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New Zealand (235 & 174) defeat India (263 & 121) by 25 runs in the 3rd Test to complete a memorable 3-0 whitewash

JaDed said:
The best visiting teams in my lifetime:
Aus -2004, Eng 2012, and this .. hopefully this brings about the much needed changes
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2012 series defeat led to dropping Sehwag, Gambhir etc. Not sure if this series will throw Rohit and Kohli out.
 
mominsaigol said:
Trolling from aus side however the reason I bring up 2017 is because no team in history has lost a final by 180 runs lol and that too from a side that wasn't even suppose to be in Ct in the first place.

That's a record that must stay
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Yeah .. there have been lot of records in last 6 months too so hopefully your team whoever it is Aus Pak can give you more to cheer.
 
mango_bite77 said:
2012 series defeat led to dropping Sehwag, Gambhir etc. Not sure if this series will throw Rohit and Kohli out.
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Hopefully does, we always did well after such series lol but 3-0 is a new low for us.. and honestly it’s not that we are that bad a team but we have been thrashed by a much better prepared team.
 
mango_bite77 said:
Just giving the reality check to Indian. i know Sachin was the best batter in world, but at the same time Kallis as batter was not that far, and that should be kept in mind when comparing any TDH like Ash with Kallis.
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Sachin is overrated bro. He's a fantastic batter but his key metric is longetivity.

Throughout his 24 year career he

A) Wasn't able to win a single cup for India and 2011 was won without his input. At beat maybe you can give him credit for pakistan win after being dropped 4 times and missed run outs and stumpings.

B) Single handidely lost the asia cup 2012 game against Bangladesh

C) Went missing during big events, most notably 2003 wc.

D) As a captain he turned India into a total minnow.

E) Was a cheater and ball tamperer but Indian mafia forced icc to reverse his ban.

F) Only 2x has he actually managed to be the top scorer/ run getter of the year.

His biggest achievements are mostly in test cricket. In odi he's a stat padder more often then not.
 
Aman said:
Bro idk what happens to Kane.

Imagine sitting out and missing out on this.

Rachin be may the guy now.
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He played one of the best innings on Indian soil after KP, set a decisive tone.
 
JaDed said:
Yeah .. there have been lot of records in last 6 months too so hopefully your team whoever it is Aus Pak can give you more to cheer.
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I won't support Pakistan until and unless they manage to get rid of this current clown circus. And if they do, Pak will only be my 2nd favourite of it happens.

But ik it won't happen. SNGPL, Misbah and rizwan are 3 circus clowns.

Pakistan and India are now my favourite teams to hate. India mostly due to its rubbish fans. Pakistan mostly due to Misbah influence although their fans are also just as bad.
 
Jashan da time aagya pher toun hahaha.
Thank you New Zealand!!
Now all arrogant Indian fans can go to their caves.
It's always good to see arrogant fans getting humbled.
 
Tactically smart kiwis expose Indian weaknesses.

As long as India were winning likes of Kohli and Ro got a free ride now it's time for some clean up before BGT.

India C side won last tour in Aus why can't they do it again with all of Starc Cummins Lyon and Hazlewood 4 years older
 
What a pathetic and horrendous batting by Indian overrated batsmen.

If this does not make selectors drop Kohli and Rohit for good, I don’t know what will.

It’s a difficult pitch, but as world class players, they are expected to weather the pitch and put on match winning performances. They chickened out spectacularly

Gill is overrated as hell. He is a glorified ftb. Sarfraz is a sitting duck if the ball turns or moves. The entire top and middle order is a joke barring Pant and Kaiswal to some extent.

By now BCCI must’ve known that these Indian batsmen can’t play spin. Time to roll out slow turners rather than vicious turners. Even Glenn Philips is unplayable on these surfaces. Such pitches nullify home advantage and makes it complete lottery considering Indian batsmen can’t play spin.

Lastly, India played 2 pacers knowing the surface while Axar Patel was warming the bench. Whoever is selecting the team and playing XI must be fired. Anyone with an ounce of cricketing knowledge can see that pacers are useless on these wickets.

You cannot win test matches with just 1 performing batsmen and a bunch of clowns at the top. All rounders can’t save you in every test. Without all rounders contributing significantly with the bat, India may have lost to BD as well.
 
JaDed said:
Hopefully does, we always did well after such series lol but 3-0 is a new low for us.. and honestly it’s not that we are that bad a team but we have been thrashed by a much better prepared team.
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Much prepared team against spin vs washed up seniors who cant even stay to stop the momentum.
 
Aman said:
Not going to lie. I thought the exact same thing.

Young seems to score when we need it most.
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Underrated batsman. Rarely gets to play but makes it count whenever he does. He is very unlucky because if it wasn’t for Kane, he would be the de facto number 3 in all formats.
 
White wash in a 3 Test away series is rare and this one is definitely among the greatest ever achievements in Test cricket history. Well played Kiwis- to think that they were without Will throughout the series and played last Test with like 9 men & Shantner, Southee also missing.

Two regulation skiers dropped & they didn’t review Pant LBW, still …… this will give touring sides hope for future Indian tours. The key seems to be -
1. Three accurate finger spinners and no leggi
2. No hit the deck fast bowlers - take couple who can swing the ball from length
3. Positive batting - Indian spinners will hunt one by one if you try to stay at the wicket. Make the game shorter
4. Don’t try to to tie Indian batting - this is not the batting of 25 years who can stay in wicket for sessions. days. Keep attacking and they’ll perish one by one keeping a run rate over 4
5. Hold catches & do homework on DRS - these are massively turning tracks, one needs to know how much the ball is turning before taking DRS
6. Win toss - no alternative. I believe series could have been 2-1 or even 3-0 had India won last two tosses or didn’t call wrong at Bangalore.

Great, great series to watch - more worthy that whatever T20 I had seen in my life time. Nothing comes close to a tight fought Test match.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sachin is overrated bro. He's a fantastic batter but his key metric is longetivity.

Throughout his 24 year career he

A) Wasn't able to win a single cup for India and 2011 was won without his input. At beat maybe you can give him credit for pakistan win after being dropped 4 times and missed run outs and stumpings.

B) Single handidely lost the asia cup 2012 game against Bangladesh

C) Went missing during big events, most notably 2003 wc.

D) As a captain he turned India into a total minnow.

E) Was a cheater and ball tamperer but Indian mafia forced icc to reverse his ban.

F) Only 2x has he actually managed to be the top scorer/ run getter of the year.

His biggest achievements are mostly in test cricket. In odi he's a stat padder more often then not.
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Sachin may have extended his career to reach the milestone of 100 centuries, but overall, he was an outstanding player in both formats.

It’s true he didn’t win a World Cup alone, but his contributions in 2011 were crucial, and without his support, India might not have secured the title. In 2003, he scored over 600 runs in the World Cup, including a memorable innings against the legendary trio of Akhtar, Waqar, and Akram.

In fact, he’s the only player to have scored more than 2,000 runs in World Cups—a testament to his consistency, which in itself is a skill, especially across multiple tournaments.

As for why India didn’t win more during his peak years (1996–2004), the team lacked strong, reliable batters in the middle order, particularly at No. 4 and No. 5. Once they found stability with Yuvraj Singh, it helped set the stage for their 2011 World Cup victory.
 
MMHS said:
White wash in a 3 Test away series is rare and this one is definitely among the greatest ever achievements in Test cricket history. Well played Kiwis- to think that they were without Will throughout the series and played last Test with like 9 men & Shantner, Southee also missing.

Two regulation skiers dropped & they didn’t review Pant LBW, still …… this will give touring sides hope for future Indian tours. The key seems to be -
1. Three accurate finger spinners and no leggi
2. No hit the deck fast bowlers - take couple who can swing the ball from length
3. Positive batting - Indian spinners will hunt one by one if you try to stay at the wicket. Make the game shorter
4. Don’t try to to tie Indian batting - this is not the batting of 25 years who can stay in wicket for sessions. days. Keep attacking and they’ll perish one by one keeping a run rate over 4
5. Hold catches & do homework on DRS - these are massively turning tracks, one needs to know how much the ball is turning before taking DRS
6. Win toss - no alternative. I believe series could have been 2-1 or even 3-0 had India won last two tosses or didn’t call wrong at Bangalore.

Great, great series to watch - more worthy that whatever T20 I had seen in my life time. Nothing comes close to a tight fought Test match.
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Don't quite agree with 6th point.

Both the pitches in 2nd and 3rd test were turning from ball 1 and games finished in 3 days means both sides got to play in more or less the same batting conditions
 
Ahmed216 said:
Don't quite agree with 6th point.

Both the pitches in 2nd and 3rd test were turning from ball 1 and games finished in 3 days means both sides got to play in more or less the same batting conditions
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Chasing in such conditions is not the same..
 
This is baffling, NZ tried very hard to lose this test, they dropped Gill and Pant 2nd innings, Rachin+Mithcell threw away their wickets 3rd innings through rash shots.
 
shah_1 said:
Kohli had a great purple patch for 5 to 6 years otherwise he is a good batsman only @Mamoon

He shouldn't be compared with Root or Smith
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Kohli has been a bang average Test batsman outside the 2015-2019 period. He has less than 10k runs by the age of 35 and if he is not dropped, his average will drop below 45 at this rate.

He was once part of the Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting category but now he is below the likes of Inzamam and Yousuf in the Test format.
 
If this isn't a wake-up call for India, I don't know what will be. Kohli and Rohit are finished. The inexperienced guys like Jaiswal, Gill, Pant already have it hard enough, without them having to carry the weight of two senior players too. It's time to be brave and cut them loose. Instead of letting them continue to play on their reputations.

Had alot of expectations from Kohli but gotta say he has really disappointed and declined in recent years. I wouldn't even put him in the Top 5 of great Indian batters now.
 
This is a proper :butt whipping by any visiting team in my memory. England under Cook couldn’t whitewash India. But this kiwi team with not much expectations did it with ease.

Well played kiwis. Australia will bully these chicken hearted batsmen soon. All Indian fans must get ready for a rough coming 2 months.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli has been a bang average Test batsman outside the 2015-2019 period. He has less than 10k runs by the age of 35 and if he is not dropped, his average will drop below 45 at this rate.

He was once part of the Lara, Tendulkar, Ponting category but now he is below the likes of Inzamam and Yousuf in the Test format.
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He is nowhere close to the Inzi/MoYo category.

He is in the MS Dhoni / Gautam Gambhir category at best.
 
kingusama92 said:
The guy has always been underappreciated. One of India's greatest cricketing minds and people.
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He tried to get our preparation on par with SENA by using advanced metrics to prepare for opponents which RoKo/Shastri etc. were completely oblivious to.

And there was a plan to implement that at the domestic level etc.

Team India used only shot type data to plan earlier. It was that backward

Current TM hasn't continued with that. I thought GG would bring his own guys to work on that but he hasn't . Just another "vibes" coach.
 
shah_1 said:
Kohli had a great purple patch for 5 to 6 years otherwise he is a good batsman only @Mamoon

He shouldn't be compared with Root or Smith
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Kohli was done over 2 yrs ago. BCCI can’t drop him just like they couldn’t drop Dhoni. Individuals wield a lot of power in Indian cricket.
 
India has 10 Tests coming in Australia & England. With the spinners declining fast, no Shami, Bumrah getting older and struggling to keep fitness… and batting looking fragile; if Sharma holds on to captaincy (means he plays) - I’m afraid India is heading towards 2010-11 period.
 
mango_bite77 said:
Sachin may have extended his career to reach the milestone of 100 centuries, but overall, he was an outstanding player in both formats.





It’s true he didn’t win a World Cup alone, but his contributions in 2011 were crucial, and without his support, India might not have secured the title. In 2003, he scored over 600 runs in the World Cup, including a memorable innings against the legendary trio of Akhtar, Waqar, and Akram.





In fact, he’s the only player to have scored more than 2,000 runs in World Cups—a testament to his consistency, which in itself is a skill, especially across multiple tournaments.





As for why India didn’t win more during his peak years (1996–2004), the team lacked strong, reliable batters in the middle order, particularly at No. 4 and No. 5. Once they found stability with Yuvraj Singh, it helped set the stage for their 2011 World Cup victory.
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His contributions in 2011 were not crucial with the exception of maybe the game against pakistan and honestly pakistan lost that game. So many drop chances + Misbah rubbish.

Infact the only 2 centuries Sachin scored that cup resulted in a tie and a loss for India lol. In every other game he was rubbish.

The rest is frankly an excuse that I've heard dozens of dozens of times. If you have the God of cricket with you then it shouldn't be an issue. This is why Bradman is the true God of cricket. Aus never lost once under him excluding the bodyline chest series.

2003 is fine, but as I said it's still a stat pad.

Name one actual memorable innings in cups from Sachin and I'm not talking about runs.

Even the likes of Maxwell has an iconic 200 against afghanistan. Sachin wouldn't have ever achieved such a feat, He ironically was in a similar position in the 2007 wc but couldn't do anything. Infact that innings was so bad since he kept taking singles and giving the strike to the fragile tail.

Sachin is as overrated as anyone else in India.

In terms of runs, Centuries, records and all that, he's no 1, no doubt and the fact that he remained consistent whereas the likes of kohli, Smith and many others dwindled is an impressive achievement.

However he is by far the most overrated cricketer of all time. Had he been born in any other country, Everyone would share the same testament towards him.

An amazing batsmen but it doesn't change the fact that he was a ball tampering selfish batsmen. Not once was he able to single handidely win games.

Even Miandad has that iconic 1986 win against India, and yet all Indians don't acknowledge Miandad as a batter despite the fact that specific innings is better then anything Sachin has ever achieved in his odi career.

Not saying Miandad > Sachin but you get the gist
 
NZ part time spinners are way better than our Mehidy, Taijul, etc. This should be bigger than WTC cup they won. Congratulations to all NZ fans.
 
Yes !! 3-0 !@ despite umpires favouring India non stop and ridiculous pitches suited to india.

Great moment for NZ cricket!
 
MMHS said:
India has 10 Tests coming in Australia & England. With the spinners declining fast, no Shami, Bumrah getting older and struggling to keep fitness… and batting looking fragile; if Sharma holds on to captaincy (means he plays) - I’m afraid India is heading towards 2010-11 period.
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Could become a 13-match losing streak.
 
neonoir said:
Did India the nation of 100 million spinners just get bowled out by a wicketkeeper?
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I remember even SA opening batsmen rolling their arm and bullying Indian batsmen a few years ago. So Philips is not an exception. He is the norm.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Don't quite agree with 6th point.

Both the pitches in 2nd and 3rd test were turning from ball 1 and games finished in 3 days means both sides got to play in more or less the same batting conditions
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It’s the pressure of batting second. In a seemers teack, even if the conditions remains identical, it’s difficult to bat first. Opposite on spinners track - regardless of the wicket conditions remain same, it’s tougher to bat second. Besides, in both Test, the best batting conditions were the first two sessions of Day 1 & Kiwis batted that time. Credit to them, they made best uses of that, but it does help batting first in India.
 
its not going to be easy for India to replace prime kohli and rohit .. India had stellar run in last 10 years mostly because of these two
 
MMHS said:
India has 10 Tests coming in Australia & England. With the spinners declining fast, no Shami, Bumrah getting older and struggling to keep fitness… and batting looking fragile; if Sharma holds on to captaincy (means he plays) - I’m afraid India is heading towards 2010-11 period.
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But that's not a good sign for BD either. Our front line spinners got absolutely smashed by same team.
 
JaDed said:
What you want us to say? We have ridiculed our heroes for the series wnat them out lol
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You lot were the same people who mocked me for claiming classic aus > Current India.

With the exception of a few Amazing Indian posters who I respect on this forumn, everyone else was rubbish and far up their behind filled with ego.

I told you all 2024 India doesn't have a good batting lineup and it's simply good bowling or bust for india. Eventually that bubble would have burst but you lit didn't listen.

Indian posters are the most delusional and toxic posters I've ever met. Not only do they believe that every ton dick and Harry that has ever played for them is an automatic ATG, their also trolls.

For example I've seen old posts talking asking for pakistan to be named from cricket in totality for spot fixing, When in reality what Azhar did (got his biopic made lol) is far greater then anything butt has ever done internationally, Similarly the same is for Sachin, Indians hate Warner and smith yet Sachin was a far bigger ball tamperer and if it wasn't for the indian mafia, He'd have been banned for life.

It's amazing how A country with the 5th largest economy has only ever produced 2 to 3 good pacer on the planet aka Bumrah and a few others and have produced medicore rubbish spinners who get dropped overseas and get exposed by the likes of satner since Indian pitches are curated for spin.

The country is home to some of the best batters of all time but even those batters are highly overrated.

Sorry to say this, But Indians really do deserve this reality check.
 
Aman said:
A WC win would be national news everywhere. We won a series in India and it wasn't anywhere as big as the team making the WC Final.
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Why are you trying to convince me of what you or other New Zealanders prefer ? Lacking context

Is it because I claimed BGT was bigger win than World Cup?
 
sweep_shot said:
Could become a 13-match losing streak.
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Indian cricket always needs these major losses to kick out non performers and pensioners in the team.

I remember when Cook’s English team bullied India with Monty, it led to the retirement of Sehwag, Gambhir, Zaheer Khan etc.
 
Indians were a little bit unlucky. The Bumrah factor made a big difference.

According to Indian fans he bowled too well in the first two tests. His bowling was so good that it unluckily it swung and seamed too much and the rules of cricket which are not made for excellent bowlers like him rendered it redundant.

Had he just been an ordinary bowler India could have won these matches.
 
sweep_shot said:
Could become a 13-match losing streak.
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13 could be a stress of imagination but it can be very ugly. These days not many Tests end in draws hence without weather interference all 10 Tests should end in direct results, but 10-0 is unthinkable….. unless Bumrah cracks his shoulder by MCG.

India plays better in Australia & poor in England, but I believe by the time they reach UK, after Australia tour….. there will be significant changes in personals. Sharma is biased towards Jadeja & Ashwin - just denied Sundar few cheap wickets by not bowling him towards Kiwi tail; but the spin pair is declining fast - if Sharma goes, so does both in away Test, that’s a positive actually.
 
Serious surgery is required now to show fight atleast against aus in bgt now.Does selection committee and coach have any guts to do changes for the squad and fix it ?
 

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MMHS said:
It’s the pressure of batting second. In a seemers teack, even if the conditions remains identical, it’s difficult to bat first. Opposite on spinners track - regardless of the wicket conditions remain same, it’s tougher to bat second. Besides, in both Test, the best batting conditions were the first two sessions of Day 1 & Kiwis batted that time. Credit to them, they made best uses of that, but it does help batting first in India.
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Do you think a more confident and winning Indian side would have gone past 147? It's such a low score.

NZ batters succumbing to Jadeja in 3rd innings is understandable
 
BDfanforever said:
But that's not a good sign for BD either. Our front line spinners got absolutely smashed by same team.
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BD batsman were not competitive like kiwi batsman. They gave up when the pressure was on.

IMO, BD has better bowling than NZ for Indian pitches. But their batting let them down massively.
 
BDfanforever said:
But that's not a good sign for BD either. Our front line spinners got absolutely smashed by same team.
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It’s about confidence- BD players mentality can’t compete with India & opposite for India - they don’t believe that BD (or STL) can compete with them. That mindset counts for lot - first thing Kiwis did right here is that they were not sacred of tussling with.

BD spinners were man handled by SAF as well, so it’s not about India only.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Do you think a more confident and winning Indian side would have gone past 147? It's such a low score.

NZ batter succumbing to Jadeja in 3rd innings is understandable
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No - trust me, I slept from 8pm to 12 am today because I knew the game is set on fire. On that track one Ajaz rat riot and there was absolutely no threat from other end - Phillips was just rolling arm in a turning track and he wasn’t accurate either. If there was Shantner, Trust me India won’t have crossed 300 in combined innings.

Rightly so they gave Young MoS & he was the MoM as well for me - this track is that tough.

Difference with PAK track is, PAK tracks are dead slow & low, you can survive time without scoring much. This track was venomous- it turned sharp, kicked of the surface, kept uneven and in Mumbai, ball drifts lot -9 times out of 10 modern batting lineup won’t chase 147 in 4th innings here against two decent finger spinners - that skill is simply not there.
 
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