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New Zealand outclass Australia by 159 runs in 1st ODI

Pakistani batting was very good in the 3rd game. It appears the bowlers screwed up except for Amir. I'm a huge fan of Hafeez and his knock was amazing in that game. He started the onslaught but unfortunately the tail along with Malik buckled
NZ batting has been highly underestimated. They have done decently well against Pakistan and Australia. Can rip the other attacks to shreds. Too good at home.

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lol at the indians reacting. Only Rahane and Vijay can hold their own in swinging conditions. Try beating opposition in England (without the opposition actually throwing their wickets away) just like you do at home then you can talk about not being FTBs. Also no, read the pitch report during India's 3rd ODI. Pitch was a lot slower and spinning. It was quicker during 5th ODI and you can see the result yourself.
 
Heck..even the paltry Indian bowling can dismantle this Aussie line up if there's a bit on the pitch.
 
LOL [MENTION=62431]A[/MENTION]us

Outside Australia they aren't as good. Probably India, BD, England as well will make quick work of the Aussie team in home conditions
 
lmao love that stat.

Corey Anderson has a better ODI strike rate than Mitchell Starc.
 
lol at the indians reacting. Only Rahane and Vijay can hold their own in swinging conditions. Try beating opposition in England (without the opposition actually throwing their wickets away) just like you do at home then you can talk about not being FTBs. Also no, read the pitch report during India's 3rd ODI. Pitch was a lot slower and spinning. It was quicker during 5th ODI and you can see the result yourself.

A big lol at you like I said india atleast made close to 220 , and india did beat England in England in odi's. India did compete in nz if it wasn't for our obnoxious bowling.
 
Collapse aside, look at Wade and Faulkner bat like nothing has happened. Proper ODI batting. Keeping the run-rate going. Pakistan needs to improve drastically on this aspect of their game.

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Maybe you should learn to see the difference between pitch conditions. The ground today is a lot quicker than that 3rd ODI.

The commentators just said that the pitch is gripping and MCCullum said during the toss that the pitch has gone slower during the game against PAk. That's the reason he wanted to bat first and didn't regret losing the toss. Give it a rest now. You can't seem to comprehend the intricacies of the game and are biased.
 
lol at the indians reacting. Only Rahane and Vijay can hold their own in swinging conditions. Try beating opposition in England (without the opposition actually throwing their wickets away) just like you do at home then you can talk about not being FTBs. Also no, read the pitch report during India's 3rd ODI. Pitch was a lot slower and spinning. It was quicker during 5th ODI and you can see the result yourself.

Full strength WORLD CHAMPION india vs new zealand 2014

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/series/667635.html

Australia are not full strength side as starc is not playing


New zealand thrashed india 4-0 in 6 odi series


India is yet to beat new zealand in t20s i guess. :asif


yeah lol at padosis :))) :)))
 
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The commentators just said that the pitch is gripping and MCCullum said during the toss that the pitch has gone slower during the game against PAk. That's the reason he wanted to bat first and didn't regret losing the toss. Give it a rest now. You can't seem to comprehend the intricacies of the game and are biased.

Did I say Pak aren't HTBs? They can't score abroad, and are probably worse than Indians in that regard. Maybe you should shed your bias. The indians are htb just as much as Aussies are.
 
Petty fight between 2 sets of fans who lost 4-1 and 2-0 against the two playing teams of this match. Have some shame.
 
Petty fight between 2 sets of fans who lost 4-1 and 2-0 against the two playing teams of this match. Have some shame.

India is ranked no. 2 in the world, there is no fight or competition with a 8th ranked side
 
Did I say Pak aren't HTBs? They can't score abroad, and are probably worse than Indians in that regard. Maybe you should shed your bias. The indians are htb just as much as Aussies are.

Everyone's a HTB these days. That's why there are very few overseas victories. NZ, SA can't play spin. Asian countries in general can't play swing and bounce. Some Indian batsmen though are all round batsmen and have scored all around the world. Indian batting will put up a competitive score consistently than any other team in the world. They don't belly up for 60 all out like Australia did. Anyway, I've taught you enough for one night.
 
Did I say Pak aren't HTBs? They can't score abroad, and are probably worse than Indians in that regard. Maybe you should shed your bias. The indians are htb just as much as Aussies are.

India scored 270+ in all their matches in NZ except the last one. We just weren't good enough to bowl out them.

India won a series in England, a place which is often brought up by people when they talk about swinging conditions. And that series wasn't even a contest mind you.

Or is it the age old line that all those tracks were flat tracks and the only one in which they made 216 was the only spicy pitch, eh?:srini
 
India has the best batting line up in the world when all conditions are considered, it is not even up for debate
 
Pakistan actually played well in the 3rd ODI. Which is why I laughed hard at the "doom" statuses after the 3rd ODI
 
6 down for 40 and yet they score at 6 rpo! Shows the depth in this batting line up. Champions for a reason.
 

There never was. Not sure why Indians always think it's between Pak and them. India is a far better ODI team than Pak, but to mock the Aussies for being HTB while holding your own head high, well that's a bit embarrassing.
 
Pakistan actually played well in the 3rd ODI. Which is why I laughed hard at the "doom" statuses after the 3rd ODI

Don't forget the first game when NZ was on the mat at 90/6. The scoreline could have easily been 2-0 Pak. Bad captaincy or failure to seize those important moments was their downfall unfortunately
 
Commendable trait. Giving themselves s chance here.

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Its difficult to contain the batsmen on this tiny ground. If you don't pick wickets, the runs are not that hard to come by
 
Pakistan actually played well in the 3rd ODI. Which is why I laughed hard at the "doom" statuses after the 3rd ODI

It was more a case of nz playing badly than Pakistan playing well, nz was crusing at 180-1 before the 2 set batsman decided to gift their wickets to azhar ali of all the bowlers, Pakistan batted horribly in the last 15 overs and bowled badly for majority of the game
 
Its difficult to contain the batsmen on this tiny ground. If you don't pick wickets, the runs are not that hard to come by
Just have a look at how Wade played Milne even after the loss of six wickets. Brilliant intent. A novel factor for us Pakistanis mate.

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Full strength WORLD CHAMPION india vs new zealand 2014

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-india-2014/engine/series/667635.html

Australia are not full strength side as starc is not playing


New zealand thrashed india 4-0 in 6 odi series


India is yet to beat new zealand in t20s i guess. :asif


yeah lol at padosis :))) :)))

Shall I start talking about your records in England and Aus?

When did last time you win a series in Eng or Aus?

We beat Eng 4-1 in ODIs we last toured them.Won the Champions trophy.

We won Commonwealth bank series and recently did better than you in WC in Aus.. And all the games here in ODI series were tight. We beat them in T20 3-0.

As far as i remember, you have lost in NZ 2-0. T20s lost 2-1.
When you last toured Eng, lost 3-2, lost Champions trophy.
When you last toured Aus. Got white-washed by Aus in tests 3-0, ODI 5-0 and lost lone T20 as well.

Check your stats first then talk about others,,,,
 
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Everyone's a HTB these days. That's why there are very few overseas victories. NZ, SA can't play spin. Asian countries in general can't play swing and bounce. Some Indian batsmen though are all round batsmen and have scored all around the world. Indian batting will put up a competitive score consistently than any other team in the world. They don't belly up for 60 all out like Australia did. Anyway, I've taught you enough for one night.

Oh my bad, you're right they didn't belly up for 60 all out, but they did reach 8-4 in the 4th test, and 94 all out in the 5th. Guess that's an improvement.
 
India would have easily beaten this aussie side if we had 1 decent bowler, bumrah played 4 matches in Australia and we won all 4, that's how much a decent bowler can make a difference
 
Steve Smith was always going to fail in NZ and England.. I'd expect him to end up with an overall average of 50, home average - 60 and away average - 35
 
lol this icedcoffee guys is so confused, sometimes citing odis and sometimes bringing in test matches, poor guy has no clue
 
I am not sure if it is an Ind vs Pak or NZ vs Aus match going on?? Why are we comparing two teams who are not even playing this game?? Ridiculous really.
 
Shall I start talking about your records in England and Aus?

When did last time you win a series in Eng or Aus?

We beat Eng 4-1 in ODIs we last toured them.Won the Champions trophy.

We won Commonwealth bank series and recently did better than you in WC in Aus.. And all the games here in ODI series were tight. We beat them in T20 3-0.

As far as i remember, you have lost in NZ 2-0. T20s lost 2-1.
When you last toured Eng, lost 3-2, lost Champions trophy.
When you last toured Aus. Got white-washed by Aus in tests 3-0, ODI 5-0 and lost lone T20 as well.

Check your stats first then talk about others,,,,

england and asia is irrelevant on this thread

learn to comprehend topic

remember you never beat new zealand in t20 and lost 4-0 to nz in 2014 when YOU were the World Chamption

:kohli <<<<<<< this champion could not save you from getting beat 4-0 :)))
 
lol this icedcoffee guys is so confused, sometimes citing odis and sometimes bringing in test matches, poor guy has no clue

Give him a break now!!He's been going through cricinfo archives non stop for an hour. Its just that his fingers are much faster than his brain at this point.
 
Oh my bad, you're right they didn't belly up for 60 all out, but they did reach 8-4 in the 4th test, and 94 all out in the 5th. Guess that's an improvement.

At least we finished the 4 match series 2-1. Lets see how you do :)
 
england and asia is irrelevant on this thread

learn to comprehend topic

remember you never beat new zealand in t20 and lost 4-0 to nz in 2014 when YOU were the World Chamption

:kohli <<<<<<< this champion could not save you from getting beat 4-0 :)))

The same NZ that lost 0-8 to BD in BD? Everyone's a champ at home and a xhimp abroad. The discussion is not on who won. Its about Indian batting
 
england and asia is irrelevant on this thread

learn to comprehend topic

remember you never beat new zealand in t20 and lost 4-0 to nz in 2014 when YOU were the World Chamption

:kohli <<<<<<< this champion could not save you from getting beat 4-0 :)))

Cant really see what you want to prove. If it is Pak>India. Forget it because even you did not performed well. Winning one T20 vs NZ and you are behaving like World champs. When I make you remember of other accomplishments by you in Eng and Aus, you tell me its off-topic. So forget it. Let us have our champ Kohli with us and you may keep yours :uakmal

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The same NZ that lost 0-8 to BD in BD? Everyone's a champ at home and a xhimp abroad. The discussion is not on who won. Its about Indian batting

which also performed at NZ tour about which these guys are whining about.
 
Cant really see what you want to prove. If it is Pak>India. Forget it because even you did not performed well. Winning one T20 vs NZ and you are behaving like World champs. When I make you remember of other accomplishments by you in Eng and Aus, you tell me its off-topic. So forget it. Let us have our champ Kohli with us and you may keep yours :uakmal

:)))

lol looks like even you have joined the India vs pak battle, moments ago you we commenting that it is ridiculous :))
 
India has the best batting line up in the world when all conditions are considered, it is not even up for debate
They're actually sloggers. They get lucky because these days bats are fat and ball gets hit hard so fielders are afraid to catch it.

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They're actually sloggers. They get lucky because these days bats are fat and ball gets hit hard so fielders are afraid to catch it.

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:))) Absolutely great post bro. You are really funny. Great humor
 
What a Phainta :)))

Aus seems to have gone into a great slump of form after the drubbing at the hands of India.
 
India scored 270+ in all their matches in NZ except the last one. We just weren't good enough to bowl out them.

India won a series in England, a place which is often brought up by people when they talk about swinging conditions. And that series wasn't even a contest mind you.

Or is it the age old line that all those tracks were flat tracks and the only one in which they made 216 was the only spicy pitch, eh?:srini

They couldn't reach 270 in 1st game either.

Ind vs NZ.

1st ODI:
According to Dhoni, typical swinging conditions for 1st 10-15 overs, but otherwise good for batting. Indian's could barely manage 268. I'd say this is a batting failure.
2nd ODI: Slow and assisting spin. Groundsman wasn't even sure why. Likely bowling failure.
3rd ODI: pitch report suggests again flat, but support for spin. Tied.
4th ODI: same as 2nd. slow pitch. bowling at fault.
5th ODI: Assistance for bowlers. Batting failure.

Ind vs Eng.

1st ODI: N/A
2nd ODI: Some help for bowlers according to pitch report, but lots of support for spin and results speak for themselves . Indians played well tho.
3rd ODI: Pitch report suggests good batting surface. Lots of spin from start.
4th ODI: Conditions "glorious" for batting according to Wisden, but indian seamers bowled well
5th ODI: Pitch report suggests it was flat. Rare batting failure in batting conditions.

None of this proves that Indians can play well in seaming and swinging conditions. They only did well in that lone test against Eng where Rahane stood out tho we all know he can play, but the majority of the time the batting failed in unfavorable conditions especially during tests.
 
They couldn't reach 270 in 1st game either.

Ind vs NZ.

1st ODI:
According to Dhoni, typical swinging conditions for 1st 10-15 overs, but otherwise good for batting. Indian's could barely manage 268. I'd say this is a batting failure.
2nd ODI: Slow and assisting spin. Groundsman wasn't even sure why. Likely bowling failure.
3rd ODI: pitch report suggests again flat, but support for spin. Tied.
4th ODI: same as 2nd. slow pitch. bowling at fault.
5th ODI: Assistance for bowlers. Batting failure.

Ind vs Eng.

1st ODI: N/A
2nd ODI: Some help for bowlers according to pitch report, but lots of support for spin and results speak for themselves . Indians played well tho.
3rd ODI: Pitch report suggests good batting surface. Lots of spin from start.
4th ODI: Conditions "glorious" for batting according to Wisden, but indian seamers bowled well
5th ODI: Pitch report suggests it was flat. Rare batting failure in batting conditions.

None of this proves that Indians can play well in seaming and swinging conditions. They only did well in that lone test against Eng where Rahane stood out tho we all know he can play, but the majority of the time the batting failed in unfavorable conditions especially during tests.

:))) [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] you were right, he was really going through cricinfo archives for an hour, he didn't even watch those matches and basing his opinion on cricinfo reports :)))
 
and in way painful to see the difference between the quality of these teams and our pathetic team. How far behind we are.

Hey hey hold your horses. We never came close to a 159 run defeat. If anything we won the games in first 35 overs then threw it away;)
 
No need to read much into this result. Even invincible Aussie team lost ODI series in New Zealand 3-0 right before winning the world cup in 2007.

In first match of that series they were all out for 148 & New Zealand chased that target without losing a wicket.

What makes LOI team of Australia class above the rest is their uncanny ability to raise their game in important moments like in last world cup final against New Zealand despite losing against them in group stage.
 
They couldn't reach 270 in 1st game either.

Ind vs NZ.

1st ODI:
According to Dhoni, typical swinging conditions for 1st 10-15 overs, but otherwise good for batting. Indian's could barely manage 268. I'd say this is a batting failure.
2nd ODI: Slow and assisting spin. Groundsman wasn't even sure why. Likely bowling failure.
3rd ODI: pitch report suggests again flat, but support for spin. Tied.
4th ODI: same as 2nd. slow pitch. bowling at fault.
5th ODI: Assistance for bowlers. Batting failure.

Ind vs Eng.

1st ODI: N/A
2nd ODI: Some help for bowlers according to pitch report, but lots of support for spin and results speak for themselves . Indians played well tho.
3rd ODI: Pitch report suggests good batting surface. Lots of spin from start.
4th ODI: Conditions "glorious" for batting according to Wisden, but indian seamers bowled well
5th ODI: Pitch report suggests it was flat. Rare batting failure in batting conditions.

None of this proves that Indians can play well in seaming and swinging conditions. They only did well in that lone test against Eng where Rahane stood out tho we all know he can play, but the majority of the time the batting failed in unfavorable conditions especially during tests.


you forgot world cup winning indian team's royal phainty 5-0 loss against england in 2011
 
lol this icedcoffee guys is so confused, sometimes citing odis and sometimes bringing in test matches, poor guy has no clue

Oh wise one, maybe if you could focus away from carrom, you'd notice that the other poster mentioned 60 all out ie TESTs. Hence, I gave a reply about tests in accordance. Learn to read.
 
Hey hey hold your horses. We never came close to a 159 run defeat. If anything we won the games in first 35 overs then threw it away;)

hindsight is a beautiful thing mate, hahaha, and do you really believe that we as a no. 8th ranked team or better than world champion and no.1 australian team in ODIs, than if you really do it is height of delusion.
 
They couldn't reach 270 in 1st game either.

Ind vs NZ.

1st ODI:
According to Dhoni, typical swinging conditions for 1st 10-15 overs, but otherwise good for batting. Indian's could barely manage 268. I'd say this is a batting failure.
2nd ODI: Slow and assisting spin. Groundsman wasn't even sure why. Likely bowling failure.
3rd ODI: pitch report suggests again flat, but support for spin. Tied.
4th ODI: same as 2nd. slow pitch. bowling at fault.
5th ODI: Assistance for bowlers. Batting failure.

Ind vs Eng.

1st ODI: N/A
2nd ODI: Some help for bowlers according to pitch report, but lots of support for spin and results speak for themselves . Indians played well tho.
3rd ODI: Pitch report suggests good batting surface. Lots of spin from start.
4th ODI: Conditions "glorious" for batting according to Wisden, but indian seamers bowled well
5th ODI: Pitch report suggests it was flat. Rare batting failure in batting conditions.

None of this proves that Indians can play well in seaming and swinging conditions. They only did well in that lone test against Eng where Rahane stood out tho we all know he can play, but the majority of the time the batting failed in unfavorable conditions especially during tests.

I replied you with a long post in an another thread with the pitch reports of tests in SA and NZ. Perhaps you missed it.

Anyway, I know our batting will perform great on flat tracks but our bowling is as inept as grade bowling on such tracks.

On tracks with some life, our bowling will have some venom (mostly due to the tracks) but our batting will still be good enough to put a competitive score on such tracks.

Even if you analyze our test batting order, you have 2 world class batsmen who can perform everywhere in Rahane and Vijay.

And then we have a very good batsman in Kohli who has scored everywhere but England.

And then there is Pujara who scored well in SA but was in terrible form in England and Australia. But he has regained his form after a valuable stint with Yorkshire in the county circuit.

Dhawan and Rohit are FTBs.

All things considered, I will still take Indian batting over any other batting on most tracks in the world, except in England where our batsmen have collectively struggled in the recent years.

If you're talking about bowling, then that's a totally different story.
 
:))) [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] you were right, he was really going through cricinfo archives for an hour, he didn't even watch those matches and basing his opinion on cricinfo reports :)))

Of course I did, but I don't recall the conditions of games that happened more than a year ago. But yes go ahead laugh with your bf, it won't really get you anywhere. Your argument that Ind aren't FTB has no basis, and until you can prove otherwise, it will stay that way.

Shall I start talking about your records in England and Aus?

When did last time you win a series in Eng or Aus?

We beat Eng 4-1 in ODIs we last toured them.Won the Champions trophy.

We won Commonwealth bank series and recently did better than you in WC in Aus.. And all the games here in ODI series were tight. We beat them in T20 3-0.

As far as i remember, you have lost in NZ 2-0. T20s lost 2-1.
When you last toured Eng, lost 3-2, lost Champions trophy.
When you last toured Aus. Got white-washed by Aus in tests 3-0, ODI 5-0 and lost lone T20 as well.

Check your stats first then talk about others,,,,

India won 3-1, not 4-1. Commonwealthbank? you mean the one from 2008? WC? You mean the tournament where there were multiple scores of 400+? How does that prove that indians can play in swing/seaming conditions? Same scenario with recently concluded aus ODI series.

We could have tied that NZ series, and won once in Aus, but our batting is poor. But even then, Indian LOI team is better than Pak, there was never any doubt about that. Not sure why this constantly brought up.

My only issue is when Indians start calling out Aus or others as "HTB" or "FTB" one and the same really these days. It's ironic that they call out Pakistanis for being hypocritical for critiquing others while their own team struggles, yet they do the same themselves with Australia, which are a better side than them. You still lost to them in ODIs and Tests regardless of how "close" the games were.
 
Of course I did, but I don't recall the conditions of games that happened more than a year ago. But yes go ahead laugh with your bf, it won't really get you anywhere. Your argument that Ind aren't FTB has no basis, and until you can prove otherwise, it will stay that way.



India won 3-1, not 4-1. Commonwealthbank? you mean the one from 2008? WC? You mean the tournament where there were multiple scores of 400+? How does that prove that indians can play in swing/seaming conditions? Same scenario with recently concluded aus ODI series.

We could have tied that NZ series, and won once in Aus, but our batting is poor. But even then, Indian LOI team is better than Pak, there was never any doubt about that. Not sure why this constantly brought up.

My only issue is when Indians start calling out Aus or others as "HTB" or "FTB" one and the same really these days. It's ironic that they call out Pakistanis for being hypocritical for critiquing others while their own team struggles, yet they do the same themselves with Australia, which are a better side than them. You still lost to them in ODIs and Tests regardless of how "close" the games were.

I came in because what was going on seemed like everyone is trying to prove Pak > India currently. I dont care who can play what. We can win overseas thats enough for me.

If its about playing swing and seem in foreign conditions then even I dont think India is great at that but yes we are certainly best at that in Aisa.
 
I replied you with a long post in an another thread with the pitch reports of tests in SA and NZ. Perhaps you missed it.

Anyway, I know our batting will perform great on flat tracks but our bowling is as inept as grade bowling on such tracks.

On tracks with some life, our bowling will have some venom (mostly due to the tracks) but our batting will still be good enough to put a competitive score on such tracks.

Even if you analyze our test batting order, you have 2 world class batsmen who can perform everywhere in Rahane and Vijay.

And then we have a very good batsman in Kohli who has scored everywhere but England.

And then there is Pujara who scored well in SA but was in terrible form in England and Australia. But he has regained his form after a valuable stint with Yorkshire in the county circuit.

Dhawan and Rohit are FTBs.

All things considered, I will still take Indian batting over any other batting on most tracks in the world, except in England where our batsmen have collectively struggled in the recent years.

If you're talking about bowling, then that's a totally different story.

Yes, but English conditions are the hallmark of conditions that favor swing bowling. Kohli and co (cept the two) have repeatedly failed there. As far as SA goes, compare those conditions to the ones against NZ and Pak tour, and you can't argue that there was equal assistance for the pacers. Heck, the fact that SA almost managed to chase 400+ on the 5th day proves this regardless of how poor the bowling was.

I would pick the Indians too, but only because they're better than Aus at playing spin. Otherwise, Indians and Aus are both poor in heavy bowler friendly and swinging conditions apart from 1-2 players.
 
I came in because what was going on seemed like everyone is trying to prove Pak > India currently. I dont care who can play what. We can win overseas thats enough for me.

If its about playing swing and seem in foreign conditions then even I dont think India is great at that but yes we are certainly best at that in Aisa.

Not me. Least not in LOIs. In tests, it's yet to be seen, but there was a thread on this few weeks back and it concluded that only way to find out is by the end of 2016 when Pak has toured Eng/Aus as well. Anyway, my issue was mentioned in that last paragraph.
 
Yes, but English conditions are the hallmark of conditions that favor swing bowling. Kohli and co (cept the two) have repeatedly failed there. As far as SA goes, compare those conditions to the ones against NZ and Pak tour, and you can't argue that there was equal assistance for the pacers. Heck, the fact that SA almost managed to chase 400+ on the 5th day proves this regardless of how poor the bowling was.

I would pick the Indians too, but only because they're better than Aus at playing spin. Otherwise, Indians and Aus are both poor in heavy bowler friendly and swinging conditions apart from 1-2 players.

So you mean to say that all those playing well in other conditions and only England is the epitome of swing bowling and genius each and every country is poor in heavy bowler friendly conditions, including nz who were shot by sa in durban, heck even india defeated England in first test at lords.
 
Yes, but English conditions are the hallmark of conditions that favor swing bowling. Kohli and co (cept the two) have repeatedly failed there. As far as SA goes, compare those conditions to the ones against NZ and Pak tour, and you can't argue that there was equal assistance for the pacers. Heck, the fact that SA almost managed to chase 400+ on the 5th day proves this regardless of how poor the bowling was.

I would pick the Indians too, but only because they're better than Aus at playing spin. Otherwise, Indians and Aus are both poor in heavy bowler friendly and swinging conditions apart from 1-2 players.

Which is why I provided the individual pitch reports for those matches in my previous post which you seem to have missed. Every single one of those had a good amount of grass on it, except Durban. Also you seem to severely underestimate the Indian bowling. They couldn't bowl out a side for over 2 days for christ sake. India had an entire year of overseas tour in 2013-14 season. And the Indian batting stood up in most places except England, where it completely capitulated (even then, it drew one and won one, Trent Bridge admittedly being a dead pitch).
 
Funniest thing I've heard at a game, "use the force Luke", to Luke Ronchi.
 
Can you link? I didn't get a notification.

I'll post that below:
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Apologies for the late reply.

I have no doubt that India got flatter tracks in Australia. Adelaide was flat as always, but turning and ripping on the final day (ask the Aussie posters). Gabba had a bit of bounce but was flatter than the normal Brisbane track. Melbourne and Sydeny were probably the flattest tracks I saw, absolute flat beds they were. Sydney which usually assists the spinners did nothing.

But the point is, did only India receive flat tracks? The drop in pitches have been flat for a long time in Australia. The tracks were flat during the last SA tour of Aus, NZ received joke of a tracks in WACA (of all pitches, imagine the furore had India received such a track in Perth) and Brisbane. Only Adelaide was good due to the different match conditions and pink ball. The tracks against WI were super flat too.

Many people tend to believe a conspiracy that the BCCI strong arms other boards into producing flat tracks.

Other than Trent Bridge, which was a disgrace of a wicket, all the other tracks were bowling tracks only. Especially Lords was a green top.

I'll reproduce the pitch reports for our matches in the SA and NZ tour (cricinfo):

Pitch report of Jo'burg test:
"Would you look at that. The pitch report comes up and there is a "nice covering of grass on it. The sun is out and the groundsman believes the preparation has been quite perfect. It will be a little slow on the first day, but will quicken as the match progresses. There will be movement for the fast bowlers early on, but there might not be too much assistance for the spinners."

Pitch report of Auckland test:
A slight passing shower on, which hopefully won't delay the match further. "A tremendous grass coverage," says Simon Doull of the pitch. He also says the pitch is not quite rock hard because it hasn't had the sun to dry out. So he expects tennis-ball bounce, a lot of movement, but not a lot of pace.

Pitch report of Wellington test:
"The pitch report has mixed news for the batsman. Life will be tough early on, there is a considerable and even covering of grass on this deck. But as the game wears on, in the second and third days with the sun beating down it will flatten out. The outfield is fantastic. It's a lovely day out there, with a maximum of 21 degrees celsius and a humidity of 87%".

I saw all of those matches live and while they definitely weren't greatly seaming wickets, they definitely weren't flat tracks either as many will have you believe. All of these tracks had conditions which can assist the bowlers, atleast on the first 2 to 3 days.

Unfortunately, India can never win with a few ppers here. If India do well abroad, it's either because:

1. The wickets were flat or
2. The batsmen played foolish shots to crap bowling.

And if India fail in difficult conditions abroad:

1. India are FTBs and were found out on difficult tracks (which are the saving grace of test cricket)..

When India do well at home:

1. India are HTBs.
2. India can only win on doctored pitches.

When overseas teams fail in difficult conditions in India:

1. No batsman could bat on such disgraceful conditions (which of course are destroying Test cricket).

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So you mean to say that all those playing well in other conditions and only England is the epitome of swing bowling and genius each and every country is poor in heavy bowler friendly conditions, including nz who were shot by sa in durban, heck even india defeated England in first test at lords.

1st test was a draw. India beat England in the 2nd test, and that too because the English players threw the wickets away. I watched it live, and you should go listen to what the commentators said, and what the match report said.

And no, other places that have swing and seam are eligible for consideration too provided they actually do provide such conditions. Just because India played in SA, doesn't mean they got the same exact pitch conditions as NZ and Pak. Go watch some highlights of that. India got some of that during their 2010 series which they won, but that was a different team.
 
1st test was a draw. India beat England in the 2nd test, and that too because the English players threw the wickets away. I watched it live, and you should go listen to what the commentators said, and what the match report said.

And no, other places that have swing and seam are eligible for consideration too provided they actually do provide such conditions. Just because India played in SA, doesn't mean they got the same exact pitch conditions as NZ and Pak. Go watch some highlights of that. India got some of that during their 2010 series which they won, but that was a different team.


:))) do you even listen to yourself before typing, they lost because they threw their wickets, India lost because they are not good enough :))) man you have no clue about cricket
 
:))) do you even listen to yourself before typing, they lost because they threw their wickets, India lost because they are not good enough :))) man you have no clue about cricket

Exactly, he doesn't know what he says.
 
1st test was a draw. India beat England in the 2nd test, and that too because the English players threw the wickets away. I watched it live, and you should go listen to what the commentators said, and what the match report said.

And no, other places that have swing and seam are eligible for consideration too provided they actually do provide such conditions. Just because India played in SA, doesn't mean they got the same exact pitch conditions as NZ and Pak. Go watch some highlights of that. India got some of that during their 2010 series which they won, but that was a different team.
As if we are blind and didn't watched any match.
 
1st test was a draw. India beat England in the 2nd test, and that too because the English players threw the wickets away. I watched it live, and you should go listen to what the commentators said, and what the match report said.

And no, other places that have swing and seam are eligible for consideration too provided they actually do provide such conditions. Just because India played in SA, doesn't mean they got the same exact pitch conditions as NZ and Pak. Go watch some highlights of that. India got some of that during their 2010 series which they won, but that was a different team.

This is a dangerous line of argument. Then Indian fans can argue that India threw away their series after getting a win at Lord's, and justifiably so.

And since when we go by the words of commies. By that logic, Australia will be the best team in the world if you listen to channel nine, India if you listen to star sports and England in Skysports...
 
Icedcoffee we also throw away our wickets when we lose matches, and you know what we also give away runs to lose some matches :)))
 
I said this during India series but Aussies bowling attack in limited formats is pathetically weak. Yes starc is missing but they just look very poor as a bowling unit. The kiwis will however beat pretty much everyone in home conditions right now in ODIs
 
Hazelwood is Aussies second best bowler. Doubt it would make any difference with pattinson/Cummins.Yes, Starc could make a difference but that's hardly an excuse.
 
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