"New Zealand will hear us at the ICC": Ramiz Raja

[UzmanBeast]

Being professional and empathetic is the way to go, but the PCB, Pakistani government and fans have already thrown that under the bus and are immaturely hurling abuses, talking about conspiracies or going to the ICC because we didn't act against our government and security agencies advice.

Professional and empathetic?

Have you seen the "professionalism" shown by the New Zealand government authorities?

Why not include Pakistan in the decision-making process? Were we seriously gonna hold your team captive and force you to play an ODI game?

Safety is a priority everywhere you go in case you haven't seen the arrangements made for the New Zealand team.

There were numerous ways to call off the tour and still keep Pakistan's reputation intact, but by choosing the route that damaged our reputation the greatest, you expect us to have sympathy for you lot?

Please take the jokes somewhere else.

 

[TheSultan]

, bootlicking would be the way forward.

Pretty much sums your thinking in your own words.

 

[Aman]

Professional and empathetic?

Have you seen the "professionalism" shown by the New Zealand government authorities?

Why not include Pakistan in the decision-making process? Were we seriously gonna hold your team captive and force you to play an ODI game?

Safety is a priority everywhere you go in case you haven't seen the arrangements made for the New Zealand team.

There were numerous ways to call off the tour and still keep Pakistan's reputation intact, but by choosing the route that damaged our reputation the greatest, you expect us to have sympathy for you lot?

Please take the jokes somewhere else.

The most damaging thing to do would be to continue like everything is fine and then if something does happen and Pakistan never plays a home again in your life time. Pakistan, PCB and NZC would be destroyed in that instance.

 

[UzmanBeast]

The most damaging thing to do would be to continue like everything is fine and then if something does happen and Pakistan never plays a home again in your life time. Pakistan, PCB and NZC would be destroyed in that instance.

I never said continue.

Read some of my other posts, I fully support leaving the country if there was chatter of a threat.

You still continue to neglect what I'm saying with regards to how New Zealand dealt with this situation. They picked the option that would hurt Pakistan the most, there are other ways to announce that you are leaving without causing great harm to the hosts.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The most damaging thing to do would be to continue like everything is fine and then if something does happen and Pakistan never plays a home again in your life time. Pakistan, PCB and NZC would be destroyed in that instance.

Let’s say hypothetically something was to happen, how selfish was it of NZ government to not share the intel that they had received of an attack on the NZ team? By sharing the intel, it could’ve prevented an attack on the Pakistan team or the spectators had Pakistan decided to travel to the stadium. But, instead they chose to keep it to themselves to protect themselves and not those around them. Absolutely SELFISH.

 

[the Great Khan]

Look I think we should separate. The cricket from the govt issue. The boards agreed to the series which is a positive.

The big issue Pakistan has is that the intelligence shared was kept secret and not given to the Pakistanis.once the information became available the agencies investigated it and found no threat but NZ had already made their minds up.

So the question is who gave them the Intel? We know its probably the yanks. Now we know how 'great' their Intel is considering they killed 10 innocents based on flimsy Intel.
The NZ govt should have spoken to us and git reassurances. We could have made it a two match series and done. But they didn't. Because they didn't really want to help..

Finally what can we do..Well I'm not sure..on a cricketing level we should continue to arrange series at home..let's hope we can get the ECB to help us out..

With regards to NZ I can't see us playing them in the bear future..

I would put all my efforts on arranging something with the ECB..

On a govt to govt level we should make sure NZ realise how angry we are..we should also look for some sort of compensation from them. We should also bring up the issue of cancelled tours etc at the icc and ask that countries are compensated..we can use covid as an excuse and get saffers ECB to help..

 

[Kroll]

Yes, we should act logically but it is important to remember that New Zealand Cricket Board itself is not a financially sound board.

If Pakistan had not toured them in December 2020, it would have caused considerable revenue losses.

They too have their own problems, and thus, we can say that it won't harm them but it will.

PCB will need to make PSL more profitable before it can adopt a stricter stance towards New Zealand. Once you are making millions from the PSL, then you can easily refuse to tour New Zealand and show eyes as you put it.

However, I am not impressed by New Zealand's decision, it could have been handled much better and the option they chose deliberately put Pakistan Cricket at a standstill. Nobody would have forced them to stay had they received a security threat, but their reluctance to share this threat with the PCB and the government's armed forces is concerning. It took minutes for them to receive this "threat" but takes hours for them to dispense it?

I think that Ramiz Raja needs to steer the PCB out of this trouble, both by proving that Pakistan is indeed safe but also making a statement about the ineptness of the New Zealand Cricket Board, and their incompetence in excluding Pakistan from their decision-making.

Like I said earlier, there are still ways to recover especially with the PSL. A few seasons of the PSL happening will make things a whole lot better, but I think it's fair to say we won't be indulging in cricket with New Zealand for a while now.

Excellent post, NZ definitely could have handled this much better than they did.

 

[Shafi]

Don't put any NZ players in PSL draft. Small effort but its noticeable. Also,no play with NZ for next 10 years.

 

[Hasan123]

It’s not going to do anything. Plus it’s NZ government who made the choice not the the NZ cricket board.

 

[Aman]

Let’s say hypothetically something was to happen, how selfish was it of NZ government to not share the intel that they had received of an attack on the NZ team? By sharing the intel, it could’ve prevented an attack on the Pakistan team or the spectators had Pakistan decided to travel to the stadium. But, instead they chose to keep it to themselves to protect themselves and not those around them. Absolutely SELFISH.

GCSB official said this was a direct threat to the NZ cricket team once they stepped out of the hotel.

 

[Titan24]

GCSB official said this was a direct threat to the NZ cricket team once they stepped out of the hotel.

And they did step out to go to the airport.

Lets not beat around the bush here, they didn’t provide any concrete information or facts. Lets wait till they have something to justify it. Saying “oh we have a threat lets pack our bags” is not enough otherwise any team can pull out of any tour saying “yeah its our internal intel we will move out” as supposedly you can just say that and you dont have to provide any information.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Turns out that Pakistan’s own Central Police Office (Lahore) had issued a security advisory on Monday that suggested a threat to the New Zealand team.

It is this leaked special information report that seems to have caught the international agencies’ attention.

 

[Titan24]

Turns out that Pakistan’s own Central Police Office (Lahore) had issued a security advisory on Monday that suggested a threat to the New Zealand team.

It is this leaked special information report that seems to have caught the international agencies’ attention.

If international agencies are using a some sort of leaked report without much credibility from social media then it’s laughable stuff. Also multiple advisories are issued not only for teams but dignitaries as well covering all sorts of security protocols.

 

[Yk313]

Turns out that Pakistan’s own Central Police Office (Lahore) had issued a security advisory on Monday that suggested a threat to the New Zealand team.

It is this leaked special information report that seems to have caught the international agencies’ attention.

The FIR re. Imam Hussain (a.s)’s chehlum? I doubt that report was cited as the 5 eyes intel. If that was the intel then the notion of “not sharing” it PCB / PAK govt wouldn’t make sense.

 

[Snatch]

Could you imagine country's like England or New Zealand's cricket board chief ranting on twitter like a 16 year old school boy? Ramiz typifies much of the hysterical rhetoric we've been hearing.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Rambo is taking NZC to cleaners and hitting them out of the park. With T20WC nearing he has switched on his T20 mode. He is going bang bang. He has just started. And he has to do it for optics. He is playing to the gallery so that fans could understand that he is way too serious about it.

 

[Kriketer]

I've seen Pakistani fans threatening cutting all ties with us when they are not a major player in cricket anymore.

Realistically, Pakistan are on the same level as SL and WI as tourists. Tbh I'm not that fussed by the threats of Pakistan cutting ties with us and frankly Pakistan need us more than we need them.

They've already have no bilateral ties with India to cut the number of good opposition they face even further. If they were to cut ties with over this, it will only harm the image of Pakistan cricket to other boards who will be cautious when dealing with Pakistan and avoid touring because of their behavior in this.

Instead of being understanding of our situation and concerns they've made it all about themselves and trivial games over the safety and lives of our players. It's downright shameful.

You seem to be giving yourself a little too much importance there. NZ has no significance at world stage, neither plays any significant role in cricket, majority of NZ don't even follow cricket so you aren't much at that stage either despite you having a good team of late. Running away like bunch of sissies without sharing and providing this apparent intel is an outright joke. You are sabotaging Pakistan's image over nonsense and Pakistan shouldn't let you off easily but even reading Ramiz reaction one can tell its going to be another toothless response from Pakistan.

Waiting to take it up with ICC, that's a joke and Ramiz has already made a mockery of it.

 

[ManFan]

I've seen Pakistani fans threatening cutting all ties with us when they are not a major player in cricket anymore.

Realistically, Pakistan are on the same level as SL and WI as tourists. Tbh I'm not that fussed by the threats of Pakistan cutting ties with us and frankly Pakistan need us more than we need them.

They've already have no bilateral ties with India to cut the number of good opposition they face even further. If they were to cut ties with over this, it will only harm the image of Pakistan cricket to other boards who will be cautious when dealing with Pakistan and avoid touring because of their behavior in this.

Instead of being understanding of our situation and concerns they've made it all about themselves and trivial games over the safety and lives of our players. It's downright shameful.

And you know what your are.

Ungrateful.

 

[Itachi]

You seem to be giving yourself a little too much importance there. NZ has no significance at world stage, neither plays any significant role in cricket, majority of NZ don't even follow cricket so you aren't much at that stage either despite you having a good team of late. Running away like bunch of sissies without sharing and providing this apparent intel is an outright joke. You are sabotaging Pakistan's image over nonsense and Pakistan shouldn't let you off easily but even reading Ramiz reaction one can tell its going to be another toothless response from Pakistan.

Waiting to take it up with ICC, that's a joke and Ramiz has already made a mockery of it.

NZ has powerful friends. And isn't in bad terms with BCCI. So even in cricketing terms, NZ has way much leverage than Pakistan.

As much as I love bashing Aman, but he's right here.

 

[Itachi]

And you know what your are.

Ungrateful.

What PCB offered to NZ that rejecting which can make them ungrateful?

PCB had more to lose than NZ. Even considering to come to Pakistan after what happened in 2009 was actually generosity from NZ I must say. Other boards won't even consider it.

 

[Savak]

NZ has powerful friends. And isn't in bad terms with BCCI. So even in cricketing terms, NZ has way much leverage than Pakistan.

As much as I love bashing Aman, but he's right here.

BCCI should not intervene in a matter bw two ICC boards

 

[ManFan]

What PCB offered to NZ that rejecting which can make them ungrateful?

PCB had more to lose than NZ. Even considering to come to Pakistan after what happened in 2009 was actually generosity from NZ I must say. Other boards won't even consider it.

PCB was the first to tour NZ after the mosque attacks where BD players were present.

I’m sure you can see the hypocrisy of a threat resulting in departure with an attack resulting in touring.

 

[Itachi]

BCCI should not intervene in a matter bw two ICC boards

I thought everyone was saying ICC=BCCI in other threads.

If that's the case, why BCCI shouldn't?

 

[Itachi]

PCB was the first to tour NZ after the mosque attacks where BD players were present.

I’m sure you can see the hypocrisy of a threat resulting in departure with an attack resulting in touring.

PCB toured with a hope that NZ would return the favor.

Life doesn't go like that way. Because you did something to another person, it doesn't mean that person has obligation towards you.

 

[kingusama92]

The best approach is to table two options.

1. Pakistan doesn't play in NZ until they complete their tour of Pakistan
2. Full compensation from NZ for the resulting financial losses

NZ's handling of this situation was absurd and deserves a response. The act of blindsiding the host and not taking them into confidence is insulting because it clearly shows they don't see Pakistanis as equals.

 

[Saj]

Ramiz Raja "we have been through this situation before and bounced back and have always moved forward because we have a lot of resilience. We will do so once again"

Ramiz Raja "I say to the players whatever frustrations and anger you have about the tour being abandoned, just go out there and perform and become the best team in the world"

 

[ManFan]

PCB toured with a hope that NZ would return the favor.

Life doesn't go like that way. Because you did something to another person, it doesn't mean that person has obligation towards you.

You are correct, my friend.

But you must also remember, that when doing business, one’s word carries a great deal of legitimacy.

Now, other teams where security was an issue might never trust other boards on a reciprocation tour.

 

[Savak]

Apparently the PCB will not take any legal action learning from the lessons of the PCB BCCI Mou tussle.

 

[TeymurBlake]

BCCI technically owns the ICC and no matter what team you are other than India, Australia, England or New Zealand, you can't win against these teams outside of cricket. They are the top 4 teams in the world and they will do what they want to do.

Since NZ left Pakistan high and dry, they can cause Pakistan is a weaker cricket team and board. But I think Ramiz Raja is just assuring some of the Pakistan fans and PCB staff, that they are strong in the face of adversity.

 

[wasim-fan]

No one needed them to go against their government's orders. It's their right if they feel unsafe.

What was expected is to let the PCB know what's going on to ensure they can protect everyone including Pakistani players/staff, verify the threat, and of course help decide the next course of action. Instead, at the last minute, they had the PCB running in circles trying to find out what's happening.

Blindsiding the host in such a way is completely inappropriate and dangerous.

Except that in this case it is a host with first recorded attack on any cricket team ever. Plus the host almost on everyone forum talks about non state actors and rogue elements. This is not a usual scenario we are dealing with. The level of trust is pretty low. Not even bring OBL into this.

With destabilisation in Afghanistan, I am just surprised that they decided to come. It was no brainier.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Raja is acting like BCB president, that Papon guy who's always very emotional and always has something to say in everything.

We can act diplomatic and just politely call off any NZ tour in future. I doubt not playing NZ would hurt us.

ICC isn't going to do a damn thing. Just like they didn't do anything for SA when Aus decided to chicken out.

 

[sharmaji]

Once the dust settles in this NZ fiasco, PCB and more importantly, Pakistan has to work on rebuilding its brand in the world. As a modern, positive, progressive, developing country with freedom, opportunities and resources for everyone.

I say this, fully aware that India is also not there yet, it too has work to do in this regard, I hope the focus of both our nations is towards restoring normalcy and moving ahead with a positive outlook. Other countries will come around and respect/value us then.

 

[Savak]

BCCI technically owns the ICC and no matter what team you are other than India, Australia, England or New Zealand, you can't win against these teams outside of cricket. They are the top 4 teams in the world and they will do what they want to do.

Since NZ left Pakistan high and dry, they can cause Pakistan is a weaker cricket team and board. But I think Ramiz Raja is just assuring some of the Pakistan fans and PCB staff, that they are strong in the face of adversity.

The PCB should not be weak because they are number 4 on the ICC revenue distribution table after India, England and Australia. Pakistan unfortunately is under selling itself and is not exerting the influence it should

 

[Shafi]

Had PCB and BCB cancelled NZ tour after Christchurch incident in 2020, this drama never happened. These people are ungrateful, user and shrewd.

 

[TeymurBlake]

The PCB should not be weak because they are number 4 on the ICC revenue distribution table after India, England and Australia. Pakistan unfortunately is under selling itself and is not exerting the influence it should

But can it?

Is the PCB in a position where it will be heard and supported?

I don't think so, PCB is in a difficult position.

 

[Anis Shivani]

I never said continue.

Read some of my other posts, I fully support leaving the country if there was chatter of a threat.

You still continue to neglect what I'm saying with regards to how New Zealand dealt with this situation. They picked the option that would hurt Pakistan the most, there are other ways to announce that you are leaving without causing great harm to the hosts.

Again, New Zealand is a minor country in ever respect, except that in this instance it finds itself in the crossfire as a trivial subsidiary in the Anglo-American-Australian security umbrella. They couldn't possibly have acted in any other way to cause more damage than they did to Pakistan cricket. Biden has just made a serious countermove with Australia to check Chinese power, and the U.S. with England and Australia (and again New Zealand is a very junior partner) will do everything they can to get back at Pakistan for the Taliban victory. Pakistan is at the bulls-eye once again, because of the situation in Afghanistan, and how both America and India resent what has to be seen as Pakistan's strategic victory. I think we can all agree that at the least the intelligence New Zealand said they received should be made public. But there are so many ways to play this too, by delaying and obfuscating it, and so-called "intelligence" can be generated in so many ways to lend it false credibility, but still that should be the minimum demand. And if the intelligence is not convincing, then compensation should be demanded for the loss of revenue caused by the baseless decision. I wish Pakistan could just play Afghanistan to make up for the 8 missing matches. But here again politics is involved. What is shameful is how New Zealand, a country that is a political side note, has been put into this position to forestall tours by England and Australia, taking advantage of its zero tolerance approach to security. This is really, really bad for the future of cricket, and everyone supporting this whimsical decision should take a second look. It is ominous for what cricket has already become, more politicized than anyone would have thought possible some decades ago, and where it is headed with this sort of unprofessionalism.

 

[UzmanBeast]

Again, New Zealand is a minor country in ever respect, except that in this instance it finds itself in the crossfire as a trivial subsidiary in the Anglo-American-Australian security umbrella. They couldn't possibly have acted in any other way to cause more damage than they did to Pakistan cricket. Biden has just made a serious countermove with Australia to check Chinese power, and the U.S. with England and Australia (and again New Zealand is a very junior partner) will do everything they can to get back at Pakistan for the Taliban victory. Pakistan is at the bulls-eye once again, because of the situation in Afghanistan, and how both America and India resent what has to be seen as Pakistan's strategic victory. I think we can all agree that at the least the intelligence New Zealand said they received should be made public. But there are so many ways to play this too, by delaying and obfuscating it, and so-called "intelligence" can be generated in so many ways to lend it false credibility, but still that should be the minimum demand. And if the intelligence is not convincing, then compensation should be demanded for the loss of revenue caused by the baseless decision. I wish Pakistan could just play Afghanistan to make up for the 8 missing matches. But here again politics is involved. What is shameful is how New Zealand, a country that is a political side note, has been put into this position to forestall tours by England and Australia, taking advantage of its zero tolerance approach to security. This is really, really bad for the future of cricket, and everyone supporting this whimsical decision should take a second look. It is ominous for what cricket has already become, more politicized than anyone would have thought possible some decades ago, and where it is headed with this sort of unprofessionalism.

They could have held a joint statement and said that both parties felt that the series should take place later due to fear of COVID-19 or something along the lines.

This was an act of betrayal and should be treated as such.

 

[Anis Shivani]

They could have held a joint statement and said that both parties felt that the series should take place later due to fear of COVID-19 or something along the lines.

This was an act of betrayal and should be treated as such.

I agree, this would have been a better way, and hardly any Pakistanis, fans or otherwise, would have been upset or held it against the New Zealand board or players or government, had it been done that way, especially given the high respect the NZ prime minister is currently accorded around the world for her competence. But this was clearly designed to inflict maximum possible damage on Pakistan, prevent the England tour, leave us in the worst possible shape for the long-term future. The colonial powers and their servants (i.e. NZ) are so pathetic that they won't even allow Pakistan to enjoy something trivial like cricket. "Tum log Afghanistan mein jeet gaye, ab khelo cricket." It was, as you said, maximum possible betrayal, by a country to whom Pakistan has responded so favorably in the past. The way it was done shows that there was nothing real/genuine/substantive behind it, it was just a performance, taking orders from their masters.

 

[Cricketrenew]

Ramiz is delusional if he thinks anyone will listen in the ICC. Time for PCB to stand on its own two feet!!! Don't keep relying on others to be nice.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ramiz as a commentator never really stood Pakistan's ground in the past in the same way Imran Khan did. Why would we trust him now?

 

[UzmanBeast]

I agree, this would have been a better way, and hardly any Pakistanis, fans or otherwise, would have been upset or held it against the New Zealand board or players or government, had it been done that way, especially given the high respect the NZ prime minister is currently accorded around the world for her competence. But this was clearly designed to inflict maximum possible damage on Pakistan, prevent the England tour, leave us in the worst possible shape for the long-term future. The colonial powers and their servants (i.e. NZ) are so pathetic that they won't even allow Pakistan to enjoy something trivial like cricket. "Tum log Afghanistan mein jeet gaye, ab khelo cricket." It was, as you said, maximum possible betrayal, by a country to whom Pakistan has responded so favorably in the past. The way it was done shows that there was nothing real/genuine/substantive behind it, it was just a performance, taking orders from their masters.

Yes, you make valid points.

If New Zealand Cricket Board had issued a statement, in accordance with PCB, talking about a COVID-19 scare (their own country would also agree that they needed to be away from sources of COVID-19), people would have understood.

What's the point of asserting a security threat if you don't have the evidence to back up that claim?

It was deliberate.

 

[Mamoon]

If I am appointed as PCB Chairman, this would be my official statement:

PCB deeply regrets the events that led to the abrupt departure of the New Zealand cricket team.

The federal government of Pakistan as well as the provincial government of Punjab worked diligently to provide fool-proof security to the New Zealand cricket team. Our security forces are fully equipped to deal with any potential threats.

Rest assured, the government of Pakistan and the security forces are actively investigating the situation to ensure that this does not happen in the future. We thank the New Zealand cricket board and the government of New Zealand for their cooperation.

We hope that this tour can be resumed at some point in the future and the fans can watch great cricket between two exciting teams.

We would once again like to reiterate that Pakistan is fully equipped to host cricket. We have provided fool-proof security measures for teams over the past 6 years and the successful completion of those tours proves that Pakistan is fully equipped to deal with any threats.

Restoring international cricket in Pakistan on a permanent basis is the number one priority for PCB. We will remain in close contact with other cricket boards and would hope that ECB will move forward with their scheduled tour of Pakistan.

PCB is more than willing to listen to any reservations and concerns that cricket boards and the ICC have over playing cricket in Pakistan. We will continue to strive to ensure that the cricketing world can view Pakistan as a safe venue like any other cricket nation in the world”.

Thank you,
Mamoon
Chairman PCB

This is what a professional, smart, articulate, diplomatic and composed chairman should sound like.

Someone whose head is still on his neck.

There is no need of thumping your chests, growling, baring your teeth, showing eyes and dropping mics when the reality is that you have no credibility and no leverage.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

If I am appointed as PCB Chairman, this would be my official statement:



This is what a professional, smart, articulate, diplomatic and composed chairman should sound like.

Someone whose head is still on his neck.

There is no need of thumping your chests, growling, baring your teeth, showing eyes and dropping mics when the reality is that you have no credibility and no leverage.

Ya thats the way to go about it. Perfect. No kneek jerk reactions. Rambo let the emotions get better off him when he tweeted, that could have been avoided as it only damages whatever goodwill is left.

 

[Rana]

If I am appointed as PCB Chairman, this would be my official statement:



This is what a professional, smart, articulate, diplomatic and composed chairman should sound like.

Someone whose head is still on his neck.

There is no need of thumping your chests, growling, baring your teeth, showing eyes and dropping mics when the reality is that you have no credibility and no leverage.

Yeah this is what a coward who will achieve nothing in this scenario sounds like

 

[Shafi]

If I am appointed as PCB Chairman, this would be my official statement:



This is what a professional, smart, articulate, diplomatic and composed chairman should sound like.

Someone whose head is still on his neck.

There is no need of thumping your chests, growling, baring your teeth, showing eyes and dropping mics when the reality is that you have no credibility and no leverage.

Strange you didn't blame our security forces, PCB CEO, Pakistan government and admit that you failed to provide proper security to NZ team and apologize to them. Also expecting you to say we are failed nation, Pakistan cricket is dead, we deserve this humiliation...

 

[Mainul]

No one needed them to go against their government's orders. It's their right if they feel unsafe.

What was expected is to let the PCB know what's going on to ensure they can protect everyone including Pakistani players/staff, verify the threat, and of course help decide the next course of action. Instead, at the last minute, they had the PCB running in circles trying to find out what's happening.

Blindsiding the host in such a way is completely inappropriate and dangerous.

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Agree. The way they did it was very much unprofessional. And I really doubt the security concern of NZ intelligency organization and I have no faith on them whatsoever. What were these guys doing when one Christian terrorist planned and implemented a mass murder of Muslims in a mosque in their own country?

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah this is what a coward who will achieve nothing in this scenario sounds like

And what will the alternative achieve? Yet another cricket board that does not want to do business with Pakistan, which would lead to further isolation.

Pakistani fans need to understand something - there is literally nothing that we can do.

Let’s say we boycott New Zealand tours. So what? It might hurt New Zealand, but it will not help Pakistan in any way. It will not convince others to your Pakistan.

If England and Australia refuse to tour as well, will we boycott them as well? At the end of the day, are we only going to play with Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh?

Perhaps that is what a talentless and mentally weak team like Pakistan deserves.

 

[Mamoon]

Strange you didn't blame our security forces, PCB CEO, Pakistan government and admit that you failed to provide proper security to NZ team and apologize to them. Also expecting you to say we are failed nation, Pakistan cricket is dead, we deserve this humiliation...

That would be part of my unofficial statement. It is the truth but it is not what the world needs to hear.

 

[gazza619]

We thank the New Zealand cricket board and the government of New Zealand for their cooperation. .

What an absolute boot licking lie in the world!!!

Then again your leaders were doing to the same when they were in power, so I am not surprised.

Self respect comes at a price, your leaders had none.

 

[Mamoon]

What an absolute boot licking lie in the world!!!

Then again your leaders were doing to the same when they were in power, so I am not surprised.

Self respect comes at a price, your leaders had none.

When you have zero leverage and zero credibility, a bit of boot-licking is necessary.

 

[Rana]

And what will the alternative achieve? Yet another cricket board that does not want to do business with Pakistan, which would lead to further isolation.

Pakistani fans need to understand something - there is literally nothing that we can do.

Let’s say we boycott New Zealand tours. So what? It might hurt New Zealand, but it will not help Pakistan in any way. It will not convince others to your Pakistan.

If England and Australia refuse to tour as well, will we boycott them as well? At the end of the day, are we only going to play with Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and Bangladesh?

Perhaps that is what a talentless and mentally weak team like Pakistan deserves.

You’ve answered your own question


Nothing we do, say or try will achieve anything. So I don’t see the point of trying to be ‘thoughtful’, ‘wise’, ‘realistic’ in this situation.

We are on our own now. It is high time we take the India route and behave like the wounded tiger who wants nothing to do with those who have harmed it. If we matter, it will show. If we don’t matter, it will change nothing as it is.

 

[Mamoon]

You’ve answered your own question


Nothing we do, say or try will achieve anything. So I don’t see the point of trying to be ‘thoughtful’, ‘wise’, ‘realistic’ in this situation.

We are on our own now. It is high time we take the India route and behave like the wounded tiger who wants nothing to do with those who have harmed it. If we matter, it will show. If we don’t matter, it will change nothing as it is.

I didn’t answer my own question. I was hoping that you would answer my question but all I got was more waffle.

Here is the reality - just because New Zealand pulled out today does not mean that they will not tour Pakistan in the near or distant future.

If Pakistan plays it smart and shows diplomacy, in the long-term, this could be viewed as a small blip in the radar. A couple of successful tours by New Zealand, England and Australia and no one will remember this episode.

However, if we push too much at this point, try to arm-twist New Zealand and act tough when we are just hot air in reality, we will cause irreversible damage to our ambitions of restoring international cricket in Pakistan on a permanent basis.

Let’s get something abundantly clear - New Zealand will not apologize and they will not offer any monetary compensation for the losses that Pakistan cricket have incurred.

Abusing the New Zealand players on social media is certainly not going to increase the chances of them touring Pakistan in the future.

The issue is that our heads are not on our necks. We don’t have the capacity to think and look at the bigger picture.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When you have zero leverage and zero credibility, a bit of boot-licking is necessary.

No boot licking is only necessary for people who like licking boots.

 

[Mamoon]

There is everything to gain from diplomacy here. If Pakistan maintains cordial relations with New Zealand, there is every chance that they could return in the near future. If they do, this episode will be forgotten.

However, if we severe our ties with them and continue to abuse them, there is no chance of them touring anytime soon. Is that a favorable outcome and does it serve the interests of Pakistan cricket board?

I will repeat for the third time - we are incapable of thinking clearly and rationally at this point because our heads are not on our necks at the moment.

 

[Rana]

There is everything to gain from diplomacy here. If Pakistan maintains cordial relations with New Zealand, there is every chance that they could return in the near future. If they do, this episode will be forgotten.

However, if we severe our ties with them and continue to abuse them, there is no chance of them touring anytime soon. Is that a favorable outcome and does it serve the interests of Pakistan cricket board?

I will repeat for the third time - we are incapable of thinking clearly and rationally at this point because our heads are not on our necks at the moment.

What have we gained from diplomacy with the Indians????

What have we gained from diplomatically sending our players on tour to England and New Zealand in the last 2 years??

You don’t get it. Diplomacy is reserved for the likes of China, India and Israel. Not a poor player in the world strategy like Pakistan. The sooner we understand this the better. No one wants to appreciate our brand of diplomacy. It is high time we stand on our own and sink or sail on our own.

 

[NoBallZombie]

If I am appointed as PCB Chairman, this would be my official statement:



This is what a professional, smart, articulate, diplomatic and composed chairman should sound like.

Someone whose head is still on his neck.

There is no need of thumping your chests, growling, baring your teeth, showing eyes and dropping mics when the reality is that you have no credibility and no leverage.

Haha, can’t believe you just indirectly praised yourself with all those adjectives. Hilarious!

 

[Mamoon]

What have we gained from diplomacy with the Indians????

What have we gained from diplomatically sending our players on tour to England and New Zealand in the last 2 years??

You don’t get it. Diplomacy is reserved for the likes of China, India and Israel. Not a poor player in the world strategy like Pakistan. The sooner we understand this the better. No one wants to appreciate our brand of diplomacy. It is high time we stand on our own and sink or sail on our own.

Pakistan has been anything but diplomatic with India, be it politics or cricket, and it has got us nothing.

Pakistan was diplomatic with New Zealand and England. That diplomacy convinced these teams to tour Pakistan.

Now diplomacy doesn’t mean that they will continue to play in Pakistan if they receive a threat.

Diplomacy always works regardless of how weak and powerless you are. What doesn’t work though is reckless aggression and emotionally charged statements.

PCB and Pakistan in general fail to realize that their behavior over the last 48 hours is causing a lot of long-term damage.

 

[Rajdeep]

I dont understand what Rameez meant when he says NZ will hear us at the ICC. Hear what? The directive came from NZ govt and five eyes secret intelligence. NZ cricket board had no option rather than pulling out from the tour. ICC cannot do anything here.

I dont thing NZs intention was to damage PCB. If it was the case, they would not have even send their team in 1st place. They were all ready to play but suddenly their PM asked them to pack up and leave. Its beyond ICC, PCB or NZC here.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan should be compensated.

What New Zealand did was unprofessional.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pakistan should be compensated.

What New Zealand did was unprofessional.

PCB wont win a legal case against NZC. They will end up paying for NZC's lawyers.

 

[Kriketer]

I dont understand what Rameez meant when he says NZ will hear us at the ICC. Hear what? The directive came from NZ govt and five eyes secret intelligence. NZ cricket board had no option rather than pulling out from the tour. ICC cannot do anything here.

I dont thing NZs intention was to damage PCB. If it was the case, they would not have even send their team in 1st place. They were all ready to play but suddenly their PM asked them to pack up and leave. Its beyond ICC, PCB or NZC here.

Pakistan's image hasn't improved much when it comes to media and foregin intelligence who usually work for their own vested interest, regardless how much better things are now in Pakistan compared to a decade ago.

When NZC decided to visit they did it based on the security assessment provided by Pakistan, and if Pakistani Intelligence and Security had advised that there is a security threat then quickly departing makes perfect sense, but listening to foreign intelligence when you went there after assessing and fully trusting the local security only makes a mockery out of the country that invited you and that provided you utmost security, and all such a big threat that you kept it to yourself and left others to be at risk? It's absolutely terrible the way they handled this.

These foreign intelligence can't stop daily mass shootings and many terrorist attacks, and the amount of bogus claims they have made be it at a granular level of cavemen taking towers down or bankrupt countries with WMD. Regardless you do have a point about NZC just following orders but such a hasty move should be financially compensated and Pakistan has every right to go after NZ demanding clarifications and lost compensation, not that PCB would as they are toothless when it comes to such matters.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I didn’t answer my own question. I was hoping that you would answer my question but all I got was more waffle.

Here is the reality - just because New Zealand pulled out today does not mean that they will not tour Pakistan in the near or distant future.

If Pakistan plays it smart and shows diplomacy, in the long-term, this could be viewed as a small blip in the radar. A couple of successful tours by New Zealand, England and Australia and no one will remember this episode.

However, if we push too much at this point, try to arm-twist New Zealand and act tough when we are just hot air in reality, we will cause irreversible damage to our ambitions of restoring international cricket in Pakistan on a permanent basis.

Let’s get something abundantly clear - New Zealand will not apologize and they will not offer any monetary compensation for the losses that Pakistan cricket have incurred.

Abusing the New Zealand players on social media is certainly not going to increase the chances of them touring Pakistan in the future.

The issue is that our heads are not on our necks. We don’t have the capacity to think and look at the bigger picture.

Pakistan has no need to apologise for anything, neither do they need to do some "boot licking" as per your suggestion. Pakistan has done nothing wrong here other than offer hospitality to a touring country. Why should they feel the need to do any boot licking?

If NZ cricket board want to pull out, then that is their choice. It only matters for those who give cricket too much importance. Obviously NZ don't think it's that important, and neither should Pakistan. You boot lick if you want, it's a free world, but there is no need for PCB to do it.

 

[Saj]

Wasim Khan today "Ramiz Raja has written to NZC and that is something privately we have taken up with NZC and their Chairman. This will also be picked up with the ICC. The biggest issue we have right now is to stop anything like this being allowed to happen unilaterally. What we can do is for the ICC and us to have a discussion. Once the security agencies are involved the argument is that this gets escalated to government level and then it’s out of our hands as a cricket Board. What we have to try and work out is when reports are generated and are shared with cricket Boards that the Boards are allowed to sit down and discuss what the issues are within the report and work collectively and sort them out. If we didn’t go to NZ after the Bangladesh attack and said sorry we aren’t going what would have been the implications for NZC. The consequences of us not going to England last year what would have been the consequences financially. This is what I mean by inequality and making sure that everyone is on an equal field based not just on financial clout but based on the fact that there’s an equal clout and respect across all the members of ICC and so that we have an equal consistent policy and procedure that is followed when incidents like this occur again and make sure that something like this can’t happen again because if it happens again then it’s going to continue to put those Cricket Boards in perilous positions and we find ourselves in that position today."

 

[TheSultan]

Bootlickers always see no alternative to
Bootlicking because that is precisely why they exist. If you are a coward, you will never be convinced anything other than showing your cowardice will suffice.

Their life is based on cowardly decisions. Their thought process is cowardly and they think they are being clever by presenting being “realistic” to portray that there is nothing to gain by being anything but a coward.