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New Zealand v Pakistan | 2nd Test | Hamilton | Nov 25-29, 2016 | Day 3

Hadi Rizvi said:
That wasn't positive. That was PATHETIC like Waqar said on commentary. The first ball you face in test cricket and you hook it straight to the fielder. I'm sorry but I don't want this kind of "positive" attitude.
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Honestly there is fine line between positive and suicidal.. Sohail Khan pulling Wagner for 2 sixes, the odds of that happening are like 10:1.. but it did happen, its a double edged sword..
 
MMHS said:
Which PAK youngster has that Cricketing brain? PAK players don't develop from their FC system, it was never the case. The generation of 70s & 80s were skilled youngsters - developed into professionals in Counties, which is not the option for current lot. I can tell you that Zaheer Abbas was a bigger "-*****-" than Umar Akmal - impressed in his 1st UK tour & played 15 years with Procter at Gloster - ended up with 104 First Class hundreds, including 4 matches with a double & a 150 in 2 innings..

These players won't learn anything even close to what our boys learn about mental aspect of cricket in Dhaka League, after playing 20 years in Quaid E Azam style - they have to learn it within the national setup. Imagine the 1st ball shot by Rizwan yesterday - this is his 9th season in FC cricket!!!!!!!!!! (Obviously he is 24, hence debuted at 15 in FC, Aaquib also debuted in Test at 16...). Babar is lucky that, he has got Arthur to guide him - put Amin with same set-up for a year, he'll be several times better than what MoHa couldn't in 20 years.
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Rizwan doesn't have Arthur to guide him?

Umar Amin, a guy who debuted 6 years ago? I can't see this sort of defense coming from you for Fawad Alam, who also debuted in test matches in a similar era (2009 vs 2010)
 
waleed88 said:
Rizwan doesn't have Arthur to guide him?

Umar Amin, a guy who debuted 6 years ago? I can't see this sort of defense coming from you for Fawad Alam, who also debuted in test matches in a similar era (2009 vs 2010)
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We'll have to go back lots of threads to respond this. Basically, I don't give PAK domestic stats more value than than my South London junior school stats - therefore I hardly mention FC average of 58 or 38 ....

I might be wrong, but looking at Fawad, I never get a feeling that I am watching Cricket (English version, not the French one) hence I don't bother to write, but as I mentioned several times - I don't mind if he is taken as No. 6 in Test - PAK used him at 3 against Bond ........... then played him in ODI :(

Amin, gives me an impression of a batsman, on whom works can be done; hence I do feel he should be given chance. One of my friend saw 3 PAK youngster in 2007 U19 tour of UK - he wrote to me in this order - Amir, Amin, Shehzad. I do rate his assessment highly ....
 
It's New Zealand after all where rain falls regularly. Was a good morning for our batsman, Azam in particular played well.
 
waleed88 said:
Rizwan doesn't have Arthur to guide him?

Umar Amin, a guy who debuted 6 years ago? I can't see this sort of defense coming from you for Fawad Alam, who also debuted in test matches in a similar era (2009 vs 2010)
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This part has 3 point answer -

1. You need a minimum time to impose your guidance - Rizwan was never in contention of a starting spot. With Misbah available, he won't have played a Test. Within short time, I believe Arthur is working in batches of order - also, he has to fix too many fundamentals that one shouldn't at National level, hence there is too much for him to work with back-up players. Already we have seen some positives in Babar, Sami, Sarfu, Asad & I attribute the sole credit to Arthur for Azhar's opening slot.

2. Guidance/feedback is 2 way process - one has to absorb as well.

3. There is an elasticity of any coaching - a master iron smith can make sword from rot iron bar, if there is some iron left in the bar; but even the best iron smith won't be able to make a pencil cutter out of wood, be it sandal wood
:(
 
MMHS said:
We'll have to go back lots of threads to respond this. Basically, I don't give PAK domestic stats more value than than my South London junior school stats - therefore I hardly mention FC average of 58 or 38 ....

I might be wrong, but looking at Fawad, I never get a feeling that I am watching Cricket (English version, not the French one) hence I don't bother to write, but as I mentioned several times - I don't mind if he is taken as No. 6 in Test - PAK used him at 3 against Bond ........... then played him in ODI :(

Amin, gives me an impression of a batsman, on whom works can be done; hence I do feel he should be given chance. One of my friend saw 3 PAK youngster in 2007 U19 tour of UK - he wrote to me in this order - Amir, Amin, Shehzad. I do rate his assessment highly ....
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That's the thing. Umar Amin has his basics right and his attack/defence all looks set. But some players just can not perform under huge pressure. Especially with this huge difference between QEA games and international cricket.

It could take a lot of games for Amin to feel comfortable at this level. In Pakistan no one investments this much time in you unless you are a super senior.
 
I am not that good in checking weather :( can someone tell me if more rain is predicted or not ??
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
I am not that good in checking weather :( can someone tell me if more rain is predicted or not ??
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It looks like passing showers. But you can never be 100% sure with Kiwis Weather. But i think lost of time will benefit NZL, they will take the draw any day.

But forecast isnt great for today, its rainny season of summer in NZL.
 
Good inning from young man.. very good chance of coming back in game now
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
It looks like passing showers. But you can never be 100% sure with Kiwis Weather. But i think lost of time will benefit NZL, they will take the draw any day.

But forecast isnt great for today, its rainny season of summer in NZL.
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how did you arrive to that conclusion?
 
Abdullah719 said:
Because they win the series against a team they haven't beaten in decades and gain ranking points since the opposition is high-ranked.
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I understand about series win but the OP made it sound like NZ are at disadvantage at this point in this particular game which is not the case.
 
Organising tours when it rains should be criminal. I actually hate rain days in cricket so much.
 
All on Pakistan now, they have to make all the moves to try win this Test and save the series.

I'd happily take 1-0 :)
 
Chrish said:
I understand about series win but the OP made it sound like NZ are at disadvantage at this point in this particular game which is not the case.
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Frankly, it's downright embarrassing to concede a first innings lead after winning the toss in NZ. Our wickets are usually roads from day 1/session 5 on wards.
 
Babar and Amir should hit out when they come out to bat.

Pakistan need to move the game along, no point batting it out to try get a slim lead.

They're fighting against time now too.
 
Aman said:
Babar and Amir should hit out when they come out to bat.

Pakistan need to move the game along, no point batting it out to try get a slim lead.

They're fighting against time now too.
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Is there any chance of play today?
 
MMHS said:
We'll have to go back lots of threads to respond this. Basically, I don't give PAK domestic stats more value than than my South London junior school stats - therefore I hardly mention FC average of 58 or 38 ....

I might be wrong, but looking at Fawad, I never get a feeling that I am watching Cricket (English version, not the French one) hence I don't bother to write, but as I mentioned several times - I don't mind if he is taken as No. 6 in Test - PAK used him at 3 against Bond ........... then played him in ODI :(

Amin, gives me an impression of a batsman, on whom works can be done; hence I do feel he should be given chance. One of my friend saw 3 PAK youngster in 2007 U19 tour of UK - he wrote to me in this order - Amir, Amin, Shehzad. I do rate his assessment highly ....
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There is a hunger and desire to improve yourself, Umar Amin doesn't have that, him and Shan Masood are childhood buddies, and from the same school of thought.. both don't have the desire to enter the competition and beat your competitors or improve on the shortcomings..

kinda like shehzad
 
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Aman said:
From what I've seen, I'd say very unlikely.
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Does the ground have a top class drainage system in place ?

It depends on that and if there's any more rain. Stopped for now so hopefully a glimmer.
 
90MPH said:
Does the ground have a top class drainage system in place ?

It depends on that and if there's any more rain. Stopped for now so hopefully a glimmer.
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No idea, but they usually take 40-60 minutes to dry the ground.
 
3.30pm Seems like we'll have play soon enough in the final session of the day, after rain allowed only six balls in the post-lunch session.
 
3.40pm "The umpires are out inspecting while the last of the covers is rolled up and taken away," says Fernando from the ground.
- Cricinfo
 
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Fun Fact Sohail Khan is the 3rd highest run scorer in this series. With an Average of 28.66 and a SR of 74.13.
 
3.47pm "The stumps are in the ground now. A re-start seems imminent, but drying still goes on, and there's no official word from the umpires."
- Cricinfo
 
BLACKCAPS OFFICAL TWEET
Umpires to have another look at 4pm, with a possible start time of 4.15 - looking good for some more action #NZvPAK ^CE
 
Found this tweet on twitter
Amir since return
Wickets: 23, Avg: 35.8, S/R: 72.6

IF his 12 drops were taken
Wickets: 35, Avg: 23.5, S/R: 47.7
#NZVPAK #PakvNZ #cricket
 
QalandarFan said:
Found this tweet on twitter
Amir since return
Wickets: 23, Avg: 35.8, S/R: 72.6

IF his 12 drops were taken
Wickets: 35, Avg: 23.5, S/R: 47.7
#NZVPAK #PakvNZ #cricket
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Amir eventually took the wickets of a few of the batsman anyway.
 
QalandarFan said:
Found this tweet on twitter
Amir since return
Wickets: 23, Avg: 35.8, S/R: 72.6

IF his 12 drops were taken
Wickets: 35, Avg: 23.5, S/R: 47.7
#NZVPAK #PakvNZ #cricket
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Er, that's not how cricket statistics work.

His average since his return is 35.8.
 
Pakistan would dearly want a couple of small partnerships at least here. Each run is valuable.
 
Around 240 overs of the match still possible - more than enough for all 3 results.
 
QalandarFan said:
Found this tweet on twitter
Amir since return
Wickets: 23, Avg: 35.8, S/R: 72.6

IF his 12 drops were taken
Wickets: 35, Avg: 23.5, S/R: 47.7
#NZVPAK #PakvNZ #cricket
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Bet this stat has included Raval twice and his own dropped chances.
 
Now it can rain. NZ will get a big lead if Pakistani bowl the way they bowled in last innings.
 
Mickey Arthur has been saying for months that numbers 10 and 11 need to hold an end up and score some runs.

Imran Khan needs to save his career with the bat!
 
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