Outrage after Pakistan’s PM Imran Khan links rape to how women dress

[KingKhanWC]

To those comparing the UK and Pakistan, that's a weird way to deflect from IK's stupid points, but I'll address this.

First of all, the UK is far more equal between the sexes than Pakistan is. There is little-to-no stigma of women working, going out on their own, dressing how they want, etc. When women have more freedom and are able to go out, there is obviously a higher chance of getting catcalled, assaulted, or otherwise. Does UK have a problem? Of course, the fact that the assault rate is non-zero is a huge problem. Also, due to the honour culture in Pakistan (and India) there is less chance of rapes being reported.

Let's also delve into the rape stats (ugh, sounds horrible to say that). I accessed them here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...exualoffendingministryofjusticeappendixtables

It breaks down the ethnicities of the perpetrators. 57.6% are white, 8.4% are Asian. That may look damning, but considering white people make up 80% of the UK, and Asians make up around 6%, white people are underrepresented, and Asians are overrepresented. This supports the idea of (South) Asian cultures being oppressive, patriarchal, and lacking in sex education considering there is such an overrepresentation. So doing 'pardah' would only covering the issue up (mind the pun), rather than treating the root cause of it. South Asia desperately needs better sex education, men need to be taught about consent, and these archaic notions and practices need to be dispelled. We being Pakistanis (and some Indians here too) should be most disgusted about these stats, because I know none of the people on this forum would ever think to do anything as obscene as assaulting a women. There is a huge need for sexual education in South Asia, and the problem cannot be remedied by simply covering women up. It is neither fair to the women, nor is it a solution.

What a stupid post.

Those Asians are UK British, their culture is British firstly not Pakistani. Rape abuse has occured far too often 100% but those indulge in alcohol, drugs, fornication, these are British cultural , secular practices not Islamic. Their ethnicity isnt the issue, the culture they live in has given them freedom which they are exploiting because they are criminals.

Many times more women are sexually harrased in the UK compared to Pakistan. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I know you hate secularism, but you have no clue what you're talking about. You're using anecdotes, and perhaps wishful thinking. I have provided data in a post below. To say it's a man's right to stare at a woman is stupid. The UK is far more equal than Pakistan is, that is a fact. In the UK, women aren't told to cover up for a man's mistake. The fact that you even mention body parts as a justification shows how you are primitive. If you think men can't contain themselves because a woman isn't entirely covered, you're the problem. Lowering of your gaze isn't practical in all scenarios, especially when you have female co-workers. That doesn't mean stare at the body, but you should be able to look then in the eye. Islam says a lot of things, but the bottom line is it is an old ideology, and everything isn't applicable to today (i.e, slavery).

Wait, so you can say I don't know who the girl is, but you can say he didn't know it could go public? How do you know that? Why would someone agree to be pictured exposing their awrah anyway? Be consistent.

It is a man;s right here, you need to get out of your house more often. Even women say here say my man can look but cant touch , objectifying women is very normal and common here but its wrong. Islam is the only way of life which attacks men who want to objectify women.

Securalist France allows a mom & dad to lawfully have intimacy with their child as long as they dont cause physical harm. They are thinking of changing the law but nothing has changed yet afaik.

He was at home, which you failed to realise. The girl is seen as his sister. Try some research before making foolish assumptions.

 

[Tubs]

What a stupid post.

Those Asians are UK British, their culture is British firstly not Pakistani. Rape abuse has occured far too often 100% but those indulge in alcohol, drugs, fornication, these are British cultural , secular practices not Islamic. Their ethnicity isnt the issue, the culture they live in has given them freedom which they are exploiting because they are criminals.

Many times more women are sexually harrased in the UK compared to Pakistan. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

Plenty of Asians here are very cultural, and look down on white women and think it's okay to justify it, dishonesty yet again.

And I never suggested otherwise. Pakistani women aren't as free as women, many barely leave their homes, so that goes a way to explain it. Other aspects such as social pressure to keep quiet about assault explain it too. It's like saying don't leave your house in case you get stabbed, hit by a car, struck by lightning, etc. You can't deny that Pakistan is far more patriarchal, far more sexually repressed, and that causes bad behaviour against women to manifest.

 

[Tubs]

It is a man;s right here, you need to get out of your house more often. Even women say here say my man can look but cant touch , objectifying women is very normal and common here but its wrong. Islam is the only way of life which attacks men who want to objectify women.

Securalist France allows a mom & dad to lawfully have intimacy with their child as long as they dont cause physical harm. They are thinking of changing the law but nothing has changed yet afaik.

He was at home, which you failed to realise. The girl is seen as his sister. Try some research before making foolish assumptions.

You are ridiculous. Sure, some women may say that, but then you generalise it to UK women as a whole? I guarantee some Pakistan women may say that, can we generalise all Pakistani women as that? Of course not. You really don't know what the fallacy of anecdotal evidence is, do you? Islam is also the only way of life which necessitates women cover up and suggests it's to stop them from being assaulted. It is not a progressive ideology, nor is it a pro-women one. We can all make sweeping statements.

I'm not sure about the French law, perhaps there is an archaic law that allows incest- does that make the deplorable treatment of women in Pakistan less deplorable? Should I mention the Muslim countries with marry-your-rapist laws?

Yes, he may have been at home, but he still agreed to have a picture with his awrah exposed. Shall I also bring up multiple pictures of Imran Khan being topless in public? One of them even dated to as recently as 2014, which isn't that long ago. And are you certain she's seen as his sister? Does she fulfil the Islamic criteria as a mahram? Even if she was, her chest was too exposed, her arms, and her legs. Why isn't she fulfilling Islamic modesty? However, this can all be circumvented if you admit it's her choice to dress that way, of course.

 

[90MPH]

It’s a really unfortunate statement by Imran, hope it was a misquote.

It should be squarely on the men to change their behaviour, not on the woman who are often the victims of sexual harassment and attacks in Pakistan that don’t always go documented but we know it happens a lot.

The perpetrators should be punished heavily to send the message, it shouldn’t be on the women to be told on how they should dress.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Plenty of Asians here are very cultural, and look down on white women and think it's okay to justify it, dishonesty yet again.

And I never suggested otherwise. Pakistani women aren't as free as women, many barely leave their homes, so that goes a way to explain it. Other aspects such as social pressure to keep quiet about assault explain it too. It's like saying don't leave your house in case you get stabbed, hit by a car, struck by lightning, etc. You can't deny that Pakistan is far more patriarchal, far more sexually repressed, and that causes bad behaviour against women to manifest.

A small minority do , just as a small minority of white men look down on all women.

Pakistan has a lot of issues towards women but the same issues exist in other cultures. Domestic violence in the UK is also very high esp during this lockdown. All men from all socities need to respect women, lower their gaze and stop abuse. You are more likely as a female to be harrased , objectified and assualted in the UK. One reason being the laws here do no protect women. Pakistan has the death penalty for rape now, in the UK you will be out on the streets in a couple of years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You are ridiculous. Sure, some women may say that, but then you generalise it to UK women as a whole? I guarantee some Pakistan women may say that, can we generalise all Pakistani women as that? Of course not. You really don't know what the fallacy of anecdotal evidence is, do you? Islam is also the only way of life which necessitates women cover up and suggests it's to stop them from being assaulted. It is not a progressive ideology, nor is it a pro-women one. We can all make sweeping statements.

I'm not sure about the French law, perhaps there is an archaic law that allows incest- does that make the deplorable treatment of women in Pakistan less deplorable? Should I mention the Muslim countries with marry-your-rapist laws?

Yes, he may have been at home, but he still agreed to have a picture with his awrah exposed. Shall I also bring up multiple pictures of Imran Khan being topless in public? One of them even dated to as recently as 2014, which isn't that long ago. And are you certain she's seen as his sister? Does she fulfil the Islamic criteria as a mahram? Even if she was, her chest was too exposed, her arms, and her legs. Why isn't she fulfilling Islamic modesty? However, this can all be circumvented if you admit it's her choice to dress that way, of course.

I dont think you get out much, this is normal behaviour in the UK, its ok to look. Its not normal in Pakistan to say it's ok to look. Islam tells both women and men to be modest but also tells men to lower the gaze, the onus is more on the male. Far more intelligent and respectful towards women than other ways of life.

Islam doesnt agree with marry your rapists but France does agree with allowing peodophilia in the household.

He didnt know the picture was going to be public & yet im certain. Imran has changed, he admits his previous lifestyle werent Islamic. My advice is to discuss this with Muslim female members in your family ,tell them their faith harms them and people should be free to ogle at them. Let us know their response , thanks.

 

[Tubs]

A small minority do , just as a small minority of white men look down on all women.

Pakistan has a lot of issues towards women but the same issues exist in other cultures. Domestic violence in the UK is also very high esp during this lockdown. All men from all socities need to respect women, lower their gaze and stop abuse. You are more likely as a female to be harrased , objectified and assualted in the UK. One reason being the laws here do no protect women. Pakistan has the death penalty for rape now, in the UK you will be out on the streets in a couple of years.

Sure, white men are by no means perfect, at all. That being said, Western culture is better when it comes to women, objectively. Women aren't told to cover up because of men. If men assault them, it is because those men are reprehensible, not because of how they're dressed, that's the issue. Again, lowering the gaze isn't necessary, are you going to look at the floor while you talk to a female co-worker, a female cashier, a woman who asks you for directions? Sure, don't look at them inappropriately, but if you can't look at a woman who is talking to you without getting tempted, that is your problem.

The laws don't protect women here? That is ridiculous. Women have autonomy and protection. Is there an issue with the judicial system? Of course. But that doesn't mean women aren't protected, it just means people aren't sufficiently punished.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ty-womens-well-being-around-the-world-feature

Here ranks the best and worst countries to be a woman. It is a multi-variate analysis, and seems reasonably well done. UK is 7th, Pakistan is 164th.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Sure, white men are by no means perfect, at all. That being said, Western culture is better when it comes to women, objectively. Women aren't told to cover up because of men. If men assault them, it is because those men are reprehensible, not because of how they're dressed, that's the issue. Again, lowering the gaze isn't necessary, are you going to look at the floor while you talk to a female co-worker, a female cashier, a woman who asks you for directions? Sure, don't look at them inappropriately, but if you can't look at a woman who is talking to you without getting tempted, that is your problem.

The laws don't protect women here? That is ridiculous. Women have autonomy and protection. Is there an issue with the judicial system? Of course. But that doesn't mean women aren't protected, it just means people aren't sufficiently punished.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ty-womens-well-being-around-the-world-feature

Here ranks the best and worst countries to be a woman. It is a multi-variate analysis, and seems reasonably well done. UK is 7th, Pakistan is 164th.

The issue is of abusiving women sexually, your link contains other issues and is just an opinion.

lol. Lowering gaze is if you have sexual thoughts about a women if you see her in a certain way. Stop trying to tell Muslims when you know nothing of Islam.

 

[Tubs]

As Ex Muslims, you are always here to attack Islam. Can I ask if you advise the women in your family to show their flesh? Have you also told them Islam is repressive towards them and they should start to dress and behave like athiests , wear anything or little as possible in public?

We're talking about a statement a Prime Minister has said, blaming women for not covering up for the rise in rape cases.

Atheists don't have a dress code. You can dress how you want.

 

[Tubs]

The issue is of abusiving women sexually, your link contains other issues and is just an opinion.

lol. Lowering gaze is if you have sexual thoughts about a women if you see her in a certain way. Stop trying to tell Muslims when you know nothing of Islam.

Oh, so you dismiss statistics as 'opinion' but your anecdotes are meant to be taken seriously? Next please, don't waste my time anymore.

Then why didn't IK say to everyone who gets tempted to 'lower their gaze' if that was a sure-fire thing to work? But no, he told women to observe pardah. I know nothing of Islam? I seem to know more than you. I remember how you dismissed Ibn Kathir's tasfir as being a 'hate site', that shows your limits of Islamic knowledge.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Absolutely disgusting statement.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

We're talking about a statement a Prime Minister has said, blaming women for not covering up for the rise in rape cases.

Atheists don't have a dress code. You can dress how you want.

IK is a hypocrite. Let's assume for a second that his statement is valid about women not covering up that's why rape happened.
Then why did not KPK assembly pass a bill for women to cover up. Someone brought a bill not long ago for female students to cover up. However, PTI has majority in KPK they did not pass that bill.
Why double standard?

 

[PakLFC]

IK is a perfect example of sau chuhe khaa ke billi haaj ko challi.

And why stop at blaming, these women should be punished based on how much skin they were showing.

A committee of men should be formed to set up a scale of how much skin show is acceptable and rape victims should be penalised based on it. Then only will true justice be done.

These committee wala's will probably be equally guilty of what they condemn like our PM. Pity IK could not get the likes of Sita White and Zeenat Aman to dress according to his lofty standards of today when he was dating them. Again, it is not what was said but who said it. People living in glass houses and all that! I recall some years back the editor of "Hello!" magazine calling IK out for his incredible hypocrisy.

 

[RajBan]

Too much discussion about modesty. Who gave the right to one to decide modesty of the other?

 

[rhony]

He;s not blaming women just pointing out the reality of the world we live in. Nowhere did he say lack of dress is the cause of rape.

He is right, women who are dressed in a bikini will of course attract more male harrasment compared to those who are covered. Ive seen it myself a 100 times when on holiday or in an entertainment venue.





He is at home, there is no ruling for such in the privacy of your own homes unless there is a stranger present.

You know you try to make compelling arguments but it falls apart for one single reason. Free Will.

Women should be able to choose what they want. That's why mansplaining always fails. This is precisely why I'm against people and countries that try to ban burqa or hijab too.

I've seen women being verbally abused wearing a burqa in the west. So, they should just stop wearing them in the fear that some one might call her "jihad"?

One can't live life with this kind of negative thinking. It's like banning the internet because there's porn on the internet. The only way to live is without fear doing whatever we love legally.

 

[RajBan]

Imran as the prime minister can certainly set an example. He should immediately cover his eyes in public places and also ensure all other men who believe they can't control themselves if they see a woman to follow in. That way men who believe in what Imran stated won't get easily influenced by any women to rape or have the urge of it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Imran as the prime minister can certainly set an example. He should immediately cover his eyes in public places and also ensure all other men who believe they can't control themselves if they see a woman to follow in. That way men who believe in what Imran stated won't get easily influenced by any women to rape or have the urge of it.

How would he walk with his eyes covered? Would he need a guide dog?

 

[uberkoen]

ah yes. the man who spent his youth partying and playboying, for a lack of a better word, his way through England will lecture us about sexualization. as though women in burqas don't get leered at everyday. what should young boys in madressahs do?

IK needs to look at rape statistics in Pakistan or develop them if we don't have these already. He will find that most rapes in Pakistan are committed on young boys or occur where the culprits are close family. Pardah wouldn't solve either of those. All it will lead to is further sexual repression which will potentially lead to increase in the number of rapes.

Stupid statement after stupid statements from a man who has gone senile

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Imran hit em where it burns. Lmao at "absolutely disgusting comments." I knew the liberals would be raged.

Of course, this is not the only reason but it definitely plays a part.

 

[RajBan]

How would he walk with his eyes covered? Would he need a guide dog?

Guide dog works fine if he needs help

 

[uberkoen]

Imran hit em where it burns. Lmao at "absolutely disgusting comments." I knew the liberals would be raged.

Of course, this is not the only reason but it definitely plays a part.

How does it play a part? There is no research to back that statement up. In fact, the countries with the lowest rape statistics in the world don't have the 'pardah' enforced. Talking out of your -- well, you know where.

 

[MenInG]

ah yes. the man who spent his youth partying and playboying, for a lack of a better word, his way through England will lecture us about sexualization. as though women in burqas don't get leered at everyday. what should young boys in madressahs do?

IK needs to look at rape statistics in Pakistan or develop them if we don't have these already. He will find that most rapes in Pakistan are committed on young boys or occur where the culprits are close family. Pardah wouldn't solve either of those. All it will lead to is further sexual repression which will potentially lead to increase in the number of rapes.

Stupid statement after stupid statements from a man who has gone senile

Can we cut this out now as this is getting boring now.

Which of above is true in his recent past?

Was he doing yesterday?

Concentrate on what he said now and argue about the rights and wrongs of that

 

[saeedhk]

Imran hit em where it burns. Lmao at "absolutely disgusting comments." I knew the liberals would be raged.

Of course, this is not the only reason but it definitely plays a part.

It plays absolutely zero part! Taking an example of Hong Kong, it is common to see women outside eating or hanging around in the middle of the night but nobody bats an eye! Nobody dares to grope them because law and order is very strong. Rape and child sex abuse is unheard of in this city.

Compares this with Pakistan where everybody wears a dupatta but still records at least 11 rapes and 20 child sex abuse cases.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Say to the believing men that they restrain their eyes and guard their private parts." Quran 24:31 <br><br>The onus is on men. <a href="https://t.co/StkKE3HIPM">https://t.co/StkKE3HIPM</a></p>— Jemima Goldsmith (@Jemima_Khan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jemima_Khan/status/1379818333600628736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[IndoorCricket]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Say to the believing men that they restrain their eyes and guard their private parts." Quran 24:31 <br><br>The onus is on men. <a href="https://t.co/StkKE3HIPM">https://t.co/StkKE3HIPM</a></p>— Jemima Goldsmith (@Jemima_Khan) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jemima_Khan/status/1379818333600628736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Who is she? She looks familiar.

 

[saeedhk]

Who is she? She looks familiar.

Imran’s ex-wife.

 

[Napa]

People tend to forget that IK is around 70 years old. His views are typical of a Pakistani male of his generation not in touch with woke culture. Most people of his age in my own family would agree with him completely (even those who have lived and studied abroad for considerable periods).

As PM of the country he should be a lot more careful but this was more of an 'ok boomer' moment rather than something sinister like appeasing conservative elements.

Not only your family, but also most BJP members from India harbor such ideas. An interesting convergence of views.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Imran has lot his marbles. I'll not even go to his vices when he was young.. this statement is crazy on so many levels... wow!

 

[Devadwal]

Lol what a pathetic comment by PM of a country

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2293777/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-says-violence-against-women-stems-from-toxic-masculinity

London mourned the tragic demise of marketing executive Sarah Everard after she disappeared last month while walking home from Clapham. In a tragic turn of events, her body was found one week after she went missing, propelling widespread unrest in the England capital. The head of London's Metropolitan Police, Cressida Dick, later said that she has no plans to quit after receiving ample criticism over the handling of a vigil organised for Everard.

Police officers were seen handcuffing women and removing them from crowds at a memorial held for the 33-year-old. The case has provoked a heated debate about the violence against women in the country.

Now, London's mayor Sadiq Khan has shared his two cents on the alarming rise of sexual violence against women in the UK.

“It breaks my heart that so many women and girls do not feel safe in our country on a daily basis. And let’s be honest – these problems are caused by the unacceptable attitudes and behaviours of men,” Khan told The Independent. “The problem is not just with the minority of men who are violent, the problem is also with those men who are sexist, continue to behave inappropriately around women, perpetuate a toxic form of masculinity or just stand by silently when women feel threatened or are being threatened."

“Men simply must change. I promise to spearhead the change we desperately need to see in the way women and girls are treated in every single part of our society and at all ages," he added.

Khan later took to Twitter and shared, "Every woman and girl should be able to feel safe: whatever time of day, whatever they wear and wherever they are in our city."


He added, "It’s not women who should have to change the way they live their lives, it’s men who need to change."

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It plays absolutely zero part! Taking an example of Hong Kong, it is common to see women outside eating or hanging around in the middle of the night but nobody bats an eye! Nobody dares to grope them because law and order is very strong. Rape and child sex abuse is unheard of in this city.

Compares this with Pakistan where everybody wears a dupatta but still records at least 11 rapes and 20 child sex abuse cases.

That is actually a surprisingly coherent post, one with some form of solution rather than just the usual racist rants against Pakistanis. Not the be all and end all of solutions but at least a start.

So very firm and strictly enforced law and order is the remedy. Well you would also have to look at the outlook and culture of people in Hong Kong which may play a bearing but that can be done as well. Strict law enforcement is doable, especially as people in Pakistan are already calling for Sharia law as they are fed up with the pervs and thugs doing as they please with no comebacks.

* you don't have to reply to this post as I am probably on your ignore list, this if for others who may be reading.

 

[Vegitto1]

It plays absolutely zero part! Taking an example of Hong Kong, it is common to see women outside eating or hanging around in the middle of the night but nobody bats an eye! Nobody dares to grope them because law and order is very strong. Rape and child sex abuse is unheard of in this city.

Compares this with Pakistan where everybody wears a dupatta but still records at least 11 rapes and 20 child sex abuse cases.

https://medium.com/typewriterintl/h...ctims-of-rape-and-sexual-assault-39655c2474fc

Please please do some research before posting nonsense.

China, Thailand and other East Asian countries are notorious for human trafficking of women - mainly as sex workers in Europe. But I guess if a women is violated by different men everyday then it’s no longer rape in your eyes, it’s ‘criminal enterprise’

People nowadays are trying to rewrite or whitewash centuries old wisdom because they feel they are more enlightened now.

Human nature is what it is. You can never 100% change or control it. If you think you can then you are one of those idiots who thinks a lion can be kept as a domesticated pet and you and your family are not at risk.

 

[uberkoen]

https://medium.com/typewriterintl/h...ctims-of-rape-and-sexual-assault-39655c2474fc

Please please do some research before posting nonsense.

China, Thailand and other East Asian countries are notorious for human trafficking of women - mainly as sex workers in Europe. But I guess if a women is violated by different men everyday then it’s no longer rape in your eyes, it’s ‘criminal enterprise’

People nowadays are trying to rewrite or whitewash centuries old wisdom because they feel they are more enlightened now.

Human nature is what it is. You can never 100% change or control it. If you think you can then you are one of those idiots who thinks a lion can be kept as a domesticated pet and you and your family are not at risk.

I don't get your point. You're saying it is human nature to rape so women should cover themselves up?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

https://medium.com/typewriterintl/h...ctims-of-rape-and-sexual-assault-39655c2474fc

Please please do some research before posting nonsense.

China, Thailand and other East Asian countries are notorious for human trafficking of women - mainly as sex workers in Europe. But I guess if a women is violated by different men everyday then it’s no longer rape in your eyes, it’s ‘criminal enterprise’

People nowadays are trying to rewrite or whitewash centuries old wisdom because they feel they are more enlightened now.

Human nature is what it is. You can never 100% change or control it. If you think you can then you are one of those idiots who thinks a lion can be kept as a domesticated pet and you and your family are not at risk.

Some eye opening stuff there. Seems across Asia there is more of a culture of keeping sexual assaults out of the public eye.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Disgusting comment but based on some of the things he has said in the past I can't say I am surprised to hear Imran say this.

Let's not forget he called OBL a martyr, Hazara victims 'blackmailers' so its only natural that he would blame rape on the way women dress.

 

[Vegitto1]

I don't get your point. You're saying it is human nature to rape so women should cover themselves up?

No, it is not human nature to rape, but it is very very common for humans to give into temptation, sin, commit an offence without thinking of the consequences.

Here is a stat for you:

More than 90% of rape and sexual assault victims know their attacker , a new study of almost 1,000 victims says. Researchers from Glasgow University said it was a popular misconception that most attackers were strangers.

Make what you will of that statistic, but in Islam, which is away of life, men and women are advised not to socialise with each other unless it is in relation to a specific purpose (studies, work etc.)

Unless all men turn gay, rape is not going to be eliminated from society, Imran Khan is simply asking women to take precaution when going out.

 

[uberkoen]

No, it is not human nature to rape, but it is very very common for humans to give into temptation, sin, commit an offence without thinking of the consequences.

Here is a stat for you:

More than 90% of rape and sexual assault victims know their attacker , a new study of almost 1,000 victims says. Researchers from Glasgow University said it was a popular misconception that most attackers were strangers.

Make what you will of that statistic, but in Islam, which is away of life, men and women are advised not to socialise with each other unless it is in relation to a specific purpose (studies, work etc.)

Unless all men turn gay, rape is not going to be eliminated from society, Imran Khan is simply asking women to take precaution when going out.

That statistic doesn't really help. 'Knowing' someone could be anything. A neighbor, a friend, a family member or a teacher. In Islam men and women are advised not to socialize but what if the rapist is your own cousin, brother or father. What does Islam say or do about this? How do we prevent this according to the Islamic way of life?

In Pakistan boys are also victims of rape. In fact, probably more so that girls. Most boys studying in Madrassah's get sexually assaulted by their teachers.

What can these little boys and girls do who get assaulted by their family members or teachers? Are they dressing provocatively?

Also, Islam really isn't a good guideline to use on rape. I mean, Islam treats women as property and as long as it is your property you can do whatever you want. This is why you're allowed to rape your slaves or your wives as there is no concept of marital rape in Islam.

 

[saeedhk]

https://medium.com/typewriterintl/h...ctims-of-rape-and-sexual-assault-39655c2474fc

Please please do some research before posting nonsense.

China, Thailand and other East Asian countries are notorious for human trafficking of women - mainly as sex workers in Europe. But I guess if a women is violated by different men everyday then it’s no longer rape in your eyes, it’s ‘criminal enterprise’

People nowadays are trying to rewrite or whitewash centuries old wisdom because they feel they are more enlightened now.

Human nature is what it is. You can never 100% change or control it. If you think you can then you are one of those idiots who thinks a lion can be kept as a domesticated pet and you and your family are not at risk.

That is not a a very credible source. We are not talking about human trafficking. Nobody can touch or grope a woman in Hong Kong. Absolutely nobody. If you have lived in Pakistan, you would know that it is very common for passersby to touch or grope women because there is no law in Pakistan.

If by human nature you mean that if a man sees some flesh, he cannot control himself, then that man is a psychopath. Please don’t speak for all men, I can surely control my urges.

And, I wonder why are 20 Pakistani kids sexually abused every day in Pakistan? Are they wearing skimpy clothes? Your line is argument is flawed and outrageous!

 

[the Great Khan]

Disgusting comment but based on some of the things he has said in the past I can't say I am surprised to hear Imran say this.

Let's not forget he called OBL a martyr, Hazara victims 'blackmailers' so its only natural that he would blame rape on the way women dress.

did you hear what he said? I watched the whole thing live and I heard what he said. Everything he said was spot on and was a general comment on the societal norms within Pakistani society. Anybody on here who has daughters will know what Pakistani society is like. the way men oggle at your wives, mothers daughters. The way they assume every woman is "their" property to do as they wish. Where the proliferation of Porn and Porn hub is rife. Where Bollywood vulgarity is common.

I remember almost the exact time when I saw rural Pakistan change due to the proliferation of "Blue" movies from across the border. Yes across the border. You know what used to happen? when our video shop owners would get a batch of pirated Indian movies, amongst these batch we suddenly noticed tapes of "blue" movies being sent through. Word got around, men would hire vcr's to watch a woman take all her clothes off and other such vulgarity.

Now you have everything on a mobile phone. From child based vulgarity to grown up forms. From bestiality to others.

Alot on here have seen porn, probably watch it daily or weekly and then quickly make sure they attend Jummah to feel good about themselves. Wait till you have daughters of your own or wives. Then suddenly dari yaad aa jaati hay.

pakistani society needs some real heavy reform especially in this area. It is not simply good enough to go the "western route" because western society is a lost cause. There are so many problems that its beyond help. Pakistan should not import that method. We have our own taizeeb which is centuries old and we have been part of great civilisations centuries old.

What IK said was entirely in keeping with our taizeeb and rehn sehn. Thise who dont understand what he meant are either:

a) Indians who love to bash pakistan
b) Indian trolls pretending to be pakistanis on a pakistani forum (you know e know who you are)
c) secularists who secretly wish Islam wouldnt be around to stop them from committing vulgarity in teh name of "freedom"
d) ignorant teenagers who want to be titilated by porn but cant admit it because its "haraam"

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That statistic doesn't really help. 'Knowing' someone could be anything. A neighbor, a friend, a family member or a teacher. In Islam men and women are advised not to socialize but what if the rapist is your own cousin, brother or father. What does Islam say or do about this? How do we prevent this according to the Islamic way of life?

In Pakistan boys are also victims of rape. In fact, probably more so that girls. Most boys studying in Madrassah's get sexually assaulted by their teachers.

What can these little boys and girls do who get assaulted by their family members or teachers? Are they dressing provocatively?

Also, Islam really isn't a good guideline to use on rape. I mean, Islam treats women as property and as long as it is your property you can do whatever you want. This is why you're allowed to rape your slaves or your wives as there is no concept of marital rape in Islam.

At least he has provided a credible source, what have you provided to prove your claim that most boys studying at madrassahs get sexually assaulted by their teachers?

 

[uberkoen]

At least he has provided a credible source, what have you provided to prove your claim that most boys studying at madrassahs get sexually assaulted by their teachers?

It's widely known and acknowledged. Just google it. However, if you can't i'll post some of the links that popped up when I googled it. Let me know if you're too lazy to google it yourself and I'll get you more links

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-pakistans-religious-schools-endemic-70221420

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-oct-09-adfg-abuse9-story.html

https://www.rferl.org/a/child-sex-a...-schools-ap-investigation-shows/30552520.html

https://www.dawn.com/news/1371940

https://tolonews.com/world/sexual-abuse-longstanding-problem-pakistan-madrassas

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1564321/9-madrassas-allegedly-infested-sexual-abuse-minors

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pakistan-islamic-madrassa-schools-sexual-abuse-rape-ap-investigation/

https://dailytimes.com.pk/528815/ma...-boy-more-than-100-times-with-his-companions/

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Kinda amazing how people here are finding ways to justify rape with things like 'its common for humans to give into temptation sin'. That's absolutely abhorrent and anyone saying anything like this should be ashamed of themselves.

Every human is victim to temptation and sin but rape is crossing a line. Its indefensible and anyone doing it should be subject to the harshest kind of punishment.

Before you start finding ways to defend a disgusting statement just because a politician you like made it, take a moment to think of the emotional torture a woman who is a victim of rape goes through. Her entire life stands to be destroyed and in many cases she stands to live with a lifetime of mental demons.

Don't be so callous and apathetic about something you couldn't begin to understand.

 

[Mamoon]

did you hear what he said? I watched the whole thing live and I heard what he said. Everything he said was spot on and was a general comment on the societal norms within Pakistani society. Anybody on here who has daughters will know what Pakistani society is like. the way men oggle at your wives, mothers daughters. The way they assume every woman is "their" property to do as they wish. Where the proliferation of Porn and Porn hub is rife. Where Bollywood vulgarity is common.

I remember almost the exact time when I saw rural Pakistan change due to the proliferation of "Blue" movies from across the border. Yes across the border. You know what used to happen? when our video shop owners would get a batch of pirated Indian movies, amongst these batch we suddenly noticed tapes of "blue" movies being sent through. Word got around, men would hire vcr's to watch a woman take all her clothes off and other such vulgarity.

Now you have everything on a mobile phone. From child based vulgarity to grown up forms. From bestiality to others.

Alot on here have seen porn, probably watch it daily or weekly and then quickly make sure they attend Jummah to feel good about themselves. Wait till you have daughters of your own or wives. Then suddenly dari yaad aa jaati hay.

pakistani society needs some real heavy reform especially in this area. It is not simply good enough to go the "western route" because western society is a lost cause. There are so many problems that its beyond help. Pakistan should not import that method. We have our own taizeeb which is centuries old and we have been part of great civilisations centuries old.

What IK said was entirely in keeping with our taizeeb and rehn sehn. Thise who dont understand what he meant are either:

a) Indians who love to bash pakistan
b) Indian trolls pretending to be pakistanis on a pakistani forum (you know e know who you are)
c) secularists who secretly wish Islam wouldnt be around to stop them from committing vulgarity in teh name of "freedom"
d) ignorant teenagers who want to be titilated by porn but cant admit it because its "haraam"

So basically Imran Khan wants the youth of Pakistan to do exactly the opposite of what he did in his youth.

The problem is that the youth of Pakistan is not interested in listening to a hypocrite who enjoyed all the vices to his heart’s content and then conveniently pulled his musalah and tasbeeh out in his old age, because he didn’t have the time to think about God and his grave in his youth.

They don’t want sermons from someone with zero credibility on this matter. Let a pious man, someone who resisted worldly temptations in his youth, give such sermons and our nation might be prepared to listen.

Imran Khan may have forgotten and whitewashed his past but the world remembers his former playboy lifestyle.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's widely known and acknowledged. Just google it. However, if you can't i'll post some of the links that popped up when I googled it. Let me know if you're too lazy to google it yourself and I'll get you more links

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-pakistans-religious-schools-endemic-70221420

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-oct-09-adfg-abuse9-story.html

https://www.rferl.org/a/child-sex-a...-schools-ap-investigation-shows/30552520.html

https://www.dawn.com/news/1371940

https://tolonews.com/world/sexual-abuse-longstanding-problem-pakistan-madrassas

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1564321/9-madrassas-allegedly-infested-sexual-abuse-minors

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pakistan-islamic-madrassa-schools-sexual-abuse-rape-ap-investigation/

https://dailytimes.com.pk/528815/ma...-boy-more-than-100-times-with-his-companions/

You said most boys, that would mean more than 50%. I don't think any of those links will verify that outlandish claim.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So basically Imran Khan wants the youth of Pakistan to do exactly the opposite of what he did in his youth.

The problem is that the youth of Pakistan is not interested in listening to a hypocrite who enjoyed all the vices to his heart’s content and then conveniently pulled his musalah and tasbeeh out in his old age, because he didn’t have the time to think about God and his grave in his youth.

They don’t want sermons from someone with zero credibility on this matter. Let a pious man, someone who resisted worldly temptations in his youth, give such sermons and our nation might be prepared to listen.

Imran Khan may have forgotten and whitewashed his past but the world remembers his former playboy lifestyle.

So are you saying that the new generation of Pakistani youth are rejecting Imran Khan's outdated and "hypocritical" values?

 

[uberkoen]

You said most boys, that would mean more than 50%. I don't think any of those links will verify that outlandish claim.

Again, you're missing the point. It doesn't surprise me though.

 

[uberkoen]

At least he has provided a credible source, what have you provided to prove your claim that most boys studying at madrassahs get sexually assaulted by their teachers?

I'm not questioning his source. Did you even read what I wrote? It probably went over your head

 

[Slog]

So basically Imran Khan wants the youth of Pakistan to do exactly the opposite of what he did in his youth.

The problem is that the youth of Pakistan is not interested in listening to a hypocrite who enjoyed all the vices to his heart’s content and then conveniently pulled his musalah and tasbeeh out in his old age, because he didn’t have the time to think about God and his grave in his youth.

They don’t want sermons from someone with zero credibility on this matter. Let a pious man, someone who resisted worldly temptations in his youth, give such sermons and our nation might be prepared to listen.

Imran Khan may have forgotten and whitewashed his past but the world remembers his former playboy lifestyle.

I think/believe that Imran Khan is a genuinely religious person now and it’s not just an act. BUT the problem there is that he feels intensely guilty of his past life. And instead of dealing with it individually; he projects that onto the whole population. This is a person who indulged in all sorts of vices when presented the opportunity abroad and thinks that every person will indulge in these if given the opportunity. Many people don’t regardless of opportunity which is something he cannot seem to understand.

And as anything with him (which many times has been an advantage in his life); he thinks he is the best person in that regard now and feels he has the right to lecture other. This is a guy who married Jemima in his youth, Reham in middle age and then current wife in old age but he now wants every young person to jump to the Bushra frame of mine directly

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Again, you're missing the point. It doesn't surprise me though.

So you want to question validity of someone else's sources while throwing around outlandish "facts" yourself?

 

[uberkoen]

So you want to question validity of someone else's sources while throwing around outlandish "facts" yourself?

I did not question his sources. I didn’t even talk about his sources. Read what I wrote. I said the statistic shared is pointless in the context of this discussion. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? It’s very simple English

 

[Mamoon]

I think/believe that Imran Khan is a genuinely religious person now and it’s not just an act. BUT the problem there is that he feels intensely guilty of his past life. And instead of dealing with it individually; he projects that onto the whole population. This is a person who indulged in all sorts of vices when presented the opportunity abroad and thinks that every person will indulge in these if given the opportunity. Many people don’t regardless of opportunity which is something he cannot seem to understand.

And as anything with him (which many times has been an advantage in his life); he thinks he is the best person in that regard now and feels he has the right to lecture other. This is a guy who married Jemima in his youth, Reham in middle age and then current wife in old age but he now wants every young person to jump to the Bushra frame of mine directly

He is more superstitious than religious because of Bushra Bibi’s influence. He is wearing stones and stuff and is regularly picture prostrating in shrines.

I don’t think he has changed much - womanizing is an addiction and it is very rare for people to break out of this habit. They are always on the lookout for a fling.

Look at the way Imran had an affair with Reham during the 2014 Azadi March or the way he married Bushra Bibi who has grown up children and forced her to divorce her husband.

People defend him by saying that none of this is against the teachings of Islam but the fact that no decent Pakistani man of good character and morals will do stuff like this. It is not considered appropriate in our culture and society.

He might be more religious now than he was in his youth, but it is fairly obvious that there is quite a bit of pretension involved with the way he projects his piety these days.

 

[Mamoon]

So are you saying that the new generation of Pakistani youth are rejecting Imran Khan's outdated and "hypocritical" values?

There are all sorts of people in Pakistan and that will not change because of some hypocritical gyaan by Imran.

He needs to stop being preachy and let people live their lives. He needs to focus less on others and spend more time seeking forgiveness for his own actions.

 

[PakLFC]

Our narcissistic PM ignores or does not know how the Qur'an commands men too lower their gaze when engaging with ladies. This is because our twice divorced PM who had many affairs obviously never did this himself during his youth. He so conveniently ignored this divine commandment during his usual nonsensical lecture. Easy for him to blame the ladies here, seems as if much of what Reham Khan says about him is very true. The onus is equally on men to behave themselves.

“Say to the believing men that they restrain their eyes and guard their private parts." Quran 24:31

"Tell the believing men that they must lower their gazes and guard their private parts; it is more decent for them. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what they do" Sura An-Nur 24:30

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I did not question his sources. I didn’t even talk about his sources. Read what I wrote. I said the statistic shared is pointless in the context of this discussion. Why is that so difficult for you to understand? It’s very simple English

My point was you were contesting the value of the statistic whatever the context, while throwing out made up statistics yourself.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There are all sorts of people in Pakistan and that will not change because of some hypocritical gyaan by Imran.

He needs to stop being preachy and let people live their lives. He needs to focus less on others and spend more time seeking forgiveness for his own actions.

He is the PM, it is his job to focus on others. If the youth are ahead of him and morally superior then that is a great sign that Pakistan is getting better. This should be a cause of optimism for you as regards your country. Great to see you standing up for the naya generation of Pakistani peoples.

 

[uberkoen]

My point was you were contesting the value of the statistic whatever the context, while throwing out made up statistics yourself.

I was not questioning the statistic at all. What are you even reading man? The statistic is not important in the current contest or the discussion on any what way

 

[Mamoon]

He is the PM, it is his job to focus on others. If the youth are ahead of him and morally superior then that is a great sign that Pakistan is getting better. This should be a cause of optimism for you as regards your country. Great to see you standing up for the naya generation of Pakistani peoples.

If he is the PM he should act like one instead of being a preacher. He spends more time talking about morals, ethics, Islam and an Ottoman barbarian called Ertugrul than focusing on governance.

He has destroyed the economy and has completely failed to deliver on the expectations. He keeps waffling and talks about irrelevant issues to distract the nation.

 

[Technics 1210]

So basically Imran Khan wants the youth of Pakistan to do exactly the opposite of what he did in his youth.

The problem is that the youth of Pakistan is not interested in listening to a hypocrite who enjoyed all the vices to his heart’s content and then conveniently pulled his musalah and tasbeeh out in his old age, because he didn’t have the time to think about God and his grave in his youth.

They don’t want sermons from someone with zero credibility on this matter. Let a pious man, someone who resisted worldly temptations in his youth, give such sermons and our nation might be prepared to listen.

Imran Khan may have forgotten and whitewashed his past but the world remembers his former playboy lifestyle.

IK has learned from his mistakes. Nothing hypocritical about it. Lets not pretend you, or anyone else, has not learned from mistakes in life.

 

[guna]

IK has learned from his mistakes. Nothing hypocritical about it. Lets not pretend you, or anyone else, has not learned from mistakes in life.

The adultering kids will also learn their lesson from their mistakes and get reformed when they enter midlife. It is all part of learning curve.

 

[El Generico]

He is more superstitious than religious because of Bushra Bibi’s influence. He is wearing stones and stuff and is regularly picture prostrating in shrines.

I don’t think he has changed much - womanizing is an addiction and it is very rare for people to break out of this habit. They are always on the lookout for a fling.

Look at the way Imran had an affair with Reham during the 2014 Azadi March or the way he married Bushra Bibi who has grown up children and forced her to divorce her husband.

People defend him by saying that none of this is against the teachings of Islam but the fact that no decent Pakistani man of good character and morals will do stuff like this. It is not considered appropriate in our culture and society.

He might be more religious now than he was in his youth, but it is fairly obvious that there is quite a bit of pretension involved with the way he projects his piety these days.

This is a pretty serious allegation. Do you have any source that says she was forced to divorce her husband? Or is it an assumption that you are trying to pass off as a fact?

 

[James]

Many times more women are sexually harrased in the UK compared to Pakistan. Only a fool would argue otherwise.

The true comparative numbers for this one will be difficult to determine imo. Most sexualised assaults go unreported globally, and very few of those which do go reported ever lead to criminal charges — even less to a conviction.

 

[Mamoon]

IK has learned from his mistakes. Nothing hypocritical about it. Lets not pretend you, or anyone else, has not learned from mistakes in life.

It is funny how people like him always “learn from their mistakes” at a convenient. None of them “learn from their mistakes” at their peaks.

Well I guess at that time, they, including Imran, did not have the time to think about God and learn from their mistakes.

Once they are past their youth, they have all the time in the world to “learn from their mistakes” and start thinking about the grave and give lectures on morality to another people. What a joke.

Imran is a hypocrite. Period.

 

[Nadeemp]

I will just drop this here. Shows pakistan ranks when it comes to gender equalityhttps://www.dawn.com/news/1522778

 

[Nadeemp]

Its insane how people are defending the disgusting comments the PM made.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The true comparative numbers for this one will be difficult to determine imo. Most sexualised assaults go unreported globally, and very few of those which do go reported ever lead to criminal charges — even less to a conviction.

ITs simply down to a case of more opportunity, on streets, in bars, clubs, work places, gyms etc. It doesnt mean Brits are more likely, just less places in public for women to be assualted in Pakistan.

 

[miandadrules]

ITs simply down to a case of more opportunity, on streets, in bars, clubs, work places, gyms etc. It doesnt mean Brits are more likely, just less places in public for women to be assualted in Pakistan.



A planet where debating is sensible instead of lame trolling. Maybe this planet includes the UN.

Can one view be any more detached from reality. Totally devoid of any substance.

Thoroughly disgusting. But not surprising.

I mean, let’s be honest, what has the poster actually researched in to this topic?

Other than making excuses for sex crimes, what has he contributed?

 

[Vegitto1]

Firstly, no one is justifying rape and no one is saying that a woman/child/boy/man is to be blamed (not even 0.01%).

All Imran Khan and like-minded people are saying is that:

1. there are monsters out there who would not think twice when presente with an opportunity to sexually assault you; and
2. the police and/or a person cannot always be present to protect you; therefore
3. You should take certain precautions to PROTECT yourself; such as
4. Don't go out alone at night - Dress modestly - Make sure you tell someone where you are going - How long it will take you to get there - Call when you arrive - Don't talk to strangers - Find a crowded place if you feel you are being followed - avoid back alleys and stick to main roads.

Whether someone follows the above advice or not is irrelevant in the event that they are sexually assualted. The law will not reduced the offenders sentence because the victim did not follow advice. It is not victim blaming, its advice to try and reduce the chances of such a thing happening in the first place.

 

[miandadrules]

Firstly, no one is justifying rape and no one is saying that a woman/child/boy/man is to be blamed (not even 0.01%).

All Imran Khan and like-minded people are saying is that:

1. there are monsters out there who would not think twice when presente with an opportunity to sexually assault you; and
2. the police and/or a person cannot always be present to protect you; therefore
3. You should take certain precautions to PROTECT yourself; such as
4. Don't go out alone at night - Dress modestly - Make sure you tell someone where you are going - How long it will take you to get there - Call when you arrive - Don't talk to strangers - Find a crowded place if you feel you are being followed - avoid back alleys and stick to main roads.

Whether someone follows the above advice or not is irrelevant in the event that they are sexually assualted. The law will not reduced the offenders sentence because the victim did not follow advice. It is not victim blaming, its advice to try and reduce the chances of such a thing happening in the first place.

Further rape apologist.

 

[Slog]

Firstly, no one is justifying rape and no one is saying that a woman/child/boy/man is to be blamed (not even 0.01%).

All Imran Khan and like-minded people are saying is that:

1. there are monsters out there who would not think twice when presente with an opportunity to sexually assault you; and
2. the police and/or a person cannot always be present to protect you; therefore
3. You should take certain precautions to PROTECT yourself; such as
4. Don't go out alone at night - Dress modestly - Make sure you tell someone where you are going - How long it will take you to get there - Call when you arrive - Don't talk to strangers - Find a crowded place if you feel you are being followed - avoid back alleys and stick to main roads.

Whether someone follows the above advice or not is irrelevant in the event that they are sexually assualted. The law will not reduced the offenders sentence because the victim did not follow advice. It is not victim blaming, its advice to try and reduce the chances of such a thing happening in the first place.

Rape apologist.

Basically you are saying that if you see a woman in clothing you do not deem appropriate it will be your natural tendency to want to rape her.

 

[emranabbas]

1) those monsters are the problem and should be locked for life

2) Imran khan's responsibility to make this country safe for its people

3) so people of Pakistan should lock them self after a certain time or should not travel alone?? And live their life in fear??

4) tell me when was the last time you saw someone walking about hanging theirs bits out in Pakistan? Women dress modestly In Pakistan

It's the corrupt minds of the people who do these deeds, Imran khan should take responsibility and make Pakistan safe for its citizens not blaming the victims

 

[Jadz]

Firstly, no one is justifying rape and no one is saying that a woman/child/boy/man is to be blamed (not even 0.01%).

All Imran Khan and like-minded people are saying is that:

1. there are monsters out there who would not think twice when presente with an opportunity to sexually assault you; and
2. the police and/or a person cannot always be present to protect you; therefore
3. You should take certain precautions to PROTECT yourself; such as
4. Don't go out alone at night - Dress modestly - Make sure you tell someone where you are going - How long it will take you to get there - Call when you arrive - Don't talk to strangers - Find a crowded place if you feel you are being followed - avoid back alleys and stick to main roads.

Whether someone follows the above advice or not is irrelevant in the event that they are sexually assualted. The law will not reduced the offenders sentence because the victim did not follow advice. It is not victim blaming, its advice to try and reduce the chances of such a thing happening in the first place.

Muslim women who dress modestly are also subjected to harassment, assault and rape across the Muslim world. The causes of rape cannot be examined in isolation, they have to be contextualized. Societies that dehumanize women, controlling them through religion, tradition, custom and ritual, abusing their rights becomes an inevitability, simply because they are not deemed worthy of any. This explains the normalization of and justification for domestic violence, honour killings, forced abortions if foetuses are discovered to be female, rape and so on.

Even the Pilgrimage - Hajj - is not as safe a space for women that Muslims might think or assume, here too women have been subjected to sexual harassment. One is forced to conclude that the mistreatment of women cannot always be blamed upon attire, deeper currents of misogyny exist within certain regions or countries that are cultural in nature.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/middleeast/hajj-sexual-abuse-asequals-iwd-intl/index.html

https://www.thenationalnews.com/wor...rder-rape-and-mental-health-problems-1.618038

 

[Nadeemp]

Even ran khans x wife has called him out on his comment

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Muslim women who dress modestly are also subjected to harassment, assault and rape across the Muslim world. The causes of rape cannot be examined in isolation, they have to be contextualized.

Societies that dehumanize women, controlling them through religion, tradition, custom and ritual, abusing their rights becomes an inevitability, simply because they are not deemed worthy of any.

This explains the normalization of and justification for domestic violence, honour killings, forced abortions if foetuses are discovered to be female, rape and so on.

Even the Pilgrimage - Hajj - is not as safe a space for women that Muslims might think or assume, here too women have been subjected to sexual harassment. One is forced to conclude that the mistreatment of women cannot always be blamed upon attire, deeper currents of misogyny exist within certain regions or countries that are cultural in nature.


https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/middleeast/hajj-sexual-abuse-asequals-iwd-intl/index.html

https://www.thenationalnews.com/wor...rder-rape-and-mental-health-problems-1.618038

Agreed. Definitely this is irrefutable; however the philosophy in the underlined part above, even though true, but unfortunately we don't seem to have the other side of the coin. Where is Utopia we are yearning for?

I notice that
Societies that do NOT dehumanize women,
Societies that do NOT control them through religion
Societies that do NOT control them through tradition,
Societies that do NOT control them through custom,
Societies that do NOT control them through ritual,
Societies that do NOT abuse their rights,
and societies where women are not deemed worthless

STILL HAVE THE RAPE AND PEDOPHLIA problem just as rampant as many other countries. Physical and domestic violence against women do not present any different picture.

Here is the sex offender registry map of a midwestern City in USA where each marker represents a convicted sex offender.

This is roughly a 10 square miles area of a metropolitan city of United States and I suppose it does not look a whole lot different from any other metropolitan city in America.



So you tell me, what works? Sweden and Japan seem to have a pretty high rape sex offender statistics.


I think the gist and take away from OP and this entire thread is that perpetrator (which are mostly men) MUST be dealt with an iron fist, and a suggestion to females is, enjoy your freedom, be mindful that it's good to use common sense and take wise decisions in how do you present themselves in the open public.

Even though we must always strive to improve our societies but the world will perhaps never be free of scumbags no matter what kind of a society and no matter what kind of laws we as humans achieve to put in place.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I was not questioning the statistic at all. What are you even reading man? The statistic is not important in the current contest or the discussion on any what way

I said questioning the VALUE of the statistic. This conversation has now become pointless, I have no wish to trawl through each quote and search for which piece has been deliberately missed out to skew the context. You may continue it unilaterally if you wish.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If he is the PM he should act like one instead of being a preacher. He spends more time talking about morals, ethics, Islam and an Ottoman barbarian called Ertugrul than focusing on governance.

He has destroyed the economy and has completely failed to deliver on the expectations. He keeps waffling and talks about irrelevant issues to distract the nation.

You yourself have always bemoaned the character and morality of the people of Pakistan. That would suggest that there is a great need for the country re evaluate their ethics and culture, I think this is why IK is patiently trying to build this up from ground zero.

I take your point though that Pakistani youth have evolved beyond Imran's old fashioned values, and are now ready to move into a new and modern phase of equality and enlightenment. This could be good news, we can only wait for the next election and see where we are headed.

 

[Robert]

Rather than asking women responsible for not getting raped, how about the radical idea that men stop raping women?

 

[Robert]

ITs simply down to a case of more opportunity, on streets, in bars, clubs, work places, gyms etc. It doesnt mean Brits are more likely, just less places in public for women to be assualted in Pakistan.

Most rape victims are raped by a man they they know.

 

[Mamoon]

You yourself have always bemoaned the character and morality of the people of Pakistan. That would suggest that there is a great need for the country re evaluate their ethics and culture, I think this is why IK is patiently trying to build this up from ground zero.

I take your point though that Pakistani youth have evolved beyond Imran's old fashioned values, and are now ready to move into a new and modern phase of equality and enlightenment. This could be good news, we can only wait for the next election and see where we are headed.

Imran, in spite of being the PM, is the last person in Pakistan who has the credibility to build the character of the country in terms of talking about decency, family values, Islam etc.

He himself knows nothing about these virtues.

Instead of trying to give sermons that no one is taking seriously, Imran should simply be honest and state that the youth of Pakistan should look at the lifestyle of a young Imran Khan and do the complete opposite.

Then again, Imran’s has not covered himself in glory in his old age either, with the way he married two women with grown up children. It is not against Islam but it is not deemed appropriate in Pakistani culture, and no decent, respectful Pakistani man will do something like this.

Either way, Imran will not be taken seriously over this stuff. He is fighting a lost battle here. Every time he opens his mouth about these issues, it backfires.

His recent apology for rapists is just the latest goof-up in an ever growing list, so if he had any intelligence and common sense left, he would give up this nonsense and simply focus on governance issues.

The people of Pakistan did not vote for him to sit in the PM office and give lectures on morality, family values, Islam, and cheerlead for some fictional Turkish drama.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Most rape victims are raped by a man they they know.

And the rest by a man they did not know. So at least this will reduce the second type of assault.