chand had moved from u-19 to Indian side immediately, he may well have had a good international career. He started well in domestic cricket, performed regularly for India A, hit 3 100s in a Ranji Season in 2014-15 on atrocious pitches yet never got picked. That is where he lost track. Had he been selected for national side by 2014-15 and given a feel of international cricket, he may not have strayed.

 

[Zahid87]

Shows that Indian selectors, Shastri and Kohli sway with the wind.

The whole idea of selecting Kuldeep Yadav was that he takes the pitch out of the equation slightly - taking the theory that leg spinners are effective on any pitch, especially against England.

Yes, they screwed up their selection in the second test, and the pitches have generally tended to aid the seamers - but you should have still kept him around the squad for the remaining tests. The Oval usually takes spin.

Ashwin's fitness may also be suspect. He got injured and lets face it, he is not the most athletic bloke around. Would you trust Jadeja to be a wicket taking option? The seamers have done the job so far, but this is India, whose seam bowlers have historically been unpredictable.

Dumb move. And Kohli has history with this. In that Adelaide test, when he was captain and scored the epic hundred that took India to a glorious loss against Australia, he picked Chahal as a leg spinner over Ashwin - using the logic that off spinners struggle in Oz, leg spinners are successful. Don't think Chahal was seen again in whites.

Calling up two untested batsmen is also weird. When it took 2 tests for your main batsmen to get used to seaming conditions....why would you bring in two untested guys to your squad, and jettison Vijay who yes, has struggled, but at least has years of test experience, and has been in England over the past month.

 

[Joginder_Sharma]

Binning Vijay is a great decision. He has been atrocious since S.A tour. Moreover he gives vibes of being lazy and not working hard. Hanuma Vihari is a good selection, he has the ability to replace one of the middle order batsman but most probably his chance will come in Australia. Still iffy about Shaw selection, they should have gone for a bowler./spinner but it may not matter if Ashwin is fit.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Good move to bring shaw..should fasttrack gill as well...mental midgets like pujara nd rahane should be quickly phased out nd replaced by these youngsters..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Shows that Indian selectors, Shastri and Kohli sway with the wind.

The whole idea of selecting Kuldeep Yadav was that he takes the pitch out of the equation slightly - taking the theory that leg spinners are effective on any pitch, especially against England.

Yes, they screwed up their selection in the second test, and the pitches have generally tended to aid the seamers - but you should have still kept him around the squad for the remaining tests. The Oval usually takes spin.

Ashwin's fitness may also be suspect. He got injured and lets face it, he is not the most athletic bloke around. Would you trust Jadeja to be a wicket taking option? The seamers have done the job so far, but this is India, whose seam bowlers have historically been unpredictable.

Dumb move. And Kohli has history with this. In that Adelaide test, when he was captain and scored the epic hundred that took India to a glorious loss against Australia, he picked Chahal as a leg spinner over Ashwin - using the logic that off spinners struggle in Oz, leg spinners are successful. Don't think Chahal was seen again in whites.

Calling up two untested batsmen is also weird. When it took 2 tests for your main batsmen to get used to seaming conditions....why would you bring in two untested guys to your squad, and jettison Vijay who yes, has struggled, but at least has years of test experience, and has been in England over the past month.

Their stupidity knows no bounds. However, their was no need to pick 3 spinners on this tour anyway and selecting Kuldeep ahead of a pacer was a blunder. If it's a spinner friendly wicket and Ashwin is unfit , I think Jadeja is certainly a better option. Ashwin is only selected ahead of him for the batting and the fact that England had quite a few left handers initially. Also Mohammad Siraj is probably a better bowler than atleast shardul thakur who has no credentials for this format atleast.

 

[the_outsider]

Shows that Indian selectors, Shastri and Kohli sway with the wind.

The whole idea of selecting Kuldeep Yadav was that he takes the pitch out of the equation slightly - taking the theory that leg spinners are effective on any pitch, especially against England.

Yes, they screwed up their selection in the second test, and the pitches have generally tended to aid the seamers - but you should have still kept him around the squad for the remaining tests. The Oval usually takes spin.

Ashwin's fitness may also be suspect. He got injured and lets face it, he is not the most athletic bloke around. Would you trust Jadeja to be a wicket taking option? The seamers have done the job so far, but this is India, whose seam bowlers have historically been unpredictable.

Dumb move. And Kohli has history with this. In that Adelaide test, when he was captain and scored the epic hundred that took India to a glorious loss against Australia, he picked Chahal as a leg spinner over Ashwin - using the logic that off spinners struggle in Oz, leg spinners are successful. Don't think Chahal was seen again in whites.

Calling up two untested batsmen is also weird. When it took 2 tests for your main batsmen to get used to seaming conditions....why would you bring in two untested guys to your squad, and jettison Vijay who yes, has struggled, but at least has years of test experience, and has been in England over the past month.

I think it's becoming more and more clear that England will try their best not to offer pitches with much turn.

And it looked like Kuldeep was struggling with the Duke ball as much as he was struggling with the condition.

The only venue where we MIGHT use 2 spinners is atthr Oval. Ashwin would certainly be match fit by then and let's not forget that Jadeja is the number 1 ranked spinner in the world right now and he's been warming the benches.

If India lose the series it is certainly not going to be because of the absence of Kuldeep Yadav.

But it might be because of the absence of Bhuvi. Idk which ***** decided to drop an on-song Umesh to bring in a half-fit Bhuvi in the 3rd ODI. Someday needs to be held accountable for that decision.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Their stupidity knows no bounds. However, their was no need to pick 3 spinners on this tour anyway and selecting Kuldeep ahead of a pacer was a blunder. If it's a spinner friendly wicket and Ashwin is unfit , I think Jadeja is certainly a better option. Ashwin is only selected ahead of him for the batting and the fact that England had quite a few left handers initially. Also Mohammad Siraj is probably a better bowler than atleast shardul thakur who has no credentials for this format atleast.

Siraj has been in red hot form for India A recently but to say Shardul has not earned his place is not quite correct. He has been the leading pacer season after season in domestic cricket and has done very well for India A. He is not a trudnler either, can bowl decently at 85 mph with very good skills of swing and seam.

Having said that, Siraj is the future and should be with the squad as much as he can. And please do not pick him for T20s. Is an out and out Test/ODI bowler and should gradually be prepared for a Test debut in Australia ahead of Shami/Umesh.

 

[Cricket-Pundit]

Shows that Indian selectors, Shastri and Kohli sway with the wind.

The whole idea of selecting Kuldeep Yadav was that he takes the pitch out of the equation slightly - taking the theory that leg spinners are effective on any pitch, especially against England.

Yes, they screwed up their selection in the second test, and the pitches have generally tended to aid the seamers - but you should have still kept him around the squad for the remaining tests. The Oval usually takes spin.

Ashwin's fitness may also be suspect. He got injured and lets face it, he is not the most athletic bloke around. Would you trust Jadeja to be a wicket taking option? The seamers have done the job so far, but this is India, whose seam bowlers have historically been unpredictable.

Dumb move. And Kohli has history with this. In that Adelaide test, when he was captain and scored the epic hundred that took India to a glorious loss against Australia, he picked Chahal as a leg spinner over Ashwin - using the logic that off spinners struggle in Oz, leg spinners are successful. Don't think Chahal was seen again in whites.

Calling up two untested batsmen is also weird. When it took 2 tests for your main batsmen to get used to seaming conditions....why would you bring in two untested guys to your squad, and jettison Vijay who yes, has struggled, but at least has years of test experience, and has been in England over the past month.

It was not Chahal, but Karn Sharma. ☺

 

[JaDed]

Series is on the line. It is not the correct time to experiment. Dhawan and Rahul had two successive 50 runs partnership. We should continue with them.

I agree with you, but I have no hope from Dhawan and unlike Rahul he won't do well in slips too.

 

[the_outsider]

I agree with you, but I have no hope from Dhawan and unlike Rahul he won't do well in slips too.

But in reality Dhawan has looked the best out of all 5 openers we have seen in this series so far. He also has the most runs among all openers.

 

[JaDed]

But in reality Dhawan has looked the best out of all 5 openers we have seen in this series so far. He also has the most runs among all openers.

Who is the 5th opener? including English?

 

[the_outsider]

Who is the 5th opener? including English?

Yes. Dhawan, Vijay, Rahul, Cook and Jennings.

Dhawan's average of 29.5 is the highest by some distance. Jennings is in second place at 18.8

 

[the_outsider]

Who is the 5th opener? including English?

In fact, I just checked and Dhawan has the highest average among the top 3 for both teams - Vijay, Rahul, Dhawan, Pujara, Cook, Jennings and Root.

 

[troodon]

Good decision.

Vijay should have been dropped after SA tour. He is done and dusted.

Kuldeep will get his chances again.

Shaw will be a good addition. But not sure how he will perform against class bowling like England in their home conditions. But if Shaw survives the initial burst from English Pacers, he will score big hundreds.

Ideally, I would have picked Shaw in the ODI or T20 first before throwing him to the wolves in Test Cricket.

 

[gazza619]

They dropped Kuldeep atrocious decision, hopefully they don't drop Rahul now coz we need him in slips.

Good to see Shaw inlucded ,drop Dhawan for him.

Kuldeep should never have been in squad to start with.
You can’t pick a player just because he is a good slip fielder. I would take a risk and debut both the new lads in the next game..

 

[the_outsider]

Kuldeep should never have been in squad to start with.
You can’t pick a player just because he is a good slip fielder. I would take a risk and debut both the new lads in the next game..

I highly doubt either will get a game. India have two must win games and playing 3 debutants in Shaw, Vihari and Pant is a risk.

Shaw still has an outside chance if KL Rahul fails in both innings in Southampton but I don't see Vihari coming in for Pujara or Rahane in the next 2 matches.

 

[Mp812]

Both vihari and shaw are unlikely to get chances unless openers or chepujara gets injured

 

[JaDed]

Kuldeep should never have been in squad to start with.
You can’t pick a player just because he is a good slip fielder. I would take a risk and debut both the new lads in the next game..

His 30s plus slip catching is needed a lot in England.

 

[gazza619]

I highly doubt either will get a game. India have two must win games and playing 3 debutants in Shaw, Vihari and Pant is a risk.

Shaw still has an outside chance if KL Rahul fails in both innings in Southampton but I don't see Vihari coming in for Pujara or Rahane in the next 2 matches.

The only way I see India winning this series is by thinking out of the box. England will be coming hard at India in the 4th test and India needs to surprise England by including a new batsman and a new bowler. Drop Ashwin and Rahul and bring two new talented guys who England havent faced before.

 

[the_outsider]

The only way I see India winning this series is by thinking out of the box. England will be coming hard at India in the 4th test and India needs to surprise England by including a new batsman and a new bowler. Drop Ashwin and Rahul and bring two new talented guys who England havent faced before.

I am an advocate of not changing a winning combination. But if KL or Dhawan fails in the 4th test and India lose then India can give a chance to Shaw since the series would have been lost anyway.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Shaw is a great selection. Selecting him now presents India with the potential of grooming an ATG long-term opener which Shaw is definitely capable of being. Only seen him bat a couple of times but the talent is very visible.

Vijay had a good run and some decent performances overseas but since the South African tour his technique has been badly unraveled by quality bowling. He has somehow regressed and lost the patience that made him successful in the past in England and Australia. At 34 I don't see him getting any better.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Binning Vijay is a great decision. He has been atrocious since S.A tour. Moreover he gives vibes of being lazy and not working hard. Hanuma Vihari is a good selection, he has the ability to replace one of the middle order batsman but most probably his chance will come in Australia. Still iffy about Shaw selection, they should have gone for a bowler./spinner but it may not matter if Ashwin is fit.

Quick fall for Vijay. Not too long ago he was the 1st choice opener.

 

[Napa]

Idk which ***** decided to drop an on-song Umesh to bring in a half-fit Bhuvi in the 3rd ODI. Someday needs to be held accountable for that decision.

Before that questions is answered and someone is held accountable, I want to know who decided Umesh to be dropped in the CT final when he had figures of 7.4-1-30-3 in the group game against Pakistan, and bring in Ashwin who had figures of 10-0-70-0 in the final.

Ashwin is a great bowler, but obviously in the CT Final played in England, picking Umesh over Ashwin should have been a no-brainer.

 

[the_outsider]

Quick fall for Vijay. Not too long ago he was the 1st choice opener.

He's already 34 and plays for a country where getting into the national team as a batsman is probably the most difficult. So, unfortunately, I don't think he'll be able to make a comeback. But I do believe he has a few runs left in him. He was scoring regularly right until Dec 2017. It's only in the last 5 tests that his form has completely deserted him.

It's not a very long run of bad form as compared to a Cook who's been struggling for a couple of years now. I'm almost sure that Vijay will regain form and score runs in domestic cricket but I don't see him making a comeback despite that.

But he should be proud of what he's achieved. Almost 4000 runs, 12 test centuries at an avg of 40 is a fine career, in my opinion.

 

[cricketworm]

Shaw won't play unless there is an injury or Dhawan goes for under 10 in both innings.

Dhawan and Rahul kind of getting back to their good defense. Their resistance in both Innings at Edgebaston have helped a lot.

Great exposure for Shaw to rub shoulders with Kohli in dressing room though.

Vihari has been scoring a lot lately, picked on a form, and rightly so.

Jaddu is there if Ash gets injured.

 

[jnaveen1980]

They dropped Kuldeep atrocious decision, hopefully they don't drop Rahul now coz we need him in slips.

Good to see Shaw inlucded ,drop Dhawan for him.

True Oval is tailor made for spinners. Don't understand the logic. Having said that at this point Kuldeep's novelty has worn off somewhat. Jadeja can chip in.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Poor decision to select Shaw. Let him play more in A tours first. Don't want another Unmukt Chand type cricketer.

Enough with conservative ** selections. Just throw them at the deepend. This is not even that deep. Pant proved it. Shaw will prove as well.

 

[Ab Fan]

Kuldeep shouldn't have been dropped.

Vijay is dropped, means Rahul and Dhawan will probably open in next tests, Pujara at 3, kohli at 4 and Rahane at 5.

 

[MP2011]

Before that questions is answered and someone is held accountable, I want to know who decided Umesh to be dropped in the CT final when he had figures of 7.4-1-30-3 in the group game against Pakistan, and bring in Ashwin who had figures of 10-0-70-0 in the final.

Ashwin is a great bowler, but obviously in the CT Final played in England, picking Umesh over Ashwin should have been a no-brainer.

Blessing in disguise!

If not for Jadeja and Ashwin failing miserably in CT final, we won't have probably played wrist spinners like Kudeep and Chahal, certainly not this early in their careers.

 

[volcyz]

Shows that Indian selectors, Shastri and Kohli sway with the wind.

The whole idea of selecting Kuldeep Yadav was that he takes the pitch out of the equation slightly - taking the theory that leg spinners are effective on any pitch, especially against England.

Yes, they screwed up their selection in the second test, and the pitches have generally tended to aid the seamers - but you should have still kept him around the squad for the remaining tests. The Oval usually takes spin.

Ashwin's fitness may also be suspect. He got injured and lets face it, he is not the most athletic bloke around. Would you trust Jadeja to be a wicket taking option? The seamers have done the job so far, but this is India, whose seam bowlers have historically been unpredictable.

Dumb move. And Kohli has history with this. In that Adelaide test, when he was captain and scored the epic hundred that took India to a glorious loss against Australia, he picked Chahal as a leg spinner over Ashwin - using the logic that off spinners struggle in Oz, leg spinners are successful. Don't think Chahal was seen again in whites.

Calling up two untested batsmen is also weird. When it took 2 tests for your main batsmen to get used to seaming conditions....why would you bring in two untested guys to your squad, and jettison Vijay who yes, has struggled, but at least has years of test experience, and has been in England over the past month.

It was the useless Karn Sharma not Chahal

 

[TM Riddle]

No Mohammed Shiraz?
What more he has to do to get into the side?

 

[volcyz]

What happened to Mukund

 

[cricketjoshila]

Siraj has been in red hot form for India A recently but to say Shardul has not earned his place is not quite correct. He has been the leading pacer season after season in domestic cricket and has done very well for India A. He is not a trudnler either, can bowl decently at 85 mph with very good skills of swing and seam.

Having said that, Siraj is the future and should be with the squad as much as he can. And please do not pick him for T20s. Is an out and out Test/ODI bowler and should gradually be prepared for a Test debut in Australia ahead of Shami/Umesh.

Thakur has a FC bowling avg of 28 plus. Thats not good enough to be in the Indian team. He is in the team because he is from Mumbai and plays for CSK.

 

[TM Riddle]

Thakur has a FC bowling avg of 28 plus. Thats not good enough to be in the Indian team. He is in the team because he is from Mumbai and plays for CSK.

He's a classic Indian trundler from the long generation of Madan lal, Doda Ganesh and Munaf Patel.
Won't survive a day in test cricket.
We need skilled pacers like Siraj who bowl their heart out and dont give batsman time to settle.

 

[Varun]

We should NOT select any 18 year old into the test team. We'll end up with a Parthiv Patel like situation where we completely destroy any future prospects of the candidate.

People like Sachin are the exception, not the rule.

 

[cricketindiafan]

Thakur has a FC bowling avg of 28 plus. Thats not good enough to be in the Indian team. He is in the team because he is from Mumbai and plays for CSK.

LOL you do realise that rules out Ishant, Umesh and Shami or would have kept even Bhuvi out of the team or rules out Ankit Rajpoot or say someone like Khaleel Ahmed?

The guy has taken 80+ FC wickets at under 25 in last 3 seasons. Siraj is the current flavour but don't run Thakur under the bus without giving him any opportunities. He's been with the Indian team since 2016 as a reserve, replacement or standby and a regular performer for India A after he won Mumbai the Ranji Trophy in 2015-16. So very unfair to say he's there because he plays for Mumbai or CSK.

 

[cricketjoshila]

LOL you do realise that rules out Ishant, Umesh and Shami or would have kept even Bhuvi out of the team or rules out Ankit Rajpoot or say someone like Khaleel Ahmed?

The guy has taken 80+ FC wickets at under 25 in last 3 seasons. Siraj is the current flavour but don't run Thakur under the bus without giving him any opportunities. He's been with the Indian team since 2016 as a reserve, replacement or standby and a regular performer for India A after he won Mumbai the Ranji Trophy in 2015-16. So very unfair to say he's there because he plays for Mumbai or CSK.

You do realise that for test cricketers the FC avg includes the test performances as well. Hence FC avg of a test cricketer is not comparable to non test cricketers.

Yes he is in the Indian team because he is from Mumbai.

He neither has pace nor is a swinger like Bhuvi neither the seam movement of Shami or the height of Ishant. He is a faster form of Vinay Kumar.

Siraj has 86 wickets at 19.7 in FC. Far ahead of Thakur.

 

[MP2011]

Not rooting for Siraj as he still has to perform consistently in domestic circuit. However nothing that I've seen of Thakur at international level convinces me that he is of international standard. Might be good for Ranji trophy and all and may be even for A tours though.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You do realise that for test cricketers the FC avg includes the test performances as well. Hence FC avg of a test cricketer is not comparable to non test cricketers.

Yes he is in the Indian team because he is from Mumbai.

He neither has pace nor is a swinger like Bhuvi neither the seam movement of Shami or the height of Ishant. He is a faster form of Vinay Kumar.

Siraj has 86 wickets at 19.7 in FC. Far ahead of Thakur.

Basically this. And also Siraj has performed on A tours of England and taken some wickets of some very good Lions' players and the A team of SA had some very good players like Zubayr Hamza etc. It's a travesty that thakur was selected ahead of him.

 

[JattMaula]

Siraj is not selected cause all our squad pacers are fit ATM. I'm guessing that he will be in squad for Australia. He is better off blasting Aussie A and Saffers A than warming the cold English benches.

Shaw is an investment pick. Has more in common with Viru than Sachin.

Vihari is a really really good pick. He is defiantly ready for the highest form. And he will keep out the tailunt Sharma from now on. That's major.

 

[MP2011]

And he will keep out the tailunt Sharma from now on. That's major.

If he can do that, that'll be his biggest contribution to India's LoI teams. However knowing how Indian think tank operates, won't be least bit surprised to see Rohit still walking out to open even against associate nations!

 

[austerlitz]

Hopefully future indian batting line up -

Rahul
Shaw
Gill
Kohli
Vihari
Pant
Pandya/Random bastman

 

[austerlitz]

Dhawan is almost 33.Vijay is finished.Shaw's time has come.If he needs more time we will make do with agarwal in the meantime until he's ready.
Hopefully Rahul,Shaw,Gill and Vihari can form some sort of fab four for India in the future.

 

[Srtfan]

Rahul
Shaw
Vihari
Kohli
Rahane/ pujara/nair
Pant
Pandya

Our future batting lineup.rahane for outside ,pujara in asia

 

[JattMaula]

If he can do that, that'll be his biggest contribution to India's LoI teams. However knowing how Indian think tank operates, won't be least bit surprised to see Rohit still walking out to open even against associate nations!

I was talking about tests but I'm open to phasing out tailunt in LOI's also.

 

[MP2011]

We won't win much with Rohit in India's LoI teams. Of course he'll shine once in a while so as to maintain his attractive average and all. But more often than not, he'll fail in decisive moments which has and will cost us dearly.

 

[the_outsider]

We won't win much with Rohit in India's LoI teams. Of course he'll shine once in a while so as to maintain his attractive average and all. But more often than not, he'll fail in decisive moments which has and will cost us dearly.

That is a complete misconception!

Since 2013, Rohit Sharma has 38 scores of 50+ in 96 innings. That means he makes 50+ every 2.52 innings.


Here's the list (Innings per 50+ score) since 2013:

1. Kohli - 2.34
2. ABD - 2.52
2. Rohit - 2.52
4. R Taylor - 2.6
5. Dhawan - 2.67
6. Root - 2.68
7. Finch - 3.06
8. QDK - 3.16
9. Amla - 3.21
10. Guptill - 3.32

Rohit Sharma is literally the second most consistent batsmen since 2013.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Thakur has a FC bowling avg of 28 plus. Thats not good enough to be in the Indian team. He is in the team because he is from Mumbai and plays for CSK.

Lol you are talking as if we have a crop of phaast bowlers who avg under 22. Didn't Siraj play for India before and was trundling just like Thakur? It's just that whoever is outside the team looks better than the one who is selected. You even wanted Siraj in place of Ishant in the England series as well. I told you then as well that Ishant has improved a lot after playing county cricket.

 

[MP2011]

That is a complete misconception!

Since 2013, Rohit Sharma has 38 scores of 50+ in 96 innings. That means he makes 50+ every 2.52 innings.


Here's the list (Innings per 50+ score) since 2013:

1. Kohli - 2.34
2. ABD - 2.52
2. Rohit - 2.52
4. R Taylor - 2.6
5. Dhawan - 2.67
6. Root - 2.68
7. Finch - 3.06
8. QDK - 3.16
9. Amla - 3.21
10. Guptill - 3.32

Rohit Sharma is literally the second most consistent batsmen since 2013.

If ever there were deceptive stats! No doubt he has some attractive numbers in his CV. But if you have closely followed Rohit's career over past few years, more often than not he goes into hiding in deciders or knockouts. Few examples here and there won't help his case much.

 

[cricketindiafan]

We won't win much with Rohit in India's LoI teams. Of course he'll shine once in a while so as to maintain his attractive average and all. But more often than not, he'll fail in decisive moments which has and will cost us dearly.

How exactly can someone who has 32 50+ scores (16 100s and 16 50s) in last 5 years in the 80 ODIs he's played be called "shining once in a while". No one else other than Kohli has that many in ODIs in this period. (Dhawan also has 32 50+ scores in the same period)

 

[MP2011]

What I meant from shining once in a while was with regards to his performance in deciders/knockouts and not his overall performance. He has too many failures in knockouts now and can safely be termed as mostly dud in them.

 

[the_outsider]

If ever there were deceptive stats! No doubt he has some attractive numbers in his CV. But if you have closely followed Rohit's career over past few years, more often than not he goes into hiding in deciders or knockouts. Few examples here and there won't help his case much.

There is no deception here. It's simply a failure of human perception.

It's a long-standing scientific fact that human perception is extremely unreliable.

I would still understand if Rohit was ranked 15th or 20th in consistency but he is second only to the best batsman of this generation.

In terms of average he is again only 3rd on the list.

In terms of centuries again he is second only to Kohli.

In ICC tournaments, Rohit has been India's second most consistent batsman next to Dhawan.



With so many stats pointing towards Rohit's consistenty, mere "perception" is not enough to dispell it.

Rohit gets a lot of flak for scoring double hundreds against SL but nobody seems to care that ABD fastest 100 and fastest 150 both came against WI.

Everybody seems to forget that of the 7 batsmen who have scored 200 in ODIs, only Rohit Sharma and Sachin have a score of 200 against a top 3 team - SA & AUS.

Every other double century has come against SL, WI or ZIM.

Your perception is wrong. It's as simple as that.

 

[MP2011]

You don't get it, so forget it.

 

[MP2011]

When did I ever devalue his double tons? I mean someone can only dream of scoring 3 double tons in ODIs. My grouse with Rohit is not that.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol you are talking as if we have a crop of phaast bowlers who avg under 22. Didn't Siraj play for India before and was trundling just like Thakur? It's just that whoever is outside the team looks better than the one who is selected. You even wanted Siraj in place of Ishant in the England series as well. I told you then as well that Ishant has improved a lot after playing county cricket.

Siraj was bowling quick in the IPL and anyway he's not a T20 bowler . He's a proper test prospect and comfortably outbowled everyone else in the A matches he has played recently .

 

[the_outsider]

You don't get it, so forget it.

Since 2013,

In 6 ICC 50 over knockout matches India have played, Rohit Sharma's stats are:

Innings: 6
Runs: 335
Avg: 67
100s: 2

Those are the most runs for any Indian batsman in this period. Its also the highest average. No other Indian batsman has scored a century.

Like I already told you, perception is unreliable. Reality is the exact opposite of what you thought.

 

[MP2011]

Its not what I thought. Its what I saw. And I've been seeing that for quite a few years to form an opinion on him now.

 

[the_outsider]

Its not what I thought. Its what I saw. And I've been seeing that for quite a few years to form an opinion on him now.

But your opinion cannot be trusted if you thought the most successful Indian batsman in kockouts can "safely be termed as mostly dud."

And you haven't even given a single substantial reason for your opinion either.

 

[MP2011]

Since 2013,

In 6 ICC 50 over knockout matches India have played, Rohit Sharma's stats are:

Innings: 6
Runs: 335
Avg: 67
100s: 2

lol, as I said earlier if ever there were misleading stats!

Out of these 335 runs 260 runs @ 260 have come against the likes of Bangladesh. Those 2 matches were surely knockouts but not something you'd like to associate with dispelling this 'myth'.

One more fact on his knockout travails,

He averages 4 in tournament finals (3) since 2013. Did I mention how slow he always starts off, thereby seriously disrupting subsequent bats' rhythm? Case in point being last 2 ODIs in Eng ODI series last month. when going was easy, he hit an unbeaten ton in the first ODI as India was chasing just 260-odd. But when India asked to chase 320-odd in the 2nd ODI and asked to set a challenging total in the decided, he conveniently choked.

 

[MP2011]

But your opinion cannot be trusted if you thought the most successful Indian batsman in kockouts can "safely be termed as mostly dud."

And you haven't even given a single substantial reason for your opinion either.

And your 'facts' could be trusted?

 

[MP2011]

When there were challenging conditions in SA ODIs, he simply caved in. He did score a ton (S/r: 91: not good enough considering he played close to half of India's quota of overs) in the series but couldn't help India reaching a challenging score despite that on a shirtfront. If its not failure of him, what else is?

My point remains same, his stats look attractive because he pads up them with big scores here and there. But when the going gets tough, he hardly ever gets going.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol you are talking as if we have a crop of phaast bowlers who avg under 22. Didn't Siraj play for India before and was trundling just like Thakur? It's just that whoever is outside the team looks better than the one who is selected. You even wanted Siraj in place of Ishant in the England series as well. I told you then as well that Ishant has improved a lot after playing county cricket.

Siraj didnot play a test match or a Odi but couple of T20s.

Yes he avgs 19.7 in FC of India. Thats very good.

Ishant may have improved after 10yrs of international cricket. But his ceiling is a lot lower.

 

[the_outsider]

And your 'facts' could be trusted?

Unlike your opinion, those facts are not my own. Those numbers would remain exactly the same with or without me.

 

[MP2011]

Unlike your opinion, those facts are not my own. Those numbers would remain exactly the same with or without me.

lol, look how conveniently you ignored the facts I presented above. As I said, forget it since you don't get it.

 

[the_outsider]

lol, as I said earlier if ever there were misleading stats!

Out of these 335 runs 260 runs @ 260 have come against the likes of Bangladesh. Those 2 matches were surely knockouts but not something you'd like to associate with dispelling this 'myth'.

One more fact on his knockout travails,

He averages 4 in tournament finals (3) since 2013. Did I mention how slow he always starts off, thereby seriously disrupting subsequent bats' rhythm? Case in point being last 2 ODIs in Eng ODI series last month. when going was easy, he hit an unbeaten ton in the first ODI as India was chasing just 260-odd. But when India asked to chase 320-odd in the 2nd ODI and asked to set a challenging total in the decided, he conveniently choked.

BAN is no longer a minnow in ODIs. They've consistently reached knockout stages in ICC tournaments for the last 3 years. And like you said - a knockout is a knockout.

Which are the 3 tournament finals? As far as I know, India has only played 2 fifty-over finals with Rohit Sharma - CT13 and CT17.

It's true that in those 2 finals Rohit averages 4.5. (even though that's a criminally small sample size to go by).

In those same 2 finals Kohli has averaged 24 and Dhawan averaged 26. Not exactly pillars of strength.

So how is it that Rohit is so much more inconsistent than everybody else?

Or is it because of the SA tour? Is your argument that because Rohit had a poor tour (despite scoring a match winning 100) of SA, his past 5 years of consistency of an avg of 58 can be chucked out of the window?



You were wrong, dude. Just be the bigger man, admit it and move on.

 

[Varun]

Also - is this the end of Vijay's international career?

 

[MP2011]

Bangladesh is a minnow whether you like to accept it or not, doesn't change the reality. This can be gauged by the fact that when they reach knockouts its treated more as a surprise. If they're not ranked even amongst top-8 cricket playing nations, they can only be termed as minnows. Fact that you had to desperately cling on none other than Bangladesh to prove your point, actually proves my point.

PS: Don't have anything against Bangladesh.

 

[MP2011]

Also - is this the end of Vijay's international career?

Looks like. But he has only himself to blame. If despite playing just 1 format, he can't keep him fit then you do have to question his commitment towards playing for his country. I know not everyone could be Virat but you've to maintain decent standards of fitness to be an international cricketer which he sadly couldn't. Was probably best Indian opener after Gambhir especially overseas.

 

[Smbhayi]

Sanju was better option than Shaw..

 

[AMSS]

Sanju was better option than Shaw..

He's a hyped up DUD with serious temperament issues. Be content watching him in IPL tonking pretty 20s and 30s. He's never getting an India cap for tests, or even carve an ODI career.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Sanju was better option than Shaw..

Is he even a test match material