Pahalgam: Options for Pakistan?

[JaDed]

Can I ask you since you were the one who initiated this media commentary, why would (according to you) NYT hate India since the 1970?

Their biased commentary just like their pro-Israel bias, they have an anti- India bias.. it does make sense why they preferred to have express tribune in Pakistan as well.

 

[chinaman00]

I cater to Reuters for now, morningbrew being another.
But I don’t take an opinion piece of NYT, they have been anti India since 1970s

When you have no facts on your side, the whole world seems against you.

I got few skills under my belt but sadly, schizophrenia isn’t one of them.

 

[JaDed]

When you have no facts on your side, the whole world seems against you.

I got few skills under my belt but sadly, schizophrenia isn’t one of them.

Facts are not opinions but whatever floats your boat.

 

[Devadwal]

Airspace shut for Indians. This will impact their airline companies

Airspace was also shut after abrogation of article 370. Pakistan closed the trade also and guess what Pakistan faced huge loss compared to India

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Their biased commentary just like their pro-Israel bias, they have an anti- India bias.. it does make sense why they preferred to have express tribune in Pakistan as well.

Why would a US news outlet have an anti-India bias?

 

[Devadwal]

Why would a US news outlet have an anti-India bias?

 

[sweep_shot]

Why would a US news outlet have an anti-India bias?

These people have high entitlement.

They expect everyone to sing India's praise 24/7.

 

[Major]

Airspace was also shut after abrogation of article 370. Pakistan closed the trade also and guess what Pakistan faced huge loss compared to India

You do know the air route from the western hesmisphere makes up for the most air travels? And indian airlines have to access that airspace to crossover?

 

[Devadwal]

You do know the air route from the western hesmisphere makes up for the most air travels? And indian airlines have to access that airspace to crossover?

It will definitely costly for Indian Airlines but if you look at entire trade when comes to India - Pakistan , Pakistan loss will be huge compared to India .

India’s economy is significantly larger, with total goods trade at $430 billion compared to Pakistan’s $100 billion. India’s exports to Pakistan ($2.06 billion in 2018-19) represent only 0.6% of its total exports, and imports ($0.49 billion) are just 0.1% of total imports. The closure is a minor fraction of India’s overall trade, and it can redirect exports to other markets .

Pakistan relies heavily on India for key raw materials, especially for its textile and pharmaceutical industries. In 2023, Pakistan imported $523 million worth of goods from India, primarily chemicals, pharmaceuticals, cotton, and sugar.

 

[Major]

It will definitely costly for Indian Airlines but if you look at entire trade when comes to India - Pakistan , Pakistan loss will be huge compared to India .

India’s economy is significantly larger, with total goods trade at $430 billion compared to Pakistan’s $100 billion. India’s exports to Pakistan ($2.06 billion in 2018-19) represent only 0.6% of its total exports, and imports ($0.49 billion) are just 0.1% of total imports. The closure is a minor fraction of India’s overall trade, and it can redirect exports to other markets .

Pakistan relies heavily on India for key raw materials, especially for its textile and pharmaceutical industries. In 2023, Pakistan imported $523 million worth of goods from India, primarily chemicals, pharmaceuticals, cotton, and sugar.

You know you have hit the nail on an indian head when they start responding with aggregate instead of focussing on whats being discussed.

At the end of the day, with no curry munchers flying over our airspace, Indians will ahve to pay extra to airlines and airlines have to bare extra fuel cost.

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan will lose about $100 million in revenue from overflight fees by shutting down their airspace. This is a country that loves to chop off its own limbs to prove a point.

 

[Major]

Pakistan will lose about $100 million in revenue from overflight fees by shutting down their airspace. This is a country that loves to chop off its own limbs to prove a point.

funny how Indians are desperate to use our airspace while also wanting to ban any interaction with us.

As long as Indian has to pay extra for ticket prices and Indians companies have to use more fuel, we are happy.

Ever since Indians have been banned from our airspace, the curry smell has vanished over here in Pakistan

 

[Devadwal]

You know you have hit the nail on an indian head when they start responding with aggregate instead of focussing on whats being discussed.

At the end of the day, with no curry munchers flying over our airspace, Indians will ahve to pay extra to airlines and airlines have to bare extra fuel cost.

I already showed the reality with actual number. India can afford the loss but Pakistan can't.

This was your minister statement but india ignored that.

Weiterleitungshinweis

 

[Major]

I already showed the reality with actual number. India can afford the loss but Pakistan can't.

This was your minister statement but india ignored that.

Weiterleitungshinweis

Thanks for admitting India is facing losses from this.

 

[Devadwal]

funny how Indians are desperate to use our airspace while also wanting to ban any interaction with us.

As long as Indian has to pay extra for ticket prices and Indians companies have to use more fuel, we are happy.

Ever since Indians have been banned from our airspace, the curry smell has vanished over here in Pakistan

Funny how Pakistan closed the entire trade with india after 2019 but Despite trade bans, Pakistan has allowed the import of life-saving medicines from India in several instances. This has happened even when bilateral trade and diplomatic ties were suspended. For example, in 2019, Pakistan lifted the ban on imports of life-saving drugs from India in response to the revocation of special status of Jammu and Kashmir. In 2020, Pakistan also lifted a ban on importing medicines and raw materials from India.

 

[Major]

Funny how Pakistan closed the entire trade with india after 2019 but Despite trade bans, Pakistan has allowed the import of life-saving medicines from India in several instances. This has happened even when bilateral trade and diplomatic ties were suspended. For example, in 2019, Pakistan lifted the ban on imports of life-saving drugs from India in response to the revocation of special status of Jammu and Kashmir. In 2020, Pakistan also lifted a ban on importing medicines and raw materials from India.

so India will trade with us if we throw them money like dogs........

Money will always be greater value for Indians than their lives.

 

[Devadwal]

so India will trade with us if we throw them money like dogs........

Money will always be greater value for Indians than their lives.

Pakistan despite trade ban begged for india to export life saving drug and we are not like you who stopped the life saving medicine.

 

[Major]

Pakistan despite trade ban begged for india to export life saving drug and we are not like you who stopped the life saving medicine.

and yet for a few dollars you guys happily obliged serving us. Thank you, now deal with the damage we guys do to you.

 

[Devadwal]

and yet for a few dollars you guys happily obliged serving us. Thank you, now deal with the damage we guys do to you.

As I said we are not like you. These are the Pakistan peoples who are in the India for medical treatment. They want to stay here untill full recovery and I already post my view that india should not deport these innocent people's untill they fully recovered.

 

[sweep_shot]

Great job from Pakistan. They closed the airspace for Indian planes.

Pakistan airspace closure to hit Indian carriers as flight durations, fuel burn, cost for west-bound flights set to jump​

The last time Pakistan closed its airspace for an extended period — in 2019 following the Balakot airstrikes — Indian airlines lost around Rs 700 crore due to higher fuel expenses and operational complications that came with longer routes many of their flights were forced to take.​

Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/b...-indian-carriers-durations-fuel-cost-9963891/.

 

[Major]

As I said we are not like you. These are the Pakistan peoples who are in the India for medical treatment. They want to stay here untill full recovery and I already post my view that india should not deport these innocent people's untill they fully recovered.


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start up pakistani is your source?
the most unreliable page.

 

[Major]

Great job from Pakistan. They closed the airspace for Indian planes.

Pakistan airspace closure to hit Indian carriers as flight durations, fuel burn, cost for west-bound flights set to jump​

The last time Pakistan closed its airspace for an extended period — in 2019 following the Balakot airstrikes — Indian airlines lost around Rs 700 crore due to higher fuel expenses and operational complications that came with longer routes many of their flights were forced to take.​

Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/b...-indian-carriers-durations-fuel-cost-9963891/.

Nice,

 

[Devadwal]

start up pakistani is your source?
the most unreliable page.

For you everything fake when it doesn't suit your agenda.

 

[deep82]

Two beggars hitting a rich person car and dancing with joy

Just an analogy for two posters chest thumping.

 

[Devadwal]

Great job from Pakistan. They closed the airspace for Indian planes.

Pakistan airspace closure to hit Indian carriers as flight durations, fuel burn, cost for west-bound flights set to jump​

The last time Pakistan closed its airspace for an extended period — in 2019 following the Balakot airstrikes — Indian airlines lost around Rs 700 crore due to higher fuel expenses and operational complications that came with longer routes many of their flights were forced to take.​

Source: https://indianexpress.com/article/business/aviation/pakistan-airspace-closure-hit-indian-carriers-durations-fuel-cost-9963891/.

Pakistan lost an estimated Rs 3,886.53 crore (approximately $460 million) in trade when India closed the Attari wagah border.

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[LordJames]

Pakistan Airspace Closure & Impact on India

Impact of Pakistan Airspace Closure on Indian Airlines

Pakistan closes its airspace to all Indian aircraft, a significant development that has disrupted numerous international flights.

www.airwaysmag.com

• Flights from Delhi to Baku and Tbilisi are experiencing duration increases of approximately 90 minutes.
• The Delhi-Almaty service is being cancelled entirely.
• Flights to the UAE from North India require additional fuel to account for longer flying times.

When Pakistan closed its airspace following the Pulwama terror attack in 2019, Indian carriers lost over ₹540 crore between February 26 and July 2, 2019. During that period:

• AI alone incurred losses of ₹491 crore
• SG lost ₹30.73 crore
• 6E lost ₹25.1 crore
• GoAir lost ₹2.1 crore

The closure of Pakistani airspace to Indian airlines represents a significant operational and financial challenge for Indian carriers, particularly for those operating long-haul flights to Europe, North America, and the Middle East. With forced route diversions adding hours to flight times and substantially increasing fuel consumption, airlines face mounting costs that will likely be passed on to consumers through higher fares.

 

[chinaman00]

Facts are not opinions but whatever floats your boat.

My boat is floating in a sea of well established facts.

Thank you.

 

[HalBass9]

Pakistan Airspace Closure & Impact on India

Impact of Pakistan Airspace Closure on Indian Airlines

Pakistan closes its airspace to all Indian aircraft, a significant development that has disrupted numerous international flights.

www.airwaysmag.com

• Flights from Delhi to Baku and Tbilisi are experiencing duration increases of approximately 90 minutes.
• The Delhi-Almaty service is being cancelled entirely.
• Flights to the UAE from North India require additional fuel to account for longer flying times.

When Pakistan closed its airspace following the Pulwama terror attack in 2019, Indian carriers lost over ₹540 crore between February 26 and July 2, 2019. During that period:

• AI alone incurred losses of ₹491 crore
• SG lost ₹30.73 crore
• 6E lost ₹25.1 crore
• GoAir lost ₹2.1 crore

The closure of Pakistani airspace to Indian airlines represents a significant operational and financial challenge for Indian carriers, particularly for those operating long-haul flights to Europe, North America, and the Middle East. With forced route diversions adding hours to flight times and substantially increasing fuel consumption, airlines face mounting costs that will likely be passed on to consumers through higher fares.

One thing’s clear, when push comes to shove, many Indians seem to love their money just a bit more than their nationalism.

Let’s see how that balance holds up when principles and profits collide.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Modhi was never interested in peace. "PAKISTAN" is used to fuel up his Agenda amongst his HINDUTWA brigade.

 

[straighttalk]

You know you have hit the nail on an indian head when they start responding with aggregate instead of focussing on whats being discussed.

At the end of the day, with no curry munchers flying over our airspace, Indians will ahve to pay extra to airlines and airlines have to bare extra fuel cost.

Lol...we stop the water you make us pay more for tickets..like for like .*** for tat

 

[pakistani pride]

I think you are right. India has more to lose at the moment. Many Indians are seeing larger economy as a strength but in this situation it is a weakness. They can't afford to spook foreign investors and companies who have set up shop.

My thoughts are they will try a Trump style approach to squeeze Pakistan the way America is trying it with China i.e say to Arabs, US, Russia if you want to do business with us you can't do it with them. Whether it is successful or not is up for debate but it seems more likely than all out war.

Lets hope for u it does not turn out to be a la Trump, which will be a massive failure.

 

[LordJames]

Note to Indian Posters:

Pakistan, by many indicators, is a state under immense economic strain, often labeled as a failed or near-bankrupt nation. Given the stark economic disparity with India, Pakistan lacks the capacity to sustain a prolonged conventional war. This imbalance necessitates that any response from Pakistan to Indian military adventurism would likely be asymmetric, irregular, and disproportionate—designed specifically to inflict pain on India’s society and economy.

India, while unable to completely halt water flows to Pakistan due to international agreements and geopolitical constraints, faces a different kind of vulnerability. Any perceived tampering with water resources on a significant scale risks triggering a conflict that, for Pakistan, would be one of survival. In such a scenario, again, Pakistan’s response would be irregular and unpredictable.

There is no viable future where India occupies Pakistan or any part of it and simply moves on. The circumstances of East Pakistan in 1971 were unique: geographically detached and politically isolated. Today’s Pakistan is a contiguous, deeply militarized, and ideologically entrenched nation. Kargil and East Pakistan were exceptions, not precedents.

The socioeconomic conditions in Pakistan—marked by power outages and institutional decay—have conditioned its population to hardship. A war with India, tragic as it would be, would not drastically alter daily life for many Pakistanis but would instead unify them under the banner of resistance. Historically, the people of the region, including those from the tribal belts of Afghanistan and Pakistan, have withstood prolonged instability. Meanwhile, India’s tech-driven, urban economy—call centers, IT hubs, stock markets—is far more sensitive to disruption. In a kinetic conflict, it would be India’s economic engine that would suffer the first major blows.

High-tech weaponry, like those used by Israel, have shown their limitations in asymmetric conflicts, as evidenced by the ongoing Palestinian resistance. Similar outcomes can be anticipated in South Asia. The United States or Europe are unlikely to commit troops to defend Indian interests in a South Asian conflict, especially given racial and geopolitical realities. India would likely have to bear the brunt alone. Nobody is coming or putting boots on the grounds for "brown Indians", not happening! Even Israel...

Should Pakistan fracture under the weight of war, its population may scatter into the broader Islamic world, surviving to regroup or reinvent. But if India faces internal fragmentation, the implications would be catastrophic. Unlike Pakistan’s ideological exportability, Hindutva and Indian nationalism are tethered to land and economy—both of which are deeply vulnerable to war.

My roots lie in a region where resilience is second nature. We still eat dry bread with stale water, and even in my old age, I can fall asleep on a dusty mosque carpet and wake up refreshed—no discomfort, no complaints. If I were to lose my Mercedes tomorrow, it wouldn't change the rhythm of my life.

This spirit of endurance runs deep across Pakistan. Millions can survive with the bare minimum—sleeping in mosques, eating what little they have—without breaking their will. Hardship is not new to them; it’s their way of life, long embraced.

Contrast this with India, where the backbone of Hindutva is the aspiring middle class, fueled by economic stability and material progress. Should the economy stumble—let alone collapse—that very class, which lends strength to the ideology, may not have the resilience to endure the fallout. Ideology cannot fill stomachs or keep lights on.

That is why I firmly believe: if ever a true war—one not just of arms but of ideology—erupts between Islam and Hinduism, it is the latter that will not survive.

Once the first shot is fired, the illusion of control dissipates. The Pakistani military’s grip on its population may weaken, unleashing dynamics that no side can predict or control. And what follows would not be a traditional war, but a protracted, chaotic, and destabilizing confrontation.

So yes—vent frustrations on forums, express anger on social media, but understand this: the moment words turn into bullets, the unraveling of India begins—not Pakistan’s.

And I thank PakPassion for providing a forum to vent against Pakistan to Hindutva because bravado aside, when things get real

You know that.

And I know that.

Pakistanis may have nothing to lose—but Indians do.

The clock is ticking...

So vent away, my friends but keep it real...If you are willing to destory yourself to get at Pakistan then...

 

[straighttalk]

One thing’s clear, when push comes to shove, many Indians seem to love their money just a bit more than their nationalism.

Let’s see how that balance holds up when principles and profits collide.

Given the infestation of terrorist..it's better not to get hijacked or shot down over your airspace...good riddance...love how you are winning in the court of public opinion ..carry on...and you guys were guaranteeing security for Kohli in Pakistan ..lmao ..a gutter country filled with brainwashed religious jihadis

 

[Major]

Lol...we stop the water you make us pay more for tickets..like for like .*** for tat

The water hasnt stopped. India hasnt build any mechanism to stop water.

its a naturally flowing body of water, its not like India has a button which they press and the water stops flowing lol.

What India did was just symbolic, nothing else.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Pakistanis may have nothing to lose

Speak for yourself.

We have families here. Homes. You ran away to western societies. We didn't.

your opinion is not needed.

 

[LordJames]

Speak for yourself.

We have families here. Homes. You ran away to western societies. We didn't.

your opinion is not needed.

If "11 years of your life" was not wasted in substandard Madrsah education and you were not suffering from a depressive cycle due to Intellectual inferiority you would have noticed the point I am making, dimwit!

 

[Farhan The Man]

Keep away from pakistan. And stay out.

We have everything to lose. You don't. Because you don't belong here.

Don't speak on our behalf next time.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Keep away from pakistan. And stay out.

We have everything to lose. You don't. Because you don't belong here.

Don't speak on our behalf next time.

In which Pakistan city do you live? Will you tell Or should I tell others

 

[LordJames]

Keep away from pakistan. And stay out.

We have everything to lose. You don't. Because you don't belong here.

Don't speak on our behalf next time.

1. I am intellectually deficient
2. I am scared for life
3. I am also a coward

Why don't you just let me hide.

Phull Sapport Sir! I have left everything for you, Sir...

 

[The Bald Eagle]

If "11 years of your life" was not wasted in substandard Madrsah education and you were not suffering from a depressive cycle due to Intellectual inferiority you would have noticed the point I am making, dimwit!

Yep madrassah boys in Dubai consider themselves to be in Pakistan

 

[Farhan The Man]

Lo jee. Memes again. When all else fails.

Glad you stopped speaking. On our behalf.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Yep madrassah boys in Dubai consider themselves to be in Pakistan

It's called corporate VPN.

Meet me in karachi.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

It's called corporate VPN.

Meet me in karachi.

Don't worry drop your address, will meet you and check out your madrassah too

 

[Farhan The Man]

Great minds discuss ideas; small minds discuss people.

Let's get back to subject at hand, shall we.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Nothing will happen, just some empty words then life will go on as normal.

Idiots on social media are getting riles up quite well though. Indians really are unique pieces.

 

[straighttalk]

The water hasnt stopped. India hasnt build any mechanism to stop water.

its a naturally flowing body of water, its not like India has a button which they press and the water stops flowing lol.

What India did was just symbolic, nothing else.

Dams can't be built in a day. It takes years. This is first step. India stands to gain a lot by diverting water that could be used for their own population. This gives us a cause to blame it on Pakistan army antics and get international support to build dams. Once dams are built as the treaty is suspended now.then water can be repurposed and used to punish pak sponsored terrorist.

For instance you can see how BD blames India for flood and drought ...although we don't do any shenanigans with them ..it's just nature..but here...blood flow will turn off water flow...not now .but 5 years from now unless two things happen


Pak attacks India and destroys the dams and cause a massive ecological crisis.

Pak does what India has always asked..habd over the terrorists and stop sending killers to kill civilians.

 

[JaDed]

You do know the air route from the western hesmisphere makes up for the most air travels? And indian airlines have to access that airspace to crossover?

Most of? It affects Delhi , Chandigarh, Lucknow bound western flights, the loss is mostly for flyers airlines will pass the cost to flyers.

 

[ahsan17]

Pakistan will lose about $100 million in revenue from overflight fees by shutting down their airspace. This is a country that loves to chop off its own limbs to prove a point.

You do realize the previous closure was for all airlines. This one is targeted to Indian airlines. It will be a fraction of that number.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Dams can't be built in a day. It takes years. This is first step. India stands to gain a lot by diverting water that could be used for their own population. This gives us a cause to blame it on Pakistan army antics and get international support to build dams. Once dams are built as the treaty is suspended now.then water can be repurposed and used to punish pak sponsored terrorist.

For instance you can see how BD blames India for flood and drought ...although we don't do any shenanigans with them ..it's just nature..but here...blood flow will turn off water flow...not now .but 5 years from now unless two things happen


Pak attacks India and destroys the dams and cause a massive ecological crisis.

Pak does what India has always asked..habd over the terrorists and stop sending killers to kill civilians.

Building that DAM is going to be a tall task, sure India can pull it off, possibly atleast 6 years more likely a lot longer with the Indian beaurocrats and pseudo sickular num nuts acting in between to delay the process as much as they can..

Once the Dam is built then Pakistan will be in deep trouble, if they do things like Pulwama, Mumbai, Pahalgam etc, India will just turn off the tap and it will be the end of Pakistan feel sorry for the poor ppl that will suffer in between who has no stake in the matter.

If Indians do shut off the tap, then Pakistan will have to either bend over for the Indians or go for an all out war. Highly doubt they will go for an all out confrontation as Pakistan will not exist after such a war, India will survive but heavily damaged and would set them back possibly a 100 years.....

 

[Romali_rotti]

Most of? It affects Delhi , Chandigarh, Lucknow bound western flights, the loss is mostly for flyers airlines will pass the cost to flyers.

Correct only parts of North India will be affected, will be huge inconvenience though...

All the sea routes remain intact so won't affect the Indian economy much...

 

[straighttalk]

@straighttalk acts like he is the spokesperson for government of India.

These guys truly live in an alternative reality.

Which is it? Sometimes you call India govt delusional..sometimes our media..which are stupid I admit and then you say I'm delusional for not towing govt line

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT PAHALGAM AND OPTIONS FOR PAKISTAN

STOP DISUCSSING PERSONAL STUFF HERE...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Modhi was never interested in peace. "PAKISTAN" is used to fuel up his Agenda amongst his HINDUTWA brigade.

Unfortunately this is why this terror attack suits the BJP agenda far more than it suits Pakistan.

 

[LordJames]

@Farhan The Man

I logged off to find the right words to say this sincerely.

I genuinely believe your behavior could take a toll on your mental health—if it hasn’t already. If the signs ever show, I hope you remember that a stranger on the internet once tried to warn you.

Your beliefs or double life aren’t my concern. What matters is that I care enough to urge you—please, get help.

I won’t bring this up again or derail any future conversations.

Mock me if you must. I’ve said what I came to say.

Take care.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Glad you got it off your chest.

Now let's conform to mod's polite request.

STOP DISUCSSING PERSONAL STUFF HERE...

 

[straighttalk]

Unfortunately this is why this terror attack suits the BJP agenda far more than it suits Pakistan.

Umm..why don't you use common sense. Look at modis popularity and Asif Munirs popularity. Modi is navigating tarrifs and China .with zero risk or challenge to his rule. Munir on the other hand .you know it far better than me. Who gains by uniting the country against a common enemy and looting more money.

For once please I beg you all Pakistani posters..just think and use your grey cells...instead of just parroting what you hear in the media.

No 9/11 26/11 10/7 and countless attacks in India are not false flag attacks...no country kills their own and at least for India what do they achieve after killing..we don't even destroy Pakistan..so please use your common sense just for once.

 

[LordJames]

The Government of Pakistan (Army) and its leader (Asim Munir) are so incompetent, its unbelievable. Instead of straightaway issuing a statement of offering condolence (to India), offering solidarity and joint investigation etc, the national narrative shaped by the stupid and dumb Army generals is that:

1. Its a false flag operation
2. We are not scared
3. Our Weapons will wreck destruction on India

1,2 & 3 may be true but that's not how diplomacy works on an International stage.

For 70+ years, Pakistan has put monkeys (stupid Generals) in charge of its nation so shall it reap. Even after losing East Pakistan as a self-inflicted goal these dumb asses have not learned the lesson.

It doesn't matter how India reacts to Diplomatic overtures but Pakistan needs to get onto Diplomatic front foot and then also match the steps on the escalation ladder (kinetic or otherwise).

Idiots leading a nation of 250+ million.

 

[Greenstorm]

Building that DAM is going to be a tall task, sure India can pull it off, possibly atleast 6 years more likely a lot longer with the Indian beaurocrats and pseudo sickular num nuts acting in between to delay the process as much as they can..

Once the Dam is built then Pakistan will be in deep trouble, if they do things like Pulwama, Mumbai, Pahalgam etc, India will just turn off the tap and it will be the end of Pakistan feel sorry for the poor ppl that will suffer in between who has no stake in the matter.

If Indians do shut off the tap, then Pakistan will have to either bend over for the Indians or go for an all out war. Highly doubt they will go for an all out confrontation as Pakistan will not exist after such a war, India will survive but heavily damaged and would set them back possibly a 100 years.....

And then the bollywood movie will end with lead actor sipping chai in Pindi.

 

[Greenstorm]

The Government of Pakistan (Army) and its leader (Asim Munir) are so incompetent, its unbelievable. Instead of straightaway issuing a statement of offering condolence (to India), offering solidarity and joint investigation etc, the national narrative shaped by the stupid and dumb Army generals is that:

1. Its a false flag operation
2. We are not scared
3. Our Weapons will wreck destruction on India

1,2 & 3 may be true but that's not how diplomacy works on an International stage.

For 70+ years, Pakistan has put monkeys (stupid Generals) in charge of its nation so shall it reap. Even after losing East Pakistan as a self-inflicted goal these dumb asses have not learned the lesson.

It doesn't matter how India reacts to Diplomatic overtures but Pakistan needs to get onto Diplomatic front foot and then also match the steps on the escalation ladder (kinetic or otherwise).

Idiots leading a nation of 250+ million.

Our conduct and response was a lot better in 2019 under Imran Khan. Any civilian leadership other than Indian fraands of N league can deal with this situation a lot better than generals.

 

[Greenstorm]

Umm..why don't you use common sense. Look at modis popularity and Asif Munirs popularity. Modi is navigating tarrifs and China .with zero risk or challenge to his rule. Munir on the other hand .you know it far better than me. Who gains by uniting the country against a common enemy and looting more money.

For once please I beg you all Pakistani posters..just think and use your grey cells...instead of just parroting what you hear in the media.

No 9/11 26/11 10/7 and countless attacks in India are not false flag attacks...no country kills their own and at least for India what do they achieve after killing..we don't even destroy Pakistan..so please use your common sense just for once.

If that is the case then India should not have played in Munir's hands. They should have shown restraint instead of ratcheting up hostilities. Now Pakistanis have no option but to side with military. Do you expect Pakistanis to welcome you with flowers when Abhinandans will come to bomb us ?

Ofcourse, all this is based on assumption that Pakistan was involved in this attack which maybe true or not.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The Government of Pakistan (Army) and its leader (Asim Munir) are so incompetent, its unbelievable. Instead of straightaway issuing a statement of offering condolence (to India), offering solidarity and joint investigation etc, the national narrative shaped by the stupid and dumb Army generals is that:

1. Its a false flag operation
2. We are not scared
3. Our Weapons will wreck destruction on India

1,2 & 3 may be true but that's not how diplomacy works on an International stage.

For 70+ years, Pakistan has put monkeys (stupid Generals) in charge of its nation so shall it reap. Even after losing East Pakistan as a self-inflicted goal these dumb asses have not learned the lesson.

It doesn't matter how India reacts to Diplomatic overtures but Pakistan needs to get onto Diplomatic front foot and then also match the steps on the escalation ladder (kinetic or otherwise).

Idiots leading a nation of 250+ million.

False flag is honestly a very bad argument to make, especially from a country that has lost so much to terrorism itself and also makes accusations that India supports terrorism in Pakistan.

Indians can turn around and call BLA attack as false flag too for example.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Unfortunately this is why this terror attack suits the BJP agenda far more than it suits Pakistan.

Even if we believe in the conspiracy theory of Modi’s agenda in the terror attack, Terrorists backed by Pakistan played their crucial part in attacking innocent civilians and making a case for BJP to further their agenda of taking over POK.

If Pak Generals want, they can put an end to the likes of Lashkars and countless other outfits operating in their land. But they firmly believe these groups are useful idiots who keep the Kashmir issue alive by doing such terrible acts. As long as Kashmir burns, Pak army generals can hold onto more power.

 

[Lonewarrior]

india shouldnt play in the hands of pak establishment .

 

[ElRaja]

if twitter is to be believed there have been material clashes on the LoC tonight, although twitter is hard to believe at the best of times.

 

[straighttalk]

If that is the case then India should not have played in Munir's hands. They should have shown restraint instead of ratcheting up hostilities. Now Pakistanis have no option but to side with military. Do you expect Pakistanis to welcome you with flowers when Abhinandans will come to bomb us ?

Ofcourse, all this is based on assumption that Pakistan was involved in this attack which maybe true or not.

You are right. India is playing in Munirs hand..emotions are high..modis hands are tied..he can't let it go as he will be booted out of there is no symbolic attack....the real action will be the water...and the military strike will be limited hopefully with Pakistan retaliating...that's best case for India...gets the water and doesn't unite the country behind Munir..whereas Munir will try to escalate it to become more popular. However this is all conjecture at this point as we don't know what the future holds

 

[Greenstorm]

Its reported that Indian fraand Nawaz Shareef ran back to Pakistan. Him and his daughter haven't uttered a word on this issue. What is this corrupt family cooking now ?

 

[Hitman]

Pakistan Scrambles To Secure Drug Supplies After India Trade Halt: Report​

Pakistani health authorities have initiated "emergency preparedness" measures to secure pharmaceutical supplies in response to the suspension of trade ties with India, according to a media report on Saturday.

In response to the India's decision to suspend the Indus Water Treaty following the Pahalgam attack, Islamabad on Thursday suspended all trade with New Delhi among other moves.

Geo News reported that India trade halt triggered "urgent measures to secure" pharmaceutical needs in Pakistan and health authorities have initiated "emergency preparedness" measures to secure the supplies.

The Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) has confirmed that while there has been no formal notification regarding the ban's impact on the pharmaceutical sector, contingency plans are already in place, it said.

"Following the 2019 crisis, we had started preparing for such contingencies. We are now actively looking at alternative avenues to meet our pharmaceutical needs," the report quoted a senior DRAP official as saying.

Currently, Pakistan relies on India for 30% to 40% of its pharmaceutical raw materials, including Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (API) and various advanced therapeutic products.

With this supply chain distributed, DRAP is seeking alternative sources from China, Russia, and several European countries.

The agency aims to ensure the continuous availability of essential medical supplies, including anti-rabies vaccines, anti-snake venom, cancer therapies, monoclonal antibodies, and other critical biological products.

While DRAP's preparedness offers some reassurance, industry insiders and health experts have warned of a looming challenge if immediate action is not taken to manage the fallout of the trade suspension.

"Pakistan imports some 30%-40% of its pharmaceutical raw material from India. We also import finished products, most importantly, anti-cancer therapies, biological products, vaccines, and sera, especially anti-rabies vaccine and anti-snake venom from India," a senior official from the Ministry of National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination said, requesting anonymity.

The Ministry of Health has yet to receive an official directive clarifying the status of pharmaceutical imports, despite the government's blanket announcement suspending all trade with India.

The pharmaceutical sector fears that disruption in the supply chain could lead to critical shortages.

The situation is further complicated by the existence of a robust black market, where unregistered and unapproved medicines are smuggled into Pakistan through Afghanistan, Iran, Dubai, and even across the eastern border, the report said.

While these channels fill gaps left by legal imports, they offer no guarantee of quality or consistent supply.

A delegation of pharmaceutical industry leaders travelled to Islamabad on Thursday to appeal for an exemption from the trade ban.

"We had meetings with DRAP and Ministry of Commerce officials to discuss the suspension of trade ties. We urged them to exempt the pharmaceutical sector from the ban, as there are many life-saving products whose raw materials come exclusively from India," said Tauqeer-ul-Haq, Chairman of the Pakistan Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association (PPMA).

The PPMA delegation also approached the Special Investment Facilitation Council (SIFC), arguing that pharmaceutical and health-related trade must be excluded from the ban to protect patients' lives.

However, some experts see the current crisis as a wake-up call for long-term investment in local production of APIs, vaccines, and biologicals.

"This crisis could be a turning point for Pakistan," said Zafar Iqbal, a senior public health expert.

Terrorists opened fire in Jammu and Kashmir's Pahalgam on Tuesday, killing 26 people, mostly tourists, in the deadliest attack in the Valley since the Pulwama strike in 2019. The Resistance Front (TRF), a proxy of the banned Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), claimed responsibility for the attack.
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[uppercut]

The Gazwa-e-hind option ...

@Rajdeep
@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Aang_The_last_airbender
@Mesozoic
@Devadwal

 

[Hitman]

The Gazwa-e-hind option ...

@Rajdeep
@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Aang_The_last_airbender
@Mesozoic
@Devadwal

Just thinking about it me makes me shiver. My countrymen don't even know the doom that awaits our country.

 

[Romali_rotti]

The Gazwa-e-hind option ...

@Rajdeep
@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Aang_The_last_airbender
@Mesozoic
@Devadwal

The Arab God will be with the converts, time to take out the kaffirs from Bharat...

End of Hindus now not far away.

 

[Devadwal]

Pakistan Scrambles To Secure Drug Supplies After India Trade Halt: Report​

Pakistani health authorities have initiated "emergency preparedness" measures to secure pharmaceutical supplies in response to the suspension of trade ties with India, according to a media report on Saturday.

In response to the India's decision to suspend the Indus Water Treaty following the Pahalgam attack, Islamabad on Thursday suspended all trade with New Delhi among other moves.

Geo News reported that India trade halt triggered "urgent measures to secure" pharmaceutical needs in Pakistan and health authorities have initiated "emergency preparedness" measures to secure the supplies.

The Drug Regulatory Authority of Pakistan (DRAP) has confirmed that while there has been no formal notification regarding the ban's impact on the pharmaceutical sector, contingency plans are already in place, it said.

"Following the 2019 crisis, we had started preparing for such contingencies. We are now actively looking at alternative avenues to meet our pharmaceutical needs," the report quoted a senior DRAP official as saying.

Currently, Pakistan relies on India for 30% to 40% of its pharmaceutical raw materials, including Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (API) and various advanced therapeutic products.

With this supply chain distributed, DRAP is seeking alternative sources from China, Russia, and several European countries.

The agency aims to ensure the continuous availability of essential medical supplies, including anti-rabies vaccines, anti-snake venom, cancer therapies, monoclonal antibodies, and other critical biological products.

While DRAP's preparedness offers some reassurance, industry insiders and health experts have warned of a looming challenge if immediate action is not taken to manage the fallout of the trade suspension.

"Pakistan imports some 30%-40% of its pharmaceutical raw material from India. We also import finished products, most importantly, anti-cancer therapies, biological products, vaccines, and sera, especially anti-rabies vaccine and anti-snake venom from India," a senior official from the Ministry of National Health Services, Regulations and Coordination said, requesting anonymity.

The Ministry of Health has yet to receive an official directive clarifying the status of pharmaceutical imports, despite the government's blanket announcement suspending all trade with India.

The pharmaceutical sector fears that disruption in the supply chain could lead to critical shortages.

The situation is further complicated by the existence of a robust black market, where unregistered and unapproved medicines are smuggled into Pakistan through Afghanistan, Iran, Dubai, and even across the eastern border, the report said.

While these channels fill gaps left by legal imports, they offer no guarantee of quality or consistent supply.

A delegation of pharmaceutical industry leaders travelled to Islamabad on Thursday to appeal for an exemption from the trade ban.

"We had meetings with DRAP and Ministry of Commerce officials to discuss the suspension of trade ties. We urged them to exempt the pharmaceutical sector from the ban, as there are many life-saving products whose raw materials come exclusively from India," said Tauqeer-ul-Haq, Chairman of the Pakistan Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association (PPMA).

The PPMA delegation also approached the Special Investment Facilitation Council (SIFC), arguing that pharmaceutical and health-related trade must be excluded from the ban to protect patients' lives.

However, some experts see the current crisis as a wake-up call for long-term investment in local production of APIs, vaccines, and biologicals.

"This crisis could be a turning point for Pakistan," said Zafar Iqbal, a senior public health expert.

Terrorists opened fire in Jammu and Kashmir's Pahalgam on Tuesday, killing 26 people, mostly tourists, in the deadliest attack in the Valley since the Pulwama strike in 2019. The Resistance Front (TRF), a proxy of the banned Pakistan-based Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), claimed responsibility for the attack.​

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Pakistan is heavily dependent on India for the pharmaceutical. when India revoked Article 370, Pakistan had stopped trade at that time but an exemption was given for pharmaceutical.

 

[Hitman]

Pakistan is heavily dependent on India for the pharmaceutical. when India revoked Article 370, Pakistan had stopped trade at that time but an exemption was given for pharmaceutical.

Yea, I remember that.

 

[Devadwal]

Yea, I remember that.

And more hilarious things is Pakistan imported goods from India, but not directly , through third countries, including the UAE with high cost

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Even if we believe in the conspiracy theory of Modi’s agenda in the terror attack, Terrorists backed by Pakistan played their crucial part in attacking innocent civilians and making a case for BJP to further their agenda of taking over POK.

If Pak Generals want, they can put an end to the likes of Lashkars and countless other outfits operating in their land. But they firmly believe these groups are useful idiots who keep the Kashmir issue alive by doing such terrible acts. As long as Kashmir burns, Pak army generals can hold onto more power.

Unfortunately there is no point in discussing this if you are presenting jingo bingo propaganda as facts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Umm..why don't you use common sense. Look at modis popularity and Asif Munirs popularity. Modi is navigating tarrifs and China .with zero risk or challenge to his rule. Munir on the other hand .you know it far better than me. Who gains by uniting the country against a common enemy and looting more money.

For once please I beg you all Pakistani posters..just think and use your grey cells...instead of just parroting what you hear in the media.

No 9/11 26/11 10/7 and countless attacks in India are not false flag attacks...no country kills their own and at least for India what do they achieve after killing..we don't even destroy Pakistan..so please use your common sense just for once.

The Pakistan establishment already controls the infrastructure to loot as much money as it wants from the Pakistan treasury, why would it need to open a new war front with India to invite international pressure for no reason? All this does is weaken the Pakistan economy which means progressively less and less resources to loot from.

India on the other hand loses nothing by creating bad relations. Your own posters constantly remind us of this, and even your sports and entertainment policy reflects this. Just look at cricket as an example.

 

[Mesozoic]

The Gazwa-e-hind option ...

@Rajdeep
@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Aang_The_last_airbender
@Mesozoic
@Devadwal

Poor guy has still not recovered from the trauma of 1971..

If I'm not wrong , his father fought in that war and may even have been among the 93k unfortunate ones , that ended up...you know.

 

[Devadwal]

The Gazwa-e-hind option ...

@Rajdeep
@Romali_rotti
@Hitman
@Aang_The_last_airbender
@Mesozoic
@Devadwal

Oh no .bro asked him to delayed it because in my family's we have two marrige on 29 April and 5 may .

Toda to enjoy karne do

 

[KingKhanWC]

Atm the best option seems to be, sit back and keep entertained by Indians attacks via Twitter, indian news , indian posters typing faster than they can eat and thinking Pakistan is now Sahara dessert.

I'm assuming Modi is waiting for a cloudy day so radar cannot detect fighter jets

 

[Major]

Its reported that Indian fraand Nawaz Shareef ran back to Pakistan. Him and his daughter haven't uttered a word on this issue. What is this corrupt family cooking now ?

Why will a cm make a statement on a national issue. And the pm already gave a statement that he is ready for an investigation on this by a neutral party