New Zealand cricket team's remarkable rise since 2015

[Bhaijaan]

Remarkable how NZ, a country of such low population and limited human resource has made such massive strides in Cricket. They have improved their W/L ratio significantly against all nations except the Big 2 in the last 10 years of Cricket. No wonder during this period they won an ICC Test Championship, and were runner ups 4 times in an ICC tournament (CWC 2015, CWC 2019, ICC WT20 2021, ICC CT 2025)

Hats off New Zealand Cricket.
Every cricket board must study their improvements and try to follow their footsteps.

S.No	Opposition	W/L till 31 Dec 2014	W/L since 01 Jan 2015	Difference
1	West Indies	0.869	5.666	4.797
2	Bangladesh	3.375	4.000	0.626
3	Sri Lanka	1.019	2.916	1.897
4	Pakistan	0.595	1.615	1.020
5	South Africa	0.397	1.000	0.603
6	England	0.574	0.730	0.156
7	India	0.859	0.656	-0.203
8	Australia	0.362	0.344	-0.018

 

[Bad Boy of Cricket]

Once they were our bunnies and now we have become theirs.

 

[Bhaijaan]

NZ has totally turned the tables on Pakistan, West Indies and have balanced it out against South Africans.

Practically speaking, NZ seem to have taken South Africa’s position in world cricket.

NZ is to cricket today what South Africa was in late 90s , early 2000s

 

[Hawkeye]

They have certainly improved.

But they still choke when it matters - tournaments.

 

[Bhaijaan]

They have certainly improved.

But they still choke when it matters - tournaments.

I think if they continue to uphold very high levels, they might get breakthroughs. Australia is the only genuine bogey team for them right now as they seem to have a little brother complex against them. Apart from that they have no demons beating anyone anywhere right now. We had a huge advantage against them in CT final everyone knows that.

 

[IAJ]

NZ certainly love to post 300+ runs against Pakistan. Have been happening quite often of late.

 

[Varun]

They are a team and a nation that throws the population argument out of the window.

 

[Kianig89]

Too much talent they are becoming Barcelona of mid 2000s

Rachin/ Allen
Young/Conway
Kane
Mitchell
Latham
Phillips/ Chapman
Bracewell/Abbas
Santner/ Sodhi
Henry/ Ferguson
ORourke/Duffy
Sears/Smith
==============

Still missing some players that's 18-20 A class players

 

[hassan918]

They must have a great system. They are doing incredibly with the limited number of players they have.

 

[jamie smith fan]

They must have a great system. They are doing incredibly with the limited number of players they have.

Helps when there is no nepotism and merit based selections.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Incredible depth of talent.

Also what amazing attitude and professionalism.

 

[Kianig89]

Incredible depth of talent.

Also what amazing attitude and professionalism.

They are shifting from conventional ways of batting and fielding in cricket, now incredible awareness to do power hitting at the same time covering the stumps and wrestlers type training to ensure fitness for top notch fielding , whereas Pakistan player still stuck on batting with 1 pad in nets.

 

[Bhaijaan]

They are shifting from conventional ways of batting and fielding in cricket, now incredible awareness to do power hitting at the same time covering the stumps and wrestlers type training to ensure fitness for top notch fielding , whereas Pakistan player still stuck on batting with 1 pad in nets.

They’re the fittest and strongest team physically. They got super human athletes in their side and some powerful hitters and express pacers. They got it all and it’s scary. Now they have immigrant batters like Rachin and Abbas too. I reckon more will come

New Zealand are going to stay a force in cricket for another 10 years minimum. By force i mean continuously being among the major tournament contenders for the next 10 years apart from dishing out phainty to the mid table and bottom ranked teams on a regular basis in bilateral cricket. They will keep pushing Bharat. They will keep beating South Africa. They have to overcome their Australia complex. They dropped a few finals to them and can’t afford to do more of that.

 

[mominsaigol]

I was thinking, Even Australia currently are struggling to fulfil some of their gaps such as finding a decent replacement for Warner in test cricket or replacements for their bowling trio of Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood.

However NZ seems to have all their bases covered.

They keep finding solid if not better replacements then their current crop of players. For example will o rouke ended up being a better replacement then even lockie ferguson.

The likes of Rachin Ravindra and Now Muhammad Abass look more then ready to replace the likes of Conway and Darly Mitchell in the near future.

It's crazy how a country with only 5M population count and a country thays completly dependent upon Australia for almost all of its resources related to international affairs and trade is currently producing better bench strength then Australia itself in terms of cricket.

 

[kron]

Too much talent they are becoming Barcelona of mid 2000s

Rachin/ Allen
Young/Conway
Kane
Mitchell
Latham
Phillips/ Chapman
Bracewell/Abbas
Santner/ Sodhi
Henry/ Ferguson
ORourke/Duffy
Sears/Smith
==============

Still missing some players that's 18-20 A class players

Barring Henry Mitchell and sears that looks mediocre as. Still probably their greatest ever team but it’s nothing special. Not enough to win a icc event imo.

 

[kron]

They’re the fittest and strongest team physically. They got super human athletes in their side and some powerful hitters and express pacers. They got it all and it’s scary. Now they have immigrant batters like Rachin and Abbas too. I reckon more will come

New Zealand are going to stay a force in cricket for another 10 years minimum. By force i mean continuously being among the major tournament contenders for the next 10 years apart from dishing out phainty to the mid table and bottom ranked teams on a regular basis in bilateral cricket. They will keep pushing Bharat. They will keep beating South Africa. They have to overcome their Australia complex. They dropped a few finals to them and can’t afford to do more of that.

Yes because they get imports from South Africa, now India and Pakistan too. Actually they always had some desire imports and South African imports

Some Aussie imports too

I wouldn’t say physically strongest team. No that’s not true

But definitely the worlds fittest tesm

They have level 20 average in yo yo tests

For comparison Australia is level 19

India is 17 and Pakistan is actually 17.5 plus to 18

South Africa too are 18.
Yo yo only goes up to 21 level

So yes nz are the fittest team. Physically strongest? No not necessarily. Weight room lifting does not equate to functional strength

Raw power and lifting is a bit different. Sure if they do functional exercises then yes it would make a difference but unless they do strong man or Olympic weight lifting exercises like snatch and press etc then it doesn’t really say much about their actual strength.

 

[ads101]

Professional team who prioritise fitness, strength training and fielding. They look to maximise the talent they actually have from a small talent pool rather than desperately trying to “search for talent”

It’s happening in all sports as a whole. Professionalism, increased fitness is dominating. A good example is football where the older styles of fancy football (e.g guys like Ronaldinho) are dying and efficiency (more like Haaland) are taking over.

Pakistan are still stuck in the stone ages when it comes to this unfortunately.

India has figured this out too an extent (not as much as NZ, but they are improving still) but is stronger thanks to a larger talent pool.

There’s a really good interview with Kohli. Who talks about when he was dropped, he changed everything about himself when it came to fitness, diet etc. He wanted to make himself the best he could ever be and never get dropped again. Transformed himself into arguably the best odi batsman ever. And the funny thing before that physical transformation he was an anchor type player who struggled with SR. Completely changed his power game as a result.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I was thinking, Even Australia currently are struggling to fulfil some of their gaps such as finding a decent replacement for Warner in test cricket or replacements for their bowling trio of Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood.

However NZ seems to have all their bases covered.

They keep finding solid if not better replacements then their current crop of players. For example will o rouke ended up being a better replacement then even lockie ferguson.

The likes of Rachin Ravindra and Now Muhammad Abass look more then ready to replace the likes of Conway and Darly Mitchell in the near future.

It's crazy how a country with only 5M population count and a country thays completly dependent upon Australia for almost all of its resources related to international affairs and trade is currently producing better bench strength then Australia itself in terms of cricket.

They have dominated Rugby for decades and now the All Blacks mentality is coming to cricket it seems.

Watch out.
Till now nobody has ever considered them a cricketing powerhouse but you just never know, we might be seeing the dawn of an era for the Black Caps. I mean West Indies had a dominant run for a couple of decades despite being a collection of islands with all their issues.

 

[ads101]

They have dominated Rugby for decades and now the All Blacks mentality is coming to cricket it seems.

Watch out.
Till now nobody has ever considered them a cricketing powerhouse but you just never know, we might be seeing the dawn of an era for the Black Caps. I mean West Indies had a dominant run for a couple of decades despite being a collection of islands with all their issues.

They don’t have the cricketing winning culture yet. They haven’t won a World Cup yet either. Win one and the floodgates could open. It’s why tennis players when they win 1 end up more likely winning a whole bunch like Djokovic, Nadal, Federer etc. First is always the hardest. Even India, won the t20 World Cup finally and then quickly won CT. Got used to winning again after the small trophy drought as the strength of the team was always there.

Got terribly unlucky against England a while back in that ODI World Cup with stokes bat. They deserved to win that match. I think they might have been stronger contenders for future trophies after that had they’d finally clinched one that day.

 

[Bhaijaan]

They don’t have the cricketing winning culture yet. They haven’t won a World Cup yet either. Win one and the floodgates could open. It’s why tennis players when they win 1 end up more likely winning a whole bunch like Djokovic, Nadal, Federer etc. First is always the hardest. Even India, won the t20 World Cup finally and then quickly won CT. Got used to winning again after the small trophy drought as the strength of the team was always there.

Got terribly unlucky against England a while back in that ODI World Cup with stokes bat. They deserved to win that match. I think they might have been stronger contenders for future trophies after that had they’d finally clinched one that day.

Let’s be clear about one thing. NZ were not unlucky in 2019 but they got ROBBED, plain and simple.
First by the ridiculous over throw given that took the game to the super over and then by the boundaries rule.

They were unlucky this time against Bharat, playing on pitches that suited Bharat who were well rested and missing out on Henry in the final due to injury.

Next World Cup is in Bharat and Sri Lanka and I expect them to reach semis once again.

You’re right it’s all a matter of winning a major LOI tournament once for them and the floodgates will open.

I reckon they’re gunning for the 2027 CWC in South African. They might just have the ideal team to win there.

 

[mominsaigol]

They have dominated Rugby for decades and now the All Blacks mentality is coming to cricket it seems.

Watch out.
Till now nobody has ever considered them a cricketing powerhouse but you just never know, we might be seeing the dawn of an era for the Black Caps. I mean West Indies had a dominant run for a couple of decades despite being a collection of islands with all their issues.

NZ and WI are not the same.

NZ and Australia are more or less brothers in arms. Both countries share wealth and resources.

The Aussie athletes culture is very prevelant for NZ and NZ migration system is now much easier and more friendly then aus system.

Which is why we see overseas talent in their cricket teams.

It's very very common for NZ school, club, colledge etc cricket or any sports teams in general to travel to Aus and play against them and vice versa.

In other words these guys

A) Have the same athletic culture as Australia

B) Consistently collaborate with Australia and play against them

C) Then welcome migrants and are friendly with every board. NZ is the one team India doesn't mind losing to and they are also the only team that will play 5 match test series against pakistan or anyone really.

Influx of foreign talent + friendly realtions with every country + consistent backing from aus one of the most powerful sports nations in the world will obviously result in a quality team.

It is the same reason why Afghanistan came forward in cricket. India letting them use their home dens, play IPL and get familiar with their domestic structure has allowed Afghanistan to become a solid mid card team.

WI doesn't have that backing. They have always relied on genetic freaks of nature but the quality has declined. Humans from WW1 all the way to the cold war were battle hardened veterans compared to the modern age where everyone is soft in comparisons.

WI current just don't have that genetic fierce mentality backed by slave culture defiance anymore.

Viv being a tall black man who wants to send fear into the hearts of other white men was a very common black man ideology in the 70's compared to the modern era where such ideologies don't exist unless you want TikTok drama

 

[ads101]

Let’s be clear about one thing. NZ were not unlucky in 2019 but they got ROBBED, plain and simple.
First by the ridiculous over throw given that took the game to the super over and then by the boundaries rule.

True was just trying to be diplomatic . I really did think they were robbed. But England is my second team and I generally don’t like tarnishing countries wins.

But England got so lucky that tournament. Not sure they even would have qualified for the knock out stages if not for rain and didn’t even really win the final. Despite being both the strongest team at the time and playing at home.

England have played well in other tournaments they won though.

 

[mominsaigol]

Let’s be clear about one thing. NZ were not unlucky in 2019 but they got ROBBED, plain and simple.
First by the ridiculous over throw given that took the game to the super over and then by the boundaries rule.

They were unlucky this time against Bharat, playing on pitches that suited Bharat who were well rested and missing out on Henry in the final due to injury.

Next World Cup is in Bharat and Sri Lanka and I expect them to reach semis once again.

You’re right it’s all a matter of winning a major LOI tournament once for them and the floodgates will open.

I reckon they’re gunning for the 2027 CWC in South African. They might just have the ideal team to win there.

They were not unlucky but they got robbed? How does that work?

They were both, end of story. The deflection was bad luck, but they got robbed due to stupid Super over rule. They should have restarted the super over, end of story.

 

[ads101]

They were not unlucky but they got robbed? How does that work?

They were both, end of story. The deflection was bad luck, but they got robbed due to stupid Super over rule. They should have restarted the super over, end of story.

I think there was a mistake when awarding runs. England should have got 5 runs not 6. Umpires clarified it later that it was a mistake. Simon Taufel too said this.

So New Zealand would have won regardless even with the incident of deflection.

I guess it is the same in a way like an umpire giving a player wrongly out (or when he is out saying he is still in). But it’s a worse mistake on the umpire side. Plus NZ are hardly at fault they can’t even appeal something like that which they could for a wicket dismissal.

 

[kron]

Professional team who prioritise fitness, strength training and fielding. They look to maximise the talent they actually have from a small talent pool rather than desperately trying to “search for talent”

It’s happening in all sports as a whole. Professionalism, increased fitness is dominating. A good example is football where the older styles of fancy football (e.g guys like Ronaldinho) are dying and efficiency (more like Haaland) are taking over.

Pakistan are still stuck in the stone ages when it comes to this unfortunately.

India has figured this out too an extent (not as much as NZ, but they are improving still) but is stronger thanks to a larger talent pool.

There’s a really good interview with Kohli. Who talks about when he was dropped, he changed everything about himself when it came to fitness, diet etc. He wanted to make himself the best he could ever be and never get dropped again. Transformed himself into arguably the best odi batsman ever. And the funny thing before that physical transformation he was an anchor type player who struggled with SR. Completely changed his power game as a result.

Ah yes no
Yes the fitness has changed and fitness is supremely important

But a generational talent like Ronaldinho was fit in his prime. When he was fit no modern player comes close to him. Not on single player. No one

He would run laps around everyone and dominate everybody from start to finish.

He lost interest around 2008 and then fizzled out. In his prime though he was definitely super fit strong and durable. He would fold modern defenders in half like a pretzel. And he isn’t a strong bean. Guy is strong as too.

 

[Bhaijaan]

NZ and WI are not the same.

NZ and Australia are more or less brothers in arms. Both countries share wealth and resources.

The Aussie athletes culture is very prevelant for NZ and NZ migration system is now much easier and more friendly then aus system.

Which is why we see overseas talent in their cricket teams.

It's very very common for NZ school, club, colledge etc cricket or any sports teams in general to travel to Aus and play against them and vice versa.

In other words these guys

A) Have the same athletic culture as Australia

B) Consistently collaborate with Australia and play against them

C) Then welcome migrants and are friendly with every board. NZ is the one team India doesn't mind losing to and they are also the only team that will play 5 match test series against pakistan or anyone really.

Influx of foreign talent + friendly realtions with every country + consistent backing from aus one of the most powerful sports nations in the world will obviously result in a quality team.

It is the same reason why Afghanistan came forward in cricket. India letting them use their home dens, play IPL and get familiar with their domestic structure has allowed Afghanistan to become a solid mid card team.

WI doesn't have that backing. They have always relied on genetic freaks of nature but the quality has declined. Humans from WW1 all the way to the cold war were battle hardened veterans compared to the modern age where everyone is soft in comparisons.

WI current just don't have that genetic fierce mentality backed by slave culture defiance anymore.

Viv being a tall black man who wants to send fear into the hearts of other white men was a very common black man ideology in the 70's compared to the modern era where such ideologies don't exist unless you want TikTok drama

Viv wasn’t tall by Black standards. Strong yes but not a tall man. He was a shawty.

 

[Bhaijaan]

They were not unlucky but they got robbed? How does that work?

They were both, end of story. The deflection was bad luck, but they got robbed due to stupid Super over rule. They should have restarted the super over, end of story.

Whichever way you look at it, they were robbed of the trophy that day, plain and simple. To get a boundary from a deflection is ridiculous.

 

[Bhaijaan]

NZ and WI are not the same.

Which is exactly in NZ’s favour.
They’re an actual country.

Whereas West Indies is hardly even a thing now except for T20 WCs, NZ is a force in cricket as a nation in all formats.

 

[mominsaigol]

Which is exactly in NZ’s favour.
They’re an actual country.

Whereas West Indies is hardly even a thing now except for T20 WCs, NZ is a force in cricket as a nation in all formats.

I wouldn't say their an actual country, If Australia was hostile towards them, NZ wouldn't exist since their remote status would mean import and export would be difficult and would have to be done by air only which would be bloody expensive and Australia would obviously block everything. It's just that their extremly friendly towards everyone and they have very loose migration laws with invites foreign talent.

They literally benefit of ove

A) Australia's entire system

B) Migrant talent

C) almost every sport and body in the world supports them. In cricket it's bcci, in rugby pretty much the entire rugby union lol.

Almost every organization supports them. Even Pakistan tends to give them freebies in sports gear and equipment from sialkot lol.

It pays to have a country with zero haters. Compare that to Pakistan which has hostile borders left and right and constant problems.

Lastly people don't understand how much environment plays a part in genetics. Tasmania and NZ have the cleanest air in the world, these boys grow up with strong lungs and very atheletic bodies by default.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I wouldn't say their an actual country, If Australia was hostile towards them, NZ wouldn't exist since their remote status would mean import and export would be difficult and would have to be done by air only which would be bloody expensive and Australia would obviously block everything.

They can but they wouldn’t because Australia is a responsible nation and responsible member of geopolitical forums honouring the sovereignty of neighbouring nations. It’s the same reason Bharat wouldn’t just eat up neighbouring smaller sovereign states. New Zealand is a proud and well established sovereign state. Their future is intact where West Indies is fast becoming an entity unknown. It’s very likely in a decade or so the independent island nations might start representing themselves separately.

 

[mominsaigol]

They can but they wouldn’t because Australia is a responsible nation and responsible member of geopolitical forums honouring the sovereignty of neighbouring nations. It’s the same reason Bharat wouldn’t just eat up neighbouring smaller sovereign states. New Zealand is a proud and well established sovereign state. Their future is intact where West Indies is fast becoming an entity unknown. It’s very likely in a decade or so the independent island nations might start representing themselves separately.

Bharat wouldn't end up eating smaller states cause they don't want another world war.

You can't just go attacking states in this era without probable cause and risking a world war or at the very least having western nations impose tariffs on you. Doing so would cause Indian economy to downright collapse.

Australia is the same. We love NZ but even if we hated them, we can't just bully em for the sake of it.

Russia is the only exception cause they don't give a kahoots about tariffs or western nations boycotting them cause they don't care about their economy. It's collapsed so many times that it's become a meme now.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bharat wouldn't end up eating smaller states cause they don't want another world war.

You can't just go attacking states in this era without probable cause and risking a world war or at the very least having western nations impose tariffs on you. Doing so would cause Indian economy to downright collapse.

Australia is the same. We love NZ but even if we hated them, we can't just bully em for the sake of it.

Russia is the only exception cause they don't give a kahoots about tariffs or western nations boycotting them cause they don't care about their economy. It's collapsed so many times that it's become a meme now.

We can usurp a few nations overnight without naming names and there’s nothing anyone can do about it including China.

But we are part of a world order. There will be sanctions and all which wouldn’t destroy the economy but would hurt it at a time we are gunning for unprecedented economic growth in the coming decades.

China is in the same boat wrt Taiwan.

So back to the original point, Australia is a natural ally of NZ. They’re the bigger brother but there’s no intention there of compromising NZ’s sovereignty given both nations share same values.

NZ is here to stay as a proud sovereign nation and they’re about to have a dominant run in cricket it seems.

 

[BouncerGuy]

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[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS NOT ABOUT FOOTBALL SO PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC

 

[DeadlyVenom]

NZ has totally turned the tables on Pakistan, West Indies and have balanced it out against South Africans.

Practically speaking, NZ seem to have taken South Africa’s position in world cricket.

NZ is to cricket today what South Africa was in late 90s , early 2000s

Until recently they have had an ok record with India too especially in big games.

They consistently punch above their weight time and time again. I want them to get their hands on an ICC LOI trophy at some point to cement their status as a top side.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Until recently they have had an ok record with India too especially in big games.

They consistently punch above their weight time and time again. I want them to get their hands on an ICC LOI trophy at some point to cement their status as a top side.

I have wanted that for a long time.

They were robbed in 2019. That cup belonged to them, they defeated us in the semis and we were the team of the tournament until then and then they clearly had the upper hand in the final but the deflection and a ridiculous super over rule screwed them.

If not Bharat, I would love to see NZ lift the next few trophies. Absolutely rooting for them. If they win 2027 CWC, they might start a dynasty

 

[Space Cat]

I wouldn't say their an actual country, If Australia was hostile towards them, NZ wouldn't exist since their remote status would mean import and export would be difficult and would have to be done by air only which would be bloody expensive and Australia would obviously block everything. It's just that their extremly friendly towards everyone and they have very loose migration laws with invites foreign talent.

They literally benefit of ove

A) Australia's entire system

B) Migrant talent

C) almost every sport and body in the world supports them. In cricket it's bcci, in rugby pretty much the entire rugby union lol.

Almost every organization supports them. Even Pakistan tends to give them freebies in sports gear and equipment from sialkot lol.

It pays to have a country with zero haters. Compare that to Pakistan which has hostile borders left and right and constant problems.

Lastly people don't understand how much environment plays a part in genetics. Tasmania and NZ have the cleanest air in the world, these boys grow up with strong lungs and very atheletic bodies by default.

With respect i think you have some misconceptions about New Zealand. Australia is our closest ally for sure but we do not rely on them to survive. We are an export economy and China is actually our biggest trading partner. NZ is no powerhouse but it is a significant economy nonetheless.

 

[Bahnz]

Not sure about how NZ will fair over the next decade. Looking at the age profile of the team: Williamson 34, Mitchell 33, Conway 33, Latham 33, Young 32. That's a lot of batting to lose all at once. Rachin and Phillips are good, and there's some young talent coming through (names like Abass, Rhys Mariu who'll probably be making his debut tomorrow, BJ Jacobs who's in the Mumbai Indians squad, and Curtis Heaphy). But I think they'll struggle to maintain the standards that have been set under KW. Bowling wise, NZ seem to have a lot more depth in young talent and should be set for some time to come. But I wouldn't be surprised to see NZ fall back behind SA.

 

[Katwalindian]

They don’t have the cricketing winning culture yet. They haven’t won a World Cup yet either. Win one and the floodgates could open. It’s why tennis players when they win 1 end up more likely winning a whole bunch like Djokovic, Nadal, Federer etc. First is always the hardest. Even India, won the t20 World Cup finally and then quickly won CT. Got used to winning again after the small trophy drought as the strength of the team was always there.

Got terribly unlucky against England a while back in that ODI World Cup with stokes bat. They deserved to win that match. I think they might have been stronger contenders for future trophies after that had they’d finally clinched one that day.

Let’s be clear about one thing. NZ were not unlucky in 2019 but they got ROBBED, plain and simple.
First by the ridiculous over throw given that took the game to the super over and then by the boundaries rule.

They were unlucky this time against Bharat, playing on pitches that suited Bharat who were well rested and missing out on Henry in the final due to injury.

Next World Cup is in Bharat and Sri Lanka and I expect them to reach semis once again.

You’re right it’s all a matter of winning a major LOI tournament once for them and the floodgates will open.

I reckon they’re gunning for the 2027 CWC in South African. They might just have the ideal team to win there.

Even srilanka thrashed them in 2019 wc...

 

[Rana]

They became a different beast of a side when Corey Anderson announced himself with the fastest ODI hundred. When Guptil and McCullum took the game on to another level. When Boult became the most lethal opening seamer, and Williamson made sure to hold one end for them.

 

[Rana]

Kane
McCullum
Anderson
Guptil
Munro
Santner
Boult

These players played a massive role in taking NZ to a level which Pakistan have never reached in their white ball existence.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not sure about how NZ will fair over the next decade. Looking at the age profile of the team: Williamson 34, Mitchell 33, Conway 33, Latham 33, Young 32. That's a lot of batting to lose all at once. Rachin and Phillips are good, and there's some young talent coming through (names like Abass, Rhys Mariu who'll probably be making his debut tomorrow, BJ Jacobs who's in the Mumbai Indians squad, and Curtis Heaphy). But I think they'll struggle to maintain the standards that have been set under KW. Bowling wise, NZ seem to have a lot more depth in young talent and should be set for some time to come. But I wouldn't be surprised to see NZ fall back behind SA.

Now that is has been clarified that NZ face no territorial threat from
Australia as clarified by resident kiwi

Kane
McCullum
Anderson
Guptil
Munro
Santner
Boult

These players played a massive role in taking NZ to a level which Pakistan have never reached in their white ball existence.

Kiwis rocking in every facet of the game to be honest. Wright, Fleming, McCullum made a respectable name in head coaching profile. Shane Bond, Jacob Oram are aLeo emerging as coaches. Their commentators are also well loved and have been a constant part of many leagues, ICC tournaments.

In Pakistan, every ex cricketer wants a coaching job but how many of them have ever been considered for a coaching job outside Pakistan. Lack of reputed coaching gigs abroad just exposes how unproven all these people are as coaches. They just want hand outs from the board.

 

[kron]

I have wanted that for a long time.

They were robbed in 2019. That cup belonged to them, they defeated us in the semis and we were the team of the tournament until then and then they clearly had the upper hand in the final but the deflection and a ridiculous super over rule screwed them.

If not Bharat, I would love to see NZ lift the next few trophies. Absolutely rooting for them. If they win 2027 CWC, they might start a dynasty

We missed dhawan in semis and played on a test match pitch on day 2

We would have won easily if it played on the same day.

 

[chinaman00]

They must have a great system. They are doing incredibly with the limited number of players they have.

Good point.

Pakistan should aim to emulate their model and system in order to be a viable team again.

Truth is, the kiwis and the proteas are a worthy example to the cricketing world on how to run an efficient and competitive system with limited resources.

 

[Prince of Dorne]

NZ has totally turned the tables on Pakistan, West Indies and have balanced it out against South Africans.

Practically speaking, NZ seem to have taken South Africa’s position in world cricket.

NZ is to cricket today what South Africa was in late 90s , early 2000s

SA back then had a fearsome team with tremendous aura featuring multiple all-time greats all in one squad. They would go head-to-head with Australia, were absolutely merciless against lesser teams, and took no prisoners. NZ just doesn't have that killer instinct.

 

[kron]

Don’t think nz will ever win a icc odi World Cup or a t20 WC
Or a champions trophy either

Yes I know they won one icc odi champions trophy event

@sweep_shot

 

[pratiktc]

Amazing how guys like Abbas, Hay just walk into the team and start performing under pressure situations.

Today was a tight situation for last batting pair to bat half of the inns against a good varied attack and this Hay rebuilds at 80 SR for 20 ovs and then ends up whacking at 200-300 in last 5.

NZ youngsters these days are so well organised and mentally strong.

 

[Bahnz]

Don’t think nz will ever win a icc odi World Cup or a t20 WC
Or a champions trophy either

Yes I know they won one icc odi champions trophy event

@sweep_shot

Would help if they ever got to host a tournament. But the timezone is just not favorable for the Indian audience so will never happen.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Someone rightly posted about New Zealand being South Africa of the 1990's.

New Zealand have certainly taken the position which was South Africa's all these years.

 

[Bhaijaan]

What dominance!

Is this stat true. Please verify @Slim

PAKISTAN IN LAST 12 ODIs IN NEW ZEALAND vs NEW ZEALAND:

- Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost.

 

[saimayubera]

Someone rightly posted about New Zealand being South Africa of the 1990's.

New Zealand have certainly taken the position which was South Africa's all these years.

Naah, SA were the best team in the latter half of the 90s before Aus pulled away in 99.

NZ are consistently top 3 but they are not no 1.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

What dominance!

Is this stat true. Please verify @Slim

PAKISTAN IN LAST 12 ODIs IN NEW ZEALAND vs NEW ZEALAND:

- Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost.

View attachment 152881

Not sure if its true. Pak won in the 2023 WC and some matches against NZ Z team in 2023.

 

[ufcfan]

Not sure if its true. Pak won in the 2023 WC and some matches against NZ Z team in 2023.

He says in NZ

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The most remarkable thing is that cricket doesn't even hold a candle to Rugby: the true No.1 sport in NZ. A sport that attracts the premier athletes and one they also happen to be giants in.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He says in NZ

Then its true. Pak haven't beaten NZ in an ODI in NZ since 2011.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Not sure if it’s true. Pak won in the 2023 WC and some matches against NZ Z team in 2023.

It’s about matches played in NZ and seems to be true

 

[Varun]

Would help if they ever got to host a tournament. But the timezone is just not favorable for the Indian audience so will never happen.

And they'll never host a tournament without being a co-host with Australia.

 

[BouncerGuy]

The best thing for New Zealand now is if they win an ICC event like the upcoming T20 World Cup.. They missed the chance to win that champions trophy but they choked... But anyways, they have been a brilliant team so far.

 

[Bhaijaan]

The best thing for New Zealand now is if they win an ICC event like the upcoming T20 World Cup.. They missed the chance to win that champions trophy but they choked... But anyways, they have been a brilliant team so far.

They didn’t choke brother. Remember Bharat had an unfair advantage.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Naah, SA were the best team in the latter half of the 90s before Aus pulled away in 99.

NZ are consistently top 3 but they are not no 1.

I agree South Africa was the best team, they should have won the 1999 World Cup, unfortunately for that Klusner-Donald brainfade.

But when it came to tournament finals, South Africa lost to Australia in 1997-98 tri-series finals, lost to India in 1996 Titan Cup tri-series final, lost to Sri Lanka in 2000 Sri Lanka tri-series final. They also lost to Pakistan in Sharjah 2000 tri series final.

Their only win came against the West Indies in ICC Knockout 1998 final which remains the only ICC trophy they have won until now.

 

[Slim]

What dominance!

Is this stat true. Please verify @Slim

PAKISTAN IN LAST 12 ODIs IN NEW ZEALAND vs NEW ZEALAND:

- Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost, Lost.

View attachment 152881

Legendary stuff! <3

 

[kron]

The best thing for New Zealand now is if they win an ICC event like the upcoming T20 World Cup.. They missed the chance to win that champions trophy but they choked... But anyways, they have been a brilliant team so far.

lol won toss
They even play in Dubai franchise leagues
They had better conditions to bat
And they even had more turn and purchase while bowling due to conditions getting harder for batsmen in second innings

Still they have now lost 8 in a row to india

India ended them

 

[Markhor]

The total lack of toxicity and egoism in their setup is remarkable. Even in the cricket nations we consider well run, you'll read of clashes between players and management or with the board.

Unless I'm unaware, there's none of that in NZ. Everyone's pulling in the same direction and happy for each other's success.

I don't recall NZ having this much depth in their history either so their domestic cricket seems on point.

That said, they still need to win a white-ball ICC tournament. This always the bridesmaid never the bride routine must end. In 2019 they were insanely unlucky, but they've had several other chances.

 

[shaz619]

That home WC campaign under Brendon will inspire their country for generations, they didn’t win it, but it has taken cricket almost to Rugby levels of popularity in NZ. That’s what’s possible when you play cricket the way it should be played.

 

[shaz619]

The total lack of toxicity and egoism in their setup is remarkable. Even in the cricket nations we consider well run, you'll read of clashes between players and management or with the board.

Unless I'm unaware, there's none of that in NZ. Everyone's pulling in the same direction and happy for each other's success.

I don't recall NZ having this much depth in their history either so their domestic cricket seems on point.

That said, they still need to win a white-ball ICC tournament. This always the bridesmaid never the bride routine must end. In 2019 they were insanely unlucky, but they've had several other chances.

The way they look after talent is unprecedented, they go out of their way to look after and protect their pool of guys and give them every chance of success. The way they’ve taken Abbas & Ravin in is just one example. It’s only a matter of time before they win an ICC trophy, the WTC arguably is the toughest to win and they got that under their belt and imo it’s the second most prestigious trophy to win after the ODI WC, and arguably on par with it.

 

[kron]

The way they look after talent is unprecedented, they go out of their way to look after and protect their pool of guys and give them every chance of success. The way they’ve taken Abbas & Ravin in is just one example. It’s only a matter of time before they win an ICC trophy, the WTC arguably is the toughest to win and they got that under their belt and imo it’s the second most prestigious trophy to win after the ODI WC, and arguably on par with it.

Wtc final concept is a joke so not really

But…. Their achievements in odi since 2015 and in t20 are impressive as hell

They practically won odi 2019.

Need a legit win though.

 

[guard]

I think if they continue to uphold very high levels, they might get breakthroughs. Australia is the only genuine bogey team for them right now as they seem to have a little brother complex against them. Apart from that they have no demons beating anyone anywhere right now. We had a huge advantage against them in CT final everyone knows that.

Please elaborate..

 

[shaz619]

Wtc final concept is a joke so not really

But…. Their achievements in odi since 2015 and in t20 are impressive as hell

They practically won odi 2019.

Need a legit win though.

They won the WTC though ahead of the **** so we don’t need to belittle that.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The total lack of toxicity and egoism in their setup is remarkable. Even in the cricket nations we consider well run, you'll read of clashes between players and management or with the board.

Unless I'm unaware, there's none of that in NZ. Everyone's pulling in the same direction and happy for each other's success.

I don't recall NZ having this much depth in their history either so their domestic cricket seems on point.

That said, they still need to win a white-ball ICC tournament. This always the bridesmaid never the bride routine must end. In 2019 they were insanely unlucky, but they've had several other chances.

There was a fall out between Mcculum and Taylor although I think to his credit it didn't effect Taylor's batting too much in the long term.

In a dressing room like Pakistan's that could have resulted in groupings and fractures that lasted years. Kiwis were lucky that Mcclum was a charismatic leader and Taylor eventually got on with it after sulking for a bit and was key to winning the test championship under Kanes captaincy.

 

[kron]

They won the WTC though ahead of the **** so we don’t need to belittle that.

It’s a crap concept wtc final just doesn’t work

Most teams don’t even play the same amount of game and hardly play the same opposition.

But their odi and t20 runs are creditable as they very nearly won it. They actually won it in truth in 2019.

Your frauds robbed them.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Most genuine cricket fans still consider NZ as the actual winner of the 2019 CWC.

It was a huge deal for them.

 

[kron]

Most genuine cricket fans still consider NZ as the actual winner of the 2019 CWC.

It was a huge deal for them.

Well India should have won

Dhawan injury and batting on day 2 test pitch caused the defeat in semis

Dominated almost every team in that tournament

 

[Bhaijaan]

Well India should have won

Dhawan injury and batting on day 2 test pitch caused the defeat in semis

Dominated almost every team in that tournament

Thats true but we did lose.

NZ never lost the final. They were robbed by the deflection boundar and the superover rule

 

[kron]

Thats true but we did lose.

NZ never lost the final. They were robbed by the deflection boundar and the superover rule

That would have never happened if it were India or Aus in the final

They would have forced another super over. Nz being less popular in the cricketing world unfortunately don’t yield any kind of power it getting such decisions overturned

 

[Bhaijaan]

That would have never happened if it were India or Aus in the final

They would have forced another super over. Nz being less popular in the cricketing world unfortunately don’t yield any kind of power it getting such decisions overturned

Fully agreed.

Also we wouldn't have gone to the super over. The deflection 6 runs given were stupid.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Well India should have won

Dhawan injury and batting on day 2 test pitch caused the defeat in semis

Dominated almost every team in that tournament

I remember Naseer Hussain's words on commentary on the day of the final - India & England were the top two teams going into this World Cup, England held their side of the bargain, India crashed out in the semis.