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Last year, some people genuinely rated the BD pacer as the better bowler.

Having seen them both live recently - it is not even a close contest. Amir is faster, wilier, swings it both ways, bowls better lengths, varies the pace, generates more bounce , more economical and is a genuine wicket taker. Amir is a truly world class bowler. Fizz is no where near that level.

I was very disappointed in Fizz. And the injury is a long time ago now.
He is a one trick pony. I honestly think Rubel is a bettee bowler then Fizz.

PS: And Rubel is not very good.
 
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Mustafizur is just one trick pony now. he swings on helping condition otherwise keeps on bowling slower cutter deliveries . Amir is 10times the bowler fizz will ever be
 
Well according to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] the "fizz" is better than the overrated Amir :yk
 
Well Mamoon was watching a different fizz and a different Amir to what we saw recently.

This is not a gloating message. I want BD to develop. But Fizz is simply not the real deal. In my opinion. Amir is.
 
Simply put, before the final a lot of people would have said that Fizz was better than Amir. Some people can only see numbers and not genuine ability. Amir whether he played on green mambas or flat pitches was still Amir. People have no patience when it comes to cricket. Yes he bowled flat and dejected in his first year back but it must be taken into account that he simply is among the best pacers of this generation. A lot of people may take more wickets but very few can change the game like Starc or Amir. Not Boult or Hazlewood. Not even Woakes or Fizz. Bowlers like Amir or Starc don't raise the standard, they are the standard. But there is a stipulation these players have. The stakes or pressure must be very high for them to perform at their very best. That's why you saw the best of Starc when Australia were defending 160 odd against New Zealand in Auckland in the World Cup. That's why you saw the best of Amir when Pakistan was defending 330 on a flat pitch against the best top order in world cricket today in the Champions Trophy final. Starc doesn't care if Pakistan is playing a meaningless series in Australia. The same reason why Amir doesn't care if Pakistan is playing some meaningless series in New Zealand. There is only performance at stake, not pride. It is when the occasion gets to others that these type of players use it as fuel.
 
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Amir is a strike bowler,The fizz of what I have seen of him is played on reputation and all of a sudden that reputation has vanished and players are playing the ball not the bowler.

Amir after Windies tour has changed and with Amir the good thing is he can contain or get wickets he can also be quite fast.

I love the investment the PCB have put in,This is how players are made
 
Billy1999 said:
Amir is a strike bowler,The fizz of what I have seen of him is played on reputation and all of a sudden that reputation has vanished and players are playing the ball not the bowler.

Amir after Windies tour has changed and with Amir the good thing is he can contain or get wickets he can also be quite fast.

I love the investment the PCB have put in,This is how players are made
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credit goes to azhar mehmood. he has instilled confidençe in all the bowlers not just Amir
 
You can't just discredit Fizz like that. He could be having a bad patch, but his contributions to his teams successes are undeniable.

And why do we always have to compare two cricketers?
 
I never rated Fizz before, but recently saw some of his wickets. He still averages less than 20, and has at his best many different variations like a baseball pitcher fastball, curveball, knuckle ball etc. so, his variation is what impressed me, and he is not slow either. At full strength he can easily clock 142k.
 
If you create same thread every 6 months performamce then obviously it will not be the same.

And before the final amir also hadnt that dramatic succes either.
 
Potential wise amir was 10 time better than fizz anyway. Both are not same type of bowler. Fizz was not a fast bowler since the beginning , so no comparision between them anyway. And fizz performance has been fed away and he is also injury prone. He will not have a long run like amir. He doesnt even play test.
 
Right, since according to your analysis Fizz is bad. So, why compare Amir with Fizz.

Compare Amir with Starc, Boult, etc.
 
Fizz is not bad. Anybody who takes two five-gets against India in their first two matches is not bad. But he can't change a game like Amir and Starc. Once again, actually read the post rather than reading a few names and making generalizations about what I said.
 
ManFan said:
Simply put, before the final a lot of people would have said that Fizz was better than Amir. Some people can only see numbers and not genuine ability. Amir whether he played on green mambas or flat pitches was still Amir. People have no patience when it comes to cricket. Yes he bowled flat and dejected in his first year back but it must be taken into account that he simply is among the best pacers of this generation. A lot of people may take more wickets but very few can change the game like Starc or Amir. Not Boult or Hazlewood. Not even Woakes or Fizz. Bowlers like Amir or Starc don't raise the standard, they are the standard. But there is a stipulation these players have. The stakes or pressure must be very high for them to perform at their very best. That's why you saw the best of Starc when Australia were defending 160 odd against New Zealand in Auckland in the World Cup. That's why you saw the best of Amir when Pakistan was defending 330 on a flat pitch against the best top order in world cricket today in the Champions Trophy final. Starc doesn't care if Pakistan is playing a meaningless series in Australia. The same reason why Amir doesn't care if Pakistan is playing some meaningless series in New Zealand. There is only performance at stake, not pride. It is when the occasion gets to others that these type of players use it as fuel.
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Yes, Amir purposely underperforms in matches apart from CT finals. Even in important overseas tests, he underperforms because it is not a big enough occassion.
 
Amir is miles ahead of Mustafizur even though latter is not a bad bowler. Amir is a genuine match winner who can take out best of the best batsmen in the world even on the flattest tracks under pressure. He has all the ingredients a Fast bowler should have Pace, Swing, Bounce, Intelligence e.t.c, while Mustafizur only relies on slow cutters who can give him wickets until he is figured out. So, for me Amir is one of the best bowlers in the world right now.
 
The Googly said:
Last year, some people genuinely rated the BD pacer as the better bowler.

Having seen them both live recently - it is not even a close contest. Amir is faster, wilier, swings it both ways, bowls better lengths, varies the pace, generates more bounce , more economical and is a genuine wicket taker. Amir is a truly world class bowler. Fizz is no where near that level.

I was very disappointed in Fizz. And the injury is a long time ago now.
He is a one trick pony. I honestly think Rubel is a bettee bowler then Fizz.

PS: And Rubel is not very good.
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I am yet to see Amir swinging on flatter tracks.
That Fizz was more of a Hasan Alish bowler.
 
zyrus said:
I am yet to see Amir swinging on flatter tracks.
That Fizz was more of a Hasan Alish bowler.
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Quite an insult to Hassan Ali IMO.......

Amir, Junaid Hassan should never be even mentioned in the same sentence as that of Bangladeshi pacers - it's basically a disservice to the stature as fast bowlers.

If you really want a comparison then Anwar Ali and Sohail Tanvir are the way to go......
 
Why not in the same sentence?

How about you watch the video of our first win in a foreign soil against a quality team and you will see it was Fizz who turned the match around for us. He bowled with venom though his pace wasn't great.

He didn't just outsmart opposition with his cutters. He can improve from here onwards.
 
To early to write of the Fizz but I see the start of his career like a better version of sohail Tanvir

Catches everyone's attention due to his novelty, does great in the ipl then lives off that for the next decade

Again fizz isn't that bad yet but there are similarities
 
Executioner said:
Why not in the same sentence?

How about you watch the video of our first win in a foreign soil against a quality team and you will see it was Fizz who turned the match around for us. He bowled with venom though his pace wasn't great.

He didn't just outsmart opposition with his cutters. He can improve from here onwards.
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Fizz is bog standard. Goes missing all the time.
 
zyrus;9352178[B said:
]I am yet to see Amir swinging on flatter tracks. [/B]
That Fizz was more of a Hasan Alish bowler.
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Go and watch the highlights of CT final
 
This thread is not timely.Mustafizur need some more time to get back his rhythm,as Aamir needed more than a year to be a bowler worthy for team Pakistan.Not very long time ago some posters were demanding dropping Aamir from the team and rightly so.He was not performing up to the mark.But after one CT final he is a hero.At this moment Aamir>>Mustafizur.But i shall evaluate and compare them after another 6 months.
 
Mainul said:
This thread is not timely.Mustafizur need some more time to get back his rhythm,as Aamir needed more than a year to be a bowler worthy for team Pakistan.Not very long time ago some posters were demanding dropping Aamir from the team and rightly so.He was not performing up to the mark.But after one CT final he is a hero.At this moment Aamir>>Mustafizur.But i shall evaluate and compare them after another 6 months.
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Bro Fizz is a zero. Novelty worn off and he is done.
 
Fizz has had a comfortably better ODI career so far, but performing in tournament finals is worth a lot more than bilaterals. Amir is ahead after the final, albeit he had the luxury of defending a massive score and bowling to batsmen visibly under pressure. Nonetheless, it was a phenomenal performance and arguably the spell of the tournament.

The Fizz though has been superb himself. Pakistani fans are insecure when it comes pacers from other countries, since they feel that only they have the right and the talent to produce quality pacers. They are quick to write others off and make fun of them, but it generally backfires. We have seen how good and quick Bhuvneshwar has been, in spite of the fact that he was written off as a useless trundler.

The Fizz had an underwhelming tournament which could be down to his injury. Let's see if he can recreate the spark in his bowling. If he doesn't, it will be a massive loss for Bangladesh because their pace bowling looks very ordinary without a fit and firing Fizz.
 
Mamoon said:
Fizz has had a comfortably better ODI career so far, but performing in tournament finals is worth a lot more than bilaterals. Amir is ahead after the final, albeit he had the luxury of defending a massive score and bowling to batsmen visibly under pressure. Nonetheless, it was a phenomenal performance and arguably the spell of the tournament.

The Fizz though has been superb himself. Pakistani fans are insecure when it comes pacers from other countries, since they feel that only they have the right and the talent to produce quality pacers. They are quick to write others off and make fun of them, but it generally backfires. We have seen how good and quick Bhuvneshwar has been, in spite of the fact that he was written off as a useless trundler.

The Fizz had an underwhelming tournament which could be down to his injury. Let's see if he can recreate the spark in his bowling. If he doesn't, it will be a massive loss for Bangladesh because their pace bowling looks very ordinary without a fit and firing Fizz.
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Mustafizur will only be effective on dry pitches. The sample size for Bangladesh and Mustafuzir himself is too small for any comparison with any international bowler right now tbh. He just hasn't played much over a consistent period of time against top teams. However, what I saw in CT wasn't even the third best pacer in the Bangladesh team. Not the kind of bowler millions pin their hopes on for a fast bowling dawn.
 
Some posters taking this comparison in the wrong way.

1. Amir is getting back to pre-jail standards. That is why i created the post.

2. Fizz has receded due to injury and having just one trick. Fizz may develop but for now,he is not in the top ten.

3. Worlds best pacers?

Starc and Amir equal in my opinion. Starc maybe slightly ahead but not for long if Amir stays fit.

Rabada
Boult
Wood
 
The Googly said:
Some posters taking this comparison in the wrong way.

1. Amir is getting back to pre-jail standards. That is why i created the post.

2. Fizz has receded due to injury and having just one trick. Fizz may develop but for now,he is not in the top ten.

3. Worlds best pacers?

Starc and Amir equal in my opinion. Starc maybe slightly ahead but not for long if Amir stays fit.

Rabada
Boult
Wood
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amir's action is still very different from his pre-ban days.
 
Sorry
Fizz is not in the same class as Amir.
Fizz is a one trick pony and the trick has been found out.
 
moghul said:
Like comparing Shehzad with Tendular.
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Not really. Shehzad VS Tendulkar is at least debatable, although I agree that Tendulkar is probably better

Fizz VS Amir is not even debatable. No one in their right mind would take Fizz over Amir, even Bangladeshis
 
A more apt comparison of Fizz should be with Imad Wasim.
 
Fizz vs Rumman Raees is a better comparison. Similar type of bowlers who bowl medium pace and rely on variations.
 
No comparison. Even though fizz isn't a world class bowler by any stretch of imagination but he's still five times better than overrated Amir. :yk


Amir is a nothing bowler outside England. In Asia he has an average of 40 in tests. Lol. His records in odis and t20s is quite mediocre too. It Certainly doesn't justify the hype he gets here. Lol.


Even though Amir has been playing for quite some time he still hasn't managed to take a single 5 wicket haul in his career whereas fizz has already taken quite a few fifers in his very short career. This again shows the Gulf in quality between these two bowlers.


I won't even bother comparing fizz's bowling average with Amir here. It's pointless. He thumps one trick pony Amir in every department. :uakmal
 
The Googly said:
Some posters taking this comparison in the wrong way.

1. Amir is getting back to pre-jail standards. That is why i created the post.

2. Fizz has receded due to injury and having just one trick. Fizz may develop but for now,he is not in the top ten.

3. Worlds best pacers?

Starc and Amir equal in my opinion. Starc maybe slightly ahead but not for long if Amir stays fit.

Rabada
Boult
Wood
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Rabada was the fourth worst bowler in the tournament, averaged 116. Clearly a one trick pony who has been found out.
 
The Googly said:
Some posters taking this comparison in the wrong way.

1. Amir is getting back to pre-jail standards. That is why i created the post.

2. Fizz has receded due to injury and having just one trick. Fizz may develop but for now,he is not in the top ten.

3. Worlds best pacers?

Starc and Amir equal in my opinion. Starc maybe slightly ahead but not for long if Amir stays fit.

Rabada
Boult
Wood
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One match, and now Amir is equal to the bowler who won his team a WC.
 
The Googly said:
Some posters taking this comparison in the wrong way.

1. Amir is getting back to pre-jail standards. That is why i created the post.

2. Fizz has receded due to injury and having just one trick. Fizz may develop but for now,he is not in the top ten.

3. Worlds best pacers?

Starc and Amir equal in my opinion. Starc maybe slightly ahead but not for long if Amir stays fit.

Rabada
Boult
Wood
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He's getting back to pre jail standards if by this you mean that he performed in an ICC final. Even up and until the final he was just OK. So, he's clearly a great big game performer, who did something amazing with the ball in that final. But if one performance in such an event is all that it takes to be confirmed as a great player then we can simply not yet say anything for certain about the Fizz, until he takes a big haul at the right moment, or retires. if you on the other hand are willing to admit that regular performance over an extended period of time may also count for something, than one would have to concede that the Fizz is still doing rather well. How many 5fers does Amir have?
 
Sachin136 said:
One match, and now Amir is equal to the bowler who won his team a WC.
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I don't believe Amir has played a WC yet. But winning his team a T20 WC and a CT trophy must surely be a good start.

Starc stands out for more reasons than this. Unless you think Tait was about as good?

What has gone missing in this thread is the very real possibility that is if one wants to compare the best from each country, then we should perhaps be talking about the Fizz vs Hasan.
 
Sachin136 said:
One match, and now Amir is equal to the bowler who won his team a WC.
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A strong stench of sour grapes coming from ALL your posts since the final.


Starc may have won his side a WC, but Amir won his side a T20WC and a CT.


By your own logic Amir >>>> Starc.
 
India and Bangladesh have NEVER in their history have produced a bowler who is even half as good as Amir, let alone Wasim/Waqar/Shoaib/Imran etc, so it is understandable that you lot would have a penchant for overhyping your nobodies.
 
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The Fizz, or whatever it's called, has still alot to do, to be compared with Amir. Remember, Amir is a youngster and he has some heroics in cricket that Fizz could only dream of doing.
 
Fizz will never be able to get Rohit, Kohli (twice), and Dhawan out in an ICC tournament final. Never.

Nothing else needs to be said, really.
 
BDfanforever said:
By this logic, Fakhar is better than Kohli lol.
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If fakhar can end up having an average of 50 in odi after playing over100 odis than obviously he'll be considered as a better batter than kohli because he performed in a world stage.

Amir's name shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence with starc. Starc is currently the best fast bowler in the world across all formats whereas Amir isn't even in the top ten.
 
Coconut said:
If fakhar can end up having an average of 50 in odi after playing over100 odis than obviously he'll be considered as a better batter than kohli because he performed in a world stage.

Amir's name shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence with starc. Starc is currently the best fast bowler in the world across all formats whereas Amir isn't even in the top ten.
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Who is in the top ten ?
 
Syed1 said:
A strong stench of sour grapes coming from ALL your posts since the final.


Starc may have won his side a WC, but Amir won his side a T20WC and a CT.


By your own logic Amir >>>> Starc.
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That's because this victory seems to have gotten to everyone's heads on here.

Starc performed all throughout the world cup. Amir won Pakistan the final. There is a stark difference.
 
Sachin136 said:
That's because this victory seems to have gotten to everyone's heads on here.

Starc performed all throughout the world cup. Amir won Pakistan the final. There is a stark difference.
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what did starc do in the champions trophy ?
 
I ask fellow Bengalis experts to stop using rankings as a form of talent.. Rankings mean nothing.. Amir could be the last bowler in ODI rankings and Kohli could be the first batsman whilstwhile... And we know what happened... I do believe Amir is better talented and skilled than Starc.
 
Square Drive said:
Fizz will never be able to get Rohit, Kohli (twice), and Dhawan out in an ICC tournament final. Never.

Nothing else needs to be said, really.
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How do you know? Mustafizur has never bowled to them in an ICC tournament final.

Taskin and Mustafizur destroyed the Indian top order several times when we toured them.
 
Sachin136 said:
That's because this victory seems to have gotten to everyone's heads on here.

Starc performed all throughout the world cup. Amir won Pakistan the final. There is a stark difference.
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The lowest-ranked team going into the tournament which barely qualified went and won four straight knock-out games to win it; what do you think people will do in reaction, sit and mope? :danish

Obviously there will be some OTT reactions, it's human nature. It's not confined to Pakistan only; on the other side of the border, some Indians have had a complete meltdown about this... many of our Indian friends on this very own forum have been missing since the 18th. :(
 
Coconut said:
If fakhar can end up having an average of 50 in odi after playing over100 odis than obviously he'll be considered as a better batter than kohli because he performed in a world stage.

Amir's name shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence with starc. Starc is currently the best fast bowler in the world across all formats whereas Amir isn't even in the top ten.
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Yeah that is why Starc the best bowler in the world picked up a grand total of 5 wickets in the tournament, 4 of which were in the same match. Starc also bowled 28 of the maximum possible 30 in the 3 matches that Australia played so it's not like rain effected his ability to perform.
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah that is why Starc the best bowler in the world picked up a grand total of 5 wickets in the tournament, 4 of which were in the same match. Starc also bowled 28 of the maximum possible 30 in the 3 matches that Australia played so it's not like rain effected his ability to perform.
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Amir got 5 wickets in 5 matches.
 
Amir's five wickets:

Niroshan Dickwella
Angelo Mathews
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Shikar Dhawan


Starc's five wickets:

Tamim Iqbal
Mehedi Hasan Miraz
Mashrafe Murtaza
Rubel Hossain
Jason Roy


World's best bowler :srt

:salute :salute :salute
 
Amir has a lot of drop catches.. Pakistan have dropping catches off his bowling since his second over on DEBUT on Test cricket..

Just a recap of Amir:

6th delivery on debut: BOWLED
10th delivery on debut: DROPPED
13th delivery on debut: CAUGHT in slips
19th delivery on debut: DROPPED
*and countless other drop catches during 2009-2010, 2016-today

Was Stark or Fizz this unlucky?
 
Pakistan did not lose a series in NZ for 30 years. Australia did not lose a series at home against Pakistan ever. So did it really matter to Amir and Starc if they underperformed in series that had no significance or competitvenss for years?
 
Please the comparison to Fizz is kinda childish. Fizz has yet to perform outside of the Bangladesh mud turfs.
 
Square Drive said:
Feel free to bump this post when he does.
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Okay, although I doubt it. I don't see Bangladesh meeting India in an ICC tournament final anytime soon (not because Bangladesh is not capable of getting to the finals, but because that's a pretty rare scenario).

But in the same sense, McGrath never got Rohit, Kohli and Dhawan out in an ICC tournament final. I'm not sure if that means Amir is better than McGrath.

ManFan said:
Pakistan did not lose a series in NZ for 30 years. Australia did not lose a series at home against Pakistan ever. So did it really matter to Amir and Starc if they underperformed in series that had no significance or competitvenss for years?
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It looks like you're just trolling now. I hope you seriously don't believe that just because Pakistan has never won a series in Australia, it is okay for Amir to underperform there.
 
Sachin136 said:
Okay, although I doubt it. I don't see Bangladesh meeting India in an ICC tournament final anytime soon (not because Bangladesh is not capable of getting to the finals, but because that's a pretty rare scenario).

But in the same sense, McGrath never got Rohit, Kohli and Dhawan out in an ICC tournament final. I'm not sure if that means Amir is better than McGrath.



It looks like you're just trolling now. I hope you seriously don't believe that just because Pakistan has never won a series in Australia, it is okay for Amir to underperform there.
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Doesn't have to be Kohli, Rohit, Dhawan.

Can be any top 3 batsmen.
 
Bhuvi, Fizz, Shami, starc, Haz, bolult, rabada, southe, Anderson all of them r leagues above Amir.

As far as the topic of this thread is concerned, fizz is miles ahead of Amir in both odis and t20s. Can't talk much about test since fizz's sample size in test is quite small.

Best Real Wicket taker: Fizz

Best Imaginary wicket taker : Amir :uakmal
 
Syed1 said:
Amir's five wickets:

Niroshan Dickwella
Angelo Mathews
Rohit Sharma
Virat Kohli
Shikar Dhawan


Starc's five wickets:

Tamim Iqbal
Mehedi Hasan Miraz
Mashrafe Murtaza
Rubel Hossain
Jason Roy


World's best bowler :srt

:salute :salute :salute
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You guys have bragging rights after CT win, but this is getting borderline trolling.

Starc has a WC under his belt and average like 25 in both tests and ODIs.
 
BDfanforever said:
You guys have bragging rights after CT win, but this is getting borderline trolling.

Starc has a WC under his belt and average like 25 in both tests and ODIs.
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Starc isn't even the best bowler in his side let alone the world, living on the past performance of the 2015 WC it seems.
 
manfan said:
pakistan did not lose a series in nz for 30 years. Australia did not lose a series at home against pakistan ever. So did it really matter to amir and starc if they underperformed in series that had no significance or competitvenss for years?
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potw
 
Syed1 said:
Starc isn't even the best bowler in his side let alone the world, living on the past performance of the 2015 WC it seems.
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What are the best performance of amir since his comeback except CT final? If starc is living with 2015 performance then amir is living 2010.
 
MoAamer said:
Someone please!! :yk

"The Fizz" in CT 17: 1-183
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What's ur point? Many world class bowlers went wicket less in many important tournaments in the past. Does that mean they weren't world class?

Fizz has been struggling with his fitness for last 12/13 months. Every player who's recovering from injury goes through a rough patch. It means nothing.

Point is, In odis and t20s fizz is miles ahead of Amir. His unmatched bowling stats speaks for his supremacy.
 
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