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New Zealand vs Australia | Feb 20-24, 2016 | 2nd Test | Christchurch | Match Thread

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Junaids said:
To be fair, they are taking a lot of chances and the out of form Watling is the only remaining recognised batsman.

Wickets could easily tumble in a heap, and a score of less than 350 justifies inserting NZ.
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Australia should have batted first here, the track is a belter and they could have made 450+ on this track batting first.
 
Anderson giving it away after doing the hard yards.
 
Yes [MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], I agree, but Australia should knock NZ over for around 300-350 and could still build a huge lead
 
Not a bad session for enzed [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] - 199 runs at over 8 rpo :))
 
James Pattinson still has some major issues with his front foot
 
SL_Fan said:
Not a bad session for enzed [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] - 199 runs at over 8 rpo :))
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No, they continued to bleed wickets.

It's great to score quick runs, but it's criminal to be all out in less than a day.
 
It's not McCullum's fault NZ will get bowled out.

He took a massive gamble and on this occasion, and with Pattinson's usual no ball problem, it paid off.

More often than not it doesn't
 
Junaids said:
No, they continued to bleed wickets.

It's great to score quick runs, but it's criminal to be all out in less than a day.
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I'll take 199/3 in a post lunch session on Day 1 on a decent bowling track any day of the week.
 
Shotty Watling looking good. Should get to that 350 mark if the others can hang around for a bit.
 
If nz wins this the inning will be remembered forever
 
:))

All out then for 370. Pretty sure NZ would have taken that at the start of the day.
 
I hope those conspiracy theorists understand now why McCullum wanted to finish his career playing at home against Aus instead of some random team in India.
 
Gives NZ prolly around 15-20 overs today to make some early inroads. Removing Warner/Khwaja early would be huge.
 
SL_Fan said:
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All out then for 370. Pretty sure NZ would have taken that at the start of the day.
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Sure, but

1) they only lost 2 wickets until just before 20 overs, then threw away 8 wickets in 45 overs in fantastic batting conditions, and

2) at 32-2 in 19.3 overs when the Kookaburra lost its shine, 450 was probably a par score.

McCullum played a great knock, but the rest took far too many risks.

Eight wickets lost between overs 19-65 on a batting belter? That's really poor.
 
Junaids said:
Sure, but

1) they only lost 2 wickets until just before 20 overs, then threw away 8 wickets in 45 overs in fantastic batting conditions, and

2) at 32-2 in 19.3 overs when the Kookaburra lost its shine, 450 was probably a par score.

McCullum played a great knock, but the rest took far too many risks.

Eight wickets lost between overs 19-65 on a batting belter? That's really poor.
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wot

You've lost the plot Junaids
 
Junaids said:
Sure, but

1) they only lost 2 wickets until just before 20 overs, then threw away 8 wickets in 45 overs in fantastic batting conditions, and

2) at 32-2 in 19.3 overs when the Kookaburra lost its shine, 450 was probably a par score.

McCullum played a great knock, but the rest took far too many risks.

Eight wickets lost between overs 19-65 on a batting belter? That's really poor.
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370 batting first here with 15-20 overs to bowl today. I'm sure BMac and co would be over the moon. Couldn't have asked for more than that I would have thought.
 
[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION], I fully recognise that batting was hard for 20 overs - Latham and Williamson played magnificent innings of 4 (40) and 7 (69).

But suddenly and predictably just after Drinks in the morning the ball stopped moving totally and utterly. It's a Kookaburra, it's completely predictable.

And that is where my issue is. McCullum played a brilliant counter-attacking knock. But Anderson should have dug in, and Henry and Southee had no need to slog like drunken sailors.

It's a Test match. There are times to attack and times not to get out.

And when the ball is a Kookaburra, failing to use overs 65-80 is criminal. That's 60 easy runs thrown down the toilet.
 
NZ bowlers need to stand up here. All over the shop.
 
Yeah poor stuff. Few more overs of this and momentum will have completely shifted. If it hasn't already.
 
Felt a bit like watching computer game cricket today, just nz's day today and it has to be said our bowlers didn't respond well to the slogfest.

2 wickets for the kiwis tonight and they are well on top you would say.
 
wicket can't be too hard to bat on if Joe Burns has lasted this long against the new ball
 
Junaids said:
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And that is where my issue is. McCullum played a brilliant counter-attacking knock. But Anderson should have dug in, and Henry and Southee had no need to slog like drunken sailors.
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What game did you watch?

bmac had a lot more luck than anderson, was a strange combo of wonderful pure hitting and truly awful slogs, you can't say the rest were wildly slogging and he played brilliantly as they all went for it and it was just his day more than others.
 
Good couple of overs on the trot here. Took em long enough.
 
And there's the wicket. Warner goes huge wicket.
 
Khwaja's wicket would be massive. He's on another planet these days.
 
[MENTION=100030]trogger[/MENTION], you're missing my point. Which is that only one batsman should go off slogging at a time on a belter. After being 2 down in 19 overs, all out in 65 was a disgrace.
 
Junaids said:
Sure, but

1) they only lost 2 wickets until just before 20 overs, then threw away 8 wickets in 45 overs in fantastic batting conditions, and

2) at 32-2 in 19.3 overs when the Kookaburra lost its shine, 450 was probably a par score.

McCullum played a great knock, but the rest took far too many risks.

Eight wickets lost between overs 19-65 on a batting belter? That's really poor.
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McCullum took a lot of risks, and so did the rest. It only worked in the test in the UAE because KW and the others batted sensibly, not like this rabble. Aussies now have enough time to build steadily after losing Warner so early.
 
Don't see this being a draw. Unless weather gets in the way or something.
 
Junaids said:
[MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION], I fully recognise that batting was hard for 20 overs - Latham and Williamson played magnificent innings of 4 (40) and 7 (69).

But suddenly and predictably just after Drinks in the morning the ball stopped moving totally and utterly. It's a Kookaburra, it's completely predictable.

And that is where my issue is. McCullum played a brilliant counter-attacking knock. But Anderson should have dug in, and Henry and Southee had no need to slog like drunken sailors.

It's a Test match. There are times to attack and times not to get out.

And when the ball is a Kookaburra, failing to use overs 65-80 is criminal. That's 60 easy runs thrown down the toilet.
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McCullum was imo more lucky than Anderson. There is a reason he averages under 40. Takes too many risks and so do his team, inspired by his example.
 
What happened to Boult? He looks so average nowadays. He is fast becoming Junaid Khan II.
 
This is a dream track for Khawaja, Smith, Voges and even Mitch Marsh.

They should aim for 75-1 tonight and to bat until after Lunch on Day Three. That would see them up to 500.
 
Junaids said:
This is a dream track for Khawaja, Smith, Voges and even Mitch Marsh.

They should aim for 75-1 tonight and to bat until after Lunch on Day Three. That would see them up to 500.
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Why not just score 1/570 then bowl NZ out for 199 and win by an innings. You play a pretty good game from the boundry Junaids.
 
Gilly said:
Why not just score 1/570 then bowl NZ out for 199 and win by an innings. You play a pretty good game from the boundry Junaids.
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That's a pretty good idea. Hopefully Smith and Boof consider that strategy.
 
SL_Fan said:
Don't see this being a draw. Unless weather gets in the way or something.
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zero chance of a draw, we can't bat out draws and nz have to win.

My guess is we either chase down a decent total rapidly or we get rolled chasing a decent total while trying to get it rapidly.
 
Junaids said:
[MENTION=100030]trogger[/MENTION], you're missing my point. Which is that only one batsman should go off slogging at a time on a belter. After being 2 down in 19 overs, all out in 65 was a disgrace.
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i would have loved anderson shutting up shop and putting all the pressure on bmac to get things moving, would have allowed our bowlers time to catch their breath and get their heads off the constant short stuff.

Bmac will get all the hype here because he got a big record but anderson played a gem of a knock and his runs were also vital in changing the test.

praising just this one bloke for chancing his arm but condemning the rest is results oriented crap.

Everybody after williamson got out just went for it over after over which was clearly what their skipper asked for and some didn't get the luck and some did but at the end of the day they did what they needed to do and set up this game for a result so well done to them and so game on from here should be a fun few days.
 
Convict said:
wot

You've lost the plot Junaids
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450 would have been a good score, the wicket certainly eased up after the first session.

I see the Aussies putting up 500+ in their first innings.
 
The TAB have Australia at 2.20, if anyone wants some easy cash.
 
Aman said:
I have Aus ahead 65-35.
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If it was a totally dead pitch we might be just ahead but i think there will be some decent help for your boys early on day 2 so a couple in the first hour you guys are in a pretty good spot.
 
trogger said:
If it was a totally dead pitch we might be just ahead but i think there will be some decent help for your boys early on day 2 so a couple in the first hour you guys are in a pretty good spot.
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Our bowlers have been rubbish this summer and struggle to pick up wickets on flat wickets (which this wicket will be on day 2 and 3).

Neither Southee or Boult are able to ball two deliveries on the same line or length these days.

I just can't see us taking 20 wickets to win.
 
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Pattinson coming back in helps but we're really down a batsman. Marsh at the moment isn't really a full number 6 and while I think Nevill is a test class number 7 he's not good enough to make up for it.

It's well balanced at the moment but runs on the board are runs on the board so Kiwis just in front. A few quick wickets and it's a lot of work for Voges
 
Aman said:
Our bowlers have been rubbish this summer and struggle to pick up wickets on flat wickets (which this wicket will be on day 2 and 3).

Neither Southee or Boult are able to bowl* two deliveries on the same line or length these days.

I just can't see us taking 20 wickets to win.
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Convict said:
Pattinson coming back in helps but we're really down a batsman. Marsh at the moment isn't really a full number 6 and while I think Nevill is a test class number 7 he's not good enough to make up for it.

It's well balanced at the moment but runs on the board are runs on the board so Kiwis just in front. A few quick wickets and it's a lot of work for Voges
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Trust me, you've got this Test.

Boult and Southee won't be troubling too many with the form they're in.
 
trogger said:
If it was a totally dead pitch we might be just ahead but i think there will be some decent help for your boys early on day 2 so a couple in the first hour you guys are in a pretty good spot.
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It's a Kookaburra ball that is twenty overs old, and like in Wellington, after the grass browned the pitch was a road.

In the 60 overs to Tea - and the second new ball - Australia should look to turn 57-1 into 330-3.
 
NZ ahead but Oz in a decent position as well I would say. Smith is due for a biggie. Should be a good tussle.
 
Aman said:
I don't really know what it is with him.

He's got his pace back but he hasn't been able to swing the ball or build pressure on the batsmen.
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Ross Taylor was asked about this on the radio last week.

He says that this summer the red Kookaburras just barely swing on either side of the Tasman, and that the players think that Cricket Australia has significant influence over the manufacturers.

When it's not swinging, I would add that Trent Boult has the classic short fast bowler's handicap. He can't use his height to bowl a length that is very hard to go forward or back to.

It's almost the exact same problem that Junaid Khan has.
 
Junaids said:
It's a Kookaburra ball that is twenty overs old, and like in Wellington, after the grass browned the pitch was a road.

In the 60 overs to Tea - and the second new ball - Australia should look to turn 57-1 into 330-3.
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Still going to be some help that first 45 minutes, our tail pretty much starts at 6 right now so we lose 2 early we are in deep trouble.
 
Junaids said:
Ross Taylor was asked about this on the radio last week.

He says that this summer the red Kookaburras just barely swing on either side of the Tasman, and that the players think that Cricket Australia has significant influence over the manufacturers.

When it's not swinging, I would add that Trent Boult has the classic short fast bowler's handicap. He can't use his height to bowl a length that is very hard to go forward or back to.

It's almost the exact same problem that Junaid Khan has.
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The players are a bit crazy.
 
Junaids said:
Ross Taylor was asked about this on the radio last week.

He says that this summer the red Kookaburras just barely swing on either side of the Tasman, and that the players think that Cricket Australia has significant influence over the manufacturers.

When it's not swinging, I would add that Trent Boult has the classic short fast bowler's handicap. He can't use his height to bowl a length that is very hard to go forward or back to.

It's almost the exact same problem that Junaid Khan has.
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before Australia's tour Boult gave an interview where he claimed that he learned to get the wicket when ball isn't swinging.. looks like not only he hasn't learned that art but he has also forgotten the art of swinging the ball.
 
The no ball of Pattinson on which McCullum was caught at score of 39 and the dropped catch of McCullum by Hazlewood again on 39 and against Pattinson could cost Australia this game since McCullum scored 106 runs after these two events.

Not taking anything away from McCullum. It was a sensational innings indeed and to score a fastest century of 54 balls on a green top you definitely need luck to favour your bravery, dare & skillset.
 
SpellChecker said:
How so?
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Seaming pitch, bowler friendly conditions, and let Bmac off the hook at 39 when they had the Kiwis at 74/4 or smth initially... It was their game till then.

However, in tests, a choke in a single session will not necessarily end it for you, unlike an ODI where such a crucial drop could've possibly meant curtains for Aus.
 
Suleiman said:
Seaming pitch, bowler friendly conditions, and let Bmac off the hook at 39 when they had the Kiwis at 74/4 or smth initially... It was their game till then.

However, in tests, a choke in a single session will not necessarily end it for you, unlike an ODI where such a crucial drop could've possibly meant curtains for Aus.
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There Top order is enough.. 65/1 and going strong

Still smith , and that Voges to come :yk
 
SpellChecker said:
There Top order is enough.. 65/1 and going strong

Still smith , and that Voges to come :yk
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Yeah but they did choke at that moment in time, but like I said, it doesn't mean they'll necessarily lose.

If they survive this morning session then NZ will have to do really really well to stay in the game.
 
Suleiman said:
Yeah but they did choke at that moment in time, but like I said, it doesn't mean they'll necessarily lose.

If they survive this morning session then NZ will have to do really really well to stay in the game.
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That No ball was no one's fault.. Wouldn't call that a choke.. The way Bazz was hitting full credits to him.. Pure hitting
 
SpellChecker said:
That No ball was no one's fault.. Wouldn't call that a choke.. The way Bazz was hitting full credits to him.. Pure hitting
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Nah I'd call that a choke, no ball is the fault of the bowler, he was gone at 39, and had that been legal Aus was gonna finish it off.

Now they have another wicket down and onus is on Voges, if he flops then the game will be interesting.

But like I said ball is in Aus's court if they survive this session.
 
Suleiman said:
Nah I'd call that a choke, no ball is the fault of the bowler, he was gone at 39, and had that been legal Aus was gonna finish it off.

Now they have another wicket down and onus is on Voges, if he flops then the game will be interesting.

But like I said ball is in Aus's court if they survive this session.
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How would a bowler know it will be a catch of that ball ? I will call what you just said Utter nonsense..
 
It has taken the whole southern summer, but now we know that Usman Khawaja's weakness is the same as Steve Smith's.

Just bowl every single ball - no exceptions - a foot (30 cm) outside off-stump.
 
SpellChecker said:
How would a bowler know it will be a catch of that ball ? I will call what you just said Utter nonsense..
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You can call it whatever you want idc, but when you have a dangerous player like that on the crease no opportunity should be missed or you have to pay, and a team in an advantageous position missing a chance like that and letting the other team get away is a choke for me.
 
Suleiman said:
You can call it whatever you want idc, but when you have a dangerous player like that on the crease no opportunity should be missed or you have to pay, and a team in an advantageous position missing a chance like that and letting the other team get away is a choke for me.
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Apparently bowlers has eyes that looks at crease every single ball...

Who ever bowls a no ball is a choker :kohli Can't deny your logic

You win :yk
 
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