One thing I do admire about India in light of the fresh violence in Kashmir

[MenInG]

The manner in which they respect their armed forces.

In Pakistan we dont bat an eyelid if one of our soldiers is killed by terrorists but on the India side, there is much more reaction and that is admirable in my point of view.

This is something we should also learn.

 

[Ed_]

Though it does not make the suffering any less, the future of the slain jawans kids and family is totally secured thanks to the contributions of the common man who are donating huge sums.

Just through Paytm gateway a sum of 5 crore rupees was collected in just 24 hours.

 

[Musakhel]

Most Indians are pretty nationalistic, pakistanis are more religion orientated.

 

[MenInG]

Most Indians are pretty nationalistic, pakistanis are more religion orientated.

Well the Army is defending Muslims.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I mentioned this years ago in another post, but in that one I was comparing Pakistan's comparing to Americans and British who consider each soldier a fallen hero, with movies made to commemorate their loss.

Indians to their credit have at least aped this in the same way they follow the lead from the west in many other things, and for that they deserve credit. Bollywood is awash with military heroics films these days, you have to give them credit, they aren't too stubborn to learn something of benefit.

 

[Realromeo]

Most Indians are pretty nationalistic, pakistanis are more religion orientated.

We have 100s of cultures and traditions, if no emphasis on being "INDIAN" is put then the whole nation will collapse.

Being Indian meant you were a proud Indian. Now like Feminism, being Indian meant you are a Hindu, you support BJP, right-wing Hindu uprising, you don't criticize the actions of your country and chest thumping.

 

[JaDed]

We have 100s of cultures and traditions, if no emphasis on being "INDIAN" is put then the whole nation will collapse.

Being Indian meant you were a proud Indian. Now like Feminism, being Indian meant you are a Hindu, you support BJP, right-wing Hindu uprising, you don't criticize the actions of your country and chest thumping.

Lol , you seem like a troll because I can be in Chennai/Delhi insult Shankara Acharya ,BJP as I want and criticize the actions as well.

 

[Greenstorm]

I agree with OP. We don't respect our martyrs in the same way Indians do though a lot of it has to do with foreign propaganda against our army. PTM and its supporters are just one minor example.

 

[barah_admi]

The manner in which they respect their armed forces.

In Pakistan we dont bat an eyelid if one of our soldiers is killed by terrorists but on the India side, there is much more reaction and that is admirable in my point of view.

This is something we should also learn.

What is admirable about supporting mass murderers?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What is admirable about supporting mass murderers?

Soldiers are just doing their jobs, they aren't the ones who decide the arena they are deployed.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Well , we are so used to death and destruction that we have almost been desensitized to it . Its sad , but its just another day in teh Pakistani society . I man noticing the same phenomenon in the U.S when it comes to mass shootings. Its sad but its has been happening so much that people have been emotionally drained.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

 

[JaDed]

How much more can Pakistan respect them by letting them rule the country for majority of its time as an Independent nation?

 

[Chokli]

Well the Army is defending Muslims.

what do you mean? are you implying pakistan's minorities don't mean anything?

 

[barah_admi]

Soldiers are just doing their jobs, they aren't the ones who decide the arena they are deployed.

Not true at all.

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

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[cricketjoshila]

A country must respect its martyrs.

The Indian army has stayed away from politics and from business. While the Pak Army is actively involved in both. That i guess makes a big difference.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't think that is true. We do respect our soldiers but our media is the one who has sold its soul. They don't cover such things as much as the Indian one does.

 

[Oxfordchamp]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

Perfect post..

 

[Slog]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

Boo freakin’ hoo

 

[Syed1]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

I understand you must be in mourning after the Pulwama attacks. Stay strong brother. Jai Hind.

 

[ExpressPacer]

The manner in which they respect their armed forces.

In Pakistan we dont bat an eyelid if one of our soldiers is killed by terrorists but on the India side, there is much more reaction and that is admirable in my point of view.

This is something we should also learn.

What in the world are you on about? I've lived in Pakistan my entire life and I can tell you for a fact that at least 90% of the people would WILLINGLY and HAPPILY go and fight for their country. Everyone feels a special love for the army. You can walk around Pakistani bazaars and actually see banners calling for the military to hold a coup.

 

[IAJ]

This is a poor thread. You have given a moral booster to the indians, you have officially given them impression of that pakistanis don’t care about it’s army. Even if that was case you try to hide your weaknesses from the enemy who want’s your destruction.

 

[Usman Chadda]

One thing I admire about India in light of the fresh violence in Kashmir, is the staggering stupidity with which a certain section of the Indian population are advocating war. War, in 2019. A lot is said about the lack of education in our country, but Indians take it to another level in showing the world how truly dumb they are

 

[emranabbas]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

100 percent true

 

[Jin Chacha]

I don't doubt the Indian's are proud of their army just like Pakistani's are but what we are seeing now is not necessarily admirable. There is a thin line between patriotism and jingoism and and the current mood in India reflects a lot more of the latter. I personally feel that it is not the Indian public but the the Indian media that is artificially creating (for lack of a better word) a war hysteria. In fact it is not even about jingoism but about media houses and political groups trying to exploit the situation as much as they can for their ratings and commercial gain. Browsing through some Indian news channels the large majority were focusing on the usual war mongering except one or two that focused on the families of the dead soldiers and that conveyed a much more profound message than the childish debates about wars and surgical strikes. The reasons behind what is happening in Kashmir are extremely complicated but the fact is that the soldiers who were killed weren't there due to some deep rooted hatred but common people from humble backgrounds who had joined the army to put food on the table. The majority of Indian media right now, however, is neither doing any introspection nor focusing on the human aspect of what happened. They just seem to have a compulsive desire to massage their egos by fantasizing about US style military operations.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Dear [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Please do not confuse the stupidity, hatred and show off of modern day internet nationalists as a reflection of their respect towards armed forces.

If Indians genuinely respected and cared for their armed forces, the jawans would be eating much better food, be given much better equipment, ground support and respectful salary for their duty. None of it is there.

The lowest ranked jawans who form 80-90% of the armed forces and are the ones who form the first line of defense, the ones who lose their lives most of the times, remain a form of a cheap and exploited labour which neither the nation nor the GOI cares about.

We live in the age of Facebook where some careless outburst, changing DP for a few days etc makes it seem you care while you literally dance and drink yourself to sleep the same day without anybody knowing. Life goes on.

You might get an impression that Indians care about their armed forces but it is just that Indians are too many and they are mostly stupid show offs.

Having said that, when you compare things with Pakistan you must realize that in your country the army isn't just army. Your army plays politics too. Your army is into business also. I think all that adds to the overall image of army in Pakistan and why many people struggle to see them as you would want to.

 

[Realromeo]

Lol , you seem like a troll because I can be in Chennai/Delhi insult Shankara Acharya ,BJP as I want and criticize the actions as well.

Im a troll you are the one who wanted to Invade Pakistan lol. BJP uprising in Coimbatore, people are automatically becoming "Hindu" and "Indian" all of a sudden. Idiots are talking about the likes of Chatrapati Shivaji lol. Siavji has no recognition in Tamil Nadu. This is all new.

 

[Stewie]

Dear [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Please do not confuse the stupidity, hatred and show off of modern day internet nationalists as a reflection of their respect towards armed forces.

If Indians genuinely respected and cared for their armed forces, the jawans would be eating much better food, be given much better equipment, ground support and respectful salary for their duty. None of it is there.

The lowest ranked jawans who form 80-90% of the armed forces and are the ones who form the first line of defense, the ones who lose their lives most of the times, remain a form of a cheap and exploited labour which neither the nation nor the GOI cares about.

We live in the age of Facebook where some careless outburst, changing DP for a few days etc makes it seem you care while you literally dance and drink yourself to sleep the same day without anybody knowing. Life goes on.

You might get an impression that Indians care about their armed forces but it is just that Indians are too many and they are mostly stupid show offs.

Having said that, when you compare things with Pakistan you must realize that in your country the army isn't just army. Your army plays politics too. Your army is into business also. I think all that adds to the overall image of army in Pakistan and why many people struggle to see them as you would want to.

Well.. damn!!!!

 

[JaDed]

Im a troll you are the one who wanted to Invade Pakistan lol. BJP uprising in Coimbatore, people are automatically becoming "Hindu" and "Indian" all of a sudden. Idiots are talking about the likes of Chatrapati Shivaji lol. Siavji has no recognition in Tamil Nadu. This is all new.

Invade Pakistan? What r u on about? I said i can criticize BJP or anyone where i want or even the Hindu leaders. BJP is dull and right wing I have said that as well, just countering your point of being 'Hindu' or Indian only if u support BJP .

 

[Zeshan547]

Show off is good thing but we will see which nation will stand stronger with their Army Cometh the Hour,, Than you will get your real answer MenIng bro,,, These so called Indian army supporters will be the most frightened ones,,, And ours will be etching to sacrifice even their lives with army. and agree our Army isn't the perfect one but when we will fight a common enemy there will be Army of 21 crore Pakistanis, I can bet my life on it. but maybe some Aas teen k saanp will still won't stand with army.

 

[Slim]

Dear [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Please do not confuse the stupidity, hatred and show off of modern day internet nationalists as a reflection of their respect towards armed forces.

If Indians genuinely respected and cared for their armed forces, the jawans would be eating much better food, be given much better equipment, ground support and respectful salary for their duty. None of it is there.

The lowest ranked jawans who form 80-90% of the armed forces and are the ones who form the first line of defense, the ones who lose their lives most of the times, remain a form of a cheap and exploited labour which neither the nation nor the GOI cares about.

We live in the age of Facebook where some careless outburst, changing DP for a few days etc makes it seem you care while you literally dance and drink yourself to sleep the same day without anybody knowing. Life goes on.

You might get an impression that Indians care about their armed forces but it is just that Indians are too many and they are mostly stupid show offs.

Having said that, when you compare things with Pakistan you must realize that in your country the army isn't just army. Your army plays politics too. Your army is into business also. I think all that adds to the overall image of army in Pakistan and why many people struggle to see them as you would want to.

Honestly speaking, keeping all bias apart i think this post is a perfect answer to the OP's question.

 

[Realromeo]

Invade Pakistan? What r u on about? I said i can criticize BJP or anyone where i want or even the Hindu leaders. BJP is dull and right wing I have said that as well, just countering your point of being 'Hindu' or Indian only if u support BJP .

ooops that`s another guy from Chennai.

 

[Akki malhotra]

Show off is good thing but we will see which nation will stand stronger with their Army Cometh the Hour,, Than you will get your real answer MenIng bro,,, These so called Indian army supporters will be the most frightened ones,,, And ours will be etching to sacrifice even their lives with army. and agree our Army isn't the perfect one but when we will fight a common enemy there will be Army of 21 crore Pakistanis, I can bet my life on it. but maybe some Aas teen k saanp will still won't stand with armyy.

Same 125 crore people will stand up for Indian army except some aastheen kee
saamp. Army has huge respect in India.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

For us Indians, country comes first and we are very patriotic people. Ofcourse there are many traitors living in India...but majority wears nationality on its sleeves. The response and solidarity entire country shown after Pulwama attack is amazing. Not only in India but NRIs in UK and US also shown their solidarity by candle march condemning the attack.

For us nation comes first and rest all can wait.

 

[Vegitto1]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and [MENTION=65183]freelance_cricketer[/MENTION] seem to be competing as to who can criticise and hate their country and countrymen the most.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

100% agree with this. I was thinking that I should add something in it but I don't want men wearing white kamiz shalwar outside my home as my children are too young.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of mankind - Albert Einstein

 

[JaDed]

Nationalism is an infantile disease, it is the measles of mankind - Albert Einstein

What about religion?

 

[Romali_rotti]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

Mamoon,

Below video from 1:40 onwards reminded me of your post:

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[Nikhil_cric]

For all this talk about war, no government in India ( Congress or Bhajpa) will ever actually go to war unless it really has to. The price is far too much to pay and absolutely pointless.

 

[kabbirann]

While India is good at paying lip service to the Indian armed forces, the perks and benefits that the Pakistani army officers get are far superior to the Indian army officers and while it is good to get respect, it would be better to get monetary benefits too.

And the present government with Jaitely as the finance minister has been particularly bad at cutting off pensions and allowances of both military and paramilitary forces.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Dear [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Please do not confuse the stupidity, hatred and show off of modern day internet nationalists as a reflection of their respect towards armed forces.

If Indians genuinely respected and cared for their armed forces, the jawans would be eating much better food, be given much better equipment, ground support and respectful salary for their duty. None of it is there.

The lowest ranked jawans who form 80-90% of the armed forces and are the ones who form the first line of defense, the ones who lose their lives most of the times, remain a form of a cheap and exploited labour which neither the nation nor the GOI cares about.

We live in the age of Facebook where some careless outburst, changing DP for a few days etc makes it seem you care while you literally dance and drink yourself to sleep the same day without anybody knowing. Life goes on.

You might get an impression that Indians care about their armed forces but it is just that Indians are too many and they are mostly stupid show offs.

Having said that, when you compare things with Pakistan you must realize that in your country the army isn't just army. Your army plays politics too. Your army is into business also. I think all that adds to the overall image of army in Pakistan and why many people struggle to see them as you would want to.

POTW FC bringing out the big guns

 

[IMMY69]

The manner in which they respect their armed forces.

In Pakistan we dont bat an eyelid if one of our soldiers is killed by terrorists but on the India side, there is much more reaction and that is admirable in my point of view.

This is something we should also learn.

There is absolutely nothing to learn from the Indians here.

You could not be further off the mark.

 

[a_tahir]

What about religion?

"Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

Why are indians so insecure? My days. If someone says anything to u, u are always ready to answer back with no apparent reason behind it.

 

[a_tahir]

There is absolutely nothing to learn from the Indians here.

You could not be further off the mark.

Look how developed Britain is, or how developed USA is. Never see them boring nationalists.

Especially british people, i've never heard them praising their army.

Indian media ,on the other hand, they are over the top. They present India as the best country in the world. There needs to be a balance. U can't just try to cover the negatives and just present the positives to your people.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's all public relations and propaganda.

Indian soldiers have posted videos showing they dont even get a decent meal!

Many nations use the deaths of it's soldiers in order to advance their foriegn policy ,the UK and US have done this many times esp those who died in Iraq to calm people down who knew their nation has taken them into an illegal and immoral war.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Rather than being an admirable quality it shows the downright hypocrisy of the Indian public.

Thousands of Indian combatants have been killed in maoist insurgencies over the years but there is no hysteria in India. The issue is swept under the carpet.

However in occupied Kashmir when an operation takes place which sadly results in the untimely demise of occupation forces the whole of India jumps up and down in rage.

Why? Because of the religion of the alleged perperator. It cuts a deep wound in the hindu psyche.

 

[Bewal Express]

I don't want to write an essay here because it will fall on deaf ears and will simply be a waste of time, but no institution has harmed Pakistan more than Pakistan Army.

Their "badmashi" is the biggest reason for the pitiful, miserable state that Pakistan finds itself in. Since partition, they have worked against the best interests of the country - from breeding terrorists, interfering in politics, monopolising businesses and ensuring that Pakistan have hostile relationship with its neighbours.

On the other hand, the Indian Army have always worked for the betterment of their country. They have understood their role perfectly, i.e. to protect the borders and not undermine civilian supremacy. The COAS in India is answerable to the PM, but in Pakistan, the PM is answerable to the COAS.

Unlike our Army, they have done everything to deserve the respect and loyalty of the Indians. Unfortunately for the former, the Pakistani people are slowly but surely becoming increasingly aware of their true face, which is why a big chunk of Pakistanis do not support them and have no sympathy for them.

It is important to note that the hostility is not directed at the "fauji jawaan". A lot of people have this misconception that the people of Pakistan do not sympathise with martyrs. We absolutely do, because the soldiers who are fighting on borders are simply following the orders of the Military elite, i.e. the real enemy of Pakistan. They are not responsible for anything, which is why we have nothing but respect for those who have laid down their lives for the country.

Once again you are desperate to please the Indians. I don't ever remember hearing a bad word from you about Ind or its oppression of Kashmiris. If it wasn't for our army the Indians would have eaten us alive. By the 60' s Pakistan would have disappeared. This is not to say that army hasn't made major mistakes but stop making Ind to be some saintly state, and stop making the Muslims as the bad guys. My dad lived pre partition and so did my uncles and the Hindu money lenders were as oppressive as the British.

 

[a_tahir]

There's nothing to "admire" about indians insulting pakistanis for a deed that hasn't even been proved that they've committed.
It's just extreme nationalism.
Patriotism is fine but wanting a war which would cause millions of deaths is just crazy.

 

[Pakpak]

Once again you are desperate to please the Indians. I don't ever remember hearing a bad word from you about Ind or its oppression of Kashmiris. If it wasn't for our army the Indians would have eaten us alive. By the 60' s Pakistan would have disappeared. This is not to say that army hasn't made major mistakes but stop making Ind to be some saintly state, and stop making the Muslims as the bad guys. My dad lived pre partition and so did my uncles and the Hindu money lenders were as oppressive as the British.

I hope people like him are vetted out when they go for the CSS exams, borderline treasonous nonsense.

 

[a_tahir]

Once again you are desperate to please the Indians. I don't ever remember hearing a bad word from you about Ind or its oppression of Kashmiris. If it wasn't for our army the Indians would have eaten us alive. By the 60' s Pakistan would have disappeared. This is not to say that army hasn't made major mistakes but stop making Ind to be some saintly state, and stop making the Muslims as the bad guys. My dad lived pre partition and so did my uncles and the Hindu money lenders were as oppressive as the British.

Before i even read who u were replying to i just knew it was [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION].
If someone hates pakistan so much then they should just leave. If he was an indian he would have been eaten alive a long time ago. He should be grateful that pakistanis are lenient on this matter.

 

[waleed88]

The manner in which they respect their armed forces.

In Pakistan we dont bat an eyelid if one of our soldiers is killed by terrorists but on the India side, there is much more reaction and that is admirable in my point of view.

This is something we should also learn.

Really? No one bats an eye when a member of the armed forces is martyred?

I think unlike some of the civilian murders that is the only time you see all of Pakistani twitter unaminously grief the solider or celebrate his life

 

[Gullycricket]

Mr Mamoon have some shame.You can criticize us in Cricket but I feel you are repulsed by the very idea of this country.You are always finding faults in our policies but safely ignore of our so called "Sainty Neighbours".I respected your cricketing posts and agreed with some of them but this is blind hatred for one's own country.

 

[Mamoon]

Once again you are desperate to please the Indians. I don't ever remember hearing a bad word from you about Ind or its oppression of Kashmiris. If it wasn't for our army the Indians would have eaten us alive. By the 60' s Pakistan would have disappeared. This is not to say that army hasn't made major mistakes but stop making Ind to be some saintly state, and stop making the Muslims as the bad guys. My dad lived pre partition and so did my uncles and the Hindu money lenders were as oppressive as the British.

Firstly, India is not "occupying" Kashmir. They legally "own" Kashmir because they ceded control to India. Pakistan gift wrapped J&K to India when the northern tribals (backed by the Pakistan government) decided to take Srinagar by force, which left Hari Singh with no choice but to seek India's help.

Once J&K became part of India, it was no longer Pakistan's problem. The Indian military would not have eaten us alive and Pakistan would not have disappeared by the 60's because the root of the conflict with India is the Kashmir problem, and it is a self-invented problem because we cannot mind our own business.

India is not a saintly state, no country is. Every country looks after its own interests first and does not fight other people's wars. Every country but Pakistan. For 72 years, we have been fighting a war that we cannot win, and a war that has been a big burden on our economy and has impeded our growth.

When the Arabs joined hands to dismantle Israel thanks to Gamal Nasser who was from the Pakistani school of thought, they suffered a heavy defeat in the Six Day War and the Arab states realised that fighting for Palestine would be a mistake, which is why they started to look after their own interests.

The year was 1967, so it took the Arabs 19 years to understand that they need to mind their own business or continue to suffer. On the contrary, it has been 72 years and counting, and Pakistan are yet to understand that fighting for J&K is holding the country back, and it is time to look after their own interests.

The day Pakistan stops poking its nose where it does not belong would be the first stepping stone towards a brighter and prosperous future. I can guarantee you that if we stop interfering in Kashmir, we will be in a much, much better state 50 years from now. However, if the status quo is maintained, nothing is going to change in the next 100 years.

 

[Mamoon]

Mr Mamoon have some shame.You can criticize us in Cricket but I feel you are repulsed by the very idea of this country.You are always finding faults in our policies but safely ignore of our so called "Sainty Neighbours".I respected your cricketing posts and agreed with some of them but this is blind hatred for one's own country.

The only people who are repulsive with the very idea of this country are the people who think with their hearts and not brains, i.e. the people who want Pakistan to continue fighting for Kashmir. I love my country and I am proud to be who I am, and I want Pakistan to prosper and reach its full potential. However, that cannot happen as long we are interfering in Kashmir and fighting a war that we cannot win.

Pakistan's foreign policy is a joke and has been a joke for 72 years, and that is why we are in this position today. We need to learn from other countries and look after its own interests. Kashmir is India's problem and we have plenty of internal problems to tackle. Billions of rupees have been wasted on this conflict and nothing good has come out of it. It is time to change our course of action.

 

[Napa]

The year was 1967, so it took the Arabs 19 years to understand that they need to mind their own business or continue to suffer. <b>On the contrary, it has been 72 years and counting, and Pakistan are yet to understand that fighting for J&K is holding the country back, and it is time to look after their own interests.</b>

The day Pakistan stops poking its nose where it does not belong would be the first stepping stone towards a brighter and prosperous future. I can guarantee you that if we stop interfering in Kashmir, we will be in a much, much better state 50 years from now. However, if the status quo is maintained, nothing is going to change in the next 100 years.

There is Pakistan the country, and there is the institution the Pakistani Army. Yes, interfering in Kashmir is holding Pakistan the country back, but also interfering in Kashmir continues the stranglehold of Pakistani Army on the country. There is a reason why Pakistani Army generals are millionaires or even billionaires and not hounded by NAB etc. like poor Nawaz.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2008/01/the-military-millionaires-who-control-pakistan-inc/

https://www.aljazeera.com/focus/pakistanpowerandpolitics/2007/10/2008525184515984128.html

I personally know Indian Army generals, and in comparison they live in penury.

Once you understand this little bit of realpolitik, the situation in Pakistan makes sense. India as the enemy is the raison d'être for the Pakistani Army. If the Kashmir issue is settled and the hostility with India ends, the results will be devastating for the Pakistani Army as then the citizens would ask why the Army generals are rich while the country is poor?

Fortunately for the Pakistani Army, there are enough Pakistanis who are incited by the idea of Kashmir to rationally think about the issues (as also in evident in this forum).

 

[slipcatch]

There is Pakistan the country, and there is the institution the Pakistani Army. Yes, interfering in Kashmir is holding Pakistan the country back, but also interfering in Kashmir continues the stranglehold of Pakistani Army on the country. There is a reason why Pakistani Army generals are millionaires or even billionaires and not hounded by NAB etc. like poor Nawaz.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2008/01/the-military-millionaires-who-control-pakistan-inc/

https://www.aljazeera.com/focus/pakistanpowerandpolitics/2007/10/2008525184515984128.html

I personally know Indian Army generals, and in comparison they live in penury.

Once you understand this little bit of realpolitik, the situation in Pakistan makes sense. India as the enemy is the raison d'être for the Pakistani Army. If the Kashmir issue is settled and the hostility with India ends, the results will be devastating for the Pakistani Army as then the citizens would ask why the Army generals are rich while the country is poor?

Fortunately for the Pakistani Army, there are enough Pakistanis who are incited by the idea of Kashmir to rationally think about the issues (as also in evident in this forum).

Pakistan has not interfere in Kashmir since 2000.

Moral support isn't same as interference.

retry.

 

[mustang]

Pakistan has not interfere in Kashmir since 2000.

Moral support isn't same as interference.

retry.

"moral support" = funding a terrorist organization and letting a jihadist leader (that the entire world calls a terrorist mind you) roam free? Why don't you RETHINK instead of parroting a brainwash narrative?

 

[slipcatch]

"moral support" = funding a terrorist organization and letting a jihadist leader (that the entire world calls a terrorist mind you) roam free? Why don't you RETHINK instead of parroting a brainwash narrative?

When was the last time Pakistani went to Kashmir to kill an Indian soldier in Indian occupying Kashmir? It hasn't happen in last 19 years or so.

Moral support, which mean, support the struggle of Kashmiri against Indian occupying Army. Every country does it.

The person who killed 41 Indian occupying Army wasn't their to sell "channay" they were their to control people against their will, Kashmiri not Pakistani, again let me repeat, Kashmiri of Indian occupying Kashmir not Pakistani, if it still does not register than repeat it multiple times.

This narrative being sold by Indian that any external country can continue to influence any group within that country without the locals is a fallacy and diversion from the truth.

A perfect example, India couldn't sustain that in Baluchistan because there was not enough support, which explain this simple fact, it is local Kashmiri, born and raised in Kashmir as Indian ( although most Indian do not accept them as Indian).

So before you go on parroting what you hear on "who can yell the loudest" shows on Indian media, take a broad look into this conflict.

Pakistan did not provide weapon, did not provide the car, did not send anyone to train them.

So, yea, Moral support.

 

[topspin]

How do you expect Pakistanis to hold the same affection and respect towards the army when there are sections of the military who have secret treaties with politicians behind closed doors?

Due to the power hungry approach of the military, the ruling govt is not only powerless to command them but actually requires their approval and blessing to rule the country. In exchange the army reaps all kind of benefits and is allowed to freely roam around the borders to serve their best interests.

I don't agree with Mamoon's rhetoric with all the bashing of IK but he is right about the Pakistan army holding the country back.

 

[slipcatch]

How do you expect Pakistanis to hold the same affection and respect towards the army when there are sections of the military who have secret treaties with politicians behind closed doors?

Due to the power hungry approach of the military, the ruling govt is not only powerless to command them but actually requires their approval and blessing to rule the country. In exchange the army reaps all kind of benefits and is allowed to freely roam around the borders to serve their best interests.

I don't agree with Mamoon's rhetoric with all the bashing of IK but he is right about the Pakistan army holding the country back.

It was certainly true but it isn't anymore.

Three consecutive elections.

Until Army come back into power it will remain to be untrue.

I hope people do not come back with Nawas Sharif was disqualified because of Army.

 

[sshakir411]

The only thing about India that has ever amazed me is how the entire country has one opinion. There is a severe shortage of genuine ideas, opinions, etc across India. They all have the same reasoning and same list of responses.

Heard the Indian ambassador to France on France 24 yesterday and his replies were exactly what SIF and Joshilla were replying in the other threads.

To think on your own and develop your own argument, logic, understanding, or opinion is freedom Indians don’t know of.

 

[JaDed]

The only thing about India that has ever amazed me is how the entire country has one opinion. There is a severe shortage of genuine ideas, opinions, etc across India. They all have the same reasoning and same list of responses.

Heard the Indian ambassador to France on France 24 yesterday and his replies were exactly what SIF and Joshilla were replying in the other threads.

To think on your own and develop your own argument, logic, understanding, or opinion is freedom Indians don’t know of.

Thats not true, alternate opinions can be read on the wire /fountain ink or meetings of SFI, JNU..

 

[ahsan17]

The only thing about India that has ever amazed me is how the entire country has one opinion. There is a severe shortage of genuine ideas, opinions, etc across India. They all have the same reasoning and same list of responses.

Heard the Indian ambassador to France on France 24 yesterday and his replies were exactly what SIF and Joshilla were replying in the other threads.

To think on your own and develop your own argument, logic, understanding, or opinion is freedom Indians don’t know of.

I have mentioned this several times before. It is like hive mentality. Yes there are a few Indians here and there that have different opinions, but in general there is little to no diversity of opinion in India - and not just when it comes to Pakistan. I can't find any other nation like this where everyone seems to be a clone of each other when it comes to politics.

And the same is the case when it comes to criticising India or stating facts about India that could be considered negative. They get incredibly sensitive, insecure and defensive. "Your country has this other problem" or "your country is worse", etc are the typical response. If it was a few individuals who respond like that it would've been one thing, but almost everyone from that country seems to be like that. Again, I can't find any other nation like that.

 

[JaDed]

I have mentioned this several times before. It is like hive mentality. Yes there are a few Indians here and there that have different opinions, but in general there is little to no diversity of opinion in India - and not just when it comes to Pakistan. I can't find any other nation like this where everyone seems to be a clone of each other when it comes to politics.

And the same is the case when it comes to criticising India or stating facts about India that could be considered negative. They get incredibly sensitive, insecure and defensive. "Your country has this other problem" or "your country is worse", etc are the typical response. If it was a few individuals who respond like that it would've been one thing, but almost everyone from that country seems to be like that. Again, I can't find any other nation like that.

How many of 1.2 billion you have met?
Assuming its majority considering your opinion.. could you please ask them whom they are going to vote this election so i can buy shares/forex accordingly,thanks in advance.

 

[sshakir411]

How many of 1.2 billion you have met?
Assuming its majority considering your opinion.. could you please ask them whom they are going to vote this election so i can buy shares/forex accordingly,thanks in advance.

Jaded bhai, we don’t mean to paint all of you with the same brush but it’s not a coincidence when the Indian ambassador to France has the same arguments as PP posters. And it literally was word to word. The channel is called France 24 and it was their latest video on South East Asia..you can find it on YouTube.

 

[Sachin136]

The only thing about India that has ever amazed me is how the entire country has one opinion. There is a severe shortage of genuine ideas, opinions, etc across India. They all have the same reasoning and same list of responses.

Heard the Indian ambassador to France on France 24 yesterday and his replies were exactly what SIF and Joshilla were replying in the other threads.

To think on your own and develop your own argument, logic, understanding, or opinion is freedom Indians don’t know of.

If sympathizing with terrorists is what you consider to be an original opinion, then I'm glad Indians have a hive mind mentality.

Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe Indians aren't mentally disabled and can think on their own, but still have similar opinions because it's the only logical one?

 

[sshakir411]

If sympathizing with terrorists is what you consider to be an original opinion, then I'm glad Indians have a hive mind mentality.

Have you ever considered the possibility that maybe Indians aren't mentally disabled and can think on their own, but still have similar opinions because it's the only logical one?

Stupid and emotional response just like many other fellow countrymen of yours. Re-read what I wrote.

 

[ahsan17]

How many of 1.2 billion you have met?
Assuming its majority considering your opinion.. could you please ask them whom they are going to vote this election so i can buy shares/forex accordingly,thanks in advance.

How many people do pollsters talk to to make predictions for elections? Is it half the population?

In any case, I am just talking about my personal experiences for meeting Indians online and in person. There is slightly more variety in person but it's not a significant difference. Many other people notice the same thing about Indians.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Dear [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Please do not confuse the stupidity, hatred and show off of modern day internet nationalists as a reflection of their respect towards armed forces.

If Indians genuinely respected and cared for their armed forces, the jawans would be eating much better food, be given much better equipment, ground support and respectful salary for their duty. None of it is there.

The lowest ranked jawans who form 80-90% of the armed forces and are the ones who form the first line of defense, the ones who lose their lives most of the times, remain a form of a cheap and exploited labour which neither the nation nor the GOI cares about.

We live in the age of Facebook where some careless outburst, changing DP for a few days etc makes it seem you care while you literally dance and drink yourself to sleep the same day without anybody knowing. Life goes on.

You might get an impression that Indians care about their armed forces but it is just that Indians are too many and they are mostly stupid show offs.

Having said that, when you compare things with Pakistan you must realize that in your country the army isn't just army. Your army plays politics too. Your army is into business also. I think all that adds to the overall image of army in Pakistan and why many people struggle to see them as you would want to.

This post is bang in.

If God forbid there was an attack on the Pakistani army tomorrow & the Pakistani government started claiming it was carried out by India - you would see every Tom, Dick and Harry coming out in support of the Pakistani army as if their lives depended on it.

You would see the outrage across social media, you would see the breaking news across the news channels and you would see everyone getting jazbati

As a nation - both Pakistan and India is filled with jazbati people which brings out the best and the worst in both of them.

Lastly please let me clarify my own stance on the matter. I strongly believe that if someone is willing to fight for and defend their land and their country they should be given the utmost of respect. It's not the guy on the front line, risking his life who should be hated. It's the power hungry, money grabbing idiots in the background who are pulling all the strings who should be hated.