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New Zealand (235 & 174) defeat India (263 & 121) by 25 runs in the 3rd Test to complete a memorable 3-0 whitewash

LOL. India lost 10 ranking points.

India now have 111 points. Aussies have 124 points. Gap between #1 and #2 is now quite large.
 
MMHS said:
No - trust me, I slept from 8pm to 12 am today because I knew the game is set on fire. On that track one Ajaz rat riot and there was absolutely no threat from other end - Phillips was just rolling arm in a turning track and he wasn’t accurate either. If there was Shantner, Trust me India won’t have crossed 300 in combined innings.

Rightly so they gave Young MoS & he was the MoM as well for me - this track is that tough.

Difference with PAK track is, PAK tracks are dead slow & low, you can survive time without scoring much. This track was venomous- it turned sharp, kicked of the surface, kept uneven and in Mumbai, ball drifts lot -9 times out of 10 modern batting lineup won’t chase 147 in 4th innings here against two decent finger spinners - that skill is simply not there.
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And Ashwin Anna blamed the 'slow' nature of this pitch last evening for not picking many wickets.

And at the same time he was not confident of winning this game.

I knew he was trying to fool everyone.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Here ya go:


97 vs Pak in 2003 WC where he single handedly took the whole Pak bowling to cleaners.
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Single handidely? He didn't even finish the game? He got out and dravid + Yuvi finished the game? And that game wasn't even a pressure situation.

Easy chase lol.
 
Mamoon said:
No doubt that innings was better than 75% of his centuries. One of the all time great ODI knocks. Made a big target look like child’s play.
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I'm not saying it wasn't a good innings.

But name one innings where Sachin hasn't vanished when the team was in a genuine crises? Cause yuvi and dravid both looked comfortable during that game.

Maxwell's 200 against afghanistan, Miandad's 1986 innings vs India and his 100 etc etc.

All these innings are far superior to anything Sachin has ever done.

Sachin has never actually gotten his team out of a crises situation. 2007 wc is the biggest indicator.
 
New leaders emerge in WTC25 standings following New Zealand's 3-0 whitewash of India

New Zealand completed a 3-0 clean sweep against New Zealand with a thrilling win in the final Test against India in Mumbai.

New Zealand handed India their first-ever whitewash in a series of three or more Tests at home, triumphing over Rohit Sharma's side by 25 runs at Wankhede Stadium.

As a result of the loss, India lost their top spot in the World Test Championship standings and dropped to second place. As the Border-Gavaskar series approaches, Australia now holds the top spot.

New Zealand, meanwhile, regained the fourth spot they lost to South Africa after the Proteas whitewashed Bangladesh earlier this week.

After choosing to bat first in the final Test, New Zealand managed to post a total of 235 in their first innings, thanks to an improved showing from the Indian bowlers. Only four New Zealand batters reached double figures, with Will Young (71) and Daryl Mitchell (82) striking important half-centuries.

Continuing the series trend, the spinners were the main threat, with Ravindra Jadeja claiming a five-wicket haul, well-supported by Washington Sundar’s four-for.

India seemed to be cruising toward stumps at 78/1, but a strange 15-minute stretch – including a run-out by Virat Kohli in an attempt to steal a quick single – left the hosts ending the day at 86/4.

On Day 2, Shubman Gill (90) and Rishabh Pant (60) decided to fight fire with fire and put India back into the game with a crucial 96-run stand while notching up half-centuries of their own. Washington Sundar’s unbeaten 38 off 36 proved to be vital in India gaining a slender 28-run lead.

With Mitchell Santner absent from the team, left-arm spinner Ajaz Patel rose to the occasion, delivering a five-wicket haul for New Zealand.

In response, Will Young once again led the way for New Zealand with a patient 51, though support from his teammates was sparse. Jadeja tore through the lineup, picking up his second five-wicket haul of the match and bringing his tally to 10 wickets. Ashwin, who had gone wicketless in the first innings, chipped in with three wickets this time around.

Needing 147 runs to avoid a whitewash, India’s top order faltered once again, quickly losing half their side for just 29 runs. Rishabh Pant, unflustered by the situation, unleashed a flurry of shots to bring up his half-century in just 48 balls.

He first formed a 42-run partnership with Jadeja and then added 35 runs with Washington Sundar. However, Ajaz Patel halted the onslaught and completed his second five-for of the game with a stunning delivery that clipped Pant’s inside edge and lobbed into the keeper’s hands.

The runs dried up after Pant’s departure and New Zealand soon ran through the rest of the lineup to inflict a series whitewash on India in India for the first time since South Africa's 2-0 win in 1999-2000.

ICC
 
Mamoon said:
No doubt that innings was better than 75% of his centuries. One of the all time great ODI knocks. Made a big target look like child’s play.
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That 97 vs Pak was a faultless innings, all class, his on drive vs Wasim a photo moment.

I do agree though SRTs is slightly overrated in ODIs.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Why are you trying to convince me of what you or other New Zealanders prefer ? Lacking context

Is it because I claimed BGT was bigger win than World Cup?
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Purists and fans might prefer this, Im talking purely in a numbers and interest POV.
 
Aman said:
Purists and fans might prefer this, Im talking purely in a numbers and interest POV.
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That's obvious because Test cricket is anyway dead everywhere outside of the Big 3.

From a numbers and interest POV, even IPL finals probably has more interest than random Test series.

This is a historic series win for NZ and NZ have never won a World Cup.

So we can't really compare anyway.
 
You guys need to stop derailing the thread by talking about Sachin and past players. Talk about the game or find another thread for your irrelevant posts.
 
Rohit Sharma speaking at the post-match presentation ceremony after India's 0-3 series loss against New Zealand:

About the series against Australia

"Not sure whether I will be going, fingers crossed."

"We made a lot of mistakes and we will have to accept it. We did not put enough runs on the board in the 1st innings (in Bengaluru and Pune) and we were behind in the game, here, we got a 30-run lead, we thought we were ahead, the target was achievable as well, and we had to do better though. You want runs on the board as well, that is something that was there in my mind."

"You have got to be ahead and be proactive, we have been playing on such pitches in the last 3-4 years, we know how to play (and play well). But this series, it did not come off and that is going to hurt. Also, I was not at my best with both bat and as a captain, that is something that will rankle me. But, we did not perform well collectively and that is the reason for these losses."
 
First up well done NZ for a tremendous 3-0 series victory. Ind was totally outplayed. Some deadwood in that Ind batting order. Very clinical win by NZ.

Ind batting in the 2nd innings was shambles. Wasn't sn unplayable track at all. Pant showed that. Washington showed that. Washington was actually pretty comfortable. But he came late and lost partners. He should have come ahead of jadeja.

Ok so where does Ind stand now? Ind hasn't become a bad team overnight despite the hyperbole. But they have to introspect. They can go with a defeatist attitude and lose to Aus badly. Or take it as a great opportunity to do something really special. If you are rohit and kohli- think one last chance to do something really special. Take it as a challenge and embrace it. Ind fate still in its own hands- however tough it may be. Either way the BGT will be the last for rohit kohli jadeja. Ash and jadeja are still a force on Ind tracks irrespective of this 3-0 loss. Its the batting that let Ind down. So - time to step up or get beaten badly by Aus and get dropped in ignominy.
 
I don't want this series to end and I crave 1 more test on another raging turner.
This time with the NZ attack consisting of Santner, Ajaz, Bracewell, Phillips, Henry.
NZ have been so absorbing to watch in India.
 
At last, NZ visiting both Bangladesh and Sri Lanka prior to visiting India has helped them immensely. Its amazing how calmly they thrashed an ATG Indian team at their own home.
 
BDfanforever said:
At last, NZ visiting both Bangladesh and Sri Lanka prior to visiting India has helped them immensely. Its amazing how calmly they thrashed an ATG Indian team at their own home.
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This was never an ATG Indian team.

This Indian team couldn't win a Test series in England, South Africa, and New Zealand. They also won just one ICC trophy in the last 11 years. ATG teams (like the Aussies from 2000's and Windies from 80's) generally have more successes.

Nonetheless, great turnaround from NZ. They were poor in Sri Lanka.
 
sweep_shot said:
This was never an ATG Indian team.

This Indian team couldn't win a Test series in England, South Africa, and New Zealand. They also won just one ICC trophy in the last 11 years. ATG teams (like the Aussies from 2000's and Windies from 80's) generally have more successes.

Nonetheless, great turnaround from NZ. They were poor in Sri Lanka.
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Those are GOAT teams.. not ATG, no team from South Asia will ever be GOAT
 
mominsaigol said:
No offence, But Indians overglorify themselves and their celebrities more then anyone else on the planet.
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Its not even in cricket but in each & every small achievement in any other sport and any other occasions other than any sports. Indians are like that only, they likes celebrating for every small things
 
Jazx said:
Its not even in cricket but in each & every small achievement in any other sport and any other occasions other than any sports. Indians are like that only, they likes celebrating for every small things
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I'm aware
 
Romali_rotti said:
That 97 vs Pak was a faultless innings, all class, his on drive vs Wasim a photo moment.

I do agree though SRTs is slightly overrated in ODIs.
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Overrated in Test cricket is well. He holds no records that are not dependent on number of matches played.

If he was the second greatest Test batsman after Don, he would have had the second highest average, highest Test score, most runs in a calendar year, multiple series with 500+ runs.

These records reflect actual dominance and superiority over others.
 
Jazx said:
Its not even in cricket but in each & every small achievement in any other sport and any other occasions other than any sports. Indians are like that only, they likes celebrating for every small things
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“Like that only”

This use of the word “only” cracks me up every time lol
 
Mamoon said:
Overrated in Test cricket is well. He holds no records that are not dependent on number of matches played.

If he was the second greatest Test batsman after Don, he would have had the second highest average, highest Test score, most runs in a calendar year, multiple series with 500+ runs.

These records reflect actual dominance and superiority over others.
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Nah.

Having an avg of over 50 throughout his whole career after playing so many matches shows he is the second greatest of all time.

You gotta be once in a lifetime player to consistently play well to be in the side for so long, you see the slumps so many great players had after playing so long and never recover which is still not as long as SRT played.
 
When I watch Ind, I think they have been sucked in by their own PR and Baz ball. The strength of Ind batsman is their technique and intelligence and both have gone to pot. Is it the desperation to get the big IPL contracts by playing ultra positive? What is it.
 
Bewal Express said:
When I watch Ind, I think they have been sucked in by their own PR and Baz ball. The strength of Ind batsman is their technique and intelligence and both have gone to pot. Is it the desperation to get the big IPL contracts by playing ultra positive? What is it.
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No we were not good enough as simple as that, Kohli and Sharma were weak spots and Ash had a weak home series after eons.
 
LegendAli said:
Don't try to change the subject, talk about what I wrote, face the music first.
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I did ,now define laughing stock?

Going to finals and losing, or losing to US/Afghanistan?

Whitewashed by Kiwis or whitewashed by Bangladeshis.
 
As its written, whenever an Indian or India as a nation engages in hubris they always fall flat on their face and get humiliated.

When Bangladesh white washed Pakistan, players like Ashwin and other indians started showing a lot of pity towards Pakistan and were wondering how Pakistan cricket is dying.

And then when India beat Bangladesh, they started talking about Australia series even before the kiwi series started as if it was a foregone conclusion.

Thats why God gives people only what they can sustain. Indians are too arrogant to get constant Ws, thats why they will always get their Ws in pieces. They will never be a true dominant cricketing force.
 
Jazx said:
Its not even in cricket but in each & every small achievement in any other sport and any other occasions other than any sports. Indians are like that only, they likes celebrating for every small things
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Possibly Becoz they have numerous achievements worldwide & repeated achievements, check CEO's of top firms & are top gems when it comes to IT tech....
Whereas For certain others full form of IT is something else & not info tech ....U strayed outside this match & series....it's only fair you get some in return...
 
Slim said:
As its written, whenever an Indian or India as a nation engages in hubris they always fall flat on their face and get humiliated.

When Bangladesh white washed Pakistan, players like Ashwin and other indians started showing a lot of pity towards Pakistan and were wondering how Pakistan cricket is dying.

And then when India beat Bangladesh, they started talking about Australia series even before the kiwi series started as if it was a foregone conclusion.

Thats why God gives people only what they can sustain. Indians are too arrogant to get constant Ws, thats why they will always get their Ws in pieces. They will never be a true dominant cricketing force.
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Yes. This is a very good observation and assessment.

Some Indian fans were (and still is) full of hubris. Hubris is never a good thing and is a recipe for disaster.
 
Adam Gilchrist made a stunning remark on the Indian cricket team, after their 0-3 defeat against New Zealand in a three-match Test series, he said:

"It does (have an impact), more for the Indian players and the Indian team internally. They have to be asking themselves pretty hard questions."

"I’m not expecting them to come out and be easy beats, but I do think on the back of that loss and the fact that it was a clean sweep — I cannot remember when that’s happened to them, just losing a series, let alone a clean sweep — I think that will raise some questions internally and the pressure and the expectation and the desire from a passionate cricketing nation to see that change around, that’ll ride heavily on those shoulders of all those players,"

"There are a few ageing players there who may start to even second guess themselves a little bit. There’s some high class cricketers in that Indian squad. It’s going to be fascinating to see how they rebound from that challenge,"
 
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