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New Zealand v England | 3rd Test | Auckland | March 22-26, 2013

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We have missed Swann a lot. You don't realise how much positive juju this guy brings to the Test bowling attack until he is unavailable for selection. We certainly would not have won in India without him. Anderson is noticeably unhappier without a guaranteed buffer to bowl with, and Panesar looks so, so ordinary on his own.
 
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Panesar looks ordinary because it's not a spinning track. He would be so even if Warne was helping him out at the other end.
 
James said:
We have missed Swann a lot. You don't realise how much positive juju this guy brings to the Test bowling attack until he is unavailable for selection. We certainly would not have won in India without him. Anderson is noticeably unhappier without a guaranteed buffer to bowl with, and Panesar looks so, so ordinary on his own.
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i said this on the 1st day of the Test series, u can visit that thread if you want. The guy is world class, doesnt get his due. IMO he is the best in the world.
 
Swann is our most important bowler. It'd take him above Anderson. But he wouldn't have been able to do much in the first two tests. Out for 169 you're playing for a draw at best. And the weather in the 2nd test. He'd have been handy for this 3rd test though for sure.
 
Varun said:
Panesar looks ordinary because it's not a spinning track. He would be so even if Warne was helping him out at the other end.
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exactly i've been sayin this for a while people forget that Robbie P has not played in the SUB, and have ridiculed him. I'm not saying Robbie is guaranteed success there, but lets give him a chance. I would have him outside the SUB, his runs down the order are invaluable.
 
ali bubba said:
Swann is our most important bowler. It'd take him above Anderson. But he wouldn't have been able to do much in the first two tests. Out for 169 you're playing for a draw at best. And the weather in the 2nd test. He'd have been handy for this 3rd test though for sure.
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i dont think so. What makes this guy world class is his ability to adapt. If the surfaces has no support for spinners, he has this ability of being a pain in the bottom and keep thing tight. That is where Ajmal fails, Swann was not great VS SA last year but take a look at his economy. NZ are no South Africa he would have destroyed them for their lack of patients. The guy is world class, if you have a concentration span of a fly he will destroy you!!
 
Varun said:
Panesar looks ordinary because it's not a spinning track. He would be so even if Warne was helping him out at the other end.
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He only seems to bowl well against India and Pakistan not just in SC, in England as well. That's it though. I don't recall him doing much against any other countries in tests or ODI's.
 
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ali bubba said:
He only seems to bowl well against India and Pakistan not just in SC, in England as well. That's it though.
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Hmm. I remember him being outbowled on the last tour by Vettori, who is just a roller.

He did get a michelle in Australia in 2006.
 
ali bubba said:
Swann is our most important bowler. It'd take him above Anderson. But he wouldn't have been able to do much in the first two tests. Out for 169 you're playing for a draw at best. And the weather in the 2nd test. He'd have been handy for this 3rd test though for sure.
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Swann is also invaluable in the slips. Anderson is needed heavily though, we're clueless without him. But they both work so well together, we need them both.




So anyways.

NZ > England > India > Australia from these results so far? Sounds Fair.
 
soso_killer said:
i dont think so. What makes this guy world class is his ability to adapt. If the surfaces has no support for spinners, he has this ability of being a pain in the bottom and keep thing tight. That is where Ajmal fails, Swann was not great VS SA last year but take a look at his economy. NZ are no South Africa he would have destroyed them for their lack of patients. The guy is world class, if you have a concentration span of a fly he will destroy you!!
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Pretty weird comment seeing how Ajmal is more economical than Swanny.

@Topic- The Black Caps look like a fully transformed team in this series and its not down to Taylor being back as he has only averaged a rather average 37 in this series so far. Whats up with them?
 
soso_killer said:
i said this on the 1st day of the Test series, u can visit that thread if you want. The guy is world class, doesnt get his due. IMO he is the best in the world.
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Swann is certainly world-class.

Before this tour I would have rated Cook, KP or Prior as our MVP - but perhaps after all it is Swann.
 
Oh yeah. So in half an hour, we need to take like 9/150 to not lose.

Personally I think we're gonna lose.
 
What this tour reveals is that England do not have the bowlers to win on roads.

They are an effective unit, working on the principle of building scoreboard pressure, and then bowling tightly. But they do not have a Lillee or an Imran or a Marshall who can change the game on an unhelpful wicket by taking big three wickets in five overs.

The last Englishman who could do that may have been John Snow in the seventies. Or perhaps Willis, or the younger Botham.
 
I'm aiming to watch at least a session of this. Gonna be painful.
 
Robert said:
What this tour reveals is that England do not have the bowlers to win on roads.

They are an effective unit, working on the principle of building scoreboard pressure, and then bowling tightly. But they do not have a Lillee or an Imran or a Marshall who can change the game on an unhelpful wicket by taking big three wickets in five overs.

The last Englishman who could do that may have been John Snow in the seventies. Or perhaps Willis, or the younger Botham.
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Agree. It doesn't bode well for the ashes down under as I'm sure they'll make similar wickets if they have any sense.
 
Kane gone, Jimmy finally gets a wicket, expecting a 100 off 33 from Taylor ma boy. :afridi
 
Jimmy's 4 scalps away from the 300 Test wickets club BTW.
 
England have done well today and keep taking wickets. There's still a chance they can keep NZ to 400 or so but they need McCullum out before he settles.
 
Good partnership by these two now, have played well. Big total back on.
 
Newzealand should look to score as much as they can before Tea and than they should declare.
 
Why declare? They should get bowled out. No need to declare on your 1st innings. They should make them toil
 
Robert said:
What this tour reveals is that England do not have the bowlers to win on roads.

They are an effective unit, working on the principle of building scoreboard pressure, and then bowling tightly. But they do not have a Lillee or an Imran or a Marshall who can change the game on an unhelpful wicket by taking big three wickets in five overs.

The last Englishman who could do that may have been John Snow in the seventies. Or perhaps Willis, or the younger Botham.
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In this series.... England hasn't worked well as a bowling something they had done very well before on flat tracks. (in recent times)
 
I say we flog our bowlers after this.


NZ could declare, enough up for Scoreboard pressure to collapse our idiots.
 
Oh Broad. So woefully bad this game. Southee will smack you around.
 
Finn has looked ordinary this series. He might take out a couple of tailenders this innings or maybe bowl a miraculous spell in the 2nd innings but so far he has been way below par.
 
Anfield said:
In this series.... England hasn't worked well as a bowling something they had done very well before on flat tracks. (in recent times)
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I agree. It's because of no Swann.

Many people on PP who constantly undermine Swann and/or say Panesar is better than him should seriously reconsider.
 
Lol who says Panesar is better than Swann?

I vote their PP membership be revoked.
 
James Ruri Anfield and other England fans - does this NZ series worry you ahead of the Ashes?
 
Saqib S said:
James Ruri Anfield and other England fans - does this NZ series worry you ahead of the Ashes?
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I guess not. Even if England have been below par, Australia have been horrendously bad. So alarm bells may not be ringing yet.
 
leatherface58 said:
I guess not. Even if England have been below par, Australia have been horrendously bad. So alarm bells may not be ringing yet.
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Yes but Australia is a better Test outfit than NZ no? Perhaps on par currently with the bat. Aussies have a better attack suited for Eng though.
 
They have good pacers but there is a small matter of they lasting a test. Pattinson is good but injury prone, Johnson is unpredictable, Bird, Harris, etc. are injury prone too. The spinners are well lets not go there.
 
The pitch is turning a bit, will be good to see how Martin bowls here.
NZ are 414/6 at Tea.
Should declare after scoring about 450.
 
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Saqib S said:
James Ruri Anfield and other England fans - does this NZ series worry you ahead of the Ashes?
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Not in home Ashes, as our bowlers, especially Anderson will cause nightmares for the Aussies bats and Swann will be back. Also KP tends to raise his game against Australia. The away series yes, because I can see Aussies looking at this and making similar pitches. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my thoughts.
 
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Saqib S said:
James Ruri Anfield and other England fans - does this NZ series worry you ahead of the Ashes?
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Meh, they're the flattest pitches I've seen out of the SC in a long time. And we will have Swanny back so oh well.

And our bowlers managed to force a follow on in the last test that had a just as bad pitch, if not worse.

Finn has 4 now, nearing the least deserved 5-fer an English bowler would have had recently if he does manage to get one more.
 
443/9, one more to get. Good batting effort by NZ.
 
Sad part is that Finn bowled the worst of the seamers, in my opinion.
 
I havent been following this but assume England is ahead in the series and the Hobbits are trying for a consolation win? England couldnt lose to NZ in a Test series even if they fielded an English born side.
 
Random Aussie said:
I havent been following this but assume England is ahead in the series and the Hobbits are trying for a consolation win? England couldnt lose to NZ in a Test series even if they fielded an English born side.
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You know what they say about assumptions.
 
Random Aussie said:
I havent been following this but assume England is ahead in the series and the Hobbits are trying for a consolation win? England couldnt lose to NZ in a Test series even if they fielded an English born side.
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Nah, it's the decider. Rain and flat pitches denied a 1-1 series so far, so it's 0-0.



I hope Compo and Cook grit it out again. The first 15 overs should be difficult, but after that it should be flat.
 
Random Aussie said:
I genuinely dont know what is going on in the series, please enlighten me Gandalf.
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NZ have acted smart and prepared flat roads and thus drawn the first two test matches. They have done same here. A drawn Test is like victory for them

 
And I see the alleged second best seamer in the world has 9 wickets at 34.55 for the series.

In New Zealand.

Against New Zealand batsmen.

:)))
 
Oh well, England will win this. New Zealand, like Frodo at the Cracks of Doom, come close but dont deliver.
 
Random Aussie said:
And I see the alleged second best seamer in the world has 9 wickets at 34.55 for the series.

In New Zealand.

Against New Zealand batsmen.

:)))
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You can't really talk at the moment to be honest. Your team is an embarrassment. Come join us down at the bottom of the test rankings.
 
Random Aussie said:
And I see the alleged second best seamer in the world has 9 wickets at 34.55 for the series.

In New Zealand.

Against New Zealand batsmen.

:)))
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I think they'll give us a tougher time then Aussie batsmen and I'm not even trolling when I say that.

Anyway England need another 227 to avoid the follow on.
 
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ali bubba said:
Not in home Ashes, as our bowlers, especially Anderson will cause nightmares for the Aussies bats and Swann will be back. Also KP tends to raise his game against Australia. The away series yes, because I can see Aussies looking at this and making similar pitches. Maybe I'm wrong but that's just my thoughts.
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Anderson averages 38 against us, the only person he causes nightmares for is his mum.

Time for the Hobbits to apply some pressure and get another wicket or two.
 
Big blows. Trott and Cook, now we have to somehow survive. Oh these poor idiotic batsmen.
 
I want NZ to win this. It will send some panic through the English camp just before their headline back to backs.
 
Btw I know the pitches are flat but seriously. The conditions are overcast. Surely Anderson should have been getting wickets in bucket loads here.
 
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