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Pakistan Cricket Board today announced New Zealand will play three ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup Super League ODIs and five Twenty20 Internationals on their first tour to Pakistan in 18 years.

Rawalpindi’s Pindi Cricket Stadium will be the venue of the 17, 19 and 21 September ODIs, while the iconic Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore will stage the five T20Is from 25 September to 3 October.

While the Rawalpindi ODIs will count towards the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 qualification, third position on the ICC T20I Team Rankings will be up for grabs in Lahore.

The ICC World Test Championship winners will return to Pakistan next year to play Test matches.

New Zealand will be the first side to visit Pakistan in what will be a bumper 2021-22 season for the local cricket fans and supporters. Following New Zealand’s tour, England’s men and women sides will play white-ball matches in Pakistan before West Indies are expected to arrive in Karachi in December for three ODIs and three T20Is. Australia is scheduled to undertake a full tour in February/March 2022.

PCB Chief Executive Wasim Khan: “Series against a top-ranked side like New Zealand will be a perfect start to a mouth-watering and highly-exciting home season of red and white-ball cricket. The 2019 World Cup finalists, who are also the World Test champions and ranked third in T20Is, will draw tremendous attraction and interest from the local fans, and will reinforce Pakistan’s status as a safe and secure country.

“I am pleased New Zealand Cricket has accepted our offer to play two additional Twenty20 Internationals. These will not only provide extra games to both the countries as part of their ICC Men’s T20 World Cup preparations, but will also allow New Zealand players to spend extra days in Pakistan, familiarise with our culture and enjoy our hospitality.

“With leading cricket playing countries resuming their tours to Pakistan in 2019, I remain confident and optimistic that the 2021-22 season starting with the series against New Zealand will prove to be a catalyst in rejuvenating our talented youngsters while attracting new fans to the game that has the most passionate following in the country.”

NZC Chief Executive David White: “We’re very much looking forward to returning to Pakistan for the start of their home international season.

“New Zealand was the first country outside India to tour Pakistan and we share a close relationship with the PCB.

“It’s great that, after such a difficult time for Pakistan, international cricket is again being played in the country.”

In the Super League, Pakistan have 40 points from nine ODIs, while New Zealand have won all three ODIs and are presently sitting pretty on 30 points. The seven top-ranked sides and World Cup hosts India will progress directly for the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023 to take place in India in October/November 2023.

New Zealand last toured Pakistan in November 2003 when they played five ODIs. A year before, their last Test appearance in Pakistan was at the Gaddafi Stadium in May 2002, which is remembered for Inzamam-ul-Haq’s 329 and Shoaib Akhtar’s six for 11 in the first innings that set the platform for an innings and 324-run victory.

Since the 2003 ODI series, Pakistan have thrice hosted New Zealand for ODIs in the United Arab Emirates with the Black Caps winning the 2019-10 and 2014-15 series )2-1 and 3-2, respectively) and drawing the 2018-19 series 1-1.

However, Pakistan won the 2009-10 and 2018-19 T20I series by 2-0 and 3-0, respectively, while the 2014-15 series was tied at 1-1. New Zealand drew the 2014-15 Test series 1-1 and won the 2018-19 series by 2-1.

Series schedule

15-16 Sep – Training/practice/intra-squad match
17 Sep – 1st ODI, Rawalpindi
19 Sep – 2nd ODI, Rawalpindi
21 Sep – 3rd ODI, Rawalpindi
25 Sep – 1st T20I, Lahore
26 Sep – 2nd T20I, Lahore
29 Sep – 3rd T20I, Lahore
1 Oct – 4th T20I, Lahore
3 Oct – 5th T20I, Lahore

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Pity that it'll likely be a reserve team that'll be touring due to most of the main players away on duty in the IPL.

Good practice regardless for Pakistan and a step forward for the board in hosting another international tour.
 
How I wish they'd play a couple of Tests. All these T20 and one day matches are doing my nut in. Call me a purist but it is the Tests where a players mental strength and stamina are tested. With the situation in Afghanistan let's not make any plans just yet. I am still feeling very apprehensive.
 
If this passed the security test then let’s hope for the best. Pindi stadium is such a dump though would have been better to play in Karachi and Lahore but maybe it comes down to security.
 
offstump said:
If this passed the security test then let’s hope for the best. Pindi stadium is such a dump though would have been better to play in Karachi and Lahore but maybe it comes down to security.
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NZ might still have scars of that attack in 2002 even though for all practical purposes it should be irrelevant now.
 
NZ best players will not part of this series due to IPL so pakistan can easily clean sweep NZ "B" team .
 
Its fine - small steps - and this is a big one to be honest in number of games being played.
 
New Zealand will be touring to Pakistan after 18 years.
This is going to be very good contest.
 
Good news. Hope it is successfully completed. Also, it’s a three weeks of stay, not just fly in for few days and fly out kind.
 
Chance for legendary duo of Misbah-Waqar to continue their success run after minor aberration in England.
 
Devadwal said:
NZ best players will not part of this series due to IPL so pakistan can easily clean sweep NZ "B" team .
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Given Pakistan has a habit of playing worse against second string teams compared to the main teams, I wouldn't count on it.
 
I don't think we should be underestimating New Zealand B or C. New Zealand are always competent and push above their weight. Plus, our performances against England C haven't given us anything to be cocky about.

That said NZ touring Pakistan after 18 years is an amazing and very positive development that should be celebrated
 
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SA, NZ, Eng and then Aus (they have no reason whatsoever to not come). Cricket now is well and truly back.
 
We have no control over the IPL. Defeating any NZ side is good enough for me.
 
Happy that Cricket is well and truly back in Pakistan but sad that players are opting for League Cricket over International duties.

Playing for the Country is not the supreme now.
 
Unfortunately representation of the National team has become a secondary to extra financial gains.
 
There is no excuse from foreign players to not tour Pakistan.

Before the excuse was that players cannot go outside for and do other activities.

No that excuse is gone. Pretty much any cricket team has to stay in bio secure boble and therefor there wont be a difference of touring WI or Pakistan.
 
Where do this push the Afghanistan series? Wasn't that scheduled in Sep/Oct too?
 
Basically a future PSL XI will tour whilst the real NZ side will be playing IPL.
 
PakLFC said:
How I wish they'd play a couple of Tests. All these T20 and one day matches are doing my nut in. Call me a purist but it is the Tests where a players mental strength and stamina are tested. With the situation in Afghanistan let's not make any plans just yet. I am still feeling very apprehensive.
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I think the Tests are scheduled for next year? This isn’t bad either, as I would much rather play NZ in Pakistan instead of UAE
 
Which players apart from Williamson and Boult will partake in the IPL? I’m assuming there will be at least half of the current XI touring Pakistan, no?
 
Last Monetarist said:
Pity that it'll likely be a reserve team that'll be touring due to most of the main players away on duty in the IPL.

Good practice regardless for Pakistan and a step forward for the board in hosting another international tour.
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I am sure a NZ A team would still be a tough competition.

How many key NZ players would be unavailable? 3-4? Would still be a good side.
 
So will everyone’s favorite Saint Williamson get criticized for putting IPL money over national duty, or will he get away with it as usual because he is not Indian, English or Australian?
 
Well done to Wasim Khan who has made this happen with his exposure and knowledge of Western society, not sure others before him could have pulled this off.
 
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gazza619 said:
I am sure a NZ A team would still be a tough competition.

How many key NZ players would be unavailable? 3-4? Would still be a good side.
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There are 8 New Zealanders in the IPL. You're right though that even a reserve side will prove a challenge for Pakistan, especially if that side includes Tom Latham, Ross Taylor, and Tim Southee.
 
These (9) players will be unavailable

F Allen
T Seifert
K Williamson
M Santner
J Neesham
K Jamieson
L Ferguson
A Milne
T Boult

These will be the likely playing 11 of ODIs and T20Is respectively


ODI
M Guptill
H Nicholls
D Conway
R Taylor
T Latham +
G Phillips
M Chapman
D Mitchell
T Southee *
I Sodhi
M Henry


T20I

M Guptill
H Nicholls
D Conway +
W Young
G Phillips
M Chapman
D Mitchell
T Southee *
I Sodhi
H Bennett
J Duffy


That’s some really strong teams, despite 9 first choice players being unavailable, especially the ODI team. More than enough for a team like Pakistan

I feel NZ will win both the series. 2-1 in ODIs and 3-2 in T20Is.


Basically Australia, India, England and New Zealand all have two teams in white ball cricket, where as Pakistan keeps losing to these second string teams with their first choice 11. Worth mentioning losing matches against Zimbabwe
 
Babar_Azam_fan said:
Basically Australia, India, England and New Zealand all have two teams in white ball cricket, where as Pakistan keeps losing to these second string teams with their first choice 11. Worth mentioning losing matches against Zimbabwe
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Dont think Aus falls into that category as I guess most teams in the world can put up as ordinary second team as Aus has. Their backup and upcoming talent especially the batting talent has been struggling. They have lost 6 out of 7 T20I matches vs WI and BD. Not to forget that they had thier full bowling attack other than Cummins.
 
Williamson, Boult, Jamieson and Neesham are the only regular white ball players of NZ in the last season that will possibly be missing and most of them are rested in T20Is more often than not either ways (Last 3-4 T20 series or NZ can be looked at as sample). Ferguson missed most of the last season due to injury and Santner post injury hasnt been a regular.

People need to get better understanding of what A team means. :smith
 
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LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) wishes to host a half crowd in Rawalpindi and Lahore during Pakistan vs New Zealand white-ball tour in September-October.

Sources told ARY News that PCB will contact National Command and Operation Centre (NCOC) later this month to propose a plan to allow crowds during New Zealand’s tour to Pakistan which will happen for the first time in 18 years.

PCB wants to allow vaccinated fans in the stadium during three ODIs at Rawalpindi and five T20Is at Gaddafi Stadium. Fans will only be able to buy tickets after showing vaccination certificates issued by the government’s health department.
 
Great news about the tour but such a shame that so many of NZ's leading players won't be in Pakistan.
 
Babar_Azam_fan said:
These (9) players will be unavailable

F Allen
T Seifert
K Williamson
M Santner
J Neesham
K Jamieson
L Ferguson
A Milne
T Boult

These will be the likely playing 11 of ODIs and T20Is respectively


ODI
M Guptill
H Nicholls
D Conway
R Taylor
T Latham +
G Phillips
M Chapman
D Mitchell
T Southee *
I Sodhi
M Henry


T20I

M Guptill
H Nicholls
D Conway +
W Young
G Phillips
M Chapman
D Mitchell
T Southee *
I Sodhi
H Bennett
J Duffy


That’s some really strong teams, despite 9 first choice players being unavailable, especially the ODI team. More than enough for a team like Pakistan

I feel NZ will win both the series. 2-1 in ODIs and 3-2 in T20Is.


Basically Australia, India, England and New Zealand all have two teams in white ball cricket, where as Pakistan keeps losing to these second string teams with their first choice 11. Worth mentioning losing matches against Zimbabwe
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Since when did Fabien Allen start to play for NZ
 
Titan24 said:
Dont think Aus falls into that category as I guess most teams in the world can put up as ordinary second team as Aus has. Their backup and upcoming talent especially the batting talent has been struggling. They have lost 6 out of 7 T20I matches vs WI and BD. Not to forget that they had thier full bowling attack other than Cummins.
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Exactly...NZ/AUS hardly ever play their full strength teams in bilateral T20s

I remember when Ind toured Aus last year, Aussies fielded a rookie bowling attack resting their premier bowlers.

Infact, when Ind beat NZ 5-0 in T20s in early 2020.....that NZ squad didn't have Boult, Ferguson, Jaimeson, Neesham, Milne and even Williamson missed half the series.

But no one said that it's NZ B/C team back then.
It seems people remember this B/C team talk only when Pakistan is involved.
 
Mamoon said:
So will everyone’s favorite Saint Williamson get criticized for putting IPL money over national duty, or will he get away with it as usual because he is not Indian, English or Australian?
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Willaimson won't make an impact in the IPL either way, SRH is thriving at the bottom of the table.

The greater incentive is for players like Trent Boult, who play for franchises that dish out the cash, and also win quite often.
 
MenInG said:
LAHORE: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) wishes to host a half crowd in Rawalpindi and Lahore during Pakistan vs New Zealand white-ball tour in September-October.

Sources told ARY News that PCB will contact National Command and Operation Centre (NCOC) later this month to propose a plan to allow crowds during New Zealand’s tour to Pakistan which will happen for the first time in 18 years.

PCB wants to allow vaccinated fans in the stadium during three ODIs at Rawalpindi and five T20Is at Gaddafi Stadium. Fans will only be able to buy tickets after showing vaccination certificates issued by the government’s health department.
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Wasim Khan when asked by PakPassion.net about presence of crowds during the New Zealand tour of Pakistan:

"The decision will be dictated by NCOC not us. We won’t know until earlier September what they will allow so lots of silly speculation floating around"
 
That is incredible news. Even if full NZ squad isn't there, this is still a huge step nonetheless and paves a path forward for Australia to tour next year as well.
 
Pakistan's record against B and C teams of other countries are even worst than against their full strength tea.

Also does not matter, its A , B or C team, more importantly NZL is coming after decades. That will clear the way for all other teams.
 
good news to see pakistan will be playing regular home series again. i hope security is kept up and pakistan are good hosts.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Pity that it'll likely be a reserve team that'll be touring due to most of the main players away on duty in the IPL.

Good practice regardless for Pakistan and a step forward for the board in hosting another international tour.
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B or C team could still beat Pakistan lol.
 
Here we go: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/black-caps/126104387/black-caps-pakistan-tour-subject-to-security-reassessment-as-players-raise-concerns

New Zealand Cricket expects its Black Caps to depart for Bangladesh as planned next week, but whether they continue to Pakistan is uncertain as some players express concern over security after the Taliban’s takeover of neighbouring Afghanistan.

A second-string 15-man New Zealand squad, under captain Tom Latham and stand-in coach Glenn Pocknall, are scheduled to leave Auckland on Monday night for five Twenty20 internationals starting in Dhaka on September 1.

NZC’s public affairs manager Richard Boock said the shift to Covid-19 alert level 4 in Auckland on Wednesday wasn’t expected to affect their travel plans, for the team’s first tour since their World Test Championship final victory over India in June.

“We still have some matters to work through but we’re confident we’ll be able to arrange for the players to depart as scheduled,” Boock told Stuff.

“Regarding Covid-19, our players will be vaccinated and adhering to best-practice health protocols, including mask-wearing, social distancing and operating within bio-secure bubbles. Once in Bangladesh, they will be flying into, and out of Pakistan on charter flights.”

NZC agreed to undertake the Black Caps’ first tour of Pakistan in 18 years, with three one-day internationals and five T20s scheduled for Rawalpindi and Lahore from September 17 to October 3. As many as seven frontline members of the T20 World Cup squad including captain Kane Williamson will be absent, at the rescheduled Indian Premier League.

The remarkable events of recent days in Afghanistan provided a boost to an affiliated insurgent group, the Pakistani Taliban, the Washington Post reported, and heightened security concerns in Pakistan.

NZ Cricket Players Association boss, Heath Mills, said team manager Mike Sandle and a security consultant were currently in Bangladesh to provide a final sign-off of security and Covid biosecurity arrangements. Then, next week, NZC’s longtime independent security consultant Reg Dickason would visit Pakistan for a detailed assessment of the situation there.

“We’re very comfortable with the process we’ve got, but notwithstanding that, with events in Afghanistan in the last few days, it’s very sad what’s happening in that country and people are obviously asking questions of our security check processes,” Mills said.

“That includes players, which is completely understandable. We just need to assure them of the process, and follow it, and reach a determination.”

Dickason accompanied the Black Caps to Pakistan in 2002 when a fatal bomb blast outside their Karachi hotel on the morning of the second test saw their tour cut short. They returned to play five ODIs in late 2003 without incident, but have not returned since due to security concerns.

Mills said Dickason would undertake the standard security check of every touring nation, as agreed between the NZCPA and NZC for the past 12 years.

“That will take him four or five days and then he’ll report back, and recommend whether the tour goes ahead, or it doesn’t for whatever reason... if there are changes to whatever the plan might be.”

Assuming the tour went ahead, Dickason would remain with the group, “and at any point if he’s uncomfortable he would communicate that and the team would exit Pakistan.”

Mills said if any players decided not to tour for safety reasons they could withdraw without fear of repercussions from NZC. None had yet indicated they were reconsidering their place on the tours.

Boock said NZC was in the process of conducting its normal pre-tour reconnaissance for Bangladesh and Pakistan, led by Dickason, as it did ahead of all overseas tours.

“We have a team on the ground now. As always, we will be guided by the advice we receive.”
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Lol, if they cancel it because of Taliban coming to Afghanistan that will be beyond ridiculous.
 
Pakistan is extremely safe & secure and will continue to be so, but looks like these guys are looking to cancel their trip.
 
Boock said NZC was in the process of conducting its normal pre-tour reconnaissance for Bangladesh and Pakistan, led by Dickason, as it did ahead of all overseas tours.


keyword- normal

TBF Kiwis are the most careful of the lot, they closed the entire nation on one covid case.
 
They aren't coming. I'm sure they never really wanted to and the Taliban takeover simply serves to legitimise a refusal.

With the main players busy with IPL they are barely going to feel the pinch of cancelling the tour.
 
Better they should be watchful; may be they fear some incident might happen given some enthusiasm in our country after these events

I think, I might be too defensive like Misbah; but postponement of this tour is only going to help us, because :
1) Anyways NZ and England are going to send their C teams
2) Any minor incident, and we will say good bye for home cricket for next 10 years, even Zimbabwe will not travel in future
3) Its okay if they want to assess the situation and become confident in may be within next 6 months

It will be good, if they find some window later (in next 6 months) and commit for a full team travel
 
Only fear for me is PSL (will decent foreign players even going to travel to Pakistan in future) that is a big question
 
Thats the main thing in my opinion. As far as players have no issues and their normal process yields fine results, it should be fine.

“None had yet indicated they were reconsidering their place on the tours.

Boock said NZC was in the process of conducting its normal pre-tour reconnaissance for Bangladesh and Pakistan, led by Dickason, as it did ahead of all overseas tours.”
 
Turner raises serious concerns over Pakistan tour

New Zealand great Glenn Turner has questioned whether New Zealand Cricket has its players’ best interests at heart by agreeing to tour Pakistan next month.
Turner, a former player, coach and selector for the national team, wrote a letter to the Otago Daily Times expressing his concern.

The Black Caps leave for a tour of Bangladesh early next week and will continue on to Pakistan, where they will play three one-day internationals and five twenty20s.

New Zealand last toured Pakistan in 2003 for a five-match ODI series.

The previous year it abandoned its test series following a bombing outside its Karachi hotel. International tours to Pakistan have been rare since a bus carrying Sri Lankan cricketers was attacked by 12 gunmen in March 2009.

‘‘Just when duty of care for athletes has become a hot topic, New Zealand Cricket announces a tour to Pakistan,’’ Turner wrote.

‘‘Pakistan is not only Covid-19 ravaged, currently averaging around 4500 reported cases daily, but even more concerning are the developments of Taliban successes in neighbouring Afghanistan.

‘‘According to a BBC report earlier this month, it is likely there will be a resurgence of Taliban cells in Pakistan.

‘‘Taliban cells are already known to be present in Pakistani cities and these have a history of carrying out attacks within Pakistan.’’

Turner reiterated his comments when contacted yesterday.

‘‘Can they be that confident that things have changed?’’ he said.

NZC chief executive David White was unavailable for comment yesterday.

However, a spokesman said the players ‘‘will be vaccinated and adhering to best-practice health protocols, including mask-wearing, social distancing and operating within biosecure bubbles’’.

They will also travelling on charter flights.

‘‘In terms of safety and security, New Zealand Cricket is in the process of conducting its normal pre-tour reconnaissance for Pakistan.’’

The process will be led by independent security consultant Reg Dickason.

‘‘As always, we’ll be guided by the advice we receive.’’

https://www.odt.co.nz/sport/cricket/turner-raises-serious-concerns-over-pakistan-tour
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Lol, if they cancel it because of Taliban coming to Afghanistan that will be beyond ridiculous.
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Of course they are going to look at it. There has just been a civil war ending in a hostile, armed takeover by a regime regarded by the NZ govt as a terrorist organisation along Pakistans largest land border... As a result which said organisation now has access to weapons and aircraft never previously owned by them... said organisation has previously actively fostered and supported mass terror attacks vs western countries...

The TTP is still active and has carried out bombings vs foreign interests in Pakistan as recently as last month (9 Chinese killed at hyrdro electric plant- source that it was the TTP= the Pakistan govt own reports). Sounds pretty reasonable to at least have another look at the issue of a resurgent Taliban and see how/if it affects regional security.
 
wrongun said:
Of course they are going to look at it. There has just been a civil war ending in a hostile, armed takeover by a regime regarded by the NZ govt as a terrorist organisation along Pakistans largest land border... As a result which said organisation now has access to weapons and aircraft never previously owned by them... said organisation has previously actively fostered and supported mass terror attacks vs western countries...

The TTP is still active and has carried out bombings vs foreign interests in Pakistan as recently as last month (9 Chinese killed at hyrdro electric plant- source that it was the TTP= the Pakistan govt own reports). Sounds pretty reasonable to at least have another look at the issue of a resurgent Taliban and see how/if it affects regional security.
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From what I know, TTP is mostly defunct. Either way, that attack you mention happened in Khyber which is close to Afghanistan. (It's still pretty safe there though)

NZ are going to play in Rawalpindi and Lahore which are very safe. Also they will be given a lot of security. No excuses.
 
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Turner raises serious concerns over Pakistan tour

‘‘Just when duty of care for athletes has become a hot topic, New Zealand Cricket announces a tour to Pakistan,’’ Turner wrote.

‘‘Pakistan is not only Covid-19 ravaged, currently averaging around 4500 reported cases daily, but even more concerning are the developments of Taliban successes in neighbouring Afghanistan.

‘‘According to a BBC report earlier this month, it is likely there will be a resurgence of Taliban cells in Pakistan.

‘‘Taliban cells are already known to be present in Pakistani cities and these have a history of carrying out attacks within Pakistan.’’

Turner reiterated his comments when contacted yesterday.

‘‘Can they be that confident that things have changed?’’ he said.

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This is one laughable attempt from Mr Glenn Turner to step into a zone which he has zero knowledge about.

He was an ex cricketer, coach and selector not a defense, intelligence, strategic, medical or geo political expert. So I guess its better if he sticks to cricket and its analysis rather than trying to capture the world politics and defense space of Otago times.

I think there must be enough related people in NZ along with the aussie they have hired to carry on the checks and normal procedures so its better to hear there point of view than an ex cricketer’s attempt at explaining Taliban and their types.
 
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Titan24 said:
This is one laughable attempt from Mr Glenn Turner to step into a zone which he has zero knowledge about.

He was an ex cricketer, coach and selector not a defense, intelligence, strategic, medical or geo political expert. So I guess its better if he sticks to cricket and its analysis rather than trying to capture the world politics and defense space of Otago times.

I think there must be enough related people in NZ along with the aussie they have hired to carry on the checks and normal procedures so its better to hear there point of view than an ex cricketer’s attempt at explaining Taliban and their types.
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Agreed, Glenn Turner - what a lamer!
 
Lame excuse which will probably be latched on to by NZ to wriggle out of this tour. How is Pakistan related to anything happening in Afghanistan?
 
The issue is that Pakistan has no credibility, it is has a well-deserved reputation of hosting and protecting terrorist organizations and you cannot expect NZC to distinguish between Afghan Taliban and TTP.

With the rise of a terrorist outfit next door, it is only natural for them to be wary about and fear that it might spill over in Pakistan.

Pakistan’s cannot shed its reputation as one of the most dangerous countries in the world after a few peaceful years, and if cricket boards fear that there is a slightest possibility of a terrorist activity, they will excuse themselves from touring.

Ultimately, there is nothing PCB/Pakistan can do about it because we have no leverage on boards like NZC and our reputation is self-inflicted.
 
Honestly whatever happens in Afghanistan will have n bearing here but I do understand their concerns. PCB should assure them with the best possible security to make this tour happen. It's highly important for the our cricket future.
 
With Indian funded RAW and other anti pak groups shut down after Indian exit from Afghanistan , the threat of terrorists attacks in Pakistan are very low now.
 
I have doubts about Aussies coming anywhere near Pakistan now. Let's see what they say for their upcoming tour.
England I guess will tour due to Wasim Khans relationship with ECB.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Turner raises serious concerns over Pakistan tour

but even more concerning are the developments of Taliban successes in neighbouring Afghanistan.

‘‘According to a BBC report earlier this month, it is likely there will be a resurgence of Taliban cells in Pakistan.

‘‘Taliban cells are already known to be present in Pakistani cities and these have a history of carrying out attacks within Pakistan.’’
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If that is the case then NZ shouldn't go to India either.

After all, its neighbor (Pakistan) is home to "Taliban cells".

Isn't that the logic we're using here?
 
Mesozoic said:
Toured us in 2017. Will be touring us later this year. 4 year gap is pretty much the norm and not "very long time".
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Oh did they. Wasn't aware a recent tour had happened. Somehow I thought the last tour was one where Harbhajan Singh made a 100 or two.
 
As usual - the talk of the town will be Pakistan in a few weeks time it's just a watching game. Unless we don't get a strong message across from the top office that there isn't any infiltration happening, and that the borders are well protected - the world image will always be that Taliban are being sheltered by Pakistan.

Such is the unfortunate reality, but I am optimistic that Khan is going to get the facts in order and get this right.
 
wrongun said:
Of course they are going to look at it. There has just been a civil war ending in a hostile, armed takeover by a regime regarded by the NZ govt as a terrorist organisation along Pakistans largest land border... As a result which said organisation now has access to weapons and aircraft never previously owned by them... said organisation has previously actively fostered and supported mass terror attacks vs western countries...

The TTP is still active and has carried out bombings vs foreign interests in Pakistan as recently as last month (9 Chinese killed at hyrdro electric plant- source that it was the TTP= the Pakistan govt own reports). Sounds pretty reasonable to at least have another look at the issue of a resurgent Taliban and see how/if it affects regional security.
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I don't know if you know this but the TTP and TTA are like enemies. Afghanistan's new regime isn't going to invading Pakistan just cause they have access to jets and stuff they didn't have access to before - that's hyperbole. People really don't understand the Af-Pak region.
 
kingusama92 said:
If that is the case then NZ shouldn't go to India either.

After all, its neighbor (Pakistan) is home to "Taliban cells".

Isn't that the logic we're using here?
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India has never had a persistent terrorism threat (other than a couple of isolated incidents) let alone have a cricket team attacked on its soil, so the logic doesn’t apply.

The problem for Pakistan is its history and track-record. If boards feel that there is a slightest possibility of a terrorist activity, they will be skeptical and will not put their faith in PCB/Pakistan government.
 
Can't Imran Khan put in a word as a ex captain ? He should stress on Pakistan being distinct from Afghanistan and obviously shouldn't emphasize that "Afghanistan has broken its shackles from western occupation". NZ might have had a few soldiers in Afghanistan.
Personally I feel major Pakistani cities like Lahore are quite safe but the financial side is not lucrative for the touring teams.
England continued their India tour even after the Mumbai terror attacks. Though in 2008 India had no domination of icc or its finances like it has now.
 
Teams were touring Pakistan before 2001, before The US and Britain invaded Afghanistan to give them democracy. The Taliban were a lot more dangerous back then as social media couldn’t expose their hypocrisy as it could now.

NZ really don’t have much of an excuse, but they will get away with it as usual
 
If Wasim Khan can pull this off and get NZC as well as Australian cricket to tour Pakistan then PCB should simply extend his tenure and give the man what he asks for. This would be an astonishing achievements that would reap great rewards down the line.

Home cricket is very very important from financial, player development, interest in cricket and many other factors. We get across this hurdle and start playing more home cricket we would be back amongst top 3 cricket playing nations in 5 year time.
 
Extra_Cover said:
If Wasim Khan can pull this off and get NZC as well as Australian cricket to tour Pakistan then PCB should simply extend his tenure and give the man what he asks for. This would be an astonishing achievements that would reap great rewards down the line.

Home cricket is very very important from financial, player development, interest in cricket and many other factors. We get across this hurdle and start playing more home cricket we would be back amongst top 3 cricket playing nations in 5 year time.
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Even if WK gets the FTP And ICC Test championship points whether Aus/NZ and Eng tour or not would be a major achievement
 
Its gonna be a wait and watch game before International teams decide to tour Pak again. It should have happened sooner but for the toppling of the Afg govt. With Taliban at the helm and going by their past records, you wouldn't want to be within a few 100 kms of them. So yes, its too early to say how the Taliban ' foreign policy' pans out and how it affects Pakistan especially around the border and teams will have a close eye on developments here. Though the Taliban this time around seems reformed comparatively, with their media appearances.

But all said and done, international cricket still happened in Pak during the more seemingly dangerous Taliban - 1 b/w '96 and '01, so maybe there is nothing to worry about. As an Indian, I sure wish cricket resumes in Pakistan and fans get to watch live, in turn reinvigorating the domestic cricket scene.
 
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